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| First post | 2018-12-21 00:37 +0000 |
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The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-12-21 00:37 +0000
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2018-12-20 20:35 -0500
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-12-21 10:01 +0000
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-12-21 11:37 +0100
Google is the best calculator. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-12-21 09:01 -0800
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-21 07:40 -0600
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-12-21 06:41 -0800
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-21 10:27 -0600
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-12-21 20:41 +0000
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-12-21 15:02 +0000
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-12-21 20:43 +0000
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-12-22 00:33 +0000
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-12-22 00:44 +0000
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-12-22 00:50 +0000
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-12-21 20:33 +0000
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-12-21 12:42 -0800
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-26 07:12 -0600
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-12-26 13:55 +0000
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-26 09:08 -0600
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-12-26 16:16 +0000
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-26 11:12 -0600
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-26 11:18 -0600
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-12-26 17:23 +0000
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-26 11:36 -0600
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-26 11:40 -0600
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-12-26 15:57 -0500
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-27 07:47 -0600
All educated people agree that the Desktop Environment is what rocks the universe Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-12-21 08:13 -0800
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-12-26 15:56 -0500
Re: The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-12-27 07:17 -0500
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| From | "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> |
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| Date | 2018-12-21 00:37 +0000 |
| Subject | The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators |
| Message-ID | <pvhcjm02n8n@news1.newsguy.com> |
The absolute BEST and ULTIMATE calculator available anywhere on planet Earth is the GNU/Linux calc: https://sourceforge.net/projects/calc Calc is a command-line program for fast keyboard entry (none of that clunky GUI shit). Calc is comprehensive and powerful almost beyond belief. I use calc all the time (even though I never use ALL of it) and you should too. The calculators available for Microshit Winblows are a pathetic joke compared to GNU/Linux calc. (That's because Winblows is made for pussies whereas GNU/Linux is made for REAL MEN.) Hail Linux! Hail GNU and the FSF! Hail Stallman! Fuck Microshit and all the craven degenerates who support it!
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| From | DFS <nospam@dfs.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-20 20:35 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <BsXSD.78812$vH3.77646@fx36.iad> |
| In reply to | #481664 |
On 12/20/2018 7:37 PM, F. Russell wrote: > The absolute BEST and ULTIMATE calculator available anywhere > on planet Earth is the GNU/Linux calc: > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/calc calc isn't a Linux-only calculator. Quit lying. https://imgur.com/a/yy9rEdc > Calc is a command-line program for fast keyboard entry A GUI calculator where you can click and/or key in is better. > (none of that clunky GUI shit). User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) The hypocrite is at it again. > Calc is comprehensive and powerful almost beyond belief. It does look powerful. http://www.isthe.com/chongo/src/calc/builtin-function-list But it has a bunch of functions and functionality that have nothing to do with numerical calculations, thus it fails the "Unix philosophy" and you should be bashing it. > I use calc all the time (even though I never use ALL of it) > and you should too. > > The calculators available for Microshit Winblows are a pathetic > joke compared to GNU/Linux calc. AllerCalc Biromsoft Calculator calc (subject of this post) Calc Pro HD Calc4Win Calc98 CalcTape Calculator X8 Calculator^2 Calcute GraphCalc Graphing Calculator 3D JCalc Kalkules Kentsoft Full Screen Calculator Moffsoft FreeCalc MS Mathematics Naturplay Calculator rpCalc SFR Calculator Sicyon SpaceTime SpeedCrunch SpeQ Super Calculator SuperbCalc Wolfram Alpha and more are available, beyond those 27 options. A few of those offer Linux versions, but most are just for Windows. Using Windows, you quickly get used to having a big selection of the best software in the world. A large set of powerful, mostly free-of-cost calculators doesn't surprise me in the slightest - this is MS Windows we're talking about. Rules the world for 25+ years. GuhNoo/Linux fails again. > (That's because Winblows is > made for pussies whereas GNU/Linux is made for REAL MEN.) What OS and apps do you make a living with? Who takes care of you? We know who the real pussy is... > Hail Linux! > > Hail GNU and the FSF! > > Hail Stallman! > > Fuck Microshit and all the craven degenerates who support it! You, your family, your employer, and practically everyone you know or have ever met.
