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| Started by | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| First post | 2024-12-19 20:03 -0500 |
| Last post | 2024-12-25 16:19 -0500 |
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The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 20:03 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 16:52 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-21 07:26 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 23:15 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-23 23:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 11:48 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-25 06:54 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-25 20:39 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 22:23 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-28 07:04 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 16:53 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-28 19:34 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 15:07 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 15:12 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 17:11 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 17:17 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 13:16 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 14:24 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 15:39 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 16:06 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 17:10 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 17:39 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 18:58 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 19:10 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 19:21 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:55 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 18:02 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 18:35 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 19:51 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 20:00 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-29 22:34 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 03:48 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 19:55 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 20:15 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 21:49 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2024-12-30 04:06 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 08:31 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-30 19:12 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:53 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 21:06 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-31 11:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 01:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 20:52 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 17:02 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-01-18 11:54 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 18:46 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:51 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 09:34 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 00:53 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:42 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:44 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 23:14 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 03:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 10:09 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 00:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-29 01:43 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 20:52 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 07:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 06:58 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 21:17 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 20:41 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 23:31 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-30 10:56 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 03:24 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 13:50 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-31 13:18 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-31 19:14 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-01 07:44 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:22 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 19:36 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2024-12-31 19:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 11:46 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:27 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:16 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 18:50 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 02:30 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:55 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 07:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 01:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 16:15 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 16:39 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 19:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:30 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 07:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-30 12:53 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-30 13:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:56 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 16:45 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 19:31 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-01 14:50 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 22:03 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:41 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 00:15 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 05:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 22:03 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-04 04:50 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 08:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:42 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 01:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:59 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 10:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 10:29 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 10:38 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 11:45 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 12:00 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-04 18:01 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 13:59 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-04 20:45 +0000
The Desktop Environment (was: Re: The problem with not owning the software) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-05 03:05 +0000
Re: The Desktop Environment (was: Re: The problem with not owning the software) pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-05 17:28 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-04 20:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-04 15:58 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-04 11:23 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-04 21:13 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-04 21:50 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:39 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 00:59 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 01:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 03:04 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 16:07 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:22 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 08:23 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 22:47 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 00:12 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-07 02:10 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-07 02:31 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 14:12 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-08 02:26 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 13:28 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-08 21:28 +0000
[OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 01:50 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 03:01 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 03:25 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 06:47 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 08:20 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-08 12:21 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-08 14:10 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 21:18 -0500
[OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 02:34 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 22:08 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-04 22:34 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-05 07:19 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-05 10:39 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 03:39 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 08:13 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-05 08:52 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 16:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 20:53 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 21:26 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 06:38 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 07:17 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-12-29 13:19 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 08:48 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-29 08:02 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 09:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 20:56 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 17:03 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 23:32 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-05 11:05 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 13:29 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-05 13:53 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-05 15:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-06 10:17 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 10:28 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-06 11:26 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-06 12:34 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 12:40 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-06 14:23 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-06 16:27 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 13:21 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2024-12-29 07:41 -0700
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-30 19:05 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 20:50 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 22:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-03 09:09 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-03 20:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-03 21:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-03 23:28 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 21:17 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-04 22:25 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:19 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-04 04:49 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 01:10 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 15:55 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:20 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 08:11 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-06 16:16 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 22:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-11 11:36 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 23:20 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-30 18:58 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:59 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-31 02:18 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 08:41 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-31 13:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-31 13:54 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-31 19:26 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-01 07:43 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 10:32 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:37 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 19:43 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:47 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 18:58 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-31 19:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-31 19:32 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-01 01:43 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 11:53 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 10:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:32 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 21:34 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 16:47 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 19:29 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:59 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-02 18:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 11:26 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-03 08:55 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 14:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 19:32 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-05 15:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:17 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-06 14:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:47 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:14 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-30 19:02 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-31 10:10 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 08:50 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-31 12:09 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-04 10:31 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-25 16:19 -0500
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-04 22:25 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vlcu31$ndi8$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682898 |
On 1/4/25 9:57 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 21:17:47 -0500, Paul wrote: > >> At another place I worked, it was PERL. The CAD tools had a few >> shortcomings, and on some days, if you walked by desks, everyone >> was coding in PERL to make up for the productivity shortfall of >> the CAD tool. The funny part, was when one of our engineers won >> the award with that brand of software, for the "most complex design >> of the year" using the stuff. The potential customers would think >> the CAD tool had done the work, when it was something like a hundred >> individual PERL scripts that managed the design (the PERL updated >> signal lists on wide buses in the design -- the CAD tool expected >> you to "click each one and edit it", which is idiotic). > > Were your Perl scripts able to access the CAD files directly? Were they in > some non-proprietary format? > > On the one hand, this kind of labour-saving operation is exactly why > programmable computers were invented. On the other hand, as you mentioned, > too much of the credit tends to go to the name-brand proprietary tool at > the most conspicuous point of your workflow, instead of the generalized > open-source toolkit operating in the background, that greatly simplified > the major part of the work. Not necessarily a question of generalized vs proprietary, because before even taking that step, the workflows are what matters. If your assignments are pretty clearly delineated and more consistently fixed for inputs/outputs, then with repetition & definition, they're quite conducive to automation through such scripting/macro/etc tools and these are then a boon. OTOH, if you're in a knowledge worker whose steps are less rigorously defined ... the tasks are more "squishy" ... workflows can have "rhymes & echos" on fundamental principles, but vary widely enough such that they're not sufficiently similar enough to make scripting/automation be viable: the lack of applied value-added makes the same automation capability become more of a curiosity for that workflow use case need, regardless of the open source vs proprietary fanboy debates. -hh
