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Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs

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First post2025-01-10 12:37 -0500
Last post2025-01-16 11:35 -0500
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  Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-10 12:37 -0500
    Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-10 12:43 -0500
      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-10 13:59 -0500
        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 09:30 +0000
          Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-11 07:30 -0500
        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-20 16:39 -0500
          Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-20 20:39 -0500
            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-21 06:05 -0600
              Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-21 08:49 -0500
      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-10 20:14 +0000
        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-10 16:35 -0500
        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 09:31 +0000
      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-11 12:15 +0000
      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-12 23:20 +0000
        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-13 12:45 +0000
        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-13 22:50 -0500
          Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-21 22:43 +0000
    Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-10 12:54 -0500
    Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 09:27 +0000
      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 04:32 -0500
        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-11 07:38 -0500
      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-11 07:28 -0500
        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-12 08:38 +0000
          Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-12 09:36 -0500
            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-13 12:40 +0000
              Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-13 10:05 -0500
      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-11 20:11 +0000
        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-11 17:28 -0500
          Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-12 08:40 +0000
            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-12 09:55 -0500
              Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-13 12:44 +0000
        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-12 08:39 +0000
    Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-12 23:23 +0000
      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-01-13 21:25 +0000
        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-13 16:32 -0500
          Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-13 17:44 -0500
            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-13 17:54 -0500
              Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-13 18:10 -0500
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-13 18:25 -0500
                  Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-13 17:52 -0600
                    Cult of Unix (was: Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-15 00:30 +0000
                      Re: Cult of Unix Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-14 20:05 -0600
                        Re: Cult of Unix Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-15 03:16 -0500
                        Re: Cult of Unix vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-15 09:02 +0000
                        Re: Cult of Unix ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 11:10 -0700
                        Re: Cult of Unix Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-16 05:03 +0000
                          Re: 🏳️‍🌈Cult of Unix🏳️‍🌈 🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈Jen🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈 Dershmender 💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🐶笛🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈 <root@127.0.0.1>  - 2025-01-16 05:28 +0000
                          Re: Cult of Unix Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 10:34 -0500
                            Re: Cult of Unix vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-16 16:04 +0000
                              Re: Cult of Unix Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-16 14:48 -0600
                                Re: Cult of Unix Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 18:06 -0500
                                  Re: Cult of Unix Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-17 02:49 +0000
                                    Re: Cult of Unix vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-17 03:51 +0000
                                      Re: Cult of Unix Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-17 02:10 -0500
                                        Re: Cult of Unix Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-17 23:55 +0000
                                          Re: Cult of Unix Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-17 20:53 -0500
                                            Re: Cult of Unix Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-19 00:54 +0000
                                      Re: Cult of Unix Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-17 16:46 +0000
                                        Re: Cult of Unix Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-17 23:56 +0000
                                          Re: Cult of Unix Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-17 20:54 -0500
                                            Re: Cult of Unix Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-19 00:55 +0000
                                              Re: Cult of Unix Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 20:01 -0500
                            Re: Cult of Unix Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-17 00:10 +0000
                      Re: 🏳️‍🌈Cult of Unix (was: Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs)🏳️‍🌈 🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈Jen🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈 Dershmender 💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🐶笛🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈 <root@127.0.0.1>  - 2025-01-15 05:24 +0000
                        Setting up old-style backup on Windows 11 (was: Re: Cult of Unix) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-15 08:38 +0000
                          Re: 🏳️‍🌈Setting up old-style backup on Windows 11 (was: Re: Cult of Unix)🏳️‍🌈 🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈Jen🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈 Dershmender 💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🐶笛🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈 <root@127.0.0.1>  - 2025-01-15 17:22 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-13 21:44 -0500
                  Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Manu Raju <MR@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-14 03:09 +0000
                    Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-15 06:56 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-15 02:52 -0500
                        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-17 00:11 +0000
                          Defragging (was: Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-17 03:45 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-17 23:10 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 10:40 -0500
                        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-15 23:14 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-15 20:15 -0500
                            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-16 01:29 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 05:05 -0500
                            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-17 08:53 -0500
                              Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 10:43 -0500
                                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-17 11:07 -0500
                                  Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-17 17:19 -0500
                                    Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-17 18:17 -0500
                                      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-20 16:40 -0500
                                        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-20 20:41 -0500
                            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-17 17:18 -0500
                              Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-17 18:15 -0500
                              Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 13:07 -0500
                                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-18 16:08 -0500
                                  Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 17:22 -0500
