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GNOME 3.16 Released!

Started byMelzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com>
First post2015-03-25 19:01 +0100
Last post2015-03-26 18:49 -0700
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  GNOME 3.16 Released! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-25 19:01 +0100
    Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-25 15:51 -0400
      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-25 15:03 -0500
        Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-25 17:15 -0400
        Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-03-25 22:01 +0000
          Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 19:53 -0600
        Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-26 00:11 +0100
          Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 19:54 -0600
            Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-26 03:01 +0100
              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-25 23:21 -0600
              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-03-26 11:56 -0500
                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-26 14:13 -0600
      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-25 23:54 +0100
    Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-03-25 16:01 -0400
      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Donald Miller <donaldmiller955@mail.com> - 2015-03-25 16:37 -0400
        Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-25 17:27 -0400
          Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 19:56 -0600
      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-25 17:15 -0400
      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-26 00:09 +0100
        Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-25 19:18 -0400
          Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-26 00:24 +0100
            Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-25 19:30 -0400
            Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 19:58 -0600
              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-26 03:02 +0100
                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-25 23:19 -0600
        Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-25 20:15 -0400
      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 19:55 -0600
    Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-25 17:00 -0400
      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-25 17:32 -0400
        Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-25 22:43 +0100
          Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-03-25 21:56 +0000
            Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-25 23:09 +0100
              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-03-25 23:23 +0000
                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-26 00:31 +0100
                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-03-25 23:36 +0000
                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-25 19:39 -0400
                    Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 20:02 -0600
            Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-25 18:12 -0400
              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-25 23:22 +0100
                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-25 18:36 -0400
                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-03-25 23:15 +0000
                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-25 20:04 -0400
                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 20:04 -0600
          Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-25 18:08 -0400
            Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-25 23:14 +0100
              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-25 18:30 -0400
                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-25 23:35 +0100
                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-25 18:40 -0400
                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-03-25 23:20 +0000
                    Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 20:10 -0600
                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-26 00:24 +0100
                    Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-03-25 23:25 +0000
                      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 20:10 -0600
                      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-25 22:27 -0400
                        Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-26 03:38 +0100
                          Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-03-26 04:30 +0000
                            Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-26 09:02 -0400
                          Windows games, sound routing, and all that jazzercize vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-03-28 16:29 -0700
                            Re: Windows games, sound routing, and all that jazzercize Donald Miller <donaldmiller955@mail.com> - 2015-03-28 19:37 -0400
                              Re: Windows games, sound routing, and all that jazzercize vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-03-28 18:51 -0700
                                Re: Windows games, sound routing, and all that jazzercize Donald Miller <donaldmiller955@mail.com> - 2015-03-28 22:09 -0400
                                  Re: Windows games, sound routing, and all that jazzercize "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-29 09:33 -0400
                                    Re: Windows games, sound routing, and all that jazzercize Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-29 09:58 -0400
                                Re: Windows games, sound routing, and all that jazzercize Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-28 22:38 -0400
                                Re: Windows games, sound routing, and all that jazzercize Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-29 06:56 -0400
                                  Re: Windows games, sound routing, and all that jazzercize owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-03-29 13:11 +0000
                                  Re: Windows games, sound routing, and all that jazzercize GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-29 16:18 -0600
                                    Re: Windows games, sound routing, and all that jazzercize Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-29 18:50 -0400
                                      Re: Windows games, sound routing, and all that jazzercize GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-30 15:40 -0600
                              For Linux-hating trolls: bite a little harder, why don't you? (was Re: Windows games, sound routing, and all that jazzercize vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-03-31 15:41 -0700
                            Re: Windows games, sound routing, and all that jazzercize Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-28 19:48 -0400
                              Re: Windows games, sound routing, and all that jazzercize DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-28 22:24 -0400
                      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-26 07:10 -0500
                        Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-26 13:22 +0100
                          Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-26 09:28 -0400
                          Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-26 14:12 -0600
                        Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-03-26 12:07 -0500
                          Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-26 17:30 -0400
                            Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-26 23:09 +0100
                              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-26 20:43 -0400
                                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-26 19:18 -0600
                                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-26 22:29 -0400
                              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-26 19:16 -0600
                            Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-26 19:11 -0700
                            Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-28 10:55 -0400
                              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-28 11:52 -0400
                                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-28 13:06 -0400
                                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-28 14:20 -0400
                                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-28 19:21 -0600
                              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-28 17:11 +0100
                                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-28 17:22 +0100
                                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-28 11:15 -0600
                                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-28 14:15 -0400
                                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-28 14:13 -0400
                          Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-26 19:14 -0600
                    Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-25 19:58 -0400
                      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 20:12 -0600
                        Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-25 22:50 -0400
                          Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-25 23:18 -0600
                    Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 20:10 -0600
                      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-26 03:23 +0100
                        Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-25 23:15 -0600
                        Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-26 05:57 -0400
                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-25 20:13 -0400
                    Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 20:13 -0600
                    Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-25 22:40 -0400
                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-03-25 19:25 -0500
                    Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-25 20:42 -0400
                      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 20:16 -0600
                    Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 20:16 -0600
                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 20:09 -0600
              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-03-25 23:19 +0000
                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-26 00:25 +0100
              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 20:07 -0600
            Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-26 00:15 +0100
              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-25 20:14 -0400
                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 20:18 -0600
                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-26 07:14 -0500
                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-26 14:11 -0600
              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 20:17 -0600
                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-26 03:27 +0100
                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-25 23:12 -0600
                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-03-26 12:00 -0500
                    Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-26 14:10 -0600
              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-03-26 09:24 +0000
                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-26 06:10 -0400
                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-26 11:40 +0100
                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-26 09:09 -0400
                    Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-26 14:41 +0100
                      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-03-26 12:06 -0500
                        Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-26 20:12 +0100
                          Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-26 14:44 -0500
                            Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-26 22:07 +0100
                              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-26 17:54 -0400
                      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-26 14:09 -0600
                      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-26 17:19 -0400
                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-26 14:08 -0600
              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-26 14:08 -0600
            Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-25 19:22 -0700
              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-25 22:58 -0400
                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-26 08:41 -0700
                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-26 17:25 -0400
                    Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-26 19:17 -0700
          Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-25 20:01 -0400
            Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 20:19 -0600
              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-26 03:32 +0100
                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-03-26 04:30 +0000
                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-25 21:35 -0700
                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-26 10:53 +0100
                    Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-03-26 09:59 +0000
                      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-26 07:34 -0500
                        Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-26 09:29 -0400
                          Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-26 14:06 -0600
                            Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-03-26 21:42 +0000
                              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-27 13:53 -0600
                        Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-26 14:06 -0600
                      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-26 08:58 -0400
                      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-26 09:07 -0400
                      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-26 14:05 -0600
                    Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-26 09:59 -0400
                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-26 06:03 -0400
                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-26 06:00 -0400
                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-26 14:04 -0600
              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-25 22:52 -0400
            Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-25 22:32 -0400
              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-25 23:26 -0400
          Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 20:00 -0600
          Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-26 07:19 -0500
            Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-26 09:14 -0400
              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-26 14:38 +0100
                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-26 08:57 -0500
                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-26 11:14 -0400
                    Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-26 16:35 +0100
                      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-26 11:08 -0500
                        Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-26 14:04 -0600
                          Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-26 17:49 -0400
                      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-26 14:03 -0600
                      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-27 08:20 -0400
                        Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-27 09:24 -0400
                          Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-27 13:51 -0600
                    Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-26 12:55 -0400
                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-26 10:49 -0500
                    Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-26 11:33 -0500
                      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-26 13:59 -0600
                    Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-26 17:27 -0400
                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-26 10:09 -0400
                  Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-26 13:59 -0600
                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-26 13:58 -0600
              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-26 10:05 -0400
                Why quote @chrisv ? ! Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-03-26 19:27 -0700
      Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-26 00:13 +0100
        Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-03-25 23:13 +0000
        Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-25 19:20 -0400
          Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-26 00:35 +0100
            Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-25 19:49 -0400
            Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-25 20:22 -0400
              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 20:22 -0600
              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-26 07:26 -0500
            Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 20:21 -0600
        Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-25 20:17 -0400
          Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-25 20:22 -0600
            Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-25 22:59 -0400
              Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-26 09:32 -0400
                Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-26 17:16 -0400
          Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-25 23:32 -0400
            Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-26 09:47 -0400
    Re: GNOME 3.16 Released! John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-03-26 18:49 -0700