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-04 02:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vla5qr$5tqv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682393 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > >>> ... suggests that people don't do much other than open up Word and >>> Excel. >> >> In the professional world that's pretty accurate. > > Doesn’t sound like that adjective “professional” extends to the actual > quality of results, then. Based on what, exactly?
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-04 04:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlaelm$au6q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682676 |
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 02:19:07 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >> >>>> ... suggests that people don't do much other than open up Word and >>>> Excel. >>> >>> In the professional world that's pretty accurate. >> >> Doesn’t sound like that adjective “professional” extends to the actual >> quality of results, then. > > Based on what, exactly? Based on the known issues with over-reliance on Microsoft products.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 01:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlcm6h$mvt4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682694 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 02:19:07 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >>> >>>>> ... suggests that people don't do much other than open up Word and >>>>> Excel. >>>> >>>> In the professional world that's pretty accurate. >>> >>> Doesn’t sound like that adjective “professional” extends to the actual >>> quality of results, then. >> >> Based on what, exactly? > > Based on the known issues with over-reliance on Microsoft products. Such as? Excluding the gene name issue, which is pretty niche.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 02:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlcs4m$nnc8$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682872 |
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 01:10:42 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 02:19:07 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >> >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >>>> >>>>>> ... suggests that people don't do much other than open up Word and >>>>>> Excel. >>>>> >>>>> In the professional world that's pretty accurate. >>>> >>>> Doesn’t sound like that adjective “professional” extends to the actual >>>> quality of results, then. >>> >>> Based on what, exactly? >> >> Based on the known issues with over-reliance on Microsoft products. > > Such as? Excluding the gene name issue, which is pretty niche. It’s affecting a whole lot of research work <https://genomebiology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13059-016-1044-7>. Then there was the massive screwup over underreporting of COVID-19 figures in the UK, which went undetected for months <https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/10/excel-glitch-may-have-caused-uk-to-underreport-covid-19-cases-by-15841/>. The Austrian Social Democratic Party’s botched election of a new leader <https://www.theregister.com/2023/06/06/austria_election_excel_blunder/>. How many Excel screwups can you commit in just one job? <https://www.theregister.com/2023/10/12/excel_anesthetist_recruitment_blunder/>. Is it a good idea for a Formula 1 team to use Excel to manage its parts inventory? <https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/03/formula-1-chief-appalled-to-find-team-using-excel-to-manage-20000-car-parts/>. There are entire websites devoted to compiling errors caused by using Microsoft Excel.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 15:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlea1a$13l66$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682897 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 01:10:42 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 02:19:07 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >>> >>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> ... suggests that people don't do much other than open up Word and >>>>>>> Excel. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the professional world that's pretty accurate. >>>>> >>>>> Doesn’t sound like that adjective “professional” extends to the actual >>>>> quality of results, then. >>>> >>>> Based on what, exactly? >>> >>> Based on the known issues with over-reliance on Microsoft products. >> >> Such as? Excluding the gene name issue, which is pretty niche. > > It’s affecting a whole lot of research work > <https://genomebiology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13059-016-1044-7>. > > Then there was the massive screwup over underreporting of COVID-19 > figures in the UK, which went undetected for months > <https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/10/excel-glitch-may-have-caused-uk-to-underreport-covid-19-cases-by-15841/>. > > The Austrian Social Democratic Party’s botched election of a new > leader > <https://www.theregister.com/2023/06/06/austria_election_excel_blunder/>. > > How many Excel screwups can you commit in just one job? > <https://www.theregister.com/2023/10/12/excel_anesthetist_recruitment_blunder/>. > > Is it a good idea for a Formula 1 team to use Excel to manage its > parts inventory? > <https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/03/formula-1-chief-appalled-to-find-team-using-excel-to-manage-20000-car-parts/>. > > There are entire websites devoted to compiling errors caused by using > Microsoft Excel. I'm the first to admit that poor use of excel can have serious implications. It is part of my lectures to University students. My "favourite" example is the misapplication of economic austerity during a recession: https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/lifestyle/george-osborne-plunged-uk-into-austerity-due-to-an-error-on-a-spreadsheet-335732/ The error caused a reverse in the sign of the outcome meaning that austerity was actually harmful to the economy rather than beneficial as was originally claimed. Having said all that, claiming that using MS Office is "unprofessional" is laughable.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-06 00:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlf7k4$197h8$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682967 |
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 15:55:22 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > Having said all that, claiming that using MS Office is "unprofessional" > is laughable. What else do you call it, when “professionals” who should know better, continue to use it to make the same old mistakes? A research paper on the lessons learned <https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1008984> since the mass-renaming of genes to avoid Excel mistakenly converting them to dates: none. No lessons were learned.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-06 08:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlg37p$1hall$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #683049 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 15:55:22 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > >> Having said all that, claiming that using MS Office is "unprofessional" >> is laughable. > > What else do you call it, when “professionals” who should know better, > continue to use it to make the same old mistakes? > > A research paper on the lessons learned > <https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1008984> > since the mass-renaming of genes to avoid Excel mistakenly converting > them to dates: none. > > No lessons were learned. You've ignored my previous response where HUPO has changed the official names for the problematic genes. Although, I do agree not enough scientists know the limitations and pitfalls of depending too much on excel or other spreadsheet programmes.