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| From | "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> |
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| Date | 2018-12-21 10:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pvidld035p@news1.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #481677 |
On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 20:35:29 -0500, DFS wrote: > > [snip puerile and uninformed drivel] > Considered response: <pvidde034b@news1.newsguy.com>
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| From | Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-21 11:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <87imzn6u8s.fsf@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #481664 |
"F. Russell" <fr@random.info> writes: > The absolute BEST and ULTIMATE calculator available anywhere > on planet Earth is the GNU/Linux calc: > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/calc > > Calc is a command-line program for fast keyboard entry (none of > that clunky GUI shit). > You're such a turd that you stilk dont realise most GUIS utilise the underlying programs you call "cli". And you can still use the keyboard in them. How can you be SO loud yet so uninformed. You're an idiot.
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
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| Date | 2018-12-21 09:01 -0800 |
| Subject | Google is the best calculator. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.21--9.01am.Seattle.2018> |
| In reply to | #481694 |
> > The Ultimate of Ultimate Calculators Google is the best calculator. Google "USD in Yuan" -> 6.91 Chinese Yuan
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-12-21 07:40 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <s4rp1et8gkstp6ogmt7ns0fqmqtr23k77n@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #481664 |
F. Russell wrote: >The absolute BEST and ULTIMATE calculator available anywhere >on planet Earth is the GNU/Linux calc: > >https://sourceforge.net/projects/calc > >Calc is a command-line program for fast keyboard entry (none of >that clunky GUI shit). Does it give the correct answer for sqrt(-1)? bc does not. A REAL MAN's calculators will. Lame-ass calculators report an "error". I'll use my REAL MAN calculator, my trusty HP48SX, thanks. -- "but when I noted JPG files could have EXIF data I was repeatedly told I was wrong, lying, an idiot, etc. Funny stuff." - some thing, lying shamelessly (but no one can quote it lying)
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| From | fr314159@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-12-21 06:41 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <c801bc0b-83e1-42d0-bee4-0340a90e84b4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #481703 |
On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 8:40:57 AM UTC-5, chrisv wrote: > > Does it give the correct answer for sqrt(-1)? > Calc handles complex argument for ANY function, with arbitrary precision as well. > > I'll use my REAL MAN calculator, my trusty HP48SX > How cute. You have to hold it in your hand. And it can't do arbitrary precision. And it can't be programmed with more than TWO lines of code. It does make a good paperweight, however.
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-12-21 10:27 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <v74q1eprentk0ikjov42k7rg2kq5bbjf9q@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #481713 |
fr314159@gmail.com wrote: > chrisv wrote: >> >> Does it give the correct answer for sqrt(-1)? > >Calc handles complex argument for ANY function, Nice. The ability to do seamless complex arithmetic was a Godsend, in some of my engineering classes. >> I'll use my REAL MAN calculator, my trusty HP48SX > >How cute. You have to hold it in your hand. That's a feature, not a bug. >And it can't do arbitrary precision. Who needs that? I believe the HP48 calculates with 15 digits of precision. Way plenty. >And it can't be programmed with more than TWO lines of code. Sure it can. It's a programmable calculator. 32kB RAM! >It does make a good paperweight, however. That too! 8)
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| From | Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-21 20:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <kecTD.79141$ck7.33617@fx02.am4> |
| In reply to | #481713 |
On 2018-12-21, fr314159@gmail.com <fr314159@gmail.com> wrote: > On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 8:40:57 AM UTC-5, chrisv wrote: > >> >> Does it give the correct answer for sqrt(-1)? >> > > Calc handles complex argument for ANY function, with arbitrary > precision as well. > >> >> I'll use my REAL MAN calculator, my trusty HP48SX >> > > How cute. You have to hold it in your hand. > > And it can't do arbitrary precision. > > And it can't be programmed with more than TWO lines of code. > > It does make a good paperweight, however. Hm, it's calculator, no? > > -- press any key to continue or any other to quit...