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#286320

FromGreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>
Date2015-03-26 19:18 -0600
Message-ID<b8GdnVU25Yt9MonInZ2dnUU7-U-dnZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#286312
On 03/26/15 18:43, Slimer wrote:
> On 2015-03-26 6:09 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> Slimer wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-03-26 1:07 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>> On 2015-03-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slimer is lying. You can't even run Windows XP games on later
>>>>>>> Windows...
>>>>>
>>>>> Your blanket statment is not even close to being correct.
>>>>>
>>>>>> For years corporations have avoided upgrading above Windows XP
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> of the nightmare of adopting their custom applications to Vista/7/8.x
>>>>>> -- so, yeah, "Slimer" is full of Snit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's more the move to 64 bit that can be a problem, and even
>>>>> that hasn't been a problem, for most people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's face it. M$ does a pretty decent job, in that department.
>>>>
>>>> No they don't. Dual bitness support in Windows is actually a bit of
>>>> a
>>>> pain really. It's the sort of thing that makes me appreciate Linux
>>>> more.
>>>
>>> Name one 32-bit program which doesn't run in 64-bit Windows.
>>>
>>> You're an idiot, JEDIDUMBASS.
>>>
>>
>> Well, actually quite a lot. For example, all of those which bring
>> their own
>> driver. If you have only a 32bit driver, you are *totally* out of luck.
>>
>> And that is also the area in 64bit windows which has some gaping
>> holes. Lots
>> of devices which ran in 32bit windows will cease to work with 64bit
>> windows
>>
>> And this is also one of the areas where MS is standing in its own way.
>> They
>> changed the driver model several times with the new windows versions.
>> Meaning that you can't rely on a driver to work in the newer windows
>
> The hardware drivers I agree with you. It's very sad how Windows can't
> keep support for a device which was already supported at some point in
> the operating system's history. That's where Linux is a lot better than
> Windows in that if the driver is available in free software form, it is
> included in the kernel and works forever. I _wish_ Windows would be the
> same in this respect but I imagine that manufacturers are happy that the
> loss of support means that they sell more hardware as a result of people
> replacing perfectly good devices.
>
> As for the 32-bit driver, you bring up an excellent point. However,
> we're no longer talking purely about software as much as talking about
> software+hardware. After all, even if it's virtual hardware, that
> software is essentially calling for some sort of device in other to
> function correctly. In those conditions, I'm not surprised that the
> software would cease to work in the 32 to 64-bit transition.
>
> I'm not sure if this constitutes as a goal post move but it sure seems
> that way.
>
It was.  He is using the diversion to make windows look bad, which he 
utterly failed at.  The vendors know about the drivers, and if they want 
to stay in business they'll provide new drivers.  Linux has a more 
difficult time with the vendors, as there are a lot of vendors that 
don't give a darn about linux... case in point is Nvidia.


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#286329

FromSlimer <slvrslmr@lv.c>
Date2015-03-26 22:29 -0400
Message-ID<mf2f8k$nse$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#286320
On 2015-03-26 9:18 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
> On 03/26/15 18:43, Slimer wrote:
>> On 2015-03-26 6:09 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-03-26 1:07 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>>> On 2015-03-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Slimer is lying. You can't even run Windows XP games on later
>>>>>>>> Windows...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your blanket statment is not even close to being correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For years corporations have avoided upgrading above Windows XP
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> of the nightmare of adopting their custom applications to
>>>>>>> Vista/7/8.x
>>>>>>> -- so, yeah, "Slimer" is full of Snit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it's more the move to 64 bit that can be a problem, and even
>>>>>> that hasn't been a problem, for most people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's face it. M$ does a pretty decent job, in that department.
>>>>>
>>>>> No they don't. Dual bitness support in Windows is actually a bit of
>>>>> a
>>>>> pain really. It's the sort of thing that makes me appreciate Linux
>>>>> more.
>>>>
>>>> Name one 32-bit program which doesn't run in 64-bit Windows.
>>>>
>>>> You're an idiot, JEDIDUMBASS.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, actually quite a lot. For example, all of those which bring
>>> their own
>>> driver. If you have only a 32bit driver, you are *totally* out of luck.
>>>
>>> And that is also the area in 64bit windows which has some gaping
>>> holes. Lots
>>> of devices which ran in 32bit windows will cease to work with 64bit
>>> windows
>>>
>>> And this is also one of the areas where MS is standing in its own way.
>>> They
>>> changed the driver model several times with the new windows versions.
>>> Meaning that you can't rely on a driver to work in the newer windows
>>
>> The hardware drivers I agree with you. It's very sad how Windows can't
>> keep support for a device which was already supported at some point in
>> the operating system's history. That's where Linux is a lot better than
>> Windows in that if the driver is available in free software form, it is
>> included in the kernel and works forever. I _wish_ Windows would be the
>> same in this respect but I imagine that manufacturers are happy that the
>> loss of support means that they sell more hardware as a result of people
>> replacing perfectly good devices.
>>
>> As for the 32-bit driver, you bring up an excellent point. However,
>> we're no longer talking purely about software as much as talking about
>> software+hardware. After all, even if it's virtual hardware, that
>> software is essentially calling for some sort of device in other to
>> function correctly. In those conditions, I'm not surprised that the
>> software would cease to work in the 32 to 64-bit transition.
>>
>> I'm not sure if this constitutes as a goal post move but it sure seems
>> that way.
>>
> It was.  He is using the diversion to make windows look bad, which he
> utterly failed at.  The vendors know about the drivers, and if they want
> to stay in business they'll provide new drivers.  Linux has a more
> difficult time with the vendors, as there are a lot of vendors that
> don't give a darn about linux... case in point is Nvidia.

Actually, I would say that NVIDIA is Linux's best ally nowadays. It 
provides updates and seems genuinely interested in supporting Linux 
properly, it just doesn't open the driver as much as the Linux losers 
would want. Even then though, the company helps (slightly) with the 
development of Nouveau.

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#286319

FromGreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>
Date2015-03-26 19:16 -0600
Message-ID<b8GdnVo25YvvMonInZ2dnUU7-U-dnZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#286308
On 03/26/15 16:09, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> Slimer wrote:
>
>> On 2015-03-26 1:07 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>> On 2015-03-26, chrisv<chrisv@nospam.invalid>  wrote:
>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slimer is lying. You can't even run Windows XP games on later
>>>>>> Windows...
>>>>
>>>> Your blanket statment is not even close to being correct.
>>>>
>>>>> For years corporations have avoided upgrading above Windows XP because
>>>>> of the nightmare of adopting their custom applications to Vista/7/8.x
>>>>> -- so, yeah, "Slimer" is full of Snit.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's more the move to 64 bit that can be a problem, and even
>>>> that hasn't been a problem, for most people.
>>>>
>>>> Let's face it.  M$ does a pretty decent job, in that department.
>>>
>>>       No they don't. Dual bitness support in Windows is actually a bit of
>>>       a
>>> pain really. It's the sort of thing that makes me appreciate Linux more.
>>
>> Name one 32-bit program which doesn't run in 64-bit Windows.
>>
>> You're an idiot, JEDIDUMBASS.
>>
>
> Well, actually quite a lot. For example, all of those which bring their own
> driver. If you have only a 32bit driver, you are *totally* out of luck.
>
> And that is also the area in 64bit windows which has some gaping holes. Lots
> of devices which ran in 32bit windows will cease to work with 64bit windows
>
> And this is also one of the areas where MS is standing in its own way. They
> changed the driver model several times with the new windows versions.
> Meaning that you can't rely on a driver to work in the newer windows

He asked which 32-bit program won't run under 64-bit windows.
Now provide some evidence of your claims.  So far you aren't doing well 
in that area.  Like 0% success.


