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  64.7% by 2017 vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-03-26 17:59 -0700
    Re: 64.7% by 2017 Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-26 21:07 -0400
      Re: 64.7% by 2017 GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-27 13:45 -0600
    Re: 64.7% by 2017 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-27 06:06 -0400
      Re: 64.7% by 2017 Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-27 12:25 -0400
      Re: 64.7% by 2017 GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-27 13:45 -0600
    Re: 64.7% by 2017 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-03-27 04:01 -0700
      Re: 64.7% by 2017 "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-27 12:46 -0400
        Re: 64.7% by 2017 Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-27 13:13 -0400
          Re: 64.7% by 2017 GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-27 13:44 -0600
            Re: 64.7% by 2017 "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-28 09:33 -0400
              Re: 64.7% by 2017 GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-28 11:14 -0600

#286315 — 64.7% by 2017

IoT (embedded) Linux adoption prediction:

https://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/818011-embedded-linux-keeps-growing-amid-iot-disruption-says-study

-- 
  -v

"I have waited to answer in the hope someone else would."

Husse Jul 31 2007

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#286316

On 2015-03-26 8:59 PM, vallor wrote:
> IoT (embedded) Linux adoption prediction:
>
> https://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/818011-embedded-linux-keeps-growing-amid-iot-disruption-says-study

Gee, a prediction of widespread success by Linux.com.

I'm shocked by the high number...

-- 
Slimer
OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
Encrypt.

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#286391

Slimer wrote:

> On 2015-03-26 8:59 PM, vallor wrote:
>> IoT (embedded) Linux adoption prediction:
>>
>> https://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/818011-embedded-
linux-keeps-growing-amid-iot-disruption-says-study
> 
> Gee, a prediction of widespread success by Linux.com.
> 
> I'm shocked by the high number...
> 
Now where have I heard predictions like this for the last 15 years?
LOL!!!

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#286336

vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> IoT (embedded) Linux adoption prediction:
>
> https://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/818011-embedded-linux-keeps-growing-amid-iot-disruption-says-study

   Microsoft's embedded future will depend in large part on how Windows 10
   fares in the embedded market beyond desktops. This week, the company
   revealed that Windows 10 will have a 6.6 GB smaller footprint than
   Windows 8, and will be available in a free, maker-oriented version
   designed for the Internet of Things. This Windows for Devices/IoT, or
   Windows 10 IoT, will not only run on the Raspberry Pi 2, but also two
   other open Linux boards: Intel's MinnowBoard Max (Intel Atom) and the
   Qualcomm Dragonboard 410c (Snapdragon 410).

6.6 Gb smaller?  That would shrink a basic Linux install down to nothing.

Not that I care about Windows :-D

-- 
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		-- Confucius

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#286353

On 2015-03-27 6:06 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> IoT (embedded) Linux adoption prediction:
>>
>> https://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/818011-embedded-linux-keeps-growing-amid-iot-disruption-says-study
>
>     Microsoft's embedded future will depend in large part on how Windows 10
>     fares in the embedded market beyond desktops. This week, the company
>     revealed that Windows 10 will have a 6.6 GB smaller footprint than
>     Windows 8, and will be available in a free, maker-oriented version
>     designed for the Internet of Things. This Windows for Devices/IoT, or
>     Windows 10 IoT, will not only run on the Raspberry Pi 2, but also two
>     other open Linux boards: Intel's MinnowBoard Max (Intel Atom) and the
>     Qualcomm Dragonboard 410c (Snapdragon 410).
>
> 6.6 Gb smaller?  That would shrink a basic Linux install down to nothing.
>
> Not that I care about Windows :-D

Of course not, you only talk about in every one of your posts and 
probably include it in your dreams of a naked Wretched Stallman.

Windows takes space because it provides decent software and access to 
even better stock. Linux provides nothing but headaches. Whether it's 30 
megs for 30 gigs makes no difference considering how awful it is.


-- 
Slimer
OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
Encrypt.

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#286390

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
> 
>> IoT (embedded) Linux adoption prediction:
>>
>> https://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/818011-embedded-
linux-keeps-growing-amid-iot-disruption-says-study
> 
>    Microsoft's embedded future will depend in large part on how Windows 10
>    fares in the embedded market beyond desktops. This week, the company
>    revealed that Windows 10 will have a 6.6 GB smaller footprint than
>    Windows 8, and will be available in a free, maker-oriented version
>    designed for the Internet of Things. This Windows for Devices/IoT, or
>    Windows 10 IoT, will not only run on the Raspberry Pi 2, but also two
>    other open Linux boards: Intel's MinnowBoard Max (Intel Atom) and the
>    Qualcomm Dragonboard 410c (Snapdragon 410).
> 
> 6.6 Gb smaller?  That would shrink a basic Linux install down to nothing.
> 
> Not that I care about Windows :-D
> 

Just your paycheck for supporting windows, eh?

Guffaw!!!

But the vast majority don't even care about lienux.

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#286339

vallor wrote:
> IoT (embedded) Linux adoption prediction:
> 
> <https://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/818011-embedded-linux-keeps-growing-amid-iot-disruption-says-study>

The lines on that graph look quite flat, despite the language of "surging open source Linux growth".

But be that as it may, the narrative also mentions that this report excluded 
cellphones, which suggests that the embedded market really being discussed
here are widgets like routers, Raspberry Pi's, Wifi cameras and the rest of the
'Internet of Things', right?  

If so, the basic question here also is if this a market which will be filled with tons 
of cheap units which essentially follow principles of "commodity goods" once again?  


-hh

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#286356

"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message 
news:7dd4550d-c719-4ccf-a5ee-87f382b80716@googlegroups.com...
> vallor wrote:
>> IoT (embedded) Linux adoption prediction:
>>
>> <https://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/818011-embedded-linux-keeps-growing-amid-iot-disruption-says-study>
>
> The lines on that graph look quite flat, despite the language of "surging 
> open source Linux growth".
>

I find the entire prediction amusing.

They're predicting that it will be "64.7%" by 2017.

They're not predicting 65% or predicting that it'll be over 60%. They're not 
even predicting that it will be "nearly 2/3rds" by 2017.

The prediction is for exactly "64.7%"


> But be that as it may, the narrative also mentions that this report 
> excluded
> cellphones, which suggests that the embedded market really being discussed
> here are widgets like routers, Raspberry Pi's, Wifi cameras and the rest 
> of the
> 'Internet of Things', right?
>
> If so, the basic question here also is if this a market which will be 
> filled with tons
> of cheap units which essentially follow principles of "commodity goods" 
> once again?
>

All of the things you mentioned (routers, wifi cameras, etc) are already 
commodity items in my opinion.

There are some commercial grade units available that sell at a more 
profitable price point but nearly all of the consumer devices are already 
dirt cheap.

-- 
"Knowing 'Word or Excel' is a hindrance."
The "Hardon" advocate
(now "Crabbit Bampot")
(now some other nym)

28 Mar 2012 19:37:14
<KLJcr.103621$4c4.97437@news.usenetserver.com>

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#286358

On 2015-03-27 12:46 PM, Ezekiel wrote:
> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> news:7dd4550d-c719-4ccf-a5ee-87f382b80716@googlegroups.com...
>> vallor wrote:
>>> IoT (embedded) Linux adoption prediction:
>>>
>>> <https://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/818011-embedded-linux-keeps-growing-amid-iot-disruption-says-study>
>>
>> The lines on that graph look quite flat, despite the language of "surging
>> open source Linux growth".
>>
>
> I find the entire prediction amusing.
>
> They're predicting that it will be "64.7%" by 2017.
>
> They're not predicting 65% or predicting that it'll be over 60%. They're not
> even predicting that it will be "nearly 2/3rds" by 2017.
>
> The prediction is for exactly "64.7%"

When you have no credibility, you can make grandiose and incredibly 
accurate predictions based on the overwhelming lack of evidence as much 
as you want. Fat ass 7 does this all the time.

< snip >

-- 
Slimer
OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
Encrypt.

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#286389

Slimer wrote:

> On 2015-03-27 12:46 PM, Ezekiel wrote:
>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>> news:7dd4550d-c719-4ccf-a5ee-87f382b80716@googlegroups.com...
>>> vallor wrote:
>>>> IoT (embedded) Linux adoption prediction:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/818011-
embedded-linux-keeps-growing-amid-iot-disruption-says-study>
>>>
>>> The lines on that graph look quite flat, despite the language of
>>> "surging open source Linux growth".
>>>
>>
>> I find the entire prediction amusing.
>>
>> They're predicting that it will be "64.7%" by 2017.
>>
>> They're not predicting 65% or predicting that it'll be over 60%. They're
>> not even predicting that it will be "nearly 2/3rds" by 2017.
>>
>> The prediction is for exactly "64.7%"
> 
> When you have no credibility, you can make grandiose and incredibly
> accurate predictions based on the overwhelming lack of evidence as much
> as you want. Fat ass 7 does this all the time.
> 
> < snip >
> 
Besides, isn't the article written by a linux shill?

They have no credibility.
But Oracles website is claiming that over a billion devices are running 
Java.
At least that is one claim I can believe from Oracle because that was the 
original intent of Java.

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#286440

"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message 
news:EeKdnZoUN4KdLojInZ2dnUU7-W2dnZ2d@bresnan.com...
> Slimer wrote:
>
>> On 2015-03-27 12:46 PM, Ezekiel wrote:
>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7dd4550d-c719-4ccf-a5ee-87f382b80716@googlegroups.com...
>>>> vallor wrote:
>>>>> IoT (embedded) Linux adoption prediction:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/818011-
> embedded-linux-keeps-growing-amid-iot-disruption-says-study>
>>>>
>>>> The lines on that graph look quite flat, despite the language of
>>>> "surging open source Linux growth".
>>>>
>>>
>>> I find the entire prediction amusing.
>>>
>>> They're predicting that it will be "64.7%" by 2017.
>>>
>>> They're not predicting 65% or predicting that it'll be over 60%. They're
>>> not even predicting that it will be "nearly 2/3rds" by 2017.
>>>
>>> The prediction is for exactly "64.7%"
>>
>> When you have no credibility, you can make grandiose and incredibly
>> accurate predictions based on the overwhelming lack of evidence as much
>> as you want. Fat ass 7 does this all the time.
>>
>> < snip >
>>
> Besides, isn't the article written by a linux shill?
>
> They have no credibility.
> But Oracles website is claiming that over a billion devices are running
> Java.
> At least that is one claim I can believe from Oracle because that was the
> original intent of Java.
>

It's way over 1 billion Java devices. It was 3x that number back in 2012. 
There's a lot of Java out there.

<quote>
JavaOne 2012 Review: Make the Future Java
by Steve Meloan
Published October 2012

The repeated theme for this year's conference was "Make the Future Java," 
and according to recent stats, the groundwork is already firmly in place:

* There are 9 million Java developers worldwide.

*****************************
* Three billion devices run Java.
*****************************

* Five billion Java Cards are in use.

* One hundred percent of Blu-ray Disc players ship with Java.

* Ninety-seven percent of enterprise desktops run Java.

* Eighty-nine percent of PC desktops run Java.

</quote>
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/articles/java/javaone12review-1863742.html


-- 
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*** 9 hours *** later when everything was done, it still showed one hours 
battery life remaining !

It was powering the external 1TB hard drive the whole time.

Terry Porter and yet another miracle Linux device. Run Linux on a netbook 
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#286469

Ezekiel wrote:

> 
> "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
> news:EeKdnZoUN4KdLojInZ2dnUU7-W2dnZ2d@bresnan.com...
>> Slimer wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-03-27 12:46 PM, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:7dd4550d-c719-4ccf-a5ee-87f382b80716@googlegroups.com...
>>>>> vallor wrote:
>>>>>> IoT (embedded) Linux adoption prediction:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/818011-
>> embedded-linux-keeps-growing-amid-iot-disruption-says-study>
>>>>>
>>>>> The lines on that graph look quite flat, despite the language of
>>>>> "surging open source Linux growth".
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I find the entire prediction amusing.
>>>>
>>>> They're predicting that it will be "64.7%" by 2017.
>>>>
>>>> They're not predicting 65% or predicting that it'll be over 60%.
>>>> They're not even predicting that it will be "nearly 2/3rds" by 2017.
>>>>
>>>> The prediction is for exactly "64.7%"
>>>
>>> When you have no credibility, you can make grandiose and incredibly
>>> accurate predictions based on the overwhelming lack of evidence as much
>>> as you want. Fat ass 7 does this all the time.
>>>
>>> < snip >
>>>
>> Besides, isn't the article written by a linux shill?
>>
>> They have no credibility.
>> But Oracles website is claiming that over a billion devices are running
>> Java.
>> At least that is one claim I can believe from Oracle because that was the
>> original intent of Java.
>>
> 
> It's way over 1 billion Java devices. It was 3x that number back in 2012.
> There's a lot of Java out there.
> 
> <quote>
> JavaOne 2012 Review: Make the Future Java
> by Steve Meloan
> Published October 2012
> 
> The repeated theme for this year's conference was "Make the Future Java,"
> and according to recent stats, the groundwork is already firmly in place:
> 
> * There are 9 million Java developers worldwide.
> 
> *****************************
> * Three billion devices run Java.
> *****************************
> 
> * Five billion Java Cards are in use.
> 
> * One hundred percent of Blu-ray Disc players ship with Java.
> 
> * Ninety-seven percent of enterprise desktops run Java.
> 
> * Eighty-nine percent of PC desktops run Java.
> 
> </quote>
> 
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/articles/java/javaone12review-1863742.html
> 
> 

That is pretty much what I've read for a long time.
So it appears that the lincultists think that a device must be running 
embedded Linux, when in fact it is not.  I believe the original java moniker 
was called Oakridge or something like that a long time ago when it was first 
developed.

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