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-12-21 15:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <zpb0803ga.ay3@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #481703 |
chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> F. Russell wrote:
>
>>The absolute BEST and ULTIMATE calculator available anywhere
>>on planet Earth is the GNU/Linux calc:
>>
>>https://sourceforge.net/projects/calc
>>
>>Calc is a command-line program for fast keyboard entry (none of
>>that clunky GUI shit).
>
> Does it give the correct answer for sqrt(-1)?
anon@lowtide:~$ calc "sqrt(-1)"
1i
anon@lowtide:~$
> bc does not. A REAL
> MAN's calculators will. Lame-ass calculators report an "error".
>
> I'll use my REAL MAN calculator, my trusty HP48SX, thanks.
>
Can you use it in a script?
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| From | Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-21 20:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PfcTD.79235$ck7.4371@fx02.am4> |
| In reply to | #481714 |
On 2018-12-21, owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> F. Russell wrote:
>>
>>>The absolute BEST and ULTIMATE calculator available anywhere
>>>on planet Earth is the GNU/Linux calc:
>>>
>>>https://sourceforge.net/projects/calc
>>>
>>>Calc is a command-line program for fast keyboard entry (none of
>>>that clunky GUI shit).
>>
>> Does it give the correct answer for sqrt(-1)?
>
> anon@lowtide:~$ calc "sqrt(-1)"
> 1i
> anon@lowtide:~$
zsh: correct 'calc' to 'cal' [nyae]? n
The command 'calc' is provided by the following packages:
calc (2.12.5.0-1) from community
[ calc ]
>
>> bc does not. A REAL
>> MAN's calculators will. Lame-ass calculators report an "error".
>>
>> I'll use my REAL MAN calculator, my trusty HP48SX, thanks.
>>
>
> Can you use it in a script?
>
iIs there any reason to install calc?
--
press any key to continue or any other to quit...
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-12-22 00:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <a8bv0z0b3gag.3@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #481777 |
Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote: > On 2018-12-21, owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: >> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>> F. Russell wrote: >>> >>>>The absolute BEST and ULTIMATE calculator available anywhere >>>>on planet Earth is the GNU/Linux calc: >>>> >>>>https://sourceforge.net/projects/calc >>>> >>>>Calc is a command-line program for fast keyboard entry (none of >>>>that clunky GUI shit). >>> >>> Does it give the correct answer for sqrt(-1)? >> >> anon@lowtide:~$ calc "sqrt(-1)" >> 1i >> anon@lowtide:~$ > > zsh: correct 'calc' to 'cal' [nyae]? n > The command 'calc' is provided by the following packages: > calc (2.12.5.0-1) from community > [ calc ] > >> >>> bc does not. A REAL >>> MAN's calculators will. Lame-ass calculators report an "error". >>> >>> I'll use my REAL MAN calculator, my trusty HP48SX, thanks. >>> >> >> Can you use it in a script? >> > iIs there any reason to install calc? > I haven't played with it enough to know. bc has always worked fine for me in scripts, but calc seems to do more.
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| From | "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> |
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| Date | 2018-12-22 00:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pvk1e2018bt@news4.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #481801 |
On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 00:33:14 +0000, owl wrote: > > I haven't played with it enough to know. bc has always worked fine > for me in scripts, but calc seems to do more. > The least that you can do is compile the calc source and report any compiler warnings to the developers via their mailing list. http://www.isthe.com/chongo/tech/comp/calc/calc-tester.html Calc is actively developed and they welcome such information.
