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| Started by | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| First post | 2024-12-19 20:03 -0500 |
| Last post | 2024-12-25 16:19 -0500 |
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The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 20:03 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 16:52 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-21 07:26 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 23:15 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-23 23:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 11:48 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-25 06:54 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-25 20:39 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 22:23 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-28 07:04 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 16:53 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-28 19:34 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 15:07 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 15:12 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 17:11 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 17:17 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 13:16 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 14:24 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 15:39 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 16:06 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 17:10 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 17:39 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 18:58 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 19:10 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 19:21 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:55 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 18:02 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 18:35 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 19:51 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 20:00 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-29 22:34 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 03:48 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 19:55 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 20:15 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 21:49 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2024-12-30 04:06 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 08:31 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-30 19:12 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:53 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 21:06 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-31 11:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 01:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 20:52 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 17:02 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-01-18 11:54 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 18:46 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:51 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 09:34 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 00:53 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:42 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:44 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 23:14 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 03:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 10:09 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 00:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-29 01:43 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 20:52 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 07:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 06:58 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 21:17 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 20:41 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 23:31 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-30 10:56 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 03:24 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 13:50 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-31 13:18 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-31 19:14 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-01 07:44 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:22 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 19:36 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2024-12-31 19:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 11:46 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:27 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:16 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 18:50 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 02:30 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:55 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 07:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 01:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 16:15 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 16:39 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 19:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:30 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 07:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-30 12:53 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-30 13:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:56 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 16:45 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 19:31 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-01 14:50 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 22:03 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:41 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 00:15 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 05:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 22:03 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-04 04:50 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 08:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:42 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 01:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:59 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 10:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 10:29 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 10:38 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 11:45 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 12:00 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-04 18:01 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 13:59 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-04 20:45 +0000
The Desktop Environment (was: Re: The problem with not owning the software) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-05 03:05 +0000
Re: The Desktop Environment (was: Re: The problem with not owning the software) pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-05 17:28 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-04 20:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-04 15:58 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-04 11:23 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-04 21:13 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-04 21:50 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:39 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 00:59 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 01:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 03:04 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 16:07 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:22 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 08:23 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 22:47 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 00:12 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-07 02:10 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-07 02:31 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 14:12 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-08 02:26 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 13:28 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-08 21:28 +0000
[OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 01:50 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 03:01 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 03:25 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 06:47 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 08:20 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-08 12:21 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-08 14:10 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 21:18 -0500
[OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 02:34 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 22:08 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-04 22:34 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-05 07:19 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-05 10:39 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 03:39 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 08:13 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-05 08:52 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 16:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 20:53 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 21:26 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 06:38 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 07:17 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-12-29 13:19 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 08:48 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-29 08:02 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 09:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 20:56 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 17:03 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 23:32 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-05 11:05 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 13:29 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-05 13:53 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-05 15:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-06 10:17 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 10:28 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-06 11:26 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-06 12:34 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 12:40 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-06 14:23 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-06 16:27 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 13:21 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2024-12-29 07:41 -0700
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-30 19:05 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 20:50 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 22:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-03 09:09 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-03 20:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-03 21:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-03 23:28 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 21:17 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-04 22:25 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:19 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-04 04:49 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 01:10 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 15:55 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:20 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 08:11 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-06 16:16 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 22:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-11 11:36 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 23:20 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-30 18:58 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:59 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-31 02:18 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 08:41 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-31 13:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-31 13:54 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-31 19:26 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-01 07:43 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 10:32 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:37 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 19:43 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:47 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 18:58 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-31 19:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-31 19:32 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-01 01:43 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 11:53 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 10:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:32 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 21:34 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 16:47 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 19:29 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:59 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-02 18:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 11:26 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-03 08:55 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 14:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 19:32 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-05 15:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:17 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-06 14:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:47 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:14 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-30 19:02 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-31 10:10 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 08:50 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-31 12:09 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-04 10:31 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-25 16:19 -0500
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| From | snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 03:39 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software |
| Message-ID | <1r5o4br.1qna40ms20p83N%snipeco.2@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #682904 |
Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: [...] > >> I wanted to install something to calculate the wear on my MacBook M1's > >> storage and experienced this first-hand. It's much easier with Linux. > >> > > > > Fair comment. You're in a very small minority for wanting to do this. > > > > Sure, because Mac users typically don't care how the computer works; > they just want to use the software to accomplish something. Checking > wear, upgrading and changing components is all beneath them. Those who > would wish to do such things are peons. > > Seriously though, I like the Apple-silicon Macs but I'm realizing that > I'm not the kind of person who would be content knowing that whatever I > purchased can't be changed in the slightest after purchase. I love how > easily Apple hardware communicates with other Apple hardware and find > MacOS to be a nice system, but I'm realizing that the best compromise > for me is Linux delivered by a steady community like that of Fedora. > Yes, I quite agree; it's a matter of 'horses for courses'. Personally, having played the field, I simply can't be bothered any more getting to grips with the nuts and bolts of the system. Macs suit me well, they do what I want of them. If I need anything more (e.g. ham radio stuff) I know how to achieve it in a VM; not many people would even dream of doing that. -- ^Ï^. Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS My pet rock Gordon just is.
