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Which programming language you feel most comfortable?

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First post2018-09-08 12:08 +0000
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  Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-08 12:08 +0000
    Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-08 14:07 +0000
      Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 08:08 -0700
        Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-08 15:27 +0000
          Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 08:32 -0700
            Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-08 16:10 +0000
          Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 10:54 -0700
        Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 10:09 -0700
    Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-09-08 16:16 +0000
      Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-08 16:18 +0000
        Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-09-08 16:57 +0000
          Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-08 17:31 +0000
            Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 10:36 -0700
            Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 10:42 -0700
              Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-08 17:48 +0000
                Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 10:57 -0700
                  Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-08 18:22 +0000
                Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-09-09 13:32 -0400
            Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-08 18:30 +0000
              Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-08 18:39 +0000
                Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 11:43 -0700
                  Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-08 18:50 +0000
                    Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 11:59 -0700
                      Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-08 19:11 +0000
                        Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 12:12 -0700
                          Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-08 19:16 +0000
                    Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-09-09 20:12 -0400
                      Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 17:36 -0700
                  Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-08 18:53 +0000
                    Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-08 18:57 +0000
                      Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 12:08 -0700
                        Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-08 19:13 +0000
                        Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-08 19:19 +0000
                          Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 12:28 -0700
                            Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 12:58 -0700
                            Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 17:24 -0700
                          Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 14:01 -0700
                  Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-09-09 13:32 -0400
                    Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 13:08 -0700
              Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-09-09 13:32 -0400
                Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 10:49 -0700
                Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-09 19:10 +0000
                  Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 13:26 -0700
                  Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-09-09 20:32 -0400
                    Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 17:52 -0700
    Does Rust have #define ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-09-09 02:15 -0700
      Re: Does Rust have #define ? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-09 12:48 +0000
        Re: Does Rust have #define ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 05:54 -0700
        I don't feel compelled to use Rust. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-09-09 11:43 -0700
          Re: I don't feel compelled to use Rust. Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-10 00:11 +0000
    Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-09-09 07:17 -0400
      Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-09 11:49 +0000
        "SleepPat" in "X.CPP" in "Jeff-Relf.Me/X.ZIP". Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-09-09 11:54 -0700
        Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-09-10 05:29 -0400
          Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-10 09:07 -0500
            Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 07:27 -0700
            Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-09-10 19:25 -0400
          Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-10 16:07 +0000
            Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-09-10 19:30 -0400
          Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-09-10 09:30 -0700
            Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-09-10 19:30 -0400
      Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 05:07 -0700
    Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Russian Election Hacker <Anatoly@hacker.ru.com> - 2018-09-09 17:23 -0400
      Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 14:45 -0700
    Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-09-10 07:00 +0000
      Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 00:24 -0700
      Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-10 08:20 +0000
        Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 01:42 -0700
      Re: Which programming language you feel most comfortable? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-10 09:38 +0000

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#466267 — Which programming language you feel most comfortable?

FromMelzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com>
Date2018-09-08 12:08 +0000
SubjectWhich programming language you feel most comfortable?
Message-ID<pZOkD.146049$Wx.13687@fx37.am4>
I prefer Rust now.
Haskell is beautiful but is more complex then C++ ;)
Assembly yessssssssssssssss, but is it language?
C always, simple and efficient.
All in all, I think that Rust got it right.

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#466271

From"F. Russell" <fr@random.info>
Date2018-09-08 14:07 +0000
Message-ID<pn0l3t0h4f@news4.newsguy.com>
In reply to#466267
On Sat, 08 Sep 2018 12:08:53 +0000, Melzzzzz wrote:

> I prefer Rust now.
> 

There is no ONE language.

Programming languages were initially developed so that
people could avoid writing assembly code.  There are
different languages to provide different abstractions
for different purposes.  For text processing
there is Perl.  For mathematical programming there
is Fortran.  For those who want high abstractions
there are OO languages.  For those who want it simple
and easy there is Visual Basic.

There is no one single language that should be used
everywhere.

But for people who understand hardware there is C,
which is only a small step above assembly.