                                    Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-18 23:30 +0000
                                      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 19:04 -0500
                                        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-19 04:40 +0000
                                  Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-18 18:50 -0500
                                    Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 19:08 -0500
                                      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-18 21:10 -0500
                                      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-18 22:14 -0500
                                        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 11:38 -0500
                                          Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-19 12:23 -0500
                                            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 12:32 -0500
                                              Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-19 15:54 -0500
                                                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 15:59 -0500
                                                  Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-19 18:44 -0500
                                                    Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 20:28 -0500
                                                      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-19 21:10 -0500
                                                        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 22:22 -0500
                                    Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 07:22 +0000
                                      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-19 06:03 -0500
                                        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 03:53 +0000
                                          Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 23:08 -0500
                                          Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-20 08:45 -0500
                                            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-21 06:40 +0000
                                      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-19 19:36 +0000
                                        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 03:56 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-19 08:53 +0000
                                      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-19 06:09 -0500
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-14 12:46 -0500
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-15 13:51 +0100
                  Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-15 09:58 -0500
                    Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-15 16:20 +0100
                  Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-15 23:20 +0000
                    Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-16 15:36 +0100
                      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-17 00:12 +0000
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 18:09 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-16 15:47 +0100
            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-14 05:48 +0000
          Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-13 16:48 -0600
            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 23:54 +0000
          Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 11:33 +0000
            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 10:46 -0500
              Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-15 11:33 -0500
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-15 17:02 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-15 12:33 -0500
                    Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-16 05:40 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-16 06:27 -0500
                        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-27 22:49 +0000
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 14:32 -0500
                  Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-15 15:52 -0500
                    Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-15 20:34 -0500
                      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 00:41 -0600
                        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-16 06:42 -0500
                          Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 14:40 -0600
                            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-16 16:34 -0500
                              Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 16:56 -0600
                                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-16 22:40 -0500
                                  Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 02:04 -0600
                                    Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-17 07:34 -0600
                                      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs roger <rduffy@hotmail.com.invalid - 2025-01-17 14:01 -0600
                                      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-17 17:15 -0500
                                    Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-17 15:57 -0500
                                      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 16:50 -0600
                                        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-17 21:52 -0500
                            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-16 21:38 +0000
                              Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-16 18:33 -0500
                            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 15:44 -0600
                              Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 15:51 -0600
                              Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 16:11 -0600
                            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-01-17 13:03 +0000
                              Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 16:00 -0600
                                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-17 23:15 +0000
                                  Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 18:10 -0600
                                  Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 18:13 -0600
                            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-30 13:35 -0500
                              Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-30 17:32 -0500
                              Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-01 00:20 +0000
                                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-01 06:58 -0500
                                  Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-01 07:18 -0500
                                    Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-01 06:31 -0600
                                      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-01 12:39 +0000
                                      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-02-02 16:00 -0500
                                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-02-02 15:59 -0500
                      Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-16 06:22 -0500
                        Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 12:10 -0500
                          Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-16 12:28 -0600
                            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-17 00:27 +0000
                              Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 23:47 -0500
                            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-20 16:41 -0500
                            Gaming Laptops (was: Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-01 12:58 +0000
                              Re: Gaming Laptops Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-01 19:22 -0500
                                Re: Gaming Laptops chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-02 08:05 -0600
                                  Re: Gaming Laptops candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-03 20:10 +0000
                                    Re: Gaming Laptops Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-03 19:24 -0500
                                      Re: Gaming Laptops pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-04 00:45 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-01-16 18:45 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-16 16:05 -0500
                    Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 11:35 -0500