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#286325

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2015-03-26 19:11 -0700
Message-ID<D13A0A64.4924F%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to#286301
On 3/26/15, 2:30 PM, in article mf1to6$q03$5@dont-email.me, "Slimer"
<slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:

> On 2015-03-26 1:07 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> On 2015-03-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> ronb wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Slimer is lying. You can't even run Windows XP games on later Windows...
>>> 
>>> Your blanket statment is not even close to being correct.
>>> 
>>>> For years corporations have avoided upgrading above Windows XP because of
>>>> the nightmare of adopting their custom applications to Vista/7/8.x -- so,
>>>> yeah, "Slimer" is full of Snit.
>>> 
>>> I think it's more the move to 64 bit that can be a problem, and even
>>> that hasn't been a problem, for most people.
>>> 
>>> Let's face it.  M$ does a pretty decent job, in that department.
>> 
>>      No they don't. Dual bitness support in Windows is actually a bit of a
>> pain really. It's the sort of thing that makes me appreciate Linux more.
> 
> Name one 32-bit program which doesn't run in 64-bit Windows.
> 
> You're an idiot, JEDIDUMBASS.

32 bit Mac and Linux programs. :)


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#286447

FromDFS <nospam@dfs.com>
Date2015-03-28 10:55 -0400
Message-ID<mf6fbf$is7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#286301
On 3/26/2015 5:30 PM, Slimer wrote:
> On 2015-03-26 1:07 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> On 2015-03-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> ronb wrote:
>>>
>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Slimer is lying. You can't even run Windows XP games on later
>>>>> Windows...
>>>
>>> Your blanket statment is not even close to being correct.
>>>
>>>> For years corporations have avoided upgrading above Windows XP
>>>> because of
>>>> the nightmare of adopting their custom applications to Vista/7/8.x
>>>> -- so,
>>>> yeah, "Slimer" is full of Snit.
>>>
>>> I think it's more the move to 64 bit that can be a problem, and even
>>> that hasn't been a problem, for most people.
>>>
>>> Let's face it.  M$ does a pretty decent job, in that department.
>>
>>      No they don't. Dual bitness support in Windows is actually a bit
>> of a pain really. It's the sort of thing that makes me appreciate Linux more.
>
> Name one 32-bit program which doesn't run in 64-bit Windows.


Paradox 5.0 for Windows, from 1994.  It's a Windows 3.x app.

It installed and ran fine in Win7 32-bit, but won't install at all in 
Win7 Pro 64-bit, no matter which 'Troubleshoot Compatibility' option is 
used.

When I did install it in Win7 32-bit, it took 6 seconds to install (no 
exaggeration).  I had unpacked all the 3.5" diskettes to a folder and 
ran INSTALL.EXE from there.

note: it installs and runs fine in Windows XP mode (on Win7-64)

What's scary is it's still a better desktop database than anything 
available in Linux today, 20 years later.

You know who's doomed.



> You're an idiot, JEDIDUMBASS.

He really is.  He can hardly make a post any more without spewing 
something really strange or stupid.

"Apple is a failure as a computer company.",
JED the blithering idiot, referring to a company whose computer sales 
alone would place it in the Top 140 of the Fortune 500.

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#286451

FromSlimer <slvrslmr@lv.c>
Date2015-03-28 11:52 -0400
Message-ID<mf6imt$du$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#286447
On 2015-03-28 10:55 AM, DFS wrote:
> On 3/26/2015 5:30 PM, Slimer wrote:
>> On 2015-03-26 1:07 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>> On 2015-03-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slimer is lying. You can't even run Windows XP games on later
>>>>>> Windows...
>>>>
>>>> Your blanket statment is not even close to being correct.
>>>>
>>>>> For years corporations have avoided upgrading above Windows XP
>>>>> because of
>>>>> the nightmare of adopting their custom applications to Vista/7/8.x
>>>>> -- so,
>>>>> yeah, "Slimer" is full of Snit.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's more the move to 64 bit that can be a problem, and even
>>>> that hasn't been a problem, for most people.
>>>>
>>>> Let's face it.  M$ does a pretty decent job, in that department.
>>>
>>>      No they don't. Dual bitness support in Windows is actually a bit
>>> of a pain really. It's the sort of thing that makes me appreciate
>>> Linux more.
>>
>> Name one 32-bit program which doesn't run in 64-bit Windows.
>
>
> Paradox 5.0 for Windows, from 1994.  It's a Windows 3.x app.
>
> It installed and ran fine in Win7 32-bit, but won't install at all in
> Win7 Pro 64-bit, no matter which 'Troubleshoot Compatibility' option is
> used.
>
> When I did install it in Win7 32-bit, it took 6 seconds to install (no
> exaggeration).  I had unpacked all the 3.5" diskettes to a folder and
> ran INSTALL.EXE from there.
>
> note: it installs and runs fine in Windows XP mode (on Win7-64)
>
> What's scary is it's still a better desktop database than anything
> available in Linux today, 20 years later.
>
> You know who's doomed.

A 1994 application made for Windows 3.x which runs fine on a 64-bit 
edition of Windows using XP-compatibility mode. To say the least, it's 
this kind of success with old software which makes the Linux losers 
jealous that they can't afford Windows.

>> You're an idiot, JEDIDUMBASS.
>
> He really is.  He can hardly make a post any more without spewing
> something really strange or stupid.
>
> "Apple is a failure as a computer company.",
> JED the blithering idiot, referring to a company whose computer sales
> alone would place it in the Top 140 of the Fortune 500.

Apple has never recovered from JEDIDUMBASS' negative comments.


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#286465

FromDFS <nospam@dfs.com>
Date2015-03-28 13:06 -0400
Message-ID<mf6n26$i4p$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#286451
On 3/28/2015 11:52 AM, Slimer wrote:
> On 2015-03-28 10:55 AM, DFS wrote:
>> On 3/26/2015 5:30 PM, Slimer wrote:
>>> On 2015-03-26 1:07 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>> On 2015-03-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slimer is lying. You can't even run Windows XP games on later
>>>>>>> Windows...
>>>>>
>>>>> Your blanket statment is not even close to being correct.
>>>>>
>>>>>> For years corporations have avoided upgrading above Windows XP
>>>>>> because of
>>>>>> the nightmare of adopting their custom applications to Vista/7/8.x
>>>>>> -- so,
>>>>>> yeah, "Slimer" is full of Snit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's more the move to 64 bit that can be a problem, and even
>>>>> that hasn't been a problem, for most people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's face it.  M$ does a pretty decent job, in that department.
>>>>
>>>>      No they don't. Dual bitness support in Windows is actually a bit
>>>> of a pain really. It's the sort of thing that makes me appreciate
>>>> Linux more.
>>>
>>> Name one 32-bit program which doesn't run in 64-bit Windows.
>>
>>
>> Paradox 5.0 for Windows, from 1994.  It's a Windows 3.x app.
>>
>> It installed and ran fine in Win7 32-bit, but won't install at all in
>> Win7 Pro 64-bit, no matter which 'Troubleshoot Compatibility' option is
>> used.
>>
>> When I did install it in Win7 32-bit, it took 6 seconds to install (no
>> exaggeration).  I had unpacked all the 3.5" diskettes to a folder and
>> ran INSTALL.EXE from there.
>>
>> note: it installs and runs fine in Windows XP mode (on Win7-64)
>>
>> What's scary is it's still a better desktop database than anything
>> available in Linux today, 20 years later.
>>
>> You know who's doomed.
>
> A 1994 application made for Windows 3.x which runs fine on a 64-bit
> edition of Windows using XP-compatibility mode. To say the least, it's
> this kind of success with old software which makes the Linux losers
> jealous that they can't afford Windows.