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| From | DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> |
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| Date | 2025-01-06 16:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vlhh71$1qacp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682897 |
On 1/4/2025 9:52 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 01:10:42 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 02:19:07 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >>> >>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> ... suggests that people don't do much other than open up Word and >>>>>>> Excel. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the professional world that's pretty accurate. >>>>> >>>>> Doesn’t sound like that adjective “professional” extends to the actual >>>>> quality of results, then. >>>> >>>> Based on what, exactly? >>> >>> Based on the known issues with over-reliance on Microsoft products. >> >> Such as? Excluding the gene name issue, which is pretty niche. > > It’s affecting a whole lot of research work > <https://genomebiology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13059-016-1044-7>. I entered a gene named 'March 2' (no apostrophes) into LO Calc and it converted to a date. That egregious data mangling issue would affect a whole lot of genetics research work... if anyone was crazy enough to use LeeberOffice. > Then there was the massive screwup over underreporting of COVID-19 > figures in the UK, which went undetected for months > <https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/10/excel-glitch-may-have-caused-uk-to-underreport-covid-19-cases-by-15841/>. > > The Austrian Social Democratic Party’s botched election of a new > leader > <https://www.theregister.com/2023/06/06/austria_election_excel_blunder/>. > > How many Excel screwups can you commit in just one job? > <https://www.theregister.com/2023/10/12/excel_anesthetist_recruitment_blunder/>. > > Is it a good idea for a Formula 1 team to use Excel to manage its > parts inventory? > <https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/03/formula-1-chief-appalled-to-find-team-using-excel-to-manage-20000-car-parts/>. You're literally blaming human error on Excel. There's a good Linux advocate. > There are entire websites devoted to compiling errors caused by using > Microsoft Excel. I notice you didn't say 'caused by Microsoft Excel'. Why stop lying now? On the other hand, here's a partial list of websites devoted to compiling errors that were actually caused by GuhNoo hobbyware (or in a minority of instances human error). https://bbs.archlinux.org/ https://www.centos.org/forums/ http://forums.debian.net/ http://fedoraforum.org/ http://forums.gentoo.org/ https://forum.manjaro.org http://forums.linuxmint.com/ http://forums.opensuse.org/ http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/ https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/forumdisplay.php?forumid=14 http://ubuntuforums.org MS is doomed Excel is doomed
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-06 22:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlhmg6$1r4f4$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #683190 |
On Mon, 6 Jan 2025 16:16:20 -0500, DFS wrote: > I entered a gene named 'March 2' (no apostrophes) into LO Calc and it > converted to a date. I tried importing some of those potentially troublesome gene names from a CSV file with LO Calc’s default settings, and it read them in just fine. You see, it has some smarts to tell what’s supposed to be a date, from something that’s not. > That egregious data mangling issue would affect a whole lot of genetics > research work... if anyone was crazy enough to use LibreOffice. That is in fact the recommendation in that paper I cited -- if you don’t know how to use proper stats software, but only know spreadsheets, than LO Calc is a better (or rather, less bad) choice than Excel. > You're literally blaming human error on Excel. HAL: “Well, I don’t think there is any question about it. It can only be attributable to human error. This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error.” Poole: “Listen, HAL ... There’s never been any instance at all of a ... computer error occurring in the 9000 series, has there?” HAL: “None whatsoever, Frank. The 9000 series has a perfect operational record.” Poole: “Well, of course I know all the wonderful achievements of the 9000 series, but ... uh ... Are you certain there’s never been any case of even the most insignificant computer error?” HAL: “None whatsoever, Frank. Quite honestly, I wouldn’t worry myself about that.”
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| From | Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> |
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| Date | 2025-01-11 11:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <678257d1$0$437$426a74cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #683190 |
Le 06-01-2025, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit : > > I entered a gene named 'March 2' (no apostrophes) into LO Calc and it > converted to a date. > > That egregious data mangling issue would affect a whole lot of genetics > research work... if anyone was crazy enough to use LeeberOffice. I have nothing to say about LibreOffice, but Excel is a piece of shit about mangling data. I'm not the only one to saw it. A French town had to change it's name because of it: <https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/insolite/dordogne-la-commune-de-faux-va-changer-de-nom-9432635> And I'm not speaking about a very old issue, it just happened. The name of the town, "Faux" is derived from the ancient name of a tree and is the exact translation of "false" in English. And when the town was concerned it's name either disappeared are were translated. Personally, I have a lot of issues opening files with utf-8 data or with fields separated by a ";" instead of a "," because the coma is the French decimal point. And for the end, as you are speaking about dates, as I wasn't able to change the regional language of my computer for security reasons when I used a Windows computer, I had no way to tell Excel the language of the file. And with an English file opened on a french Windows, the only way was to deal with the dates in a text editor before being able to open them in Excel. Because, for example, when you have "JAN", as it's the same for the beginning of French "Janvier" and for the beginning of the English "January", it was translated into a date. But, then, the beginning of the English "February" is "FEB", which is not the same as the beginning of the French "Février" which is "FEV" or "FÉV" depending of the context it was not changed. So, I had half of the dates changes and the other half not changed. So, maybe OnlyOffice mangles data, but I can assure you that Excel is far from good in this game. I would prefer something that does nothing with data and let me manage them by myself. -- Si vous avez du temps à perdre : https://scarpet42.gitlab.io