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#684251

FromPhysfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com>
Date2025-01-17 18:10 -0600
Message-ID<vmerhu$aa0e$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#684240
On 1/17/25 5:15 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
> owever, I do suspect that the problem of accurately rectifying Julian
> dates to various solar/lunar calendars has been solved long ago.


Of course. It's just that instead of sitting down and doing a back of 
the envelop calculation to convert dates every time I encountered a lazy 
ass author who would use lunar and solar dates in the same article, 
confusing the heck out of readers, I decided to program the calculations 
once and for all. When I wrote the calendar program no such software 
accessible to people in general existed to do that. Years later some 
Arab wrote the "Hdate" program and provided it free to public, but It 
could not go back as far as I would need, and it only converted to and 
from Iranian solar and Islamic lunar calendars (if I remember it 
correctly). For something like a few decades after that I could not 
still find one suitable enough for me, and kept using my own program.

And now I'm here, still using it :) I'm not sure anymore cause I've not 
checked it out recently, that there is or there isn't a calendar 
converter as good as my own, that's available free to public.

Mine has minimal user interface of course. It is very utilitarian. Uses 
the same screen that you see in DOS.

I have two versions of it. One that runs on Windows, and one that only 
runs on DOS. Once I asked Relf how that was possible. He didn't, or 
couldn't, answer it.

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#684252

FromPhysfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com>
Date2025-01-17 18:13 -0600
Message-ID<vmermd$aa0e$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#684240
On 1/17/25 5:15 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
> We need input from the GNU/Linux "experts" on this NG but I believe
> that the "experts" are only a bunch of fat-chewing ignoramuses that
> cannot distinguish their asses from a hole in the ground.


If there is any experts in this forum and they're not answering, they're 
either cro-magnon or immature.

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#684754

FromDFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca>
Date2025-01-30 13:35 -0500
Message-ID<vnggok$32kpf$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#684150
On 1/16/2025 3:40 PM, PhysFatFuck wrote:

> Right now I'm using a computer that I bought last week for $12 in a 
> _thrift_store.


We all have to be proud of something.

Another useless, brokedown old geezer named John Gohde used to hang 
around cola and talk about his $16 thrift store computer.

He has a better shack than you.

https://imgur.com/a/x9kUxyn

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#684762

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2025-01-30 17:32 -0500
Message-ID<Z5TmP.1114896$EYNf.470145@fx11.iad>
In reply to#684754
On 2025-01-30 1:35 p.m., DFS wrote:
> On 1/16/2025 3:40 PM, PhysFatFuck wrote:
> 
>> Right now I'm using a computer that I bought last week for $12 in a 
>> _thrift_store.
> 
> 
> We all have to be proud of something.
> 
> Another useless, brokedown old geezer named John Gohde used to hang 
> around cola and talk about his $16 thrift store computer.
> 
> He has a better shack than you.
> 
> https://imgur.com/a/x9kUxyn

LOL, I forgot about John Gohde. That guy must be being eaten by worms by 
now.

-- 
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Telegram: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

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#684813

Frompothead <pothead@snakebite.com>
Date2025-02-01 00:20 +0000
Message-ID<vnjpda$3od9i$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#684754
On 2025-01-30, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
> On 1/16/2025 3:40 PM, PhysFatFuck wrote:
>
>> Right now I'm using a computer that I bought last week for $12 in a 
>> _thrift_store.
>
>
> We all have to be proud of something.
>
> Another useless, brokedown old geezer named John Gohde used to hang 
> around cola and talk about his $16 thrift store computer.
>
> He has a better shack than you.
>
> https://imgur.com/a/x9kUxyn

Is that the joker who used to post  about vitamin D to alt.os.linux ?

-- 
pothead

Why did Joe Biden pardon his family?
Read below to learn the reason.
The Biden Crime Family Timeline here:
https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/

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#684825

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2025-02-01 06:58 -0500
Message-ID<40onP.1416263$aTp4.377629@fx09.iad>
In reply to#684813
On 2025-01-31 7:20 p.m., pothead wrote:
> On 2025-01-30, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>> On 1/16/2025 3:40 PM, PhysFatFuck wrote:
>>
>>> Right now I'm using a computer that I bought last week for $12 in a
>>> _thrift_store.
>>
>>
>> We all have to be proud of something.
>>
>> Another useless, brokedown old geezer named John Gohde used to hang
>> around cola and talk about his $16 thrift store computer.
>>
>> He has a better shack than you.
>>
>> https://imgur.com/a/x9kUxyn
> 
> Is that the joker who used to post  about vitamin D to alt.os.linux ?

Yes, and it seems that vitamin D is what'S causing him alive.