I've asked the advocates to show us 15-year-old Linux apps running 
unchanged on current distros, but nobody stepped up in YEARS.



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#286477

FromSlimer <slvrslmr@lv.c>
Date2015-03-28 14:20 -0400
Message-ID<mf6rc2$6ta$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#286465
On 2015-03-28 1:06 PM, DFS wrote:
> On 3/28/2015 11:52 AM, Slimer wrote:
>> On 2015-03-28 10:55 AM, DFS wrote:
>>> On 3/26/2015 5:30 PM, Slimer wrote:
>>>> On 2015-03-26 1:07 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>>> On 2015-03-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Slimer is lying. You can't even run Windows XP games on later
>>>>>>>> Windows...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your blanket statment is not even close to being correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For years corporations have avoided upgrading above Windows XP
>>>>>>> because of
>>>>>>> the nightmare of adopting their custom applications to Vista/7/8.x
>>>>>>> -- so,
>>>>>>> yeah, "Slimer" is full of Snit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it's more the move to 64 bit that can be a problem, and even
>>>>>> that hasn't been a problem, for most people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's face it.  M$ does a pretty decent job, in that department.
>>>>>
>>>>>      No they don't. Dual bitness support in Windows is actually a bit
>>>>> of a pain really. It's the sort of thing that makes me appreciate
>>>>> Linux more.
>>>>
>>>> Name one 32-bit program which doesn't run in 64-bit Windows.
>>>
>>>
>>> Paradox 5.0 for Windows, from 1994.  It's a Windows 3.x app.
>>>
>>> It installed and ran fine in Win7 32-bit, but won't install at all in
>>> Win7 Pro 64-bit, no matter which 'Troubleshoot Compatibility' option is
>>> used.
>>>
>>> When I did install it in Win7 32-bit, it took 6 seconds to install (no
>>> exaggeration).  I had unpacked all the 3.5" diskettes to a folder and
>>> ran INSTALL.EXE from there.
>>>
>>> note: it installs and runs fine in Windows XP mode (on Win7-64)
>>>
>>> What's scary is it's still a better desktop database than anything
>>> available in Linux today, 20 years later.
>>>
>>> You know who's doomed.
>>
>> A 1994 application made for Windows 3.x which runs fine on a 64-bit
>> edition of Windows using XP-compatibility mode. To say the least, it's
>> this kind of success with old software which makes the Linux losers
>> jealous that they can't afford Windows.
>
>
> I've asked the advocates to show us 15-year-old Linux apps running
> unchanged on current distros, but nobody stepped up in YEARS.

And they never will. They much prefer tap-dancing and spitting excrement 
from their mouths than proving anything. Of course, proving anything 
requires them to open up a browser window (while using a newsreader) and 
copying/pasting a link to a website showing whatever they are trying to 
prove. As we know, something as simple as copying and pasting 
information can take down a Linux system and render it inoperative so 
none of the advocates dare try. The fact that they have to do something 
unnecessary like multitask two programs at once only adds to the danger.

Linux: where typing something into one of the many text editors is the 
only thing which can't possibly take your system down.

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#286521

FromGreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
Date2015-03-28 19:21 -0600
Message-ID<iPadnTxjiek9zorInZ2dnUU7-YmdnZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#286465
DFS wrote:

> On 3/28/2015 11:52 AM, Slimer wrote:
>> On 2015-03-28 10:55 AM, DFS wrote:
>>> On 3/26/2015 5:30 PM, Slimer wrote:
>>>> On 2015-03-26 1:07 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>>> On 2015-03-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Slimer is lying. You can't even run Windows XP games on later
>>>>>>>> Windows...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your blanket statment is not even close to being correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For years corporations have avoided upgrading above Windows XP
>>>>>>> because of
>>>>>>> the nightmare of adopting their custom applications to Vista/7/8.x
>>>>>>> -- so,
>>>>>>> yeah, "Slimer" is full of Snit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it's more the move to 64 bit that can be a problem, and even
>>>>>> that hasn't been a problem, for most people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's face it.  M$ does a pretty decent job, in that department.
>>>>>
>>>>>      No they don't. Dual bitness support in Windows is actually a bit
>>>>> of a pain really. It's the sort of thing that makes me appreciate
>>>>> Linux more.
>>>>
>>>> Name one 32-bit program which doesn't run in 64-bit Windows.
>>>
>>>
>>> Paradox 5.0 for Windows, from 1994.  It's a Windows 3.x app.
>>>
>>> It installed and ran fine in Win7 32-bit, but won't install at all in
>>> Win7 Pro 64-bit, no matter which 'Troubleshoot Compatibility' option is
>>> used.
>>>
>>> When I did install it in Win7 32-bit, it took 6 seconds to install (no
>>> exaggeration).  I had unpacked all the 3.5" diskettes to a folder and
>>> ran INSTALL.EXE from there.
>>>
>>> note: it installs and runs fine in Windows XP mode (on Win7-64)
>>>
>>> What's scary is it's still a better desktop database than anything
>>> available in Linux today, 20 years later.
>>>
>>> You know who's doomed.
>>
>> A 1994 application made for Windows 3.x which runs fine on a 64-bit
>> edition of Windows using XP-compatibility mode. To say the least, it's
>> this kind of success with old software which makes the Linux losers
>> jealous that they can't afford Windows.
> 
> 
> I've asked the advocates to show us 15-year-old Linux apps running
> unchanged on current distros, but nobody stepped up in YEARS.

They'd have to hunt down all the dependencies to get the program to run.
Especially if it was C++.

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#286454

FromPeter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>
Date2015-03-28 17:11 +0100
Message-ID<mf6jq4$5ed$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#286447
DFS wrote:

> On 3/26/2015 5:30 PM, Slimer wrote:
>> On 2015-03-26 1:07 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>> On 2015-03-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slimer is lying. You can't even run Windows XP games on later
>>>>>> Windows...
>>>>
>>>> Your blanket statment is not even close to being correct.
>>>>
>>>>> For years corporations have avoided upgrading above Windows XP
>>>>> because of
>>>>> the nightmare of adopting their custom applications to Vista/7/8.x
>>>>> -- so,
>>>>> yeah, "Slimer" is full of Snit.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's more the move to 64 bit that can be a problem, and even
>>>> that hasn't been a problem, for most people.
>>>>
>>>> Let's face it.  M$ does a pretty decent job, in that department.
>>>
>>>      No they don't. Dual bitness support in Windows is actually a bit
>>> of a pain really. It's the sort of thing that makes me appreciate Linux
>>> more.
>>
>> Name one 32-bit program which doesn't run in 64-bit Windows.
> 
> 
> Paradox 5.0 for Windows, from 1994.  It's a Windows 3.x app.
> 
> It installed and ran fine in Win7 32-bit, but won't install at all in
> Win7 Pro 64-bit, no matter which 'Troubleshoot Compatibility' option is
> used.