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 08:13 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software |
| Message-ID | <gAveP.449257$DYF8.190480@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #682910 |
On 2025-01-04 22:39, Sn!pe wrote: > Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: > > [...] > >>>> I wanted to install something to calculate the wear on my MacBook M1's >>>> storage and experienced this first-hand. It's much easier with Linux. >>>> >>> >>> Fair comment. You're in a very small minority for wanting to do this. >>> >> >> Sure, because Mac users typically don't care how the computer works; >> they just want to use the software to accomplish something. Checking >> wear, upgrading and changing components is all beneath them. Those who >> would wish to do such things are peons. >> >> Seriously though, I like the Apple-silicon Macs but I'm realizing that >> I'm not the kind of person who would be content knowing that whatever I >> purchased can't be changed in the slightest after purchase. I love how >> easily Apple hardware communicates with other Apple hardware and find >> MacOS to be a nice system, but I'm realizing that the best compromise >> for me is Linux delivered by a steady community like that of Fedora. >> > > Yes, I quite agree; it's a matter of 'horses for courses'. Personally, > having played the field, I simply can't be bothered any more getting to > grips with the nuts and bolts of the system. I am admittedly feeling the same way now that I'm nearing middle age, which is partly why I am reverting to the frame of mind I had in my 20s when I was a fan of Apple and Mac OS X. Had the hardware not been too slow to run the operating system back then, I probably wouldn't have returned to Windows in 2006 or so. I was considering making all my hardware Apple when it will be time to replace what I own, but I don't feel comfortable spending nearly 3k or more on something that I can't upgrade. Since I also don't want to be stuck with an unfixable bug like the fTPM stuttering in Windows, Linux seems like the perfect solution. > Macs suit me well, they do what I want of them. If I need anything more > (e.g. ham radio stuff) I know how to achieve it in a VM; not many people > would even dream of doing that. I'm especially a fan of the battery life I got when I still had that Macbook Air M1. I imagine that it would have gotten worse had I allowed the battery to wear out like most people do, but at 98% health, it was remarkable. I could go an entire workday with a single charge. Still, it definitely needed more than 8GB of RAM and 256GB was definitely not enough storage, but there was nothing I could do about it. Additionally, once the 256GB wore out (within the first five years by my calculations), there would have been nothing I could do to replace the storage. Not only that, but once the storage is worn, it shorts the CPU rendering the entire unit useless anyway. I've watched enough videos about it on YouTube to prompt me to sell a machine I otherwise liked very much. Considering this, I am likely to move to a manufacturer specializing in Linux hardware with an open BIOS and the rest. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41 KDE supporting member
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 08:52 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software |
| Message-ID | <827lnjt1spp7000d3pu6mhorbmvfch5d2f@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #682904 |
Andrzej Matuch wrote: >Seriously though, I like the Apple-silicon Macs but I'm realizing that >I'm not the kind of person who would be content knowing that whatever I >purchased can't be changed in the slightest after purchase. Yeah, it makes them a less fun, to us computer geeks. -- '[chrisv] literally said it was "stupid" to test the code vs relying on compiler warnings.' - DumFSck, lying shamelessly
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 16:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlec6f$1433d$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682888 |
Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: > On 2025-01-04 19:39, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 21:50:21 +0000, Sn!pe wrote: >> >>> [OT] That's the great thing about Apple: from the users' viewpoint it >>> all "just works". >> >> Until it doesn’t. Why do you think Mac users feel the need for something >> like Homebrew? That adds Linux-style package-manager functionality that is >> missing from macOS. Because without it, trying to install open-source >> software turns into a complete nightmare. > > I wanted to install something to calculate the wear on my MacBook M1's > storage and experienced this first-hand. It's much easier with Linux. That's a surprise. Was trivial here.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-04 20:53 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vlcon6$naqn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682770 |