-- 
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Telegram: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

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#684827

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2025-02-01 07:18 -0500
Message-ID<3ionP.81144$VnJ1.58097@fx44.iad>
In reply to#684825
On 2025-02-01 6:58 a.m., CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2025-01-31 7:20 p.m., pothead wrote:
>> On 2025-01-30, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>> On 1/16/2025 3:40 PM, PhysFatFuck wrote:
>>>
>>>> Right now I'm using a computer that I bought last week for $12 in a
>>>> _thrift_store.
>>>
>>>
>>> We all have to be proud of something.
>>>
>>> Another useless, brokedown old geezer named John Gohde used to hang
>>> around cola and talk about his $16 thrift store computer.
>>>
>>> He has a better shack than you.
>>>
>>> https://imgur.com/a/x9kUxyn
>>
>> Is that the joker who used to post  about vitamin D to alt.os.linux ?
> 
> Yes, and it seems that vitamin D is what'S causing him alive.

*keeping. I need to correct myself or else Haystacks Scotty will react 
by drinking a gallon of vegetable oil.

-- 
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Telegram: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

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#684828

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2025-02-01 06:31 -0600
Message-ID<2o4spjdbl73s7uf2ipftagg0iia324otb3@4ax.com>
In reply to#684827
CrudeSausage wrote:

>> Yes, and it seems that vitamin D is what'S causing him alive.
>
>*keeping. I need to correct myself or else Haystacks Scotty will react 
>by drinking a gallon of vegetable oil.

Or some dumb fsck, who pretends that intelligent people don't make
typos and will attack his superiors when they do.  Shameless
jackasshole and liar that he is, he thinks that's a path to "victory".

-- 
"Only you [chrisv] are lying shamelessly."  -  DumFSck, lying
shamelessly

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#684829

Fromvallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
Date2025-02-01 12:39 +0000
Message-ID<m06j0hFj9duU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#684828
On Sat, 01 Feb 2025 06:31:57 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote
in <2o4spjdbl73s7uf2ipftagg0iia324otb3@4ax.com>:

> CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>>> Yes, and it seems that vitamin D is what'S causing him alive.
>>
>>*keeping. I need to correct myself or else Haystacks Scotty will react
>>by drinking a gallon of vegetable oil.
> 
> Or some dumb fsck, who pretends that intelligent people don't make typos

'twas a brain-o with which I nailed Professor English the Bigot.

> and will attack his superiors when they do.  Shameless jackasshole and
> liar that he is, he thinks that's a path to "victory".

 _ _ _ _ _ _ _
Q: I cant spell worth a dam.  I hope your going too tell me what to do?

A: Don't worry about how your articles look.  Remember it's the message
that counts, not the way it's presented.  Ignore the fact that sloppy
spelling in a purely written forum sends out the same silent messages that
soiled clothing would when addressing an audience.

-- Brad Templeton, _Emily Postnews Answers Your Questions on Netiquette_
 _ _ _ _ _ _ _

And another thing(!):  If calling out bigots is "woke", then "woke" is
no longer a pejorative.

-- 
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
   OS: Linux 6.13.0 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G
   "Same to you and whatever you meant by that!"

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#684865

FromDFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca>
Date2025-02-02 16:00 -0500
Message-ID<vnomd5$ruvf$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#684828
On 2/1/2025 7:31 AM, shitv wrote:

> Or some dumb fsck, who pretends that intelligent people 

Or some turdv who claims he's an intelligent person.



> don't make
> typos and will attack his superiors when they do.  Shameless
> jackasshole and liar that he is, he thinks that's a path to "victory".


It's NOT typos.  It's nonsensical gibberish, double-negatives, using the 
entirely wrong word... the usual mishmash of shitv idiocy worthy of a 
stroke victim.

Then you call yourself "intellectually superior".

DING! DING! DING!

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#684864

FromDFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca>
Date2025-02-02 15:59 -0500
Message-ID<vnomc2$ruvf$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#684813
On 1/31/2025 7:20 PM, pothead wrote:
> On 2025-01-30, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>> On 1/16/2025 3:40 PM, PhysFatFuck wrote:
>>
>>> Right now I'm using a computer that I bought last week for $12 in a
>>> _thrift_store.
>>
>>
>> We all have to be proud of something.
>>
>> Another useless, brokedown old geezer named John Gohde used to hang
>> around cola and talk about his $16 thrift store computer.
>>
>> He has a better shack than you.
>>
>> https://imgur.com/a/x9kUxyn
> 
> Is that the joker who used to post  about vitamin D to alt.os.linux ?

Yeah, that was the crazed Gohde.

Every time someone famous died younger than him, he would idiotically 
crow about it like he was immortal.

