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| Started by | Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-11-12 04:49 -0800 |
| Last post | 2018-11-12 12:53 -0500 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 164 — 8 participants |
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Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 04:49 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 05:11 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 07:42 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 08:01 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-12 16:19 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 08:32 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 01:04 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 17:17 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 17:24 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 17:55 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 21:51 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 02:02 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 18:27 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 01:34 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 18:21 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 18:58 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 21:35 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 13:04 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 07:35 -0600
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 14:00 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 07:17 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:49 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 08:51 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 17:26 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 10:11 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 10:38 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 20:05 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 13:22 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 14:47 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 23:46 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 16:19 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 18:32 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 18:54 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-14 03:56 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 10:52 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 20:01 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 12:44 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 13:00 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 13:31 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-14 00:02 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 18:43 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-14 04:12 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 08:01 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-14 18:28 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 11:22 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-14 19:47 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 12:07 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-14 20:29 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 12:59 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-14 21:44 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 13:53 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 14:18 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 15:07 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 02:03 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 20:01 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 04:17 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 20:42 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 04:58 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 07:49 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 08:21 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 16:31 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 09:00 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 17:30 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 09:50 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 18:04 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 10:58 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 20:25 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 13:04 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 20:25 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 11:17 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 08:59 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 13:02 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 17:42 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 09:51 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 18:01 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 10:06 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 20:42 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 17:06 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 22:31 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 17:34 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 22:49 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 18:04 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 15:24 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 18:56 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 16:11 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 14:53 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 14:57 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 18:17 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 15:24 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 14:48 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 23:24 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 18:25 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 15:31 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 23:33 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 15:45 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 00:02 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 16:14 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 00:26 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 16:43 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 00:56 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 17:16 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 01:28 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 21:22 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 22:55 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 17:44 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 19:49 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 22:24 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 19:42 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 00:48 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 19:54 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 17:12 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 16:55 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 20:09 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 17:12 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 21:37 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 08:22 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-16 11:49 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 17:28 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 09:29 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 09:04 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 11:55 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 08:53 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 09:50 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 17:08 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 09:53 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 18:11 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 10:49 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-16 13:06 -0600
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 11:09 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 19:33 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 11:35 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 19:43 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-16 19:00 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 17:25 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 09:08 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 19:29 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 12:01 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 20:21 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 12:27 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 13:52 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 14:02 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 23:23 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 08:56 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 10:52 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-16 13:23 -0700
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 11:55 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 13:09 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 10:59 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 17:07 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-14 16:43 -0700
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 12:50 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 11:51 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 20:13 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 21:14 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-14 09:51 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 07:23 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 08:49 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 11:19 -0600
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 06:44 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 05:41 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 17:23 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-12 12:40 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 09:49 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-12 12:53 -0500
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-17 11:55 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <95803add-5ad1-49d6-84dd-5f2548a36f87@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477821 |
On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 10:04:32 AM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote: > On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 9:50:09 AM UTC-7, DFS wrote: > > On 11/16/2018 11:22 AM, Steve Carroll wrote: > > > On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 6:09:47 PM UTC-7, DFS wrote: > > >> On 11/15/2018 7:55 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: > > >>> On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 5:43:20 PM UTC-7, DFS wrote: > > >>>> On 11/15/2018 7:02 PM, owl wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> I have only one question: Who created the most iconic guitar riff in > > >>>>> history? :) > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Probably Ritchie Blackmore (Smoke on the Water). > > >>> > > >>> He 'created' it the way a retarded kid would create a riff, > > >>> Beethoven's 5th backward but that's all he got out of it... > > >> > > >> Very inspired, actually. > > > > > > LOL! Spare me... and that whole 'backwards Beethoven' bit RB > > > likes to tell is a huge pile of crap. > > > > How do you know he's lying? > > > That something is a pile of crap (IOW, not true) doesn't necessarily > mean anyone is lying. I can play you a jazz tune, the name of which > escapes me now, where you'd bet your house that they're playing > 'Rikki Don't Lose That Number'. The point is that sometimes people > 'write' tunes coming out of their subconscious. Oh goodness, that is just tons of rot. After Klaus Schadenfreude's update I no longer can get work done on Linux. Like anyone can! Did Owl think that was clever? -- Do not click this link! https://youtu.be/m37dF5X2S-4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZNxaaKD7-c http://www.5z8.info/myspace-of-sex_q7q7zl_instant-purchase Jonas Eklundh
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-16 08:53 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <4910289e-75a9-4654-9ce2-65f2648b0efd@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477661 |
On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 9:22:51 AM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote: > To be fair, Gilberto almost assuredly didn't 'create' the riff, but he's Typo: "he's" should read: "she's" (cue up a loon calling me sexist for this... hey, she didn't look that 'womanly' back then ;)
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-16 09:50 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2b9321cf-b8ef-4687-8e2f-b8fe4332133b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477672 |
On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 9:53:59 AM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote: > On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 9:22:51 AM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote: > > > To be fair, Gilberto almost assuredly didn't 'create' the riff, but he's > > Typo: "he's" should read: "she's" > > (cue up a loon calling me sexist for this... hey, she didn't look that > 'womanly' back then ;) He is as incompetent as Klaus Schadenfreude. My view is correct. Always correct. This forum is a septic tank. He inconveniences multiple groups of people who become collateral damage, but that's a narcissist for you. What Steve Carroll and I care about isn't a factor. It's like a prank call. Klaus Schadenfreude has already decided what he is going to say before he calls. What you say does not matter. What Steve Carroll says does not matter. Contrary to Klaus Schadenfreude's claim that he has "no skill in making automated posts" (a lie as demonstrated by the fact that he slammed Steve Carroll's site) he was quoted asking programmers how they would take down a website. -- Curious how these posts are made? www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZNxaaKD7-c
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-16 17:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <kzb0z8b023.guy3@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #477661 |
Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 6:09:47 PM UTC-7, DFS wrote: >> On 11/15/2018 7:55 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: >> > On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 5:43:20 PM UTC-7, DFS wrote: >> >> On 11/15/2018 7:02 PM, owl wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> I have only one question: Who created the most iconic guitar riff in >> >>> history? :) >> >> >> >> >> >> Probably Ritchie Blackmore (Smoke on the Water). >> > >> > He 'created' it the way a retarded kid would create a riff, >> > Beethoven's 5th backward but that's all he got out of it... >> >> Very inspired, actually. > > LOL! Spare me... and that whole 'backwards Beethoven' bit RB > likes to tell is a huge pile of crap. > >> > and people gave him the ol' blue ribbon and they're still >> > patting him on the head ;) >> >> As well they should; it's a GREAT guitar riff. > > It was a better (Brazilian Jazz) piano riff in '66: > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvXxlXg_V-k&list=PL95RkxkasyRII1PBzjl4AS88PW0drDufd> > >> >> > Here's the Monty Python version... >> > >> > Blackmore: Look, I 'created' I, IV, V! >> > >> > (crowd laughs heartily) >> > >> > A men yells, no you didn't! Now sit down! >> > >> > (crowd laughter tapers off...) >> > >> > Blackmore: But I'm playing it using 4ths, no one ever used fourths! >> > >> > (crowd laughs uproariously) >> > >> > The same man: Like hell they haven't, Jazzers live by it! >> > >> > Blackmore: (stammering)... well... I.... I'm using a... a 1/2 step at one point. >> > >> > (crowd goes into hysterics) >> > >> > The man: You silly sod, ya didn't 'create' chromaticism, either! Now buzz off! >> >> >> Jazzers don't laugh - they > > ... create, only to have their sh*t plagiarized Where did he steal this part? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k91ZYULpkRY&t=2m56s > by lopping off a > little rhythmic flair and playing loudly through the distorted amp > of a drunken British bonehead who disses people he can't > compete with ;) > Yeah, he can't compete. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCp9n4_zUfA > To be fair, Gilberto almost assuredly didn't 'create' the riff, but he's > not claiming to have; sounds like that have a history in the music > (yes, jazz) of that area during that era. Ritchie can make you reach for earplugs with the best of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INYEVrS25FI
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-16 09:53 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <24797978-5571-43e0-9067-9158955b8675@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477678 |
On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 10:08:14 AM UTC-7, owl wrote: > Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 6:09:47 PM UTC-7, DFS wrote: > >> On 11/15/2018 7:55 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: > >> > On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 5:43:20 PM UTC-7, DFS wrote: > >> >> On 11/15/2018 7:02 PM, owl wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> I have only one question: Who created the most iconic guitar riff in > >> >>> history? :) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Probably Ritchie Blackmore (Smoke on the Water). > >> > > >> > He 'created' it the way a retarded kid would create a riff, > >> > Beethoven's 5th backward but that's all he got out of it... > >> > >> Very inspired, actually. > > > > LOL! Spare me... and that whole 'backwards Beethoven' bit RB > > likes to tell is a huge pile of crap. > > > >> > and people gave him the ol' blue ribbon and they're still > >> > patting him on the head ;) > >> > >> As well they should; it's a GREAT guitar riff. > > > > It was a better (Brazilian Jazz) piano riff in '66: > > > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvXxlXg_V-k&list=PL95RkxkasyRII1PBzjl4AS88PW0drDufd> > > > >> > >> > Here's the Monty Python version... > >> > > >> > Blackmore: Look, I 'created' I, IV, V! > >> > > >> > (crowd laughs heartily) > >> > > >> > A men yells, no you didn't! Now sit down! > >> > > >> > (crowd laughter tapers off...) > >> > > >> > Blackmore: But I'm playing it using 4ths, no one ever used fourths! > >> > > >> > (crowd laughs uproariously) > >> > > >> > The same man: Like hell they haven't, Jazzers live by it! > >> > > >> > Blackmore: (stammering)... well... I.... I'm using a... a 1/2 step at one point. > >> > > >> > (crowd goes into hysterics) > >> > > >> > The man: You silly sod, ya didn't 'create' chromaticism, either! Now buzz off! > >> > >> > >> Jazzers don't laugh - they > > > > ... create, only to have their sh*t plagiarized > > Where did he steal this part? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k91ZYULpkRY&t=2m56s Is that a serious question? Clapton all the way, who got it from ol' blues players. If you can't hear the connection then you haven't listened to enough early EC. RB didn't even use vibrato until he started listening to EC, he openly admits that. He did not pay his blues dues to the extent that many of his local peers did and it comes out in his playing. He did what I did early on, spent more time on scales, way more, to the detriment of other stuff. > > by lopping off a > > little rhythmic flair and playing loudly through the distorted amp > > of a drunken British bonehead who disses people he can't > > compete with ;) > > > > Yeah, he can't compete. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCp9n4_zUfA I've heard this... he competes well... with many of the YouTubers ;) > > To be fair, Gilberto almost assuredly didn't 'create' the riff, but he's > > not claiming to have; sounds like that have a history in the music > > (yes, jazz) of that area during that era. > > Ritchie can make you reach for earplugs with the best of them. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INYEVrS25FI This is actually an example of what I've been talking about.... he's stiff as can be, which is weird because he has no need to be. And I can tell you why he is... like you, in his mind he's thinking 'jazz', which misses the point as to what jazz actually is. But he's very clearly out of his element and this is what happens when you're tapped, knowledge-wise. Look, I'm not knocking him, he's a great player but, to me, he's not what you're trying to sell him as.
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-16 18:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <az9xb0803ga.g3@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #477687 |
Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 10:08:14 AM UTC-7, owl wrote: >> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 6:09:47 PM UTC-7, DFS wrote: >> >> On 11/15/2018 7:55 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: >> >> > On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 5:43:20 PM UTC-7, DFS wrote: >> >> >> On 11/15/2018 7:02 PM, owl wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> I have only one question: Who created the most iconic guitar riff in >> >> >>> history? :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Probably Ritchie Blackmore (Smoke on the Water). >> >> > >> >> > He 'created' it the way a retarded kid would create a riff, >> >> > Beethoven's 5th backward but that's all he got out of it... >> >> >> >> Very inspired, actually. >> > >> > LOL! Spare me... and that whole 'backwards Beethoven' bit RB >> > likes to tell is a huge pile of crap. >> > >> >> > and people gave him the ol' blue ribbon and they're still >> >> > patting him on the head ;) >> >> >> >> As well they should; it's a GREAT guitar riff. >> > >> > It was a better (Brazilian Jazz) piano riff in '66: >> > >> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvXxlXg_V-k&list=PL95RkxkasyRII1PBzjl4AS88PW0drDufd> >> > >> >> >> >> > Here's the Monty Python version... >> >> > >> >> > Blackmore: Look, I 'created' I, IV, V! >> >> > >> >> > (crowd laughs heartily) >> >> > >> >> > A men yells, no you didn't! Now sit down! >> >> > >> >> > (crowd laughter tapers off...) >> >> > >> >> > Blackmore: But I'm playing it using 4ths, no one ever used fourths! >> >> > >> >> > (crowd laughs uproariously) >> >> > >> >> > The same man: Like hell they haven't, Jazzers live by it! >> >> > >> >> > Blackmore: (stammering)... well... I.... I'm using a... a 1/2 step at one point. >> >> > >> >> > (crowd goes into hysterics) >> >> > >> >> > The man: You silly sod, ya didn't 'create' chromaticism, either! Now buzz off! >> >> >> >> >> >> Jazzers don't laugh - they >> > >> > ... create, only to have their sh*t plagiarized >> >> Where did he steal this part? >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k91ZYULpkRY&t=2m56s > > Is that a serious question? Clapton all the way, who got it from ol' > blues players. If you can't hear the connection then you haven't > listened to enough early EC. RB didn't even use vibrato until he > started listening to EC, he openly admits that. He did not pay his > blues dues to the extent that many of his local peers did and it > comes out in his playing. He did what I did early on, spent more > time on scales, way more, to the detriment of other stuff. > Yeah right. Point to the melody that is stolen. Style is not something that can be "plagiarized." >> > by lopping off a >> > little rhythmic flair and playing loudly through the distorted amp >> > of a drunken British bonehead who disses people he can't >> > compete with ;) >> > >> >> Yeah, he can't compete. >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCp9n4_zUfA > > I've heard this... he competes well... with many of the YouTubers ;) > LOL. >> > To be fair, Gilberto almost assuredly didn't 'create' the riff, but he's >> > not claiming to have; sounds like that have a history in the music >> > (yes, jazz) of that area during that era. >> >> Ritchie can make you reach for earplugs with the best of them. >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INYEVrS25FI > > This is actually an example of what I've been talking about.... he's > stiff as can be, which is weird because he has no need to be. And I > can tell you why he is... like you, in his mind he's thinking 'jazz', > which misses the point as to what jazz actually is. But he's very > clearly out of his element and this is what happens when you're > tapped, knowledge-wise. Look, I'm not knocking him, he's a great > player but, to me, he's not what you're trying to sell him as. > It was apparently some off-the-cuff jam session. I hate that sound, but to me it's about like the typical Daddio stuff used as a movie soundtracks when you have a pretentious director.
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-16 10:49 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <32d8e627-f47b-45b1-845d-a34a75137023@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477690 |
On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 11:11:52 AM UTC-7, owl wrote: > Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 10:08:14 AM UTC-7, owl wrote: > >> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 6:09:47 PM UTC-7, DFS wrote: > >> >> On 11/15/2018 7:55 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: > >> >> > On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 5:43:20 PM UTC-7, DFS wrote: > >> >> >> On 11/15/2018 7:02 PM, owl wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >>> I have only one question: Who created the most iconic guitar riff in > >> >> >>> history? :) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Probably Ritchie Blackmore (Smoke on the Water). > >> >> > > >> >> > He 'created' it the way a retarded kid would create a riff, > >> >> > Beethoven's 5th backward but that's all he got out of it... > >> >> > >> >> Very inspired, actually. > >> > > >> > LOL! Spare me... and that whole 'backwards Beethoven' bit RB > >> > likes to tell is a huge pile of crap. > >> > > >> >> > and people gave him the ol' blue ribbon and they're still > >> >> > patting him on the head ;) > >> >> > >> >> As well they should; it's a GREAT guitar riff. > >> > > >> > It was a better (Brazilian Jazz) piano riff in '66: > >> > > >> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvXxlXg_V-k&list=PL95RkxkasyRII1PBzjl4AS88PW0drDufd> > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Here's the Monty Python version... > >> >> > > >> >> > Blackmore: Look, I 'created' I, IV, V! > >> >> > > >> >> > (crowd laughs heartily) > >> >> > > >> >> > A men yells, no you didn't! Now sit down! > >> >> > > >> >> > (crowd laughter tapers off...) > >> >> > > >> >> > Blackmore: But I'm playing it using 4ths, no one ever used fourths! > >> >> > > >> >> > (crowd laughs uproariously) > >> >> > > >> >> > The same man: Like hell they haven't, Jazzers live by it! > >> >> > > >> >> > Blackmore: (stammering)... well... I.... I'm using a... a 1/2 step at one point. > >> >> > > >> >> > (crowd goes into hysterics) > >> >> > > >> >> > The man: You silly sod, ya didn't 'create' chromaticism, either! Now buzz off! > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Jazzers don't laugh - they > >> > > >> > ... create, only to have their sh*t plagiarized > >> > >> Where did he steal this part? > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k91ZYULpkRY&t=2m56s > > > > Is that a serious question? Clapton all the way, who got it from ol' > > blues players. If you can't hear the connection then you haven't > > listened to enough early EC. RB didn't even use vibrato until he > > started listening to EC, he openly admits that. He did not pay his > > blues dues to the extent that many of his local peers did and it > > comes out in his playing. He did what I did early on, spent more > > time on scales, way more, to the detriment of other stuff. > > > > Yeah right. Point to the melody that is stolen. Melody? LOL! Those are basic blues licks (largely pentatonic), of the type that, literally, fall right under your fingers. This solo is positionally played... so the limit of the contour of his lines is readily apparent. Look, take the 'song' out of it for a second and listen to this solo (try to ignore how the drums are trashing the first part). Here's what a sense of "melody" sounds like in a blues... (SOTW is a blues): <https://youtu.be/QHgwJdTJjG0?t=157> Note it's not just melody, he's also using a bunch of techniques. He's using different tones, dynamics, various rhythmic devices in the single note playing and in the chord melody playing, etc. There's a sense of movement to the solo, a 'story' as it moves along. Ford is melodically fluent *all* over the neck, yes he'll play 'positions', too, but you'd never know it to listen to him. The lines are seamless, like a sax player's lines, he's playing *music*, not just pentatonic guitar licks that are available in the spot he's playing in. At 4:22 notice how he brings his part down and then blasts wide open. RB's SOTW "melody" sounds monotone compared to that sh*t. If you tell me you can't hear it you're either being purposefully obtuse or you're hopeless. > Style is not something that can be "plagiarized." Are you using "style" in place of "emotion" now? How much EC have you listened... and I mean the long assed jams out there? Listen to enough and you'll see what's what. > >> > by lopping off a > >> > little rhythmic flair and playing loudly through the distorted amp > >> > of a drunken British bonehead who disses people he can't > >> > compete with ;) > >> > > >> > >> Yeah, he can't compete. > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCp9n4_zUfA > > > > I've heard this... he competes well... with many of the YouTubers ;) > > > > LOL. > > >> > To be fair, Gilberto almost assuredly didn't 'create' the riff, but he's > >> > not claiming to have; sounds like that have a history in the music > >> > (yes, jazz) of that area during that era. > >> > >> Ritchie can make you reach for earplugs with the best of them. > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INYEVrS25FI > > > > This is actually an example of what I've been talking about.... he's > > stiff as can be, which is weird because he has no need to be. And I > > can tell you why he is... like you, in his mind he's thinking 'jazz', > > which misses the point as to what jazz actually is. But he's very > > clearly out of his element and this is what happens when you're > > tapped, knowledge-wise. Look, I'm not knocking him, he's a great > > player but, to me, he's not what you're trying to sell him as. > > > > It was apparently some off-the-cuff jam session. I hate that sound, It's not just the sound, he's stiff, far more so than other stuff you've heard him play. Surely you can hear that, eh? > but to me it's about like the typical Daddio stuff used as a movie > soundtracks when you have a pretentious director.
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-16 13:06 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <e25uuddrfjqvir8d0ruhsjb85e6hsdv15n@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #477696 |
Steve Carroll wrote: >Melody? LOL! Those are basic blues licks (largely pentatonic), >of the type that, literally, fall right under your fingers. This solo >is positionally played... so the limit of the contour of his lines >is readily apparent. What's your opinion on Lindsey Buckingham? He impresses me... -- "The Linux community is too divided and there is not a clear leader or example of Linux which convinces people to come over to Linux land." - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-16 11:09 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10595940-15c2-436c-84c1-7e81dc586158@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477699 |
On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 12:06:40 PM UTC-7, chrisv wrote: > Steve Carroll wrote: > > >Melody? LOL! Those are basic blues licks (largely pentatonic), > >of the type that, literally, fall right under your fingers. This solo > >is positionally played... so the limit of the contour of his lines > >is readily apparent. > > What's your opinion on Lindsey Buckingham? He impresses me... > > -- > "The Linux community is too divided and there is not a clear leader or > example of Linux which convinces people to come over to Linux land." > - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark Thanks to Klaus Schadenfreude and his 'buddies' you now need a reverse spam filter (which I made for Thunderbird and Pan). Dig through the archives, publicly (at least) I stopped giving him what he earned (as of 2004). If others start trolling him again I will feel compelled to... as I've always stated I would. I'm referring to our clique here, not socks, who he largely controls. I suspect Klaus Schadenfreude does not even know what is wrong with Clinton. Don't get too bigheaded, Klaus Schadenfreude, sometimes "advocates" are just that. I'm well aware the evidence I link to from this group is complete dabbler level; that said, it accomplished what I want. Just mindless trolling. And I am giving attention to that trolling. THAT is what the "Klaus Schadenfreude circus" is. From how Klaus Schadenfreude responded - by being ignorant of details of the operating system and so forth - he's not once studied a data-intensive task in his life. Otherwise he'd have understood the requirements of using real vs. integer types! All that Klaus Schadenfreude cares about is that Klaus Schadenfreude gets to inflict his crank call and then hang up and giggle about it. The fact that Steven Petruzzellis is an involuntary target on the other end of the phone is what gets him off. Marketing is a wonderful thing and consumer ignorance is even better. -- Puppy Videos! http://www.5z8.info/mercenary_w5v9dl_open.exe Jonas Eklundh Communication
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-16 19:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <azlxvb908b0.3a@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #477699 |
chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: > Steve Carroll wrote: > >>Melody? LOL! Those are basic blues licks (largely pentatonic), >>of the type that, literally, fall right under your fingers. This solo >>is positionally played... so the limit of the contour of his lines >>is readily apparent. > > What's your opinion on Lindsey Buckingham? He impresses me... > He is awesome. I saw them several times, once when he was not with the band at that time, and they had two guitarists on stage taking his place. And that's not counting the fact that he is also a good singer.
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-16 11:35 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <b6855cbc-ca88-4762-b757-2dfc2f23df28@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477699 |
On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 12:06:40 PM UTC-7, chrisv wrote: > Steve Carroll wrote: > > >Melody? LOL! Those are basic blues licks (largely pentatonic), > >of the type that, literally, fall right under your fingers. This solo > >is positionally played... so the limit of the contour of his lines > >is readily apparent. > > What's your opinion on Lindsey Buckingham? He impresses me... I want to clear something up here, I'm not unimpressed by RB, not in the slightest... I just know where he fits in the grand scheme of things. Anyone is free to like him more than they do anyone else but this 'greatest' moniker reminds of those 'shootouts' we faced at every jam, you really felt like you were in a friggin' gunfight. Part of the reason I can't listen to the 'Guitar Gods' is due to what owl is saying, it becomes 'too' much. But that doesn't mean these guys aren't total badasses. All that said, I think LB's a fine player, I used to see him live at Days on the Green in the SF Bay Area with Fleetwood Mac, which is where most of my exposure to him playing live is. But I have a problem with FM in general, they were a great (blues) band... nothing against Nicks but when it went the new direction, like Journey with Perry, I just wasn't as devoted a listener. Go listen to Peter Green and Jeremey Spencer during those early FM years to hear the contrast. Here's a weird one that uses the famed interval as used in SOTW, so Blackmore had plenty of places from which to 'create' the interval ;) <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTvKaLW5bu8> Feeb told me I don't know anything about audio recording... and now, DFS and owl are telling me I don't know about guitar playing. Not sure what I'll do at this point...
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-16 19:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9bz0803ga.y3@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #477706 |
Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 12:06:40 PM UTC-7, chrisv wrote: >> Steve Carroll wrote: >> >> >Melody? LOL! Those are basic blues licks (largely pentatonic), >> >of the type that, literally, fall right under your fingers. This solo >> >is positionally played... so the limit of the contour of his lines >> >is readily apparent. >> >> What's your opinion on Lindsey Buckingham? He impresses me... > > I want to clear something up here, I'm not unimpressed by RB, not > in the slightest... I just know where he fits in the grand scheme of > things. Anyone is free to like him more than they do anyone else > but this 'greatest' moniker reminds of those 'shootouts' we faced > at every jam, you really felt like you were in a friggin' gunfight. > > Part of the reason I can't listen to the 'Guitar Gods' is due to what > owl is saying, it becomes 'too' much. But that doesn't mean these > guys aren't total badasses. All that said, I think LB's a fine player, > I used to see him live at Days on the Green in the SF Bay Area with > Fleetwood Mac, which is where most of my exposure to him > playing live is. But I have a problem with FM in general, they were a > great (blues) band... nothing against Nicks but when it went the new > direction, like Journey with Perry, I just wasn't as devoted a listener. > Go listen to Peter Green and Jeremey Spencer during those early > FM years to hear the contrast. Here's a weird one that uses the > famed interval as used in SOTW, so Blackmore had plenty of places > from which to 'create' the interval ;) > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTvKaLW5bu8> > > Feeb told me I don't know anything about audio recording... and > now, DFS and owl are telling me I don't know about guitar playing. > Not sure what I'll do at this point... Is it raining? :)
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| From | DFS <nospam@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-16 19:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <UTIHD.196545$MJ2.99757@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #477706 |
On 11/16/2018 2:35 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: > Feeb told me I don't know anything about audio recording... and > now, DFS and owl are telling me I don't know about guitar playing. Fact is, you know so much about music and guitar that it's now clear to me why Feeb hates you: he can't keep up, and it burns his ass. But I still don't understand why anyone plays jazz 'music'. > Not sure what I'll do at this point... The answer is in here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8e6VZTDBvs
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-16 17:25 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <51be1e08-3e01-41fe-a5db-1b3040ba6078@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477734 |
On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 5:01:58 PM UTC-7, DFS wrote: > On 11/16/2018 2:35 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: > > > Feeb told me I don't know anything about audio recording... and > > now, DFS and owl are telling me I don't know about guitar playing. > > Fact is, you know so much about music and guitar that it's now clear to > me why Feeb hates you: he can't keep up, and it burns his ass. > > But I still don't understand why anyone plays jazz 'music'. > > > > Not sure what I'll do at this point... > > The answer is in here: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8e6VZTDBvs vallor is trying (with "all they have") to project their modus operandi onto Jonas Eklundh. For years vallor has pressed the idea that Jonas Eklundh needs 'evidence' to point out all his BS. The fact is that nobody needs any documentation to do that. So vallor pulls this hateful trolling garbage in an incompetent attempt to 'hawk' the idea that Jonas Eklundh is like he is. Are you being like vallor on purpose? Can you get Jonas Eklundh to agree? -- I Left My Husband & Daughter At Home And THIS happened! https://www.facebook.com/jenny.eklund Jonas Eklundh Communication AB
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-17 09:08 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <0fb5bcae-3d8c-4477-acf5-4b087d189c0c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477734 |
On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 5:01:58 PM UTC-7, DFS wrote: > On 11/16/2018 2:35 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: > > > Feeb told me I don't know anything about audio recording... and > > now, DFS and owl are telling me I don't know about guitar playing. > > Fact is, you know so much about music and guitar that it's now clear to > me why Feeb hates you: he can't keep up, and it burns his ass. > > But I still don't understand why anyone plays jazz 'music'. Why do you like Take 5? Is it because it's *in* 5? Because it's a minor progression? Is it because of the sound of Desmond's sax (you said yes)? Have you listened to other tracks with Desmond on them? Hear any you've liked? Any other "kind of hypnotic" tunes you like? My take is that it's a big stretch to say 'I don't like jazz' because it encompasses so much. As to why people choose to go through the agony of playing it for little, to no, return? They have to... they just have to ;) > > Not sure what I'll do at this point... > > The answer is in here: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8e6VZTDBvs I think it's on an earlier album.
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-16 19:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <z0b03ga.go4@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #477696 |
Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 11:11:52 AM UTC-7, owl wrote: >> >> >> Jazzers don't laugh - they >> >> > >> >> > ... create, only to have their sh*t plagiarized >> >> >> >> Where did he steal this part? >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k91ZYULpkRY&t=2m56s >> > >> > Is that a serious question? Clapton all the way, who got it from ol' >> > blues players. If you can't hear the connection then you haven't >> > listened to enough early EC. RB didn't even use vibrato until he >> > started listening to EC, he openly admits that. He did not pay his >> > blues dues to the extent that many of his local peers did and it >> > comes out in his playing. He did what I did early on, spent more >> > time on scales, way more, to the detriment of other stuff. >> > >> >> Yeah right. Point to the melody that is stolen. > > Melody? LOL! Those are basic blues licks (largely pentatonic), "Largely pentatonic." You could say that of every minor mode. And this solo goes outside the pentatonic. > of the type that, literally, fall right under your fingers. This solo > is positionally played... so the limit of the contour of his lines > is readily apparent. > So? I ask again, where's the plagiarism? It would not matter if it were an alternating three-note solo; there's still a melody, which is the only thing that could conceivably be "plagiarized" from someone else. > Look, take the 'song' out of it for a second and listen to this > solo (try to ignore how the drums are trashing the first part). > Here's what a sense of "melody" sounds like in a blues... > (SOTW is a blues): <https://youtu.be/QHgwJdTJjG0?t=157> > > Note it's not just melody, he's also using a bunch of techniques. > He's using different tones, dynamics, various rhythmic devices > in the single note playing and in the chord melody playing, etc. > > There's a sense of movement to the solo, a 'story' as it moves > along. Ford is melodically fluent *all* over the neck, yes he'll > play 'positions', too, but you'd never know it to listen to him. > The lines are seamless, like a sax player's lines, he's playing > *music*, not just pentatonic guitar licks that are available in > the spot he's playing in. At 4:22 notice how he brings his part > down and then blasts wide open. RB's SOTW "melody" sounds > monotone compared to that sh*t. And it sounds monotone compared to some of his own solos. So what? It fits that song perfectly. He's not just out there jazz-noodling. Hes making a song that people want to listen to. Nobody wants to break out a slide rule to keep track of all the "slick sounds" they're listening to. Well, I suppose jazzsters do. But we're talking about music here. > If you tell me you can't hear > it you're either being purposefully obtuse or you're hopeless. > >> Style is not something that can be "plagiarized." > > Are you using "style" in place of "emotion" now? How much EC > have you listened... and I mean the long assed jams out there? > Listen to enough and you'll see what's what. > Are you trying to pull a snit here? >> >> It was apparently some off-the-cuff jam session. I hate that sound, > > It's not just the sound, he's stiff, far more so than other stuff you've > heard him play. Surely you can hear that, eh? > Yeah, because his ears are probably bleeding from having to hear that jazz while he plays it.
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-16 12:01 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <3381c918-472f-4c86-a6ed-b78187e7faf5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477704 |
On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 12:29:47 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 11:11:52 AM UTC-7, owl wrote: > > >> >> >> Jazzers don't laugh - they > >> >> > > >> >> > ... create, only to have their sh*t plagiarized > >> >> > >> >> Where did he steal this part? > >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k91ZYULpkRY&t=2m56s > >> > > >> > Is that a serious question? Clapton all the way, who got it from ol' > >> > blues players. If you can't hear the connection then you haven't > >> > listened to enough early EC. RB didn't even use vibrato until he > >> > started listening to EC, he openly admits that. He did not pay his > >> > blues dues to the extent that many of his local peers did and it > >> > comes out in his playing. He did what I did early on, spent more > >> > time on scales, way more, to the detriment of other stuff. > >> > > >> > >> Yeah right. Point to the melody that is stolen. > > > > Melody? LOL! Those are basic blues licks (largely pentatonic), > > > "Largely pentatonic." You could say that of every minor mode. ?? Penta means five, lots of minor based (flatted 3rd) modes have 7 notes. Even if you stick to just the modes derived from a Major scale you get four of them: Dorian, Phrygian, Aeolian and Locrian. And not all Pentas are minor, take an A minor penta scale at the 5th fret and move it down 3 frets, you'll have an A Major Penta. (and you can play it *and* the minor penta over the same tune). > And this solo goes outside the pentatonic. I said "largely"... and it is "largely". > > of the type that, literally, fall right under your fingers. This solo > > is positionally played... so the limit of the contour of his lines > > is readily apparent. > > > > So? I ask again, where's the plagiarism? And I'll say again, go listen to EC. > It would not matter if > it were an alternating three-note solo; there's still a melody, which > is the only thing that could conceivably be "plagiarized" from someone > else. It's a licks based melody... all the good British Blues guys did this stuff better at least 5 years earlier... and with better tone. > > Look, take the 'song' out of it for a second and listen to this > > solo (try to ignore how the drums are trashing the first part). > > Here's what a sense of "melody" sounds like in a blues... > > (SOTW is a blues): <https://youtu.be/QHgwJdTJjG0?t=157> > > > > Note it's not just melody, he's also using a bunch of techniques. > > He's using different tones, dynamics, various rhythmic devices > > in the single note playing and in the chord melody playing, etc. > > > > There's a sense of movement to the solo, a 'story' as it moves > > along. Ford is melodically fluent *all* over the neck, yes he'll > > play 'positions', too, but you'd never know it to listen to him. > > The lines are seamless, like a sax player's lines, he's playing > > *music*, not just pentatonic guitar licks that are available in > > the spot he's playing in. At 4:22 notice how he brings his part > > down and then blasts wide open. RB's SOTW "melody" sounds > > monotone compared to that sh*t. > > > And it sounds monotone compared to some of his own solos. I won't disagree with that > So what? So monotone isn't what most people consider to be melodic. > It fits that song perfectly. He's not just out there jazz-noodling. > Hes making a song that people want to listen to. Nobody wants > to break out a slide rule to keep track of all the "slick sounds" > they're listening to. Well, I suppose jazzsters do. But we're > talking about music here. Lots of solos could fit the song perfectly. Frankly, given what we know he's capable of, I'm surprised that one made the cut. > > If you tell me you can't hear > > it you're either being purposefully obtuse or you're hopeless. > > > > >> Style is not something that can be "plagiarized." > > > > Are you using "style" in place of "emotion" now? How much EC > > have you listened... and I mean the long assed jams out there? > > Listen to enough and you'll see what's what. > > > > Are you trying to pull a snit here? Just go listen to enough of it. > >> It was apparently some off-the-cuff jam session. I hate that sound, > > > > It's not just the sound, he's stiff, far more so than other stuff you've > > heard him play. Surely you can hear that, eh? > > > > Yeah, because his ears are probably bleeding from having to hear > that jazz while he plays it. I see you dropped your white flag on the ground again ;)
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-16 20:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <szb0zb8903ga.g4u@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #477710 |
Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 12:29:47 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: >> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 11:11:52 AM UTC-7, owl wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Jazzers don't laugh - they >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ... create, only to have their sh*t plagiarized >> >> >> >> >> >> Where did he steal this part? >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k91ZYULpkRY&t=2m56s >> >> > >> >> > Is that a serious question? Clapton all the way, who got it from ol' >> >> > blues players. If you can't hear the connection then you haven't >> >> > listened to enough early EC. RB didn't even use vibrato until he >> >> > started listening to EC, he openly admits that. He did not pay his >> >> > blues dues to the extent that many of his local peers did and it >> >> > comes out in his playing. He did what I did early on, spent more >> >> > time on scales, way more, to the detriment of other stuff. >> >> > >> >> >> >> Yeah right. Point to the melody that is stolen. >> > >> > Melody? LOL! Those are basic blues licks (largely pentatonic), >> >> >> "Largely pentatonic." You could say that of every minor mode. > > ?? Penta means five, lots of minor based (flatted 3rd) modes have > 7 notes. Even if you stick to just the modes derived from a Major > scale you get four of them: Dorian, Phrygian, Aeolian and Locrian. > No shit. And all of them can be played inside a canonical pent minor box. What I mean is that, aside from Locrian, every note in pent minor is also a part of every other minor mode. pent minor: 1 b3 4 5 b7 dorian: 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7 phrygian: 1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 aeolian: 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 locrian: 1 b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7 You can play G minor pent, G dorian, G phrygian, etc., without moving your hand out of the box. And soloing using any of those modes is going to be "largely pentatonic." > And not all Pentas are minor, take an A minor penta scale at the > 5th fret and move it down 3 frets, you'll have an A Major Penta. > (and you can play it *and* the minor penta over the same tune). > Yes, but the song in question is in minor. >> And this solo goes outside the pentatonic. > > I said "largely"... and it is "largely". > As are most all solos, unless you know of some that skip all those pent minor intervals for some reason.
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-16 12:27 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <7cda9e0f-daac-4f93-a944-a0388708c067@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477715 |
On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 1:21:22 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 12:29:47 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > >> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 11:11:52 AM UTC-7, owl wrote: > >> > >> >> >> >> Jazzers don't laugh - they > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > ... create, only to have their sh*t plagiarized > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Where did he steal this part? > >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k91ZYULpkRY&t=2m56s > >> >> > > >> >> > Is that a serious question? Clapton all the way, who got it from ol' > >> >> > blues players. If you can't hear the connection then you haven't > >> >> > listened to enough early EC. RB didn't even use vibrato until he > >> >> > started listening to EC, he openly admits that. He did not pay his > >> >> > blues dues to the extent that many of his local peers did and it > >> >> > comes out in his playing. He did what I did early on, spent more > >> >> > time on scales, way more, to the detriment of other stuff. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Yeah right. Point to the melody that is stolen. > >> > > >> > Melody? LOL! Those are basic blues licks (largely pentatonic), > >> > >> > >> "Largely pentatonic." You could say that of every minor mode. > > > > ?? Penta means five, lots of minor based (flatted 3rd) modes have > > 7 notes. Even if you stick to just the modes derived from a Major > > scale you get four of them: Dorian, Phrygian, Aeolian and Locrian. > > > > No shit. And all of them can be played inside a canonical pent minor box. > What I mean is that, aside from Locrian, every note in pent minor is also > a part of every other minor mode. > > pent minor: 1 b3 4 5 b7 > dorian: 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7 > phrygian: 1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 > aeolian: 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 > locrian: 1 b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7 > > You can play G minor pent, G dorian, G phrygian, etc., without > moving your hand out of the box. And soloing using any of those > modes is going to be "largely pentatonic." > > > > And not all Pentas are minor, take an A minor penta scale at the > > 5th fret and move it down 3 frets, you'll have an A Major Penta. > > (and you can play it *and* the minor penta over the same tune). > > > > Yes, but the song in question is in minor. > > > >> And this solo goes outside the pentatonic. > > > > I said "largely"... and it is "largely". > > > > As are most all solos, unless you know of some that skip all those > pent minor intervals for some reason. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! No one here has ever read my program, much less found a bug; still, in my auxiliary brain, I'm thinking, "What if this is not my best work?". Meaning Jonas Eklundh Communication was completely wrong. Protected code is not enough to protect you. Ha! C'mon, dog... even you have kill filtered that imbecile. Given what Jonas Eklundh Communication is no one should blame anyone for working to be rid of his risible type of jive. No one who isn't just using you for nefarious purposes (isn't a sock) sees you as anything remotely close to honorable. You have few but me to credit for that. It's a prolonged battle, and Jonas Eklundh Communication is simultaneously an expert bullshitter of trolling remarks, while posting with forgeries of Peter Köhlmann. What is your evidence? -- I Left My Husband & Daughter At Home And THIS happened http://prescottcomputerguy.com/screenflow https://youtu.be/iztSc_msHuo http://www.5z8.info/how-to-build-a-bomb_h2o1be_peepshow Jonas Eklundh Communication
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-16 13:52 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <fbbd28dc-d4c8-4775-8bfc-cd309397d980@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477715 |
On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 1:21:22 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 12:29:47 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > >> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 11:11:52 AM UTC-7, owl wrote: > >> > >> >> >> >> Jazzers don't laugh - they > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > ... create, only to have their sh*t plagiarized > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Where did he steal this part? > >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k91ZYULpkRY&t=2m56s > >> >> > > >> >> > Is that a serious question? Clapton all the way, who got it from ol' > >> >> > blues players. If you can't hear the connection then you haven't > >> >> > listened to enough early EC. RB didn't even use vibrato until he > >> >> > started listening to EC, he openly admits that. He did not pay his > >> >> > blues dues to the extent that many of his local peers did and it > >> >> > comes out in his playing. He did what I did early on, spent more > >> >> > time on scales, way more, to the detriment of other stuff. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Yeah right. Point to the melody that is stolen. > >> > > >> > Melody? LOL! Those are basic blues licks (largely pentatonic), > >> > >> > >> "Largely pentatonic." You could say that of every minor mode. > > > > ?? Penta means five, lots of minor based (flatted 3rd) modes have > > 7 notes. Even if you stick to just the modes derived from a Major > > scale you get four of them: Dorian, Phrygian, Aeolian and Locrian. > > > > No shit. Then you know that not "every minor mode" is limited to 5 notes. > And all of them can be played inside a canonical pent minor box. You can put a "box" around any section of the fretboard, if you're "largely" limiting your note choices to 5 notes that outline a minor penta scale... then you're "largely" playing "pentatonic". > What I mean is that, aside from Locrian, every note in pent minor is also > a part of every other minor mode. That scales live inside of others is irrelevant, what matters are the notes you *play*. The minor penta sub I suggested over the V chord in a II-V-I is only 5 notes but the way it ends up being used is different, the ear doesn't associate it the same way because of how it fits over the V chord (so implication is involved). G7 chord = G, B, D, F Bb mi penta = Bb, Db, Eb, F, Ab Against that G7 chord these notes, respectively, are: #9, b5 (or #11), #5, b7 and b9 You get the altered chord tones... without having to learn a new scale. You can reduce the entire progression to minor by just playing an A minor penta for the Dmi7, move up a 1/2 step on the G7 (Bb mi penta) and then back down to A mi penta over the C chord. You could even move up to Bmi penta over the I chord but you need to learn to hear it to resolve it properly. Not surprisingly, this minor penta sub for the V chord lives inside of another mode (which is not not derived from a Major scale). The trick is making it musical and no, a given line is not unmusical simply because *you* don't recognize or appreciate the sound of it... slide rules need not apply. > pent minor: 1 b3 4 5 b7 > dorian: 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7 > phrygian: 1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 > aeolian: 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 > locrian: 1 b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7 > > You can play G minor pent, G dorian, G phrygian, etc., without > moving your hand out of the box. Doesn't matter... all that matters are the notes you *choose*. And... it depends on what position you're playing in and *how* you play. I use the boxes you do, I also use 3 note per string positions: <http://www.guitarlessons-atlanta.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/guitar-lessons-F-Major-Scale-Modes.jpg> Do those look like your boxes for mi penta? Only if you start to play 3 note per string pentas... but even they are very different (and harder to play fast). Play long enough and the positions start to disappear, work really hard and that'll be true for all those nasty 'jazz' modes, too ;) > And soloing using any of those > modes is going to be "largely pentatonic." Only if you "largely" outline with 5 notes. Even adding a 6th changes the sound a lot... Ford will play pentas with a 6th instead of a 7th (so, technically, it's still only 5 notes when he does it). > > And not all Pentas are minor, take an A minor penta scale at the > > 5th fret and move it down 3 frets, you'll have an A Major Penta. > > (and you can play it *and* the minor penta over the same tune). > > > > Yes, but the song in question is in minor. I'm aware... just general info. I don't know what level you're at, plus... you keep talking about basic theory like it's 'the Devil' ;) > >> And this solo goes outside the pentatonic. > > > > I said "largely"... and it is "largely". > > > > As are most all solos, unless you know of some that skip all those > pent minor intervals for some reason. I think you're conflating positional playing with penta scales. RB has played tons of solos that utilize more of a 7 note scale sound, lots of people do... and not "most all solos" are "largely" limited to 5 notes. Where'd you get that idea? Many players use box patterns as a framework because it's a 'guitar thing' but they're adding the other notes to the 5 often enough so as to say they're not "largely" using 5 notes. You can hear it when someone does so. Dude, get your guitar out of those mothballs already... you ain't foolin' anyone, I can tell you still wanna play ;)
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