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| From | Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 23:20 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <vl2jbf$1lbtk$3@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #681490 |
On 12/28/24 1:34 PM, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 07:04:57 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 22:23:49 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: >> >>> On 26/12/2024 4:39 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>> >>>> As a programmer, I like to use powerful and versatile tools. That >>>> includes the ability to automate workflow. >>>> >>>> Tools exist for this purpose, like odfpy for ISO 26300 files, which >>>> are the native format of LibreOffice. And LibreOffice itself can run >>>> Python code. >>> >>> My programming tasks has never ever needed to automate Office using >>> VBA. >> >> So your needs are fairly simple. That’s nothing to be ashamed of. > > You do realize there is a whole world outside of Office? Excel is a trick for business owners to use programming skills of their employees, if there, but continue paying them the secretaries' salary for doing it. I did not fall for that.
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| From | DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> |
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| Date | 2024-12-30 18:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vkvc2e$1rt3s$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681360 |
On 12/27/2024 9:23 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: > On 26/12/2024 4:39 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> >> As a programmer, I like to use powerful and versatile tools. That >> includes >> the ability to automate workflow. >> >> Tools exist for this purpose, like odfpy for ISO 26300 files, which are >> the native format of LibreOffice. And LibreOffice itself can run Python >> code. > > My programming tasks has never ever needed to automate Office using VBA. If you ever do need to automate office software or build custom applications, you'll find that MS Office and VBA is extremely superior to ALL other office software. WordPerfect and LibreOffice also offer some automation/programmability, but not nearly at the level of MS Office.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 00:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vkvfl8$1sirn$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681799 |
On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 18:58:06 -0500, DFS wrote: > If you ever do need to automate office software or build custom > applications, you'll find that MS Office and VBA is extremely superior > to ALL other office software. Unfortunately, no. Even Microsoft realizes that VBA is crap, which is why it is offering Python access to Excel users -- at a cost, of course.
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| From | DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 02:18 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vl05rf$24iuj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681812 |
On 12/30/2024 7:59 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 18:58:06 -0500, DFS wrote: > >> If you ever do need to automate office software or build custom >> applications, you'll find that MS Office and VBA is extremely superior >> to ALL other office software. > > Unfortunately, no. You have NO idea what you're talking about. > Even Microsoft realizes that VBA is crap, which is why > it is offering Python access to Excel users -- at a cost, of course. Python can't come close to replacing VBA (and vice versa of course).
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 08:41 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <8wScP.111411$Uup4.82236@fx10.iad> |
| In reply to | #681831 |
On 2024-12-31 02:18, DFS wrote: > On 12/30/2024 7:59 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 18:58:06 -0500, DFS wrote: >> >>> If you ever do need to automate office software or build custom >>> applications, you'll find that MS Office and VBA is extremely superior >>> to ALL other office software. >> >> Unfortunately, no. > > You have NO idea what you're talking about. > > > > Even Microsoft realizes that VBA is crap, which is why > > it is offering Python access to Excel users -- at a cost, of course. > > Python can't come close to replacing VBA (and vice versa of course). I remember Visual Basic as being the "superior" language which caused all the computers in my CÉGEP's computer lab to get infected and result in shockingly slow printing and caused students to miss their deadlines. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41 KDE supporting member
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 13:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vl1buj$2bb09$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681872 |
Andrzej Matuch wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
> On 2024-12-31 02:18, DFS wrote:
>> On 12/30/2024 7:59 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 18:58:06 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you ever do need to automate office software or build custom
>>>> applications, you'll find that MS Office and VBA is extremely superior
>>>> to ALL other office software.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, no.