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#684121

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2025-01-16 06:22 -0500
Message-ID<vmaq5q$3fd0d$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#684115
On 1/15/25 8:34 PM, Paul wrote:
> On Wed, 1/15/2025 3:52 PM, -hh wrote:
>> ...
>> But do feel free to provide a detailed cost list.
>>
>> Because even the $100 you spent on the video card is 
>> subtracted off too, your $850 spent is still higher 
>> than $600, but now its only by +30%.
>
> 
> But you have control of your expenses.

And freedom to make mistakes which can cost you more.

> It all depends on your objectives and budget.
> An upgrade could be $500 or it could be $2000. 
>> If you build your own computers, you can reuse
> PSU, computer case (my daily driver case is 25 years old),
> keyboard, mouse, and so on. My daily driver case, I think
> that's about the fourth motherboard.

Sure, there can be reuse, but with laptops now 80% of the PC market, 
this use case is increasingly niche.

And in the 'mistakes' lane, over-reliance on recycling old stuff can 
gimp a system, which undermines the value of the upgrade effort.

Plus some costs aren't all that significant to worry too much about. 
For example, if one wants to keep the old build running in parallel with 
the new, then having a case & PSU for each is inexpensive and makes it 
quite convenient... but that choice reduces the cost savings.

> The trick to hitting points like this, is to look
> at trailing-edge parts. When the kids are buying DDR5
> systems, you buy a DDR4 system. As long as the market
> has some legs, a few reduced-cost motherboards will be
> issued in a second wave (intended to "mop up" the
> old processors), offering a small savings. The RAM can
> be cheaper to quite a lot cheaper, than the current generation
> RAM (DDR5).

Sure, and the same "state of the shelf" sweet spot applies when shopping 
for a complete system too.

> The enthusiast sites have more info, if you need it.

Of course.  Overall, a challenge with the DIY topic is differences in 
motivation:  is the DIY because money's tight?  Or is the motivation 
because tinkering with hardware is an entertaining hobby/pastime?
Both motivations can & do exist, and can get conflated in discussions.


-hh

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#684137

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-01-16 12:10 -0500
Message-ID<vmbeia$3jepl$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#684121
On Thu, 1/16/2025 6:22 AM, -hh wrote:

> 
> Of course.  Overall, a challenge with the DIY topic is differences in motivation:  is the DIY because money's tight?  Or is the motivation because tinkering with hardware is an entertaining hobby/pastime?
> Both motivations can & do exist, and can get conflated in discussions.

The motivation, is we don't want to buy shit.

Do I want a Dell with a four phase VCore, when
I can have a twenty four phase VCore on an
expensive motherboard ?

Do I want a 230W power supply on a Dell, when
I can pick up an 850W power supply at Best Buy ?
Now, I can plug in an RTX4090 when I want to.
On the Dell, that's... impossible (even if you
went out and bought the 850W supply, it probably
would not fit in the small Dell case, neither would
the Dell cooling system be adequate for the thermal
load and there wouldn't even be a mounting location
for a fan to be added).

When you do a build, you control everything, and
no screwing around or taking shortcuts.

Let's take an example, Mr.LaptopMan. Take the lady
in the computer store the other day, a salesman
explaining to her that "the laptop with the 4070
is faster than the laptop with the 4060" for gaming.
Well, what the salesman didn't tell the gaming lady,
is that the owner will beat the piss out of the laptop
and it will be knackered after only four years. While you
are having a gaming experience, it won't last.

Whereas, with a desktop, if I wear the keycaps off my
keyboard playing Tetris, I just swap keyboards, takes
about ten seconds. If the video cards burns the
connector off, chuck it on the table, pop in another.

And if I want four NVMe storage, I can pop in a board
with four sleds on it, and boom, done.

With this, I could install twenty four NVMe on six cards.

"Asus Pro WS W790E-SAGE SE"

   https://dlcdnwebimgs.asus.com/gain/f8c9b3f4-1a07-4645-aa79-594c48bd4090/w692

(Note desktop I/O style on the left)

   https://dlcdnwebimgs.asus.com/files/media/35d86ad4-c99a-49d7-b8bb-09601ad49164/images/swiper_left.png

Same idea with an AMD processor. For a while, only Lenovo made
materials of this class, but now you can build them at home.

   https://shop.asus.com/ca-en/90mb1fw0-m0aay0-pro-ws-wrx90e-sage-se.html

You're in control of the build. If something breaks,
you're in control of the repair too. No returning a unit
three times, hearing "no fault found", haranguing tech
support for a replacement machine and so on. Think of
the hair loss saved.