On Sat, 1/4/2025 10:01 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > On 2025-01-03 23:50, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 02:32:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >> >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> We have that, too. It’s called Jupyter <https://jupyter.org/>. >>> >>> Not user-friendly enough. >> >> If by “user-friendly” you mean “aimed at those accustomed to Microsoft >> mediocrity”, then you’d be right. > > At first glance, there is a lot about Windows that is way more user-friendly than Linux. However, if you take something like Linux Mint and compare it to Windows 11, you'd wonder _how_ Windows 11 is friendlier. In Windows 11, some applications can't be removed and you don't get an idea why. Some Windows components aren't even listed in the applications so you have to wonder how to install or remove them. For drivers, they're installed through Windows Update but if they don't work right, you just have to know about the Device Manager which is impossible to find on your own because they're phasing out the Control Panel. Some programs are available through the Window Store, others through the web which means that some are repairable and easily uninstallable whereas the others aren't... and so on. For new users, Linux Mint is actually _much_ simpler than Windows is. > A typical Windows user: 1) Uses the hard drive they bought, until one morning it doesn't respond. "Yeah, it was clicking last week. What does that mean, anyway?" 2) They don't have any backups (as a followup to (1)). 3) Sometimes they notice that Windows Update hasn't run for the last 3 years. Now, what could be simpler than that really ? This is why sometimes, when a problem description comes along, you don't know what they're talking about. And occasionally, you discover their stuff is way way out of date and broken. And the chances of fixing all the accumulated issues are pretty low. Paul
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2024-12-28 21:26 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <Jr2cP.102507$DYF8.47346@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #681535 |
On 2024-12-28 19:32, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 15:07:39 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > >> Yeah, it sometimes pains me that it is brought up as often as it is as >> some sort of must-have piece of software. It suggests that people don't >> do much other than open up Word and Excel. > > I'm the minority report. I have never used Office. I have no need for it > in my personal life and the company never installed it on the programming > machines. If we get RFPs or other documents in docx or xlsx we use > LibreOffice. For me, that's a read-only thing since my attempts to edit > anything were disasters. > > The first speadsheet I encountered was SuperCalc that was bundled on the > Osborne 1 CP/M machine in '81. I never figured out how to use it or what > it was good for. 40 years later I've never created any document with Excel > or any other spreadsheet. The closest I've come is I'm told the Power BI > queries are based on Excel's. Even then I was mining a SQL Server > database, not anything created in Excel. > > Office sofware in general is a whole other world for me. People are > welcome to it but saying you must only do simple programming because you > can't write a VBA script for Office is beyond sheer ignorance. The only thing I've ever used Office for is essays and the occasional presentation. I've said it before: even AbiWord is more than enough for me. If I recall correctly, AbiWord had every feature I needed to write university essays and I actually became quite loyal to the program because it bailed me out when I had no other program to write with. It's pretty useless for the advanced Office files we all receive from others, but it's spectacular with any new document you might want to produce. The bonus is that it's fast as heck in 2024. Hell, it was fast and light as heck even in 2002 or whatever year it was. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-29 06:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ltc934Fb5sU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #681547 |
On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 21:26:49 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > The only thing I've ever used Office for is essays and the occasional > presentation. I've said it before: even AbiWord is more than enough for > me. If I recall correctly, AbiWord had every feature I needed to write > university essays and I actually became quite loyal to the program > because it bailed me out when I had no other program to write with. It's > pretty useless for the advanced Office files we all receive from others, > but it's spectacular with any new document you might want to produce. > The bonus is that it's fast as heck in 2024. Hell, it was fast and light > as heck even in 2002 or whatever year it was. Essays in my school days generally involve a pen and 'blue book' for exams or a cheap manual typewriter in some cases. The first word processor I was exposed to was WordStar that was bundled on a CP/M system, over ten years later. It was serviceable as a programming editor. Vim was in the future and vi, prior to improvement, was primitive. In later years any documentation I did was with Vim. The process was we would try to dig up a past document that was sort of like the new interface. I'd make notes on it, the tech writer would make it pretty, I would review it, rinse and repeat. Over time I became convinced the clients seldom read the final product anyway.