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-12-22 00:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9z0b803ga.y3@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #481803 |
F. Russell <fr@random.info> wrote: > On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 00:33:14 +0000, owl wrote: > >> >> I haven't played with it enough to know. bc has always worked fine >> for me in scripts, but calc seems to do more. >> > > The least that you can do is compile the calc source and report > any compiler warnings to the developers via their mailing list. > > http://www.isthe.com/chongo/tech/comp/calc/calc-tester.html > > Calc is actively developed and they welcome such information. > It's in the debian repos as apcalc and seems to work fine. I do plan to play with it though at some point.
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| From | Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-21 20:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <u6cTD.79096$ck7.62602@fx02.am4> |
| In reply to | #481703 |
On 2018-12-21, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: > F. Russell wrote: > >>The absolute BEST and ULTIMATE calculator available anywhere >>on planet Earth is the GNU/Linux calc: >> >>https://sourceforge.net/projects/calc >> >>Calc is a command-line program for fast keyboard entry (none of >>that clunky GUI shit). > > Does it give the correct answer for sqrt(-1)? bc does not. A REAL > MAN's calculators will. Lame-ass calculators report an "error". > > I'll use my REAL MAN calculator, my trusty HP48SX, thanks. What's correct answer? > -- press any key to continue or any other to quit...
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| From | fr314159@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-12-21 12:42 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <b95e3f66-7a27-4d46-a124-c6d3fd3c3419@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #481771 |
On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 3:33:33 PM UTC-5, Melzzzzz wrote: > > What's correct answer? > There are TWO correct answers.
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-12-26 07:12 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <g6v62etgvpgbs0rotmlr0fr5j9ptdqd6l1@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #481776 |
fr314159@gmail.com wrote: > Melzzzzz wrote: >> >> What's correct answer? Well, 'i', the square root of -1, of course. >There are TWO correct answers. You must mean two different ways, polar or rectangular, of describing the same thing. Matters not, as the mighty HP48SX works with either system. -- "If Freedom is so important to people in COLA, why not move to a more Free system?" - some thing, attacking the GPL and its supporters
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| From | "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> |
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| Date | 2018-12-26 13:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <q0017n02uod@news4.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #482024 |
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018 07:12:57 -0600, chrisv wrote: > >>There are TWO correct answers. > > You must mean two different ways, polar or rectangular, of describing > the same thing. No. There are TWO separate and distinct answers. The square root of -1 is essentially the root of a polynomial equation: x^2 + 1 = 0 According to the fundamental theorem of algebra: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_theorem_of_algebra Every polynomial of degree N has N roots. This equation is degree 2 and therefor has two roots: i, -i Similarly, every cube root has THREE answers. So what are the three cube roots of -1 ? Write a formula that will express the N N-th roots of -1.
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-12-26 09:08 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <e6672e1sde3psikvnc8ao1bgqif4543rce@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #482028 |
F. Russell wrote: > chrisv wrote: >> >>>There are TWO correct answers. >> >> You must mean two different ways, polar or rectangular, of describing >> the same thing. > >No. There are TWO separate and distinct answers. > >The square root of -1 is essentially the root of a polynomial >equation: > >x^2 + 1 = 0 > >According to the fundamental theorem of algebra: > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_theorem_of_algebra > >Every polynomial of degree N has N roots. This equation >is degree 2 and therefor has two roots: > >i, -i Good point. >Similarly, every cube root has THREE answers. So >what are the three cube roots of -1 ? Good question. -- 'The recurring pattern is that the killfile "announcer" allegedly performs his act only after they've very obviously lost a debate on its merits: the act of plonking is a reliable sign of an illogical and a sore loser.' - lying asshole "-hh", lying shamelessly
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| From | "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> |
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| Date | 2018-12-26 16:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <q009gc0au5@news2.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #482034 |
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018 09:08:26 -0600, chrisv wrote: > >> >>what are the three cube roots of -1 ? > > Good question. > Check if your mighty HP can verify the three cube roots of -1: exp(-pi * i) exp(pi/3 * i) exp(-pi/3 * i) Note that exp(-pi * i) = -1
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