I don't want to use anyones "warranty service".

   [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/ry0VWG7J/home-build-what-you-want.gif

   Paul

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#684142

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2025-01-16 12:28 -0600
Message-ID<fdjiojt0fj9ft4plm2eu47itkdsi21mdcl@4ax.com>
In reply to#684137
Paul wrote:

> -hh wrote:
>> 
>> Of course.  Overall, a challenge with the DIY topic is differences in motivation:  
>> is the DIY because money's tight?  Or is the motivation because tinkering with 
>> hardware is an entertaining hobby/pastime?
>> Both motivations can & do exist, and can get conflated in discussions.
>
>The motivation, is we don't want to buy shit.
>
>Do I want a Dell with a four phase VCore, when
>I can have a twenty four phase VCore on an
>expensive motherboard ?
>
>Do I want a 230W power supply on a Dell, when
>I can pick up an 850W power supply at Best Buy ?
>Now, I can plug in an RTX4090 when I want to.
>On the Dell, that's... impossible (even if you
>went out and bought the 850W supply, it probably
>would not fit in the small Dell case, neither would
>the Dell cooling system be adequate for the thermal
>load and there wouldn't even be a mounting location
>for a fan to be added).

Yeah the non-standard components in Dells and HPs are a real turn-off,
for those of us who are brave enough to open our PC cases.

>When you do a build, you control everything, and
>no screwing around or taking shortcuts.

I think us DIY guys tend to overspend and overbuild our systems.  So
we don't save any money, but they are better-built.

>Well, what the salesman didn't tell the gaming lady,
>is that the owner will beat the piss out of the laptop
>and it will be knackered after only four years. While you
>are having a gaming experience, it won't last.

Gaming laptops are the worst.  Hot running, loud, expensive, fragile.

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#684176

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-01-17 00:27 +0000
Message-ID<lutmerF1tatU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#684142
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 12:28:47 -0600, chrisv wrote:

> I think us DIY guys tend to overspend and overbuild our systems.  So we
> don't save any money, but they are better-built.

I keep looking at the Antec Sonata case gathering dust and think I should 
do something with it. The case is probably as obsolete as whatever is in 
it. It does have an upgraded PS since the heavily hyped Antec PS was one 
of a batch with a high failure rate.

Then reality sets in. What would I do with it? I'm not a gamer. That 
reality set in when the video card failed and all I could find in the 
local shops were Hyper-Phaze Mark 7 Dual Thrusters that were about $200 
more than I was going to pay for a generic card.

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#684188

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-01-16 23:47 -0500
Message-ID<vmcndb$3tjhj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#684176
On Thu, 1/16/2025 7:27 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 12:28:47 -0600, chrisv wrote:
> 
>> I think us DIY guys tend to overspend and overbuild our systems.  So we
>> don't save any money, but they are better-built.
> 
> I keep looking at the Antec Sonata case gathering dust and think I should 
> do something with it. The case is probably as obsolete as whatever is in 
> it. It does have an upgraded PS since the heavily hyped Antec PS was one 
> of a batch with a high failure rate.
> 
> Then reality sets in. What would I do with it? I'm not a gamer. That 
> reality set in when the video card failed and all I could find in the 
> local shops were Hyper-Phaze Mark 7 Dual Thrusters that were about $200 
> more than I was going to pay for a generic card.
> 

That's a fine case. I own two of them. One of them seems to be older
than the other, and the older one has weird slots for the addin cards.
You can't add a two-slot wide video card, because a "bump" on the inside
side of the case, conflicts with the two-slot-wide flat faceplate on the video card.

But other than that, it has the excellent trays system. One generation
of trays has black rubber cushions (not very thick), and the later one
is silicone rubber and a bit thicker.

The holes in the tray support legacy drives (like up to 6TB in capacity).
The Helium drives (up to 24TB) have the holes in a different place. One
guy on the Internet, used his 3D printer to make an Antec compatible tray
with the holes in the correct place for the Helium drives. But I don't have
any of those, so the 6TB is about the largest drive I can use in that PC
(without using the inconvenient 5.25" bays in the top front).