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2024-12-29 07:17 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <w5bcP.212599$oR74.73428@fx16.iad> |
| In reply to | #681564 |
On 2024-12-29 01:38, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 21:26:49 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > >> The only thing I've ever used Office for is essays and the occasional >> presentation. I've said it before: even AbiWord is more than enough for >> me. If I recall correctly, AbiWord had every feature I needed to write >> university essays and I actually became quite loyal to the program >> because it bailed me out when I had no other program to write with. It's >> pretty useless for the advanced Office files we all receive from others, >> but it's spectacular with any new document you might want to produce. >> The bonus is that it's fast as heck in 2024. Hell, it was fast and light >> as heck even in 2002 or whatever year it was. > > Essays in my school days generally involve a pen and 'blue book' for exams > or a cheap manual typewriter in some cases. The first word processor I was > exposed to was WordStar that was bundled on a CP/M system, over ten years > later. It was serviceable as a programming editor. Vim was in the future > and vi, prior to improvement, was primitive. > > In later years any documentation I did was with Vim. The process was we > would try to dig up a past document that was sort of like the new > interface. I'd make notes on it, the tech writer would make it pretty, I > would review it, rinse and repeat. Over time I became convinced the > clients seldom read the final product anyway. I remember being in high school and talking about the latest 486 and dual-speed CD-ROM when my English teacher came up to me and asked me what was so exciting about that. He told me he was using some ancient technology (I don't remember which) and mentioned that the exam we just did was prepared on that. I was actually surprised to hear that because I recalled that printers in the 1980s other than PC ones were usually tiny daisy wheel ones. Either way, if that guy is still alive, I imagine he'd make a perfect Linux user because of his reluctance to change his equipment to follow trends. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
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| From | Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-12-29 13:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vkri90$1058i$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681580 |
Andrzej Matuch wrote: [snip] > I was actually surprised to hear that because > I recalled that printers in the 1980s other than PC ones were usually > tiny daisy wheel ones. I had a daisy wheel printer. Massive thing, beautifully made, with a chrome steel frame; used tractor feed paper, and produced very nice printed output. But is was as noisy as a machine gun! So I installed it in the front porch - which we never used anyway - and drilled a hole through the wall for power and the RS232 data cable. I gave it away when I wanted something which would cope with simple graphics so got a dot-matrix printer - which was a bit quieter. -- Graham J
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2024-12-29 08:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <SqccP.125119$0O61.68299@fx15.iad> |
| In reply to | #681586 |
On 2024-12-29 08:19, Graham J wrote: > Andrzej Matuch wrote: > > [snip] > >> I was actually surprised to hear that because I recalled that printers >> in the 1980s other than PC ones were usually tiny daisy wheel ones. > > I had a daisy wheel printer. Massive thing, beautifully made, with a > chrome steel frame; used tractor feed paper, and produced very nice > printed output. But is was as noisy as a machine gun! So I installed > it in the front porch - which we never used anyway - and drilled a hole > through the wall for power and the RS232 data cable. > > I gave it away when I wanted something which would cope with simple > graphics so got a dot-matrix printer - which was a bit quieter. The first printer I owned was a 24-pin printer I got with my IBM PS/1. It was probably a lot quieter than what you used but still too annoyingly loud for my taste. I quite enjoyed how quiet inkjet was (even though I hated how frequently you had to get more ink) and then the laser printer. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-29 08:02 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <2cl2nj1casbgtl1sgjt6480kvdga1qpclm@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #681588 |
Andrzej Matuch wrote: > Graham J wrote: >> >> I had a daisy wheel printer. Massive thing, beautifully made, with a >> chrome steel frame; used tractor feed paper, and produced very nice >> printed output. But is was as noisy as a machine gun! So I installed >> it in the front porch - which we never used anyway - and drilled a hole >> through the wall for power and the RS232 data cable. That's awesome. 8) >> I gave it away when I wanted something which would cope with simple >> graphics so got a dot-matrix printer - which was a bit quieter. > >The first printer I owned was a 24-pin printer I got with my IBM PS/1. >It was probably a lot quieter than what you used but still too >annoyingly loud for my taste. Mine was an Epson JX-80. It had only 9 pins, but it had a near-letter-quality mode and also color! -- "there are too many choices in some categories of computer hardware" - some dumb fsck, putting his ignorance on display