>>
>> You have NO idea what you're talking about.
>>
>> > Even Microsoft realizes that VBA is crap, which is why
>> > it is offering Python access to Excel users -- at a cost, of course.
>>
>> Python can't come close to replacing VBA (and vice versa of course).
AI Overview:
While both Python and Visual Basic for Applications (VBA) can be used for
automation, Python is generally considered a more versatile and
general-purpose language, making it better for complex tasks beyond just
Microsoft Office applications, whereas VBA is specifically designed to
automate tasks within Microsoft Office programs like Excel and Word, making
it ideal for simpler, application-specific automation within that
environment.
Examples: NumPy, SciPy, STUMPY, Pandas.
On the other hand:
https://github.com/sancarn/awesome-vba
> I remember Visual Basic as being the "superior" language which caused
> all the computers in my CÉGEP's computer lab to get infected and result
> in shockingly slow printing and caused students to miss their deadlines.
--
For I swore I would stay a year away from her; out and alas!
but with break of day I went to make supplication.
-- Paulus Silentiarius, c. 540 A.D.
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| From | DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 13:54 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vl1ekg$2bq9k$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681896 |
On 12/31/2024 1:08 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > Andrzej Matuch wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: > >> On 2024-12-31 02:18, DFS wrote: >>> On 12/30/2024 7:59 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>> On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 18:58:06 -0500, DFS wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you ever do need to automate office software or build custom >>>>> applications, you'll find that MS Office and VBA is extremely superior >>>>> to ALL other office software. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, no. >>> >>> You have NO idea what you're talking about. >>> >>> > Even Microsoft realizes that VBA is crap, which is why >>> > it is offering Python access to Excel users -- at a cost, of course. >>> >>> Python can't come close to replacing VBA (and vice versa of course). > > AI Overview: > > While both Python and Visual Basic for Applications (VBA) can be used for > automation, Python is generally considered a more versatile and > general-purpose language, making it better for complex tasks beyond just > Microsoft Office applications, whereas VBA is specifically designed to > automate tasks within Microsoft Office programs like Excel and Word, making > it ideal for simpler, application-specific automation within that > environment. > > Examples: NumPy, SciPy, STUMPY, Pandas. > > On the other hand: > > https://github.com/sancarn/awesome-vba Thanks for that great link. I haven't written any meaningful VBA code in years, but it helps make MS Office the only office software worth considering if you need custom applications.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 19:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ltiurbF2k4sU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #681900 |
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 13:54:08 -0500, DFS wrote: > Thanks for that great link. I haven't written any meaningful VBA code > in years, but it helps make MS Office the only office software worth > considering if you need custom applications. Nobody has written meaningful VBA code in years.
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 07:43 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vl3da4$2ov5h$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681910 |
rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 13:54:08 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Thanks for that great link. I haven't written any meaningful VBA code
>> in years, but it helps make MS Office the only office software worth
>> considering if you need custom applications.
>
> Nobody has written meaningful VBA code in years.
Not that anyone needs this, but...
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/BASIC_Guide
This guide provides an introduction to programming with LibreOffice Basic.
To get the most out of this book, you should be familiar with other
programming languages. Extensive examples are provided to help you quickly
develop your own LibreOffice Basic programs.
This guide divides information about LibreOffice administration into
several chapters. The first three chapters introduce you to LibreOffice
Basic:
These chapters provide an overview of LibreOffice Basic and should be read
by anyone who intends to write LibreOffice Basic programs. The remaining
chapters describe the individual components of the LibreOffice API in more
detail and can be read selectively as required:
# Working with Documents
# Text Documents
# Spreadsheet Documents
# Drawings and Presentations
# Charts (Diagrams)
# Databases
# Dialogs
# Forms
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The sheep died in the wool.
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