The Test Machine (ten years old), the trays have been sliding in and out
of that thing for ten years. The SATA cables see a lot of use.

I would not throw the Antec away. If anything, put it up on Ebay (with trays)
and sell it to someone who likes those.

For those who don't know about the trays, they slide out towards you,
and compared to the hell of mounting drives in 5.25" bays, they are
a dream to use. You still use four screws to fit the tray to the
drive, but that's not hard to do, and I keep a Philips head screwdriver
on the desk, to change drives.

Don't use the USB2 ports on the Sonata case, because the wiring is
a bit off on those. Antec didn't seem to have someone with an electrical
background, to verify their front panel connectors. Buzz out the wiring on
the assembly, and see if you can spot the swap. Fortunately, they
never reversed VCC and GND on their wiring, so there were no "fireworks".

   Paul

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#684393

FromDFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca>
Date2025-01-20 16:41 -0500
Message-ID<vmmfue$3et6v$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#684142
On 1/16/2025 1:28 PM, shitv wrote:

> I think us DIY guys tend to overspend and overbuild our systems.  So
> we don't save any money, but they are better-built.


Jan 2010 I assembled a new system:

* heavy tower case with builtin handle (Cooler Master Scout, $110)

* high-end power supply (Seasonic X650 Gold, $170).

(14+ years later and both are still in nearly perfect shape)


* Gigabyte P55A UD3 motherboard, $135, lasted 12 years.

* HIS video card, $163, lasted 6 years.


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#684831 — Gaming Laptops (was: Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs)

Fromvallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
Date2025-02-01 12:58 +0000
SubjectGaming Laptops (was: Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs)
Message-ID<m06k2qFj9dpU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#684142
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 12:28:47 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote
in <fdjiojt0fj9ft4plm2eu47itkdsi21mdcl@4ax.com>:

> Paul wrote:
> 
>> -hh wrote:
>>> 
>>> Of course.  Overall, a challenge with the DIY topic is differences in
>>> motivation:
>>> is the DIY because money's tight?  Or is the motivation because
>>> tinkering with hardware is an entertaining hobby/pastime?
>>> Both motivations can & do exist, and can get conflated in discussions.
>>
>>The motivation, is we don't want to buy shit.
>>
>>Do I want a Dell with a four phase VCore, when I can have a twenty four
>>phase VCore on an expensive motherboard ?
>>
>>Do I want a 230W power supply on a Dell, when I can pick up an 850W
>>power supply at Best Buy ?
>>Now, I can plug in an RTX4090 when I want to.
>>On the Dell, that's... impossible (even if you went out and bought the
>>850W supply, it probably would not fit in the small Dell case, neither
>>would the Dell cooling system be adequate for the thermal load and there
>>wouldn't even be a mounting location for a fan to be added).
> 
> Yeah the non-standard components in Dells and HPs are a real turn-off,
> for those of us who are brave enough to open our PC cases.
> 
>>When you do a build, you control everything, and no screwing around or
>>taking shortcuts.
> 
> I think us DIY guys tend to overspend and overbuild our systems.  So we
> don't save any money, but they are better-built.
> 
>>Well, what the salesman didn't tell the gaming lady,
>>is that the owner will beat the piss out of the laptop and it will be
>>knackered after only four years. While you are having a gaming
>>experience, it won't last.
> 
> Gaming laptops are the worst.  Hot running, loud, expensive, fragile.

There are exceptions to every rule.  In that regard: ASUS tufbooks
are tough.

After updating it to Linux Mint 22.1, and while looking at the output
of lspci(8), discovered this:

0000:00:08.0 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 12th Gen Core Processor 
Gaussian & Neural Accelerator (rev 02)

There's an out-of-tree driver Linux driver for it, and apparently Intel
is working to get it into the Linux kernel.

Having said that, can't imagine why I'd use it.  (I guess perhaps Windows
Copilot might use it, but I'll defer to others regarding whether or not
that is the case.)

-- 
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
   OS: Linux 6.13.0 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G
   "Sign on a clothing store - Come inside and have a fit."

