Re: Would adaptor: USB to IDE & SATA read linux-format?

From	David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject	Re: Would adaptor: USB to IDE & SATA read linux-format?
Date	2017-01-02 10:17 +0100
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On 30/12/16 19:45, Michael Black wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Dec 2016, David Brown wrote:
> 
>> On 24/12/16 18:46, Ryahow wrote:
>>> Since the device is obviously made for the Windows market,
>>> would it work, if it doesn't have a linux driver.
>>>
>>
>> These are "made for Windows" in the same way mice, keyboards, screens,
>> etc., are "made for Windows".  In other words, they are made to follow
>> the standards and unless they are designed by complete morons, they work
>> according to those standards.
>>
> But that can be ambiguous.  I look at things and wonder "are they saying
> it only works with Windows, or that they only will help if you use
> Windows".

It is often the case that vendors try to limit who they will help, or
claim that guarantees are invalid because of the system the owner uses.
 It is not just Linux they discriminate against - it is anything that is
outside their very limited knowledge.  Vendors have been known to argue
for guarantee invalidation of a computer because the user has installed
a new version of Windows themselves, or refused to help customers with
different peripherals, different language settings, or whatever they
think they can get away with.

> 
> In a lot of cases, it's simpler to limit who they will help.  When I got
> an external USR modem in 1996, the package said "compatible with WIndows
> and Mac" which left a certain doubt, though not much since I knew
> better. Many an ISP would talk only in terms of Windows support, when
> there was nothing there that disallowed Linux.
> 

Fortunately, 1996 is a long time in the past.

> 
> But the real confusion comes because there was a wave of devices that
> were "dumb" and used the main CPU for its smarts, so running on some
> other software was a problem.  ALl those Winmodems and there were even
> Winprinters, they didn't work with Linux without a lot of fuss, and it
> was up to some guy to make the effort to figure things out before things
> would run.
> 
> I need a wifi adapter, and it's not obvious from the store's webpage
> which are useable with Linux.  SOme are, but I have to look further,
> since the assumption is that "everyone" runs Windows, and no sense
> complicating things by pointing out which run on Linux.

I most cases, these things run fine in Linux.  Linux hardware support is
a great deal better than Windows for off-the-shelf hardware, with the
exception of the latest and greatest graphics cards (you probably need
to install the binary blob drivers to get the most out of them).

> 
>   Michael
> 
>> Every USB to SATA (and the one USB to IDE) that I have seen work fine on
>> Linux, including rather old systems.  USB "mass storage class" is
>> completely standard.
>>
>>
>>

Thread

Would adaptor: USB to IDE & SATA read linux-format? "Ryahow" <dog@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 19:46 +0200
  Re: Would adaptor: USB to IDE & SATA read linux-format? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-12-24 10:33 -0800
  Re: Would adaptor: USB to IDE & SATA read linux-format? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-12-26 01:26 +0100
  Re: Would adaptor: USB to IDE & SATA read linux-format? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-27 09:14 +0100
    Re: Would adaptor: USB to IDE & SATA read linux-format? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2016-12-29 16:13 +0000
    Re: Would adaptor: USB to IDE & SATA read linux-format? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-12-30 13:45 -0500
      Re: Would adaptor: USB to IDE & SATA read linux-format? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-12-30 11:02 -0800
        Re: Would adaptor: USB to IDE & SATA read linux-format? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-12-30 16:09 -0500
          Re: Would adaptor: USB to IDE & SATA read linux-format? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-12-30 22:50 +0000
          Re: Would adaptor: USB to IDE & SATA read linux-format? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-12-30 23:02 +0000
          Re: Would adaptor: USB to IDE & SATA read linux-format? mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2016-12-31 20:55 +0000
      Re: Would adaptor: USB to IDE & SATA read linux-format? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-02 10:17 +0100
  Re: Would adaptor: USB to IDE & SATA read linux-format? lab.eas@gmail.com - 2017-02-21 08:33 -0800
    Re: Would adaptor: USB to IDE & SATA read linux-format? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2017-02-21 09:05 -0800
    GrabIt (was Re: Would adaptor: USB to IDE & SATA read linux-format?) ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2017-02-22 16:31 -0600
    Re: Would adaptor: USB to IDE & SATA read linux-format? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2017-04-20 01:14 -0300

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