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2024-12-29 09:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <FJccP.12947$G93a.4581@fx05.iad> |
| In reply to | #681590 |
On 2024-12-29 09:02, chrisv wrote: > Andrzej Matuch wrote: > >> Graham J wrote: >>> >>> I had a daisy wheel printer. Massive thing, beautifully made, with a >>> chrome steel frame; used tractor feed paper, and produced very nice >>> printed output. But is was as noisy as a machine gun! So I installed >>> it in the front porch - which we never used anyway - and drilled a hole >>> through the wall for power and the RS232 data cable. > > That's awesome. 8) > >>> I gave it away when I wanted something which would cope with simple >>> graphics so got a dot-matrix printer - which was a bit quieter. >> >> The first printer I owned was a 24-pin printer I got with my IBM PS/1. >> It was probably a lot quieter than what you used but still too >> annoyingly loud for my taste. > > Mine was an Epson JX-80. It had only 9 pins, but it had a > near-letter-quality mode and also color! And I will bet that the toner cartridge (or whatever it is called) lasted forever. I never printed enough to figure out how long it lasts and eventually sold that printer for a measly $105 or so. I'm sure it was worth a lot more though. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
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| From | Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-29 19:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6771a3eb$10$3620715$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #681588 |
On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 08:48:34 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote: [snip] > The first printer I owned was a 24-pin printer I got with my IBM PS/1. > It was probably a lot quieter than what you used but still too > annoyingly loud for my taste. I quite enjoyed how quiet inkjet was (even > though I hated how frequently you had to get more ink) and then the > laser printer. My first printer was an Epsom MX-80 (8-pin). At the time, I was in college and had an assignment to print a graph. The prior assignment was on A/D converters and led to a collection of 256 8-bit numbers. This assignment was to generate a graph from them. The school printer had only 7 pins, and was much harder to use than mine. Although I was allowed to do the assignment at home, I ended up learning both systems because I was helping a bunch of other students. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -- Blaise Pascal
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| From | Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-29 19:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6771a706$0$3474736$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #681612 |
On 29 Dec 2024 19:32:59 GMT, Mark Lloyd wrote: [snip] > My first printer was an Epsom MX-80 (8-pin). Correction: it was a 9-pin printer, but only 8 were used for bitmap graphics. I don't remember how line feed worked. > At the time, I was in > college and had an assignment to print a graph. The prior assignment was > on A/D converters and led to a collection of 256 8-bit numbers. This > assignment was to generate a graph from them. The school printer had > only 7 pins, and was much harder to use than mine. Although I was > allowed to do the assignment at home, I ended up learning both systems > because I was helping a bunch of other students. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -- Blaise Pascal
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-29 20:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ltdrbiF7nkqU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #681580 |
On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 07:17:32 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > I remember being in high school and talking about the latest 486 and > dual-speed CD-ROM when my English teacher came up to me and asked me > what was so exciting about that. He told me he was using some ancient > technology (I don't remember which) and mentioned that the exam we just > did was prepared on that. I was actually surprised to hear that because > I recalled that printers in the 1980s other than PC ones were usually > tiny daisy wheel ones. My hatred for printers goes way back. The products were laboratory pH meters and auto-titrators but they could print out the results. Every printer was different, dot matrix, daisy wheels, thermal, and so forth. We would send a gopher to ComputerLand to buy a printer, determine what it needed to print, and then send the gopher back to exchange it for another model. We legitimately bought enough from ComputerLand that they put up with the ruse. The worst were the little thermals but they were popular in labs. I was amazed when I plugged the USB Samsung into the Ubuntu box and it just worked. That definitely has not been my experience with printers.