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#684836 — Re: Gaming Laptops

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-02-01 19:22 -0500
SubjectRe: Gaming Laptops
Message-ID<vnmdsp$biin$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#684831
On Sat, 2/1/2025 7:58 AM, vallor wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 12:28:47 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote
> in <fdjiojt0fj9ft4plm2eu47itkdsi21mdcl@4ax.com>:
> 
>> Paul wrote:
>>
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Of course.  Overall, a challenge with the DIY topic is differences in
>>>> motivation:
>>>> is the DIY because money's tight?  Or is the motivation because
>>>> tinkering with hardware is an entertaining hobby/pastime?
>>>> Both motivations can & do exist, and can get conflated in discussions.
>>>
>>> The motivation, is we don't want to buy shit.
>>>
>>> Do I want a Dell with a four phase VCore, when I can have a twenty four
>>> phase VCore on an expensive motherboard ?
>>>
>>> Do I want a 230W power supply on a Dell, when I can pick up an 850W
>>> power supply at Best Buy ?
>>> Now, I can plug in an RTX4090 when I want to.
>>> On the Dell, that's... impossible (even if you went out and bought the
>>> 850W supply, it probably would not fit in the small Dell case, neither
>>> would the Dell cooling system be adequate for the thermal load and there
>>> wouldn't even be a mounting location for a fan to be added).
>>
>> Yeah the non-standard components in Dells and HPs are a real turn-off,
>> for those of us who are brave enough to open our PC cases.
>>
>>> When you do a build, you control everything, and no screwing around or
>>> taking shortcuts.
>>
>> I think us DIY guys tend to overspend and overbuild our systems.  So we
>> don't save any money, but they are better-built.
>>
>>> Well, what the salesman didn't tell the gaming lady,
>>> is that the owner will beat the piss out of the laptop and it will be
>>> knackered after only four years. While you are having a gaming
>>> experience, it won't last.
>>
>> Gaming laptops are the worst.  Hot running, loud, expensive, fragile.
> 
> There are exceptions to every rule.  In that regard: ASUS tufbooks
> are tough.
> 
> After updating it to Linux Mint 22.1, and while looking at the output
> of lspci(8), discovered this:
> 
> 0000:00:08.0 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 12th Gen Core Processor 
> Gaussian & Neural Accelerator (rev 02)
> 
> There's an out-of-tree driver Linux driver for it, and apparently Intel
> is working to get it into the Linux kernel.
> 
> Having said that, can't imagine why I'd use it.  (I guess perhaps Windows
> Copilot might use it, but I'll defer to others regarding whether or not
> that is the case.)
> 

Your guess is as good as any.

https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/ipla/software-development-platforms/client/platforms/alder-lake-desktop/12th-generation-intel-core-processors-datasheet-volume-1-of-2/003/intel-gmm-and-neural-network-accelerator/

Even the person making a URL for the article, was running out of letters.

In a strange twist of fate, it's being used as a Direct Render Manager "thingy".
No resource goes wasted, I would guess.

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-GNA-To-DRM-Driver

   Paul

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#684854 — Re: Gaming Laptops

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2025-02-02 08:05 -0600
SubjectRe: Gaming Laptops
Message-ID<tiuupjp1p0k2569aacau6e4alabj5h431k@4ax.com>
In reply to#684836
Paul wrote:

> vallor wrote:
>> 
>> After updating it to Linux Mint 22.1, and while looking at the output
>> of lspci(8), discovered this:
>> 
>> 0000:00:08.0 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 12th Gen Core Processor 
>> Gaussian & Neural Accelerator (rev 02)
>> 
>> There's an out-of-tree driver Linux driver for it, and apparently Intel
>> is working to get it into the Linux kernel.
>> 
>> Having said that, can't imagine why I'd use it.  (I guess perhaps Windows
>> Copilot might use it, but I'll defer to others regarding whether or not
>> that is the case.)
>
>Your guess is as good as any.
>
>https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/ipla/software-development-platforms/client/platforms/alder-lake-desktop/12th-generation-intel-core-processors-datasheet-volume-1-of-2/003/intel-gmm-and-neural-network-accelerator/
>
>Even the person making a URL for the article, was running out of letters.

Interesting.  I hadn't even heard of this GNA thingy before.

>In a strange twist of fate, it's being used as a Direct Render Manager "thingy".
>No resource goes wasted, I would guess.
>
>https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-GNA-To-DRM-Driver

The article notes that Linux does not yet have a dedicated AI
accelerator subsystem.  I wonder when that's coming, and if we should
be afraid.

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