It can't run on 64Bit windows. 64bit windows has a 32Bit-WoW  (windows on 
windows) but no 16Bit Wow which was present in WinXP. So when you install it 
in the WinXP compatability layer, it gets provided that missing WoW

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#286455

FromPeter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>
Date2015-03-28 17:22 +0100
Message-ID<mf6kdm$6lh$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#286454
Peter Köhlmann wrote:

> DFS wrote:
> 
>> On 3/26/2015 5:30 PM, Slimer wrote:
>>> On 2015-03-26 1:07 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>> On 2015-03-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slimer is lying. You can't even run Windows XP games on later
>>>>>>> Windows...
>>>>>
>>>>> Your blanket statment is not even close to being correct.
>>>>>
>>>>>> For years corporations have avoided upgrading above Windows XP
>>>>>> because of
>>>>>> the nightmare of adopting their custom applications to Vista/7/8.x
>>>>>> -- so,
>>>>>> yeah, "Slimer" is full of Snit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's more the move to 64 bit that can be a problem, and even
>>>>> that hasn't been a problem, for most people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's face it.  M$ does a pretty decent job, in that department.
>>>>
>>>>      No they don't. Dual bitness support in Windows is actually a bit
>>>> of a pain really. It's the sort of thing that makes me appreciate Linux
>>>> more.
>>>
>>> Name one 32-bit program which doesn't run in 64-bit Windows.
>> 
>> 
>> Paradox 5.0 for Windows, from 1994.  It's a Windows 3.x app.
>> 
>> It installed and ran fine in Win7 32-bit, but won't install at all in
>> Win7 Pro 64-bit, no matter which 'Troubleshoot Compatibility' option is
>> used.
> 
> It can't run on 64Bit windows. 64bit windows has a 32Bit-WoW  (windows on
> windows) but no 16Bit Wow which was present in WinXP. So when you install
> it in the WinXP compatability layer, it gets provided that missing WoW

Addition: If you install wine on a 64bit linux, it will run 64bit windows 
programs, 32bit programs and also 16bit windows programs. Wine has the 2 
different WoW modes

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#286471

FromGreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
Date2015-03-28 11:15 -0600
Message-ID<zOOdnUw-8cxbfIvInZ2dnUU7-R2dnZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#286455
Peter Köhlmann wrote:

> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> 
>> DFS wrote:
>> 
>>> On 3/26/2015 5:30 PM, Slimer wrote:
>>>> On 2015-03-26 1:07 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>>> On 2015-03-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Slimer is lying. You can't even run Windows XP games on later
>>>>>>>> Windows...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your blanket statment is not even close to being correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For years corporations have avoided upgrading above Windows XP
>>>>>>> because of
>>>>>>> the nightmare of adopting their custom applications to Vista/7/8.x
>>>>>>> -- so,
>>>>>>> yeah, "Slimer" is full of Snit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it's more the move to 64 bit that can be a problem, and even
>>>>>> that hasn't been a problem, for most people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's face it.  M$ does a pretty decent job, in that department.
>>>>>
>>>>>      No they don't. Dual bitness support in Windows is actually a bit
>>>>> of a pain really. It's the sort of thing that makes me appreciate
>>>>> Linux more.
>>>>
>>>> Name one 32-bit program which doesn't run in 64-bit Windows.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Paradox 5.0 for Windows, from 1994.  It's a Windows 3.x app.
>>> 
>>> It installed and ran fine in Win7 32-bit, but won't install at all in
>>> Win7 Pro 64-bit, no matter which 'Troubleshoot Compatibility' option is
>>> used.
>> 
>> It can't run on 64Bit windows. 64bit windows has a 32Bit-WoW  (windows on
>> windows) but no 16Bit Wow which was present in WinXP. So when you install
>> it in the WinXP compatability layer, it gets provided that missing WoW
> 
> Addition: If you install wine on a 64bit linux, it will run 64bit windows
> programs, 32bit programs and also 16bit windows programs. Wine has the 2
> different WoW modes

And most likely has more bugs.

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#286476

FromSlimer <slvrslmr@lv.c>
Date2015-03-28 14:15 -0400
Message-ID<mf6r2g$5c9$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#286455
On 2015-03-28 12:22 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
>> DFS wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/26/2015 5:30 PM, Slimer wrote:
>>>> On 2015-03-26 1:07 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>>> On 2015-03-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Slimer is lying. You can't even run Windows XP games on later
>>>>>>>> Windows...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your blanket statment is not even close to being correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For years corporations have avoided upgrading above Windows XP
>>>>>>> because of
>>>>>>> the nightmare of adopting their custom applications to Vista/7/8.x
>>>>>>> -- so,
>>>>>>> yeah, "Slimer" is full of Snit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it's more the move to 64 bit that can be a problem, and even
>>>>>> that hasn't been a problem, for most people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's face it.  M$ does a pretty decent job, in that department.
>>>>>
>>>>>       No they don't. Dual bitness support in Windows is actually a bit
>>>>> of a pain really. It's the sort of thing that makes me appreciate Linux
>>>>> more.
>>>>
>>>> Name one 32-bit program which doesn't run in 64-bit Windows.
>>>
>>>
>>> Paradox 5.0 for Windows, from 1994.  It's a Windows 3.x app.
>>>
>>> It installed and ran fine in Win7 32-bit, but won't install at all in
>>> Win7 Pro 64-bit, no matter which 'Troubleshoot Compatibility' option is
>>> used.
>>
>> It can't run on 64Bit windows. 64bit windows has a 32Bit-WoW  (windows on
>> windows) but no 16Bit Wow which was present in WinXP. So when you install
>> it in the WinXP compatability layer, it gets provided that missing WoW
>
> Addition: If you install wine on a 64bit linux, it will run 64bit windows
> programs, 32bit programs and also 16bit windows programs. Wine has the 2
> different WoW modes

Except that Wine DOESN'T run Windows software reliably despite your 
enormous amount of tap-dancing. There's a reason for the existence of 
the Wine app database. <https://appdb.winehq.org/>

Your lying never ends, does it, you fucking German joke?

-- 
Slimer
OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
Encrypt.

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#286475

FromSlimer <slvrslmr@lv.c>
Date2015-03-28 14:13 -0400
Message-ID<mf6qvd$5c9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#286454
On 2015-03-28 12:11 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> DFS wrote:
>
>> On 3/26/2015 5:30 PM, Slimer wrote:
>>> On 2015-03-26 1:07 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>> On 2015-03-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slimer is lying. You can't even run Windows XP games on later
>>>>>>> Windows...
>>>>>
>>>>> Your blanket statment is not even close to being correct.
>>>>>
>>>>>> For years corporations have avoided upgrading above Windows XP
>>>>>> because of
>>>>>> the nightmare of adopting their custom applications to Vista/7/8.x
>>>>>> -- so,
>>>>>> yeah, "Slimer" is full of Snit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's more the move to 64 bit that can be a problem, and even
>>>>> that hasn't been a problem, for most people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's face it.  M$ does a pretty decent job, in that department.
>>>>
>>>>       No they don't. Dual bitness support in Windows is actually a bit
>>>> of a pain really. It's the sort of thing that makes me appreciate Linux
>>>> more.
>>>
>>> Name one 32-bit program which doesn't run in 64-bit Windows.
>>
>>
>> Paradox 5.0 for Windows, from 1994.  It's a Windows 3.x app.
>>
>> It installed and ran fine in Win7 32-bit, but won't install at all in
>> Win7 Pro 64-bit, no matter which 'Troubleshoot Compatibility' option is
>> used.
>
> It can't run on 64Bit windows. 64bit windows has a 32Bit-WoW  (windows on
> windows) but no 16Bit Wow which was present in WinXP. So when you install it
> in the WinXP compatability layer, it gets provided that missing WoW

This is Klöwnmann's way of tap-dancing away from admitting that old 
Windows software indeed continues to function in newer versions of the 
software.