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2024-12-29 17:03 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <2HjcP.132640$0O61.22996@fx15.iad> |
| In reply to | #681628 |
On 2024-12-29 15:56, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 07:17:32 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > >> I remember being in high school and talking about the latest 486 and >> dual-speed CD-ROM when my English teacher came up to me and asked me >> what was so exciting about that. He told me he was using some ancient >> technology (I don't remember which) and mentioned that the exam we just >> did was prepared on that. I was actually surprised to hear that because >> I recalled that printers in the 1980s other than PC ones were usually >> tiny daisy wheel ones. > > My hatred for printers goes way back. The products were laboratory pH > meters and auto-titrators but they could print out the results. Every > printer was different, dot matrix, daisy wheels, thermal, and so forth. We > would send a gopher to ComputerLand to buy a printer, determine what it > needed to print, and then send the gopher back to exchange it for another > model. We legitimately bought enough from ComputerLand that they put up > with the ruse. The worst were the little thermals but they were popular in > labs. > > I was amazed when I plugged the USB Samsung into the Ubuntu box and it > just worked. That definitely has not been my experience with printers. I actually had some trouble with my printer with Linux a couple of days ago. Unlike my previous Linux installations, it just wouldn't detect the damned thing. After a minute or so, I realized that I had changed my ISP's router a few months back and hadn't connected the printer to it since because my basement, where the printer is located, was flooded in August and we were waiting for it to be restored. A push-button setup later and it worked like a charm. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
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| From | Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 23:32 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <vl2k0m$1lbtk$4@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #681628 |
On 12/29/24 2:56 PM, rbowman wrote: > I was amazed when I plugged the USB Samsung into the Ubuntu box and it > just worked. That definitely has not been my experience with printers. Huh.. My Canon pixma wouldn't work with Mint, which is a Ubuntu, during one whole day of trial and error.
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| From | DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 11:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vleak2$13eiv$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682021 |
On 1/1/2025 12:32 AM, Physfitfreak wrote: > Huh.. My Canon pixma wouldn't work with Mint, which is a Ubuntu, during > one whole day of trial and error. Welcome to Linux! First thing you need to do is setup an account at https://forums.linuxmint.com/
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 13:29 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <VbAeP.98928$62H.13997@fx36.iad> |
| In reply to | #682971 |
On 2025-01-05 11:05, DFS wrote: > On 1/1/2025 12:32 AM, Physfitfreak wrote: > > >> Huh.. My Canon pixma wouldn't work with Mint, which is a Ubuntu, >> during one whole day of trial and error. > > > Welcome to Linux! > > First thing you need to do is setup an account at https:// > forums.linuxmint.com/ It is most likely not a Mint problem as much as a camera problem. Unlike in Windows where the user would be prompted to install drivers to use the camera as-is without any kind of modification, he will probably have to set it up to be detected as external storage on the camera itself. This is yet another example of hardware insisting on using proprietary protocols to be communicated with when none should have been necessary, much like the iPhone in Linux. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41 KDE supporting member
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 13:53 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vlekej$13ci0$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682994 |
On 1/5/25 1:29 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > On 2025-01-05 11:05, DFS wrote: >> On 1/1/2025 12:32 AM, Physfitfreak wrote: >> >> >>> Huh.. My Canon pixma wouldn't work with Mint, which is a Ubuntu, >>> during one whole day of trial and error. >> >> >> Welcome to Linux! >> >> First thing you need to do is setup an account at https:// >> forums.linuxmint.com/ > > It is most likely not a Mint problem as much as a camera problem. Unlike > in Windows where the user would be prompted to install drivers to use > the camera as-is without any kind of modification, he will probably have > to set it up to be detected as external storage on the camera itself. > This is yet another example of hardware insisting on using proprietary > protocols to be communicated with when none should have been necessary, > much like the iPhone in Linux. Nice guess ... but "Pixma" is a printer. And Canon does provide some support for Linux printer drivers, but as per their website's language, it is apparently quite limited: "Canon currently only provides support for PIXMA products and the Linux operating system by providing basic drivers in a limited amount of languages. These basic drivers may not encompass the full range of functionalities for all printer and all-in-one products but they will allow basic printing and scanning operation. Linux drivers are not supplied as part of Canon’s installation CD-ROM and these are instead made available via our support area. Please select your product and filter the results based on language and operating system. Canon does not offer specific after care support for Linux related issues beyond the provision of the initial drivers." <https://www.canon-europe.com/support/operating-system-information/> -hh
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