 

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#466276

FromSteve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-08 08:08 -0700
Message-ID<b6c04214-e332-4d99-9c65-3117bd88c22f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#466271
On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 8:08:37 AM UTC-6, F. Russell wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Sep 2018 12:08:53 +0000, Melzzzzz wrote:
> 
> > I prefer Rust now.
> > 
> 
> There is no ONE language.

Unless you want to write for that "other" OS... known as the web browser.

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#466278

FromMelzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com>
Date2018-09-08 15:27 +0000
Message-ID<lTRkD.222952$tw.218803@fx11.am4>
In reply to#466276
On 2018-09-08, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 8:08:37 AM UTC-6, F. Russell wrote:
>> On Sat, 08 Sep 2018 12:08:53 +0000, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> 
>> > I prefer Rust now.
>> > 
>> 
>> There is no ONE language.
>
> Unless you want to write for that "other" OS... known as the web browser.

Ahahahahhahahahhah

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#466279

FromSteve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-08 08:32 -0700
Message-ID<76758035-c11c-4336-b862-fe495a46b725@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#466278
On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 9:27:15 AM UTC-6, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2018-09-08, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 8:08:37 AM UTC-6, F. Russell wrote:
> >> On Sat, 08 Sep 2018 12:08:53 +0000, Melzzzzz wrote:
> >> 
> >> > I prefer Rust now.
> >> > 
> >> 
> >> There is no ONE language.
> >
> > Unless you want to write for that "other" OS... known as the web browser.
> 
> Ahahahahhahahahhah

C'mon, 'Rusty'...  you know it's true. 

Do you like Rust because of lack of garbage coll... uh, atomic reference counting 
(which is a form of GC... just not mark & sweep)? ;)

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#466285

FromMelzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com>
Date2018-09-08 16:10 +0000
Message-ID<_vSkD.362084$1x.48984@fx22.am4>
In reply to#466279
On 2018-09-08, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 9:27:15 AM UTC-6, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On 2018-09-08, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 8:08:37 AM UTC-6, F. Russell wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 08 Sep 2018 12:08:53 +0000, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> > I prefer Rust now.
>> >> > 
>> >> 
>> >> There is no ONE language.
>> >
>> > Unless you want to write for that "other" OS... known as the web browser.
>> 
>> Ahahahahhahahahhah
>
> C'mon, 'Rusty'...  you know it's true. 
>
> Do you like Rust because of lack of garbage coll... uh, atomic reference counting 
> (which is a form of GC... just not mark & sweep)? ;)

I like Rust because they are visionars.


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#466309

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-08 10:54 -0700
Message-ID<2bedff31-e52d-4c0a-83e3-1bc0af23b8d7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#466278
On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 8:27:15 AM UTC-7, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2018-09-08, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 8:08:37 AM UTC-6, F. Russell wrote:
> >> On Sat, 08 Sep 2018 12:08:53 +0000, Melzzzzz wrote:
> >> 
> >> > I prefer Rust now.
> >> > 
> >> 
> >> There is no ONE language.
> >
> > Unless you want to write for that "other" OS... known as the web browser.
> 
> Ahahahahhahahahhah
> 
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It was the Script Troller who forged me (and others) and admitted to having done so. Well... like I said, I have a number of reasons for believing the flooder is the Script Troller, who is a bash scripter but I don't know if it could be used to spam like this. 

the Script Troller must know that Snit (a real advocate) can go get whatever software he has found, right, medhead? On top of that, anyone can can get software to block his crap, which renders his kiddie crap impotent, just like the Script Troller ;) Can you get over it? 

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#466301

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-09-08 10:09 -0700
Message-ID<fvie2uF7jn4U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#466276
On 9/8/18 8:08 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 8:08:37 AM UTC-6, F. Russell wrote:
>> On Sat, 08 Sep 2018 12:08:53 +0000, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>
>>> I prefer Rust now.
>>>
>>
>> There is no ONE language.
> 
> Unless you want to write for that "other" OS... known as the web browser.
> 
ChomeOS?

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#466289

Fromowl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date2018-09-08 16:16 +0000
Message-ID<z9c0803ga.gh3@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to#466267
Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> I prefer Rust now.
> Haskell is beautiful but is more complex then C++ ;)
> Assembly yessssssssssssssss, but is it language?
> C always, simple and efficient.
> All in all, I think that Rust got it right.
> 

C is so clean and pure that I can't help but prefer it for doing
things from scratch.  That said, 99% of the "programming" I do involves
manipulating stdin/stdout, and bash is so well suited to the vast array
of commandline utilities that are already in place that it's rare that I
have a need to construct a utility from scratch, so I usually just bang
out a bash script that ties together sed, awk, bc, etc.  Sometimes runtime
requires a C solution however, or the task may just not be easily done 
in bash, or even possible.

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#466290

FromMelzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com>
Date2018-09-08 16:18 +0000
Message-ID<MDSkD.174182$Os.138154@fx35.am4>
In reply to#466289
On 2018-09-08, owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>> I prefer Rust now.
>> Haskell is beautiful but is more complex then C++ ;)
>> Assembly yessssssssssssssss, but is it language?
>> C always, simple and efficient.
>> All in all, I think that Rust got it right.
>> 
>
> C is so clean and pure that I can't help but prefer it for doing
> things from scratch.  That said, 99% of the "programming" I do involves
> manipulating stdin/stdout, and bash is so well suited to the vast array
> of commandline utilities that are already in place that it's rare that I
> have a need to construct a utility from scratch, so I usually just bang
> out a bash script that ties together sed, awk, bc, etc.  Sometimes runtime
> requires a C solution however, or the task may just not be easily done 
> in bash, or even possible.

Well, I am opposite. I only do scripting when necessary ;)
>


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#466299

Fromowl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date2018-09-08 16:57 +0000
Message-ID<zbib083ga.eh@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to#466290
Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> On 2018-09-08, owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>> Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>>> I prefer Rust now.
>>> Haskell is beautiful but is more complex then C++ ;)
>>> Assembly yessssssssssssssss, but is it language?
>>> C always, simple and efficient.
>>> All in all, I think that Rust got it right.
>>> 
>>
>> C is so clean and pure that I can't help but prefer it for doing
>> things from scratch.  That said, 99% of the "programming" I do involves
>> manipulating stdin/stdout, and bash is so well suited to the vast array
>> of commandline utilities that are already in place that it's rare that I
>> have a need to construct a utility from scratch, so I usually just bang
>> out a bash script that ties together sed, awk, bc, etc.  Sometimes runtime
>> requires a C solution however, or the task may just not be easily done 
>> in bash, or even possible.
> 
> Well, I am opposite. I only do scripting when necessary ;)
>>
> 

The great thing about C is that so many open-source tools are written
in it, and if you need to borrow or adapt a subset of a tool's functionality,
or just see how something was done, it's just a matter of browsing the code.
 

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#466305

FromMelzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com>
Date2018-09-08 17:31 +0000
Message-ID<NHTkD.324653$_u.288969@fx24.am4>
In reply to#466299
On 2018-09-08, owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>> On 2018-09-08, owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>> Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>>>> I prefer Rust now.
>>>> Haskell is beautiful but is more complex then C++ ;)
>>>> Assembly yessssssssssssssss, but is it language?
>>>> C always, simple and efficient.
>>>> All in all, I think that Rust got it right.
>>>> 
>>>
>>> C is so clean and pure that I can't help but prefer it for doing
>>> things from scratch.  That said, 99% of the "programming" I do involves
>>> manipulating stdin/stdout, and bash is so well suited to the vast array
>>> of commandline utilities that are already in place that it's rare that I
>>> have a need to construct a utility from scratch, so I usually just bang
>>> out a bash script that ties together sed, awk, bc, etc.  Sometimes runtime
>>> requires a C solution however, or the task may just not be easily done 
>>> in bash, or even possible.
>> 
>> Well, I am opposite. I only do scripting when necessary ;)
>>>
>> 
>
> The great thing about C is that so many open-source tools are written
> in it, and if you need to borrow or adapt a subset of a tool's functionality,
> or just see how something was done, it's just a matter of browsing the code.

Well, open source is that. I beleive that other languages are used as
well, it's just that Unix legacy tend to drag C. I would like to see
other languages used, being open source so that we move away from C.
>  


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#466306

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-09-08 10:36 -0700
Message-ID<fvifkoF7ukmU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#466305
On 9/8/18 10:31 AM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2018-09-08, owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>> Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>>> On 2018-09-08, owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>>>>> I prefer Rust now.
>>>>> Haskell is beautiful but is more complex then C++ ;)
>>>>> Assembly yessssssssssssssss, but is it language?
>>>>> C always, simple and efficient.
>>>>> All in all, I think that Rust got it right.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> C is so clean and pure that I can't help but prefer it for doing
>>>> things from scratch.  That said, 99% of the "programming" I do involves
>>>> manipulating stdin/stdout, and bash is so well suited to the vast array
>>>> of commandline utilities that are already in place that it's rare that I
>>>> have a need to construct a utility from scratch, so I usually just bang
>>>> out a bash script that ties together sed, awk, bc, etc.  Sometimes runtime
>>>> requires a C solution however, or the task may just not be easily done
>>>> in bash, or even possible.
>>>
>>> Well, I am opposite. I only do scripting when necessary ;)
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> The great thing about C is that so many open-source tools are written
>> in it, and if you need to borrow or adapt a subset of a tool's functionality,
>> or just see how something was done, it's just a matter of browsing the code.
> 
> Well, open source is that. I beleive that other languages are used as
> well, it's just that Unix legacy tend to drag C. I would like to see
> other languages used, being open source so that we move away from C.
>>   
> 
> 

Isn't SWIFT open source?

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#466307

FromSteve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-08 10:42 -0700
Message-ID<0bc95426-636e-4389-a19a-f5d05c4f0297@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#466305
On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-6, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2018-09-08, owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> > Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> >> On 2018-09-08, owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> >>> Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> >>>> I prefer Rust now.
> >>>> Haskell is beautiful but is more complex then C++ ;)
> >>>> Assembly yessssssssssssssss, but is it language?
> >>>> C always, simple and efficient.
> >>>> All in all, I think that Rust got it right.
> >>>> 
> >>>
> >>> C is so clean and pure that I can't help but prefer it for doing
> >>> things from scratch.  That said, 99% of the "programming" I do involves
> >>> manipulating stdin/stdout, and bash is so well suited to the vast array
> >>> of commandline utilities that are already in place that it's rare that I
> >>> have a need to construct a utility from scratch, so I usually just bang
> >>> out a bash script that ties together sed, awk, bc, etc.  Sometimes runtime
> >>> requires a C solution however, or the task may just not be easily done 
> >>> in bash, or even possible.
> >> 
> >> Well, I am opposite. I only do scripting when necessary ;)
> >>>
> >> 
> >
> > The great thing about C is that so many open-source tools are written
> > in it, and if you need to borrow or adapt a subset of a tool's functionality,
> > or just see how something was done, it's just a matter of browsing the code.
> 
> Well, open source is that. I beleive that other languages are used as
> well, it's just that Unix legacy tend to drag C. 

For as negative as you may think that is, it has lead to the insane amount
of open source tooling over the years (as it is with JavaScript).

> I would like to see
> other languages used, being open source so that we move away from C.

Someday this may happen but probably not any time soon.

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#466308

FromMelzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com>
Date2018-09-08 17:48 +0000
Message-ID<cYTkD.197786$Sv.17568@fx43.am4>
In reply to#466307
On 2018-09-08, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-6, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On 2018-09-08, owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>> > Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>> >> On 2018-09-08, owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>> >>> Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>> >>>> I prefer Rust now.
>> >>>> Haskell is beautiful but is more complex then C++ ;)
>> >>>> Assembly yessssssssssssssss, but is it language?
>> >>>> C always, simple and efficient.
>> >>>> All in all, I think that Rust got it right.
>> >>>> 
>> >>>
>> >>> C is so clean and pure that I can't help but prefer it for doing
>> >>> things from scratch.  That said, 99% of the "programming" I do involves
>> >>> manipulating stdin/stdout, and bash is so well suited to the vast array
>> >>> of commandline utilities that are already in place that it's rare that I
>> >>> have a need to construct a utility from scratch, so I usually just bang
>> >>> out a bash script that ties together sed, awk, bc, etc.  Sometimes runtime
>> >>> requires a C solution however, or the task may just not be easily done 
>> >>> in bash, or even possible.
>> >> 
>> >> Well, I am opposite. I only do scripting when necessary ;)
>> >>>
>> >> 
>> >
>> > The great thing about C is that so many open-source tools are written
>> > in it, and if you need to borrow or adapt a subset of a tool's functionality,
>> > or just see how something was done, it's just a matter of browsing the code.
>> 
>> Well, open source is that. I beleive that other languages are used as
>> well, it's just that Unix legacy tend to drag C. 
>
> For as negative as you may think that is, it has lead to the insane amount
> of open source tooling over the years (as it is with JavaScript).

GNU tools. give me GNU tools and I don't care about OS...
>
>> I would like to see
>> other languages used, being open source so that we move away from C.
>
> Someday this may happen but probably not any time soon.
There are other languages, but mainly people tend to write wrappers
around C libs for that languages. Biggest advantage of C is that all
languages have interface to it. Sure that will never be changed by
itself. Name one language which can be called from other language that
easilly...



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#466310

FromSteve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-08 10:57 -0700
Message-ID<ba6a6ba5-0ccf-4a3d-af68-c392e4e430a2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#466308
On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 11:48:59 AM UTC-6, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2018-09-08, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-6, Melzzzzz wrote:
> >> On 2018-09-08, owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> >> > Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> >> >> On 2018-09-08, owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> >> >>> Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> >> >>>> I prefer Rust now.
> >> >>>> Haskell is beautiful but is more complex then C++ ;)
> >> >>>> Assembly yessssssssssssssss, but is it language?
> >> >>>> C always, simple and efficient.
> >> >>>> All in all, I think that Rust got it right.
> >> >>>> 
> >> >>>
> >> >>> C is so clean and pure that I can't help but prefer it for doing
> >> >>> things from scratch.  That said, 99% of the "programming" I do involves
> >> >>> manipulating stdin/stdout, and bash is so well suited to the vast array
> >> >>> of commandline utilities that are already in place that it's rare that I
> >> >>> have a need to construct a utility from scratch, so I usually just bang
> >> >>> out a bash script that ties together sed, awk, bc, etc.  Sometimes runtime
> >> >>> requires a C solution however, or the task may just not be easily done 
> >> >>> in bash, or even possible.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Well, I am opposite. I only do scripting when necessary ;)
> >> >>>
> >> >> 
> >> >
> >> > The great thing about C is that so many open-source tools are written
> >> > in it, and if you need to borrow or adapt a subset of a tool's functionality,
> >> > or just see how something was done, it's just a matter of browsing the code.
> >> 
> >> Well, open source is that. I beleive that other languages are used as
> >> well, it's just that Unix legacy tend to drag C. 
> >
> > For as negative as you may think that is, it has lead to the insane amount
> > of open source tooling over the years (as it is with JavaScript).
> 
> GNU tools. give me GNU tools and I don't care about OS...
> >
> >> I would like to see
> >> other languages used, being open source so that we move away from C.
> >
> > Someday this may happen but probably not any time soon.
> There are other languages, but mainly people tend to write wrappers
> around C libs for that languages. Biggest advantage of C is that all
> languages have interface to it. Sure that will never be changed by
> itself. Name one language which can be called from other language that
> easilly...

Have you used Relm for GUI?

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#466313

FromMelzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com>
Date2018-09-08 18:22 +0000
Message-ID<PrUkD.136673$_V.33282@fx32.am4>
In reply to#466310
On 2018-09-08, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 11:48:59 AM UTC-6, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On 2018-09-08, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-6, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> >> On 2018-09-08, owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>> >> > Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On 2018-09-08, owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >>> Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>> I prefer Rust now.
>> >> >>>> Haskell is beautiful but is more complex then C++ ;)
>> >> >>>> Assembly yessssssssssssssss, but is it language?
>> >> >>>> C always, simple and efficient.
>> >> >>>> All in all, I think that Rust got it right.
>> >> >>>> 
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> C is so clean and pure that I can't help but prefer it for doing
>> >> >>> things from scratch.  That said, 99% of the "programming" I do involves
>> >> >>> manipulating stdin/stdout, and bash is so well suited to the vast array
>> >> >>> of commandline utilities that are already in place that it's rare that I
>> >> >>> have a need to construct a utility from scratch, so I usually just bang
>> >> >>> out a bash script that ties together sed, awk, bc, etc.  Sometimes runtime
>> >> >>> requires a C solution however, or the task may just not be easily done 
>> >> >>> in bash, or even possible.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Well, I am opposite. I only do scripting when necessary ;)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >> 
>> >> >
>> >> > The great thing about C is that so many open-source tools are written
>> >> > in it, and if you need to borrow or adapt a subset of a tool's functionality,
>> >> > or just see how something was done, it's just a matter of browsing the code.
>> >> 
>> >> Well, open source is that. I beleive that other languages are used as
>> >> well, it's just that Unix legacy tend to drag C. 
>> >
>> > For as negative as you may think that is, it has lead to the insane amount
>> > of open source tooling over the years (as it is with JavaScript).
>> 
>> GNU tools. give me GNU tools and I don't care about OS...
>> >
>> >> I would like to see
>> >> other languages used, being open source so that we move away from C.
>> >
>> > Someday this may happen but probably not any time soon.
>> There are other languages, but mainly people tend to write wrappers
>> around C libs for that languages. Biggest advantage of C is that all
>> languages have interface to it. Sure that will never be changed by
>> itself. Name one language which can be called from other language that
>> easilly...
>
> Have you used Relm for GUI?

What's Relm?


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#466482

FromDFS <nospam@nospam.com>
Date2018-09-09 13:32 -0400
Message-ID<1PclD.136844$YL3.37480@fx48.iad>
In reply to#466308
On 9/8/2018 1:48 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:

> GNU tools. give me GNU tools and I don't care about OS...

http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net

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#466317

From"F. Russell" <fr@random.info>
Date2018-09-08 18:30 +0000
Message-ID<pn14gv02emu@news3.newsguy.com>
In reply to#466305
On Sat, 08 Sep 2018 17:31:25 +0000, Melzzzzz wrote:

> 
> Well, open source is that. I beleive that other languages are used as
> well, it's just that Unix legacy tend to drag C. I would like to see
> other languages used, being open source so that we move away from C.
>

My entire Gentoo system, consisting of 496 packages, is written
entirely in C with a small percentage being in the extension language
known as C++.

Why should this change?  It's not going to change.  Any change
would result in inferiority.

Multi-threaded applications and parallel programming are the
future directions and NOTHING handles threads or parallelism
better than C.  Nothing.

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#466318

FromMelzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com>
Date2018-09-08 18:39 +0000
Message-ID<lHUkD.174185$Os.39849@fx35.am4>
In reply to#466317
On 2018-09-08, F. Russell <fr@random.info> wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Sep 2018 17:31:25 +0000, Melzzzzz wrote:
>
>> 
>
> Multi-threaded applications and parallel programming are the
> future directions and NOTHING handles threads or parallelism
> better than C.  Nothing.

Bool.

>


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