The same way that old Linux software will require the old versions of 
libraries or 32-bit libraries for that software to run, old Windows 
software will require a 16-bit compatibility layer. For the end-user, 
there is NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE no matter what idiots like you say.

DFS has essentially proven that as it relates to old Windows software, 
current versions DO INDEED find a way to make them work and that was the 
point. HOW it gets it done is inconsequential and was NEVER up for 
debate you ignorant, tap-dancing, goalpost-moving German joke.

-- 
Slimer
OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
Encrypt.

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#286318

FromGreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>
Date2015-03-26 19:14 -0600
Message-ID<b8GdnVs25YuEMonInZ2dnUU7-U-dnZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#286253
On 03/26/15 11:07, JEDIDIAH wrote:
> On 2015-03-26, chrisv<chrisv@nospam.invalid>  wrote:
>> ronb wrote:
>>
>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Slimer is lying. You can't even run Windows XP games on later Windows...
>>
>> Your blanket statment is not even close to being correct.
>>
>>> For years corporations have avoided upgrading above Windows XP because of
>>> the nightmare of adopting their custom applications to Vista/7/8.x -- so,
>>> yeah, "Slimer" is full of Snit.
>>
>> I think it's more the move to 64 bit that can be a problem, and even
>> that hasn't been a problem, for most people.
>>
>> Let's face it.  M$ does a pretty decent job, in that department.
>
>      No they don't. Dual bitness support in Windows is actually a bit of a
> pain really. It's the sort of thing that makes me appreciate Linux more.
>
No it isn't.  People that can't grok it under windows are just having a 
hissy fit because they can't grok it.
You work by the rules and you play by the rules... it is that simple.


-- 
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Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

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#286061

From"Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com>
Date2015-03-25 19:58 -0400
Message-ID<mevi18$3k0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#286050
>
>"Melzzzzz" <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote in message 
>news:20150326002400.4ea41097@maxa-pc...
>On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 23:35:47 +0100
>Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>> Slimer wrote:
>>
>> > On 2015-03-25 6:14 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> >> Slimer wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 2015-03-25 5:43 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> >>>> Slimer wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On 2015-03-25 5:00 PM, Ezekiel wrote:
>> >>>>>> "Melzzzzz" <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>> news:20150325190117.6ff30af2@maxa-pc...
>> >>>>>>> " The GNOME project has released GNOME 3.16, the latest
>> >>>>>>> version of GNOME 3. The new version is the result of six
>> >>>>>>> months work, and includes 33,525 changes by 1043 authors."
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Yeeeeey!
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> https://www.gnome.org/news/2015/03/gnome-3-16-released-2/
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> <quote>
>> >>>>>> History
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> GNOME was started in August 1997 by Miguel de Icaza and
>> >>>>>> Federico Mena as a free software project to develop a desktop
>> >>>>>> environment and applications for it
>> >>>>>> </quote>
>> >>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Miguel was speaking his mind once and said something that
>> >>>>>> wasn't flattering
>> >>>>>> about Linux.  So posers like Ahlstrom who have never
>> >>>>>> contributed anything to free software now consider him a
>> >>>>>> traitor.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> If I remember correctly, Miguel de Icaza eventually moved on to
>> >>>>> Mac OS X and abandoned Gnome and Linux entirely. Actually,
>> >>>>> let's see what Wikipedia has to say:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza#Preference_for_Mac_OS_X_over_Linux>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> "Preference for Mac OS X over Linux
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> In August 2012, de Icaza criticized the Linux desktop as
>> >>>>> "killed by Apple". De Icaza specifically criticized a generally
>> >>>>> developer-focused culture, lack of backward compatibility and
>> >>>>> fragmentation among the various Linux distributions.[18][19] In
>> >>>>> March 2013, de Icaza announced on his personal blog that he
>> >>>>> regularly used Mac OS X instead of Linux for desktop
>> >>>>> computing.[20]"
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> You know your operating system sucks when even one of its most
>> >>>>> important developers considers it to be unusable and adopts OS X
>> >>>>> instead.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Which is really hilarious if he cites "lack of backward
>> >>>> compatibility and fragmentation" is his reasons. Because OSX is
>> >>>> of all the OS the worst one in
>> >>>> these regards. By a very long shot. Even windows is far better
>> >>>> in these things. Not to mention linux, which is usually far
>> >>>> better than windows in backwards compatibility
>> >>>
>> >>> I agree with you and lack of backward compatibility is one of the
>> >>> many reasons I dislike anything Apple produces. Linux is only
>> >>> slightly better than OS X though: it's laughable how many
>> >>> applications will simply cease to work correctly because you
>> >>> updated one of the many packages it referred to
>> >>
>> >> Bullshit. Especially in linux it is extremely easy to provide
>> >> several libraries concurrently. Much easier than in both windows
>> >> and OSX
>> >
>> > It's _so_ hard in Windows that I can install software from the 90s
>> > or the early 2000s and know that it will work whereas I have to
>> > wrestle with dependencies in Linux. You clearly haven't used
>> > Windows since the mid-90s and just make shit up as you go along.
>> >
>> > You can even run Windows 3.1 apps in Windows 8 fairly easily. Hell,
>> > you can use the fucking MS-DOS Executive in Windows 8. You can't do
>> > that in Linux with apps from that era.
>> >
>> > Face it, Klöwn, Windows is better in every imaginable way.
>>
>> You have no idea at all about DLL-naming problems in windows
>>
>
>Slimer is lying. You can't even run Windows XP games on later
>Windows...
>

"You can't even run a few WinXP games on later Windows"  - is far more 
accurate.

With any OS you're not going to find 100% backward compatibility. But MS is 
generally excellent with being backward compatible.




