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Where's The Advocacy?

Started by"F. Russell" <fr@random.info>
First post2018-04-17 00:32 +0000
Last post2018-04-23 13:27 -0700
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  Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-17 00:32 +0000
    Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 08:18 -0700
      Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-17 13:12 -0700
        Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 13:46 -0700
        Amazon, Google, Apple, MicroSoft, China, and Russia. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-17 15:04 -0700
        Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-18 07:00 -0500
          Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 05:01 -0700
          Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-18 06:40 -0700
            Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-18 08:53 -0500
              Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-18 11:12 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-18 13:29 -0500
            At Amazon, Profit == Waste. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-18 07:18 -0700
              Re: At Amazon, Profit == Waste. Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 10:32 -0700
            Re: Where's The Advocacy? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 10:59 -0700
              Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-18 13:18 -0500
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-18 11:25 -0700
                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-18 13:34 -0500
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 15:35 -0700
                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 23:07 -0700
              Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-18 11:19 -0700
              Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-18 14:33 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-18 13:23 -0700
                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-19 03:59 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-19 06:58 -0500
                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-19 11:27 -0400
                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-19 11:52 -0500
                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-20 03:52 -0700
                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 04:16 -0700
                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-20 06:58 -0500
                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 05:20 -0700
                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-20 06:09 -0700
                            Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 06:22 -0700
                            Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-20 08:31 -0500
                              Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-20 06:56 -0700
                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-20 09:23 -0500
                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-20 11:06 -0400
                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-20 16:19 +0000
                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-04-20 09:33 -0700
                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 09:49 -0700
                                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-04-20 10:25 -0700
                                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 10:31 -0700
                                            Re: Where's The Advocacy? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-04-20 11:03 -0700
                                            Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-20 12:57 -0700
                                              Re: Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-04-20 15:30 -0500
                                              Re: Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 13:40 -0700
                                                Re: Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-20 23:47 +0000
                                                  Re: Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 10:32 -0700
                                              Re: Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 16:45 -0500
                                                Re: Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-20 18:33 -0400
                                                  Re: Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 19:59 -0500
                                                  Re: Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-21 13:33 -0400
                                                  Re: Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-21 18:17 +0000
                                                    Re: Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 19:38 -0500
                                                      Re: Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 17:48 -0700
                                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-04-21 07:38 -0400
                                            Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-21 15:14 +0000
                                              Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 08:28 -0700
                                              Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 08:57 -0700
                                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-21 17:10 +0000
                                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-21 17:14 +0000
                                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 10:23 -0700
                                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-21 15:41 -0700
                                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 10:31 -0700
                                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 11:24 -0700
                                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 12:20 -0700
                                                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 12:30 -0700
                                                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 12:33 -0700
                                                            Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 14:00 -0700
                                                              Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 15:21 -0700
                                                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 15:36 -0700
                                                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 08:43 -0700
                                                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-23 09:03 -0700
                                                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 09:37 -0700
                                                                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-23 09:45 -0700
                                                                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 10:30 -0700
                                                                            Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-23 11:46 -0700
                                                                              Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 11:51 -0700
                                                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-24 07:09 -0500
                                                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 05:17 -0700
                                                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-24 18:00 -0500
                                                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-24 15:14 -0700
                                                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 15:50 -0700
                                                                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-24 16:02 -0700
                                                                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 00:02 -0700
                                                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 17:15 -0700
                                                                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 02:38 -0700
                                                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-25 10:55 +0000
                                                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-25 11:39 -0500
                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-21 12:43 -0400
                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-20 11:49 -0500
                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-04-20 10:24 -0700
                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-21 12:48 -0400
                                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 10:18 -0700
                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 10:13 -0700
                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-04-21 07:34 -0400
                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-21 13:39 -0400
                                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-04-22 08:48 -0400
                                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-22 10:11 -0400
                                            Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:27 -0700
                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-20 16:19 +0000
                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-04-20 09:20 -0700
                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-20 11:44 -0500
                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-04-20 10:16 -0700
                                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-20 13:07 -0500
                                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-04-20 11:50 -0700
                                            Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-20 12:42 -0700
                                              Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-20 22:48 +0000
                                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-21 03:55 -0700
                                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 04:33 -0700
                                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-21 15:23 +0000
                                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-21 12:05 -0700
                                            Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 12:49 -0700
                                              Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-20 22:45 +0000
                                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-20 19:12 -0700
                                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2018-04-20 22:54 +0100
                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 09:46 -0700
                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-20 11:13 -0700
                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-04-20 11:37 -0700
                                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-20 12:37 -0700
                                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-20 23:00 +0000
                                            Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-21 04:19 -0700
                                              Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-21 14:53 +0000
                                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-21 12:04 -0700
                                              Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-21 15:49 +0000
                                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-21 15:57 +0000
                                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-21 12:38 -0700
                                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-21 19:56 +0000
                                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-21 14:01 -0700
                                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-21 23:15 +0000
                                                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:06 -0700
                                                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-04-22 15:18 +0000
                                                            Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-22 11:25 -0400
                                                            Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 11:01 -0700
                                                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-22 16:18 +0000
                                                            Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 09:32 -0700
                                                              Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-22 16:44 +0000
                                                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-04-22 16:45 -0400
                                                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 15:38 -0700
                                                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-22 18:04 -0400
                                                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 15:33 -0700
                                                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-24 07:12 -0500
                                                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-24 12:44 +0000
                                                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-24 14:36 +0000
                                                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 08:41 -0700
                                                              Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 10:58 -0700
                                                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 11:20 -0700
                                                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 11:27 -0700
                                                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 12:23 -0700
                                                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 12:30 -0700
                                                                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 14:00 -0700
                                                                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 15:22 -0700
                                                                            Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 15:36 -0700
                                                                              Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 08:43 -0700
                                                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 11:42 -0700
                                                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-22 11:58 -0700
                                                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 12:14 -0700
                                                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 12:29 -0700
                                                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 12:41 -0700
                                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-21 15:38 -0700
                                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-21 23:17 +0000
                                                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-22 09:50 -0400
                                                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:19 -0700
                                                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:08 -0700
                                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-04-22 00:07 +0000
                                                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-22 09:59 -0400
                                                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-04-22 14:06 +0000
                                                            Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-22 10:09 -0400
                                                              Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-22 15:13 +0000
                                                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-22 11:24 -0400
                                                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:29 -0700
                                                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-22 18:02 -0400
                                                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 15:33 -0700
                                                              Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:26 -0700
                                                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-04-22 15:30 +0000
                                                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:34 -0700
                                                                What Apple gave us. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-23 10:03 -0700
                                                                  Re: What Apple gave us. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 10:33 -0700
                                                                    Re: What Apple gave us. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-23 11:47 -0700
                                                                  Re: What Apple gave us. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-23 11:21 -0700
                                                                  Re: What Apple gave us. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-23 15:35 -0400
                                                            Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:25 -0700
                                                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:21 -0700
                                                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:10 -0700
                                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 13:25 -0700
                                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-21 15:42 -0700
                                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-21 23:19 +0000
                                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:08 -0700
                                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-04-22 00:06 +0000
                                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-22 00:53 +0000
                                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 18:20 -0700
                                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:09 -0700
                                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-21 13:11 -0400
                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-20 13:41 -0500
                                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-20 12:39 -0700
                                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-20 14:57 -0500
                                            Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-20 13:22 -0700
                                              Google poured billions of dollars into FireFox. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-20 13:59 -0700
                                                Re: Google poured billions of dollars into FireFox. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 14:47 -0700
                                                  Re: Google poured billions of dollