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| Started by | Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> |
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| First post | 2025-01-17 15:08 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-01-20 16:37 -0500 |
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M$ Excel Supreme Stupidity Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-01-17 15:08 +0000
Re: M$ Excel Supreme Stupidity Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-17 11:39 -0500
Re: M$ Excel Supreme Stupidity Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-01-17 17:20 +0000
Re: M$ Excel Supreme Stupidity -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-17 15:55 -0500
Re: M$ Excel Supreme Stupidity Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-17 22:05 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed (was: M$ Excel Supreme Stupidity) Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-01-17 21:46 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed (was: M$ Excel Supreme Stupidity) Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-17 22:49 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed (was: M$ Excel Supreme Stupidity) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-17 23:08 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-17 18:35 -0500
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-01-17 23:37 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-17 23:52 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-01-18 01:00 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-18 02:19 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-18 09:27 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-18 10:04 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 19:45 -0600
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 17:20 -0500
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-18 23:21 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2025-01-18 18:04 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-18 00:05 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 13:38 -0600
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-18 16:03 -0500
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-19 00:52 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-17 21:57 -0500
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-01-18 04:34 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-18 06:50 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-18 10:58 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 14:01 -0600
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-18 21:02 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 16:05 -0600
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 16:27 -0600
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-01-19 00:19 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 18:34 -0600
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-18 21:12 -0500
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-19 04:35 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-19 05:58 -0500
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-19 11:02 -0600
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-19 12:18 -0500
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-19 19:32 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-19 14:37 -0500
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-20 01:48 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-18 23:16 +0000
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 16:33 -0500
Re: MS Excel Working As Designed -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-18 13:57 -0500
Re: M$ Excel Supreme Stupidity DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-17 18:31 -0500
Re: M$ Excel Supreme Stupidity Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-18 09:39 +0000
Re: M$ Excel Supreme Stupidity Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 20:00 -0600
Re: PhysFatFuck's Supreme Delusion DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-20 16:37 -0500
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-20 01:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: MS Excel Working As Designed |
| Message-ID | <lv5ob6Fb777U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #684343 |
On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 14:37:58 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 1/19/25 2:32 PM, rbowman wrote: >> On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 05:58:00 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> I remember those days. I don't recall Windows having anything built-in >>> to let you connect to the Internet. You could connect to a BBS using >>> HyperTerminal, I believe, but that's about it. Unless the Internet >>> service allowed you shell access, there was nothing there for you. >> >> Back when the MSDN subscription included a book of DVDs for all flavors >> of Windows I upgraded to Windows for Workgroups 3.11. The machine >> itself was interesting. >> >> https://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/22981/Compaq-Concerto-2840A/ >> >> I don't think it was in production for more than a year. The world >> wasn't ready for it. My neighbor worked in a computer store and said >> "You've got to see what we just got in." iirc I forked over $1500 and >> took it with me. > > Which would be something like $3,000 in today's money. It looks pretty > nice, but I imagine that display didn't last long. I didn't have a problem with the display. I wonder if it will still boot? Considering the $1800 Osborne 1 CP/M 'portable' would be $5800 today it was a steal. Eveb relative to the laptops of the day it wasn't expensive. The IBM Thinkpads came out around that time and were pricier. A desktop would have been cheaper but my day job for part of the year was driving a truck. I'd take the winters off and go to southern AZ where I had a minimal solar setup so power was a consideration. The Pen Computing did work but I didn't use it often.
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| From | Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> |
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| Date | 2025-01-18 23:16 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: MS Excel Working As Designed |
| Message-ID | <678c3635$0$12913$426a74cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #684290 |
Le 18-01-2025, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit : > > the superior Lotus 123 You never used it. It's obvious. As always you speak about what you don't know. At work, they tried for three years to install it. And I was happy they didn't manage to do it. Because if Microsoft products are shit, Lotus Note managed to be worst. And it's not a little statement. -- Si vous avez du temps à perdre : https://scarpet42.gitlab.io
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-18 16:33 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: MS Excel Working As Designed |
| Message-ID | <dg7ooj9oegc917c08o8ceqni8siulch2sh@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #684271 |
Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote: >On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 06:50:53 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 04:34:43 +0000, Tyrone wrote: >> >>> Even in 1979, correctly handling dates in 1900 was not a priority. >> >> Then why allow them at all? >> >> The Macintosh OS calendar only went as far back as 1904. This quite neatly >> -- and elegantly -- solved the problem. > >If nothing else, this case illustrates that with Microsoft, as with all >commercial software, talented programmers are not making the design decisions. >Rather it is the MBAs who seek to maximize sales that are in charge. The end >result, over time, is software that is tailored to the lowest common denominator >(i.e. junk). Amazing how he got schooled so hard and is still brazenly ranting. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-18 13:57 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: MS Excel Working As Designed |
| Message-ID | <vmgtjf$122ro$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #684264 |
On 1/17/25 11:34 PM, Tyrone wrote: > On Jan 17, 2025 at 9:57:41 PM EST, "-hh" wrote: > >> Makes sense, even before contemplating if their original choice was >> motivated because of how limited memory/storage/etc was in that era, or >> just a lack of sophistication on leap year rules ... or both, since it >> was decades prior to Y2K awareness. > > VisiCalc required only 32K in the Apple II. 32K. Which meant that the DOS, > Visicalc and your spreadsheet had to fit in 32K. Yup, what I was alluding to. I do recall reading a Apple ][ reference book in that era where it had described the boot-up process .. IIRC, it was something like that Apple DOS actually consisted of 3 DOS's due to hardware limitations. The first one was that the ROMs were so small that the floppy drive was only smart enough to read one track on the disk, so the first DOS was instructions to read more of the floppy disk. The second part did something more (I forget the description), and the third part was the actual 'full' DOS for operating the whole system. > Even in 1979, correctly handling dates in 1900 was not a priority. No one is > going to go over and above to handle all scenarios with 32K to work with. True, back in that era, the concept of working extensively with dates (especially backdating) was probably well beyond the originally intended scope of VisiCalc. I can recall seeing an Apple ][ with VisiCalc in our office in this pre-IBM PC era ... IIRC, for navigating between cells, thumbing the space bar changed the arrows keys from <left/right> to <up/down>. -hh
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| From | DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> |
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| Date | 2025-01-17 18:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vmep8m$9dff$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #684212 |
On 1/17/2025 10:08 AM, Lameass Larry Piet wrote: > The year 1900 is not a leap year! > > I'm seeing this right in front of me right now and I am using > the very latest version of Microcrap Excel. Ignorant GuhNoo twat. As Tyrone pointed out, it was done intentionally (for compatibility with Lotus 1-2-3).
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| From | Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> |
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| Date | 2025-01-18 09:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pan$f1f25$e0bf7534$c5118468$5c2423c@linux.rocks> |
| In reply to | #684212 |
Microslop is selling cars. --------------------------------------- Microslop Dealer: Check out our new model. Buyer: The fucking door won't open. Microslop Dealer: We know. You have to enter through the passenger door and then crawl over to the driver's seat. Buyer: Why don't you just fucking fix it. Microslop Dealer: We can't. It would break a lot of other things. Buyer: How much? Microslop Dealer: Oh, it's not really for sale. We expect you to rent in perpetuity. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! -- Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.
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| From | Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-18 20:00 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <vmhmb4$13eic$11@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #684269 |
On 1/18/25 3:39 AM, Farley Flud wrote: > Microslop is selling cars. > --------------------------------------- > > Microslop Dealer: Check out our new model. > > Buyer: The fucking door won't open. > > Microslop Dealer: We know. You have to enter through the > passenger door and then crawl over to the driver's seat. > > Buyer: Why don't you just fucking fix it. > > Microslop Dealer: We can't. It would break a lot of other > things. > > Buyer: How much? > > Microslop Dealer: Oh, it's not really for sale. We expect > you to rent in perpetuity. > > > Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! > > > > :-) MS: Check out our new Windows upgrade. Physfit: Do you have the money? MS: I don't need to have the money. You do. Physfit: No, you do. Believe me. MS: I don't understand. Physfit: You motherfucker do. MS: Hey! Watch your mouth sir. Physfit: I want my money. Better hurry up too. My time is expensive. MS: Are you crazy or something? Physfit: Are you like "DFS" or some other dunce? MS: Hey, you don't want it obviously. So if you don't mind... Physfit: I do mind. Show me the money you owe this far. MS: And how much money would THAT be?? Physfit: ($2000/second) times 42 secs so far. MS: Ok. Never mind. If you're not going away, I sure am! Physfit: Bye motherfucker. When you come back, don't forget to bring the money with you. $112000.
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| From | DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> |
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| Date | 2025-01-20 16:37 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: PhysFatFuck's Supreme Delusion |
| Message-ID | <vmmfn1$3et6v$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #684319 |
On 1/18/2025 9:00 PM, SandChimp wrote: > My time is expensive. Hilarious! That's the funniest thing you've said in your entire life.
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