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#286102

FromGreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>
Date2015-03-25 20:12 -0600
Message-ID<CeudnXogjZi89o7InZ2dnUU7-K2dnZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#286061
On 03/25/15 17:58, Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>> "Melzzzzz"<mel@zzzzz.com>  wrote in message
>> news:20150326002400.4ea41097@maxa-pc...
>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 23:35:47 +0100
>> Peter Köhlmann<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>  wrote:
>>
>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-03-25 6:14 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-03-25 5:43 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2015-03-25 5:00 PM, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Melzzzzz"<mel@zzzzz.com>  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:20150325190117.6ff30af2@maxa-pc...
>>>>>>>>>> " The GNOME project has released GNOME 3.16, the latest
>>>>>>>>>> version of GNOME 3. The new version is the result of six
>>>>>>>>>> months work, and includes 33,525 changes by 1043 authors."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeeeeey!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.gnome.org/news/2015/03/gnome-3-16-released-2/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <quote>
>>>>>>>>> History
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> GNOME was started in August 1997 by Miguel de Icaza and
>>>>>>>>> Federico Mena as a free software project to develop a desktop
>>>>>>>>> environment and applications for it
>>>>>>>>> </quote>
>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Miguel was speaking his mind once and said something that
>>>>>>>>> wasn't flattering
>>>>>>>>> about Linux.  So posers like Ahlstrom who have never
>>>>>>>>> contributed anything to free software now consider him a
>>>>>>>>> traitor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I remember correctly, Miguel de Icaza eventually moved on to
>>>>>>>> Mac OS X and abandoned Gnome and Linux entirely. Actually,
>>>>>>>> let's see what Wikipedia has to say:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza#Preference_for_Mac_OS_X_over_Linux>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Preference for Mac OS X over Linux
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In August 2012, de Icaza criticized the Linux desktop as
>>>>>>>> "killed by Apple". De Icaza specifically criticized a generally
>>>>>>>> developer-focused culture, lack of backward compatibility and
>>>>>>>> fragmentation among the various Linux distributions.[18][19] In
>>>>>>>> March 2013, de Icaza announced on his personal blog that he
>>>>>>>> regularly used Mac OS X instead of Linux for desktop
>>>>>>>> computing.[20]"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You know your operating system sucks when even one of its most
>>>>>>>> important developers considers it to be unusable and adopts OS X
>>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which is really hilarious if he cites "lack of backward
>>>>>>> compatibility and fragmentation" is his reasons. Because OSX is
>>>>>>> of all the OS the worst one in
>>>>>>> these regards. By a very long shot. Even windows is far better
>>>>>>> in these things. Not to mention linux, which is usually far
>>>>>>> better than windows in backwards compatibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with you and lack of backward compatibility is one of the
>>>>>> many reasons I dislike anything Apple produces. Linux is only
>>>>>> slightly better than OS X though: it's laughable how many
>>>>>> applications will simply cease to work correctly because you
>>>>>> updated one of the many packages it referred to
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit. Especially in linux it is extremely easy to provide
>>>>> several libraries concurrently. Much easier than in both windows
>>>>> and OSX
>>>>
>>>> It's _so_ hard in Windows that I can install software from the 90s
>>>> or the early 2000s and know that it will work whereas I have to
>>>> wrestle with dependencies in Linux. You clearly haven't used
>>>> Windows since the mid-90s and just make shit up as you go along.
>>>>
>>>> You can even run Windows 3.1 apps in Windows 8 fairly easily. Hell,
>>>> you can use the fucking MS-DOS Executive in Windows 8. You can't do
>>>> that in Linux with apps from that era.
>>>>
>>>> Face it, Klöwn, Windows is better in every imaginable way.
>>>
>>> You have no idea at all about DLL-naming problems in windows
>>>
>>
>> Slimer is lying. You can't even run Windows XP games on later
>> Windows...
>>
>
> "You can't even run a few WinXP games on later Windows"  - is far more
> accurate.
>
> With any OS you're not going to find 100% backward compatibility. But MS is
> generally excellent with being backward compatible.
>
>
>
>
>
Very few programs have problems in win7 or win8 from the XP days.
I'd put the blame soley on the program vendor for not following the 
rules.  I've got an old win95 program that will run on win7.


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could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
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#286133

FromSlimer <slvrslmr@lv.c>
Date2015-03-25 22:50 -0400
Message-ID<mevs4q$qfk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#286102
On 2015-03-25 10:12 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
> On 03/25/15 17:58, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>
>>> "Melzzzzz"<mel@zzzzz.com>  wrote in message
>>> news:20150326002400.4ea41097@maxa-pc...
>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 23:35:47 +0100
>>> Peter Köhlmann<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-03-25 6:14 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-03-25 5:43 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-03-25 5:00 PM, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Melzzzzz"<mel@zzzzz.com>  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:20150325190117.6ff30af2@maxa-pc...
>>>>>>>>>>> " The GNOME project has released GNOME 3.16, the latest
>>>>>>>>>>> version of GNOME 3. The new version is the result of six
>>>>>>>>>>> months work, and includes 33,525 changes by 1043 authors."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeeeeey!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.gnome.org/news/2015/03/gnome-3-16-released-2/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <quote>
>>>>>>>>>> History
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> GNOME was started in August 1997 by Miguel de Icaza and
>>>>>>>>>> Federico Mena as a free software project to develop a desktop
>>>>>>>>>> environment and applications for it
>>>>>>>>>> </quote>
>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Miguel was speaking his mind once and said something that
>>>>>>>>>> wasn't flattering
>>>>>>>>>> about Linux.  So posers like Ahlstrom who have never
>>>>>>>>>> contributed anything to free software now consider him a
>>>>>>>>>> traitor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I remember correctly, Miguel de Icaza eventually moved on to
>>>>>>>>> Mac OS X and abandoned Gnome and Linux entirely. Actually,
>>>>>>>>> let's see what Wikipedia has to say:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza#Preference_for_Mac_OS_X_over_Linux>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Preference for Mac OS X over Linux
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In August 2012, de Icaza criticized the Linux desktop as
>>>>>>>>> "killed by Apple". De Icaza specifically criticized a generally
>>>>>>>>> developer-focused culture, lack of backward compatibility and
>>>>>>>>> fragmentation among the various Linux distributions.[18][19] In
>>>>>>>>> March 2013, de Icaza announced on his personal blog that he
>>>>>>>>> regularly used Mac OS X instead of Linux for desktop
>>>>>>>>> computing.[20]"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You know your operating system sucks when even one of its most
>>>>>>>>> important developers considers it to be unusable and adopts OS X
>>>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which is really hilarious if he cites "lack of backward
>>>>>>>> compatibility and fragmentation" is his reasons. Because OSX is
>>>>>>>> of all the OS the worst one in
>>>>>>>> these regards. By a very long shot. Even windows is far better
>>>>>>>> in these things. Not to mention linux, which is usually far
>>>>>>>> better than windows in backwards compatibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with you and lack of backward compatibility is one of the
>>>>>>> many reasons I dislike anything Apple produces. Linux is only
>>>>>>> slightly better than OS X though: it's laughable how many
>>>>>>> applications will simply cease to work correctly because you
>>>>>>> updated one of the many packages it referred to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit. Especially in linux it is extremely easy to provide
>>>>>> several libraries concurrently. Much easier than in both windows
>>>>>> and OSX
>>>>>
>>>>> It's _so_ hard in Windows that I can install software from the 90s
>>>>> or the early 2000s and know that it will work whereas I have to
>>>>> wrestle with dependencies in Linux. You clearly haven't used
>>>>> Windows since the mid-90s and just make shit up as you go along.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can even run Windows 3.1 apps in Windows 8 fairly easily. Hell,
>>>>> you can use the fucking MS-DOS Executive in Windows 8. You can't do
>>>>> that in Linux with apps from that era.
>>>>>
>>>>> Face it, Klöwn, Windows is better in every imaginable way.
>>>>
>>>> You have no idea at all about DLL-naming problems in windows
>>>>
>>>
>>> Slimer is lying. You can't even run Windows XP games on later
>>> Windows...
>>>
>>
>> "You can't even run a few WinXP games on later Windows"  - is far more
>> accurate.
>>
>> With any OS you're not going to find 100% backward compatibility. But
>> MS is
>> generally excellent with being backward compatible.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Very few programs have problems in win7 or win8 from the XP days.
> I'd put the blame soley on the program vendor for not following the
> rules.  I've got an old win95 program that will run on win7.

I posted a video for Chris AssStorm that he'll conveniently ignore 
showing Windows 3.1, even Windows 1 and 2 applications running in 
Windows 8. The guy is a joke and his insistence that Windows can't do it 
is more evidence of his complete lack of honour.

-- 
Slimer
OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
Encrypt.

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#286163

FromGreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
Date2015-03-25 23:18 -0600
Message-ID<x8adnVy2e7oMC47InZ2dnUU7-K-dnZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#286133
Slimer wrote:

> On 2015-03-25 10:12 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>> On 03/25/15 17:58, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Melzzzzz"<mel@zzzzz.com>  wrote in message
>>>> news:20150326002400.4ea41097@maxa-pc...
>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 23:35:47 +0100
>>>> Peter Köhlmann<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-03-25 6:14 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2015-03-25 5:43 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-03-25 5:00 PM, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Melzzzzz"<mel@zzzzz.com>  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:20150325190117.6ff30af2@maxa-pc...
>>>>>>>>>>>> " The GNOME project has released GNOME 3.16, the latest
>>>>>>>>>>>> version of GNOME 3. The new version is the result of six
>>>>>>>>>>>> months work, and includes 33,525 changes by 1043 authors."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeeeeey!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.gnome.org/news/2015/03/gnome-3-16-released-2/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <quote>
>>>>>>>>>>> History
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> GNOME was started in August 1997 by Miguel de Icaza and
>>>>>>>>>>> Federico Mena as a free software project to develop a desktop
>>>>>>>>>>> environment and applications for it
>>>>>>>>>>> </quote>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Miguel was speaking his mind once and said something that
>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't flattering
>>>>>>>>>>> about Linux.  So posers like Ahlstrom who have never
>>>>>>>>>>> contributed anything to free software now consider him a
>>>>>>>>>>> traitor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If I remember correctly, Miguel de Icaza eventually moved on to
>>>>>>>>>> Mac OS X and abandoned Gnome and Linux entirely. Actually,
>>>>>>>>>> let's see what Wikipedia has to say:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza#Preference_for_Mac_OS_X_over_Linux>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Preference for Mac OS X over Linux
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In August 2012, de Icaza criticized the Linux desktop as
>>>>>>>>>> "killed by Apple". De Icaza specifically criticized a generally
>>>>>>>>>> developer-focused culture, lack of backward compatibility and
>>>>>>>>>> fragmentation among the various Linux distributions.[18][19] In
>>>>>>>>>> March 2013, de Icaza announced on his personal blog that he
>>>>>>>>>> regularly used Mac OS X instead of Linux for desktop
>>>>>>>>>> computing.[20]"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You know your operating system sucks when even one of its most
>>>>>>>>>> important developers considers it to be unusable and adopts OS X
>>>>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which is really hilarious if he cites "lack of backward
>>>>>>>>> compatibility and fragmentation" is his reasons. Because OSX is
>>>>>>>>> of all the OS the worst one in
>>>>>>>>> these regards. By a very long shot. Even windows is far better
>>>>>>>>> in these things. Not to mention linux, which is usually far
>>>>>>>>> better than windows in backwards compatibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree with you and lack of backward compatibility is one of the
>>>>>>>> many reasons I dislike anything Apple produces. Linux is only
>>>>>>>> slightly better than OS X though: it's laughable how many
>>>>>>>> applications will simply cease to work correctly because you
>>>>>>>> updated one of the many packages it referred to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit. Especially in linux it is extremely easy to provide
>>>>>>> several libraries concurrently. Much easier than in both windows
>>>>>>> and OSX
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's _so_ hard in Windows that I can install software from the 90s
>>>>>> or the early 2000s and know that it will work whereas I have to
>>>>>> wrestle with dependencies in Linux. You clearly haven't used
>>>>>> Windows since the mid-90s and just make shit up as you go along.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can even run Windows 3.1 apps in Windows 8 fairly easily. Hell,
>>>>>> you can use the fucking MS-DOS Executive in Windows 8. You can't do
>>>>>> that in Linux with apps from that era.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Face it, Klöwn, Windows is better in every imaginable way.
>>>>>
>>>>> You have no idea at all about DLL-naming problems in windows
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Slimer is lying. You can't even run Windows XP games on later
>>>> Windows...
>>>>
>>>
>>> "You can't even run a few WinXP games on later Windows"  - is far more
>>> accurate.
>>>
>>> With any OS you're not going to find 100% backward compatibility. But
>>> MS is
>>> generally excellent with being backward compatible.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Very few programs have problems in win7 or win8 from the XP days.
>> I'd put the blame soley on the program vendor for not following the
>> rules.  I've got an old win95 program that will run on win7.
> 
> I posted a video for Chris AssStorm that he'll conveniently ignore
> showing Windows 3.1, even Windows 1 and 2 applications running in
> Windows 8. The guy is a joke and his insistence that Windows can't do it
> is more evidence of his complete lack of honour.
> 

If any of these lusers had any brains and actually did program using MFC 
libs, they'd realize that the APIs have only been extended with newer 
features, but the earlier APIs will still work.  I've poked in a few older 
programs and compiled on Win7 and they still work fine.

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#286100

FromGreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>
Date2015-03-25 20:10 -0600
Message-ID<CeudnXggjZgH947InZ2dnUU7-K2dnZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#286050
On 03/25/15 17:24, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 23:35:47 +0100
> Peter Köhlmann<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>  wrote:
>
>> Slimer wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-03-25 6:14 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-03-25 5:43 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-03-25 5:00 PM, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Melzzzzz"<mel@zzzzz.com>  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:20150325190117.6ff30af2@maxa-pc...
>>>>>>>>> " The GNOME project has released GNOME 3.16, the latest
>>>>>>>>> version of GNOME 3. The new version is the result of six
>>>>>>>>> months work, and includes 33,525 changes by 1043 authors."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeeeeey!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.gnome.org/news/2015/03/gnome-3-16-released-2/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <quote>
>>>>>>>> History
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GNOME was started in August 1997 by Miguel de Icaza and
>>>>>>>> Federico Mena as a free software project to develop a desktop
>>>>>>>> environment and applications for it
>>>>>>>> </quote>
>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Miguel was speaking his mind once and said something that
>>>>>>>> wasn't flattering
>>>>>>>> about Linux.  So posers like Ahlstrom who have never
>>>>>>>> contributed anything to free software now consider him a
>>>>>>>> traitor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I remember correctly, Miguel de Icaza eventually moved on to
>>>>>>> Mac OS X and abandoned Gnome and Linux entirely. Actually,
>>>>>>> let's see what Wikipedia has to say:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza#Preference_for_Mac_OS_X_over_Linux>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Preference for Mac OS X over Linux
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In August 2012, de Icaza criticized the Linux desktop as
>>>>>>> "killed by Apple". De Icaza specifically criticized a generally
>>>>>>> developer-focused culture, lack of backward compatibility and
>>>>>>> fragmentation among the various Linux distributions.[18][19] In
>>>>>>> March 2013, de Icaza announced on his personal blog that he
>>>>>>> regularly used Mac OS X instead of Linux for desktop
>>>>>>> computing.[20]"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You know your operating system sucks when even one of its most
>>>>>>> important developers considers it to be unusable and adopts OS X
>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is really hilarious if he cites "lack of backward
>>>>>> compatibility and fragmentation" is his reasons. Because OSX is
>>>>>> of all the OS the worst one in
>>>>>> these regards. By a very long shot. Even windows is far better
>>>>>> in these things. Not to mention linux, which is usually far
>>>>>> better than windows in backwards compatibility
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with you and lack of backward compatibility is one of the
>>>>> many reasons I dislike anything Apple produces. Linux is only
>>>>> slightly better than OS X though: it's laughable how many
>>>>> applications will simply cease to work correctly because you
>>>>> updated one of the many packages it referred to
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. Especially in linux it is extremely easy to provide
>>>> several libraries concurrently. Much easier than in both windows
>>>> and OSX
>>>
>>> It's _so_ hard in Windows that I can install software from the 90s
>>> or the early 2000s and know that it will work whereas I have to
>>> wrestle with dependencies in Linux. You clearly haven't used
>>> Windows since the mid-90s and just make shit up as you go along.
>>>
>>> You can even run Windows 3.1 apps in Windows 8 fairly easily. Hell,
>>> you can use the fucking MS-DOS Executive in Windows 8. You can't do
>>> that in Linux with apps from that era.
>>>
>>> Face it, Klöwn, Windows is better in every imaginable way.
>>
>> You have no idea at all about DLL-naming problems in windows
>>
>
> Slimer is lying. You can't even run Windows XP games on later
> Windows...
>
Liar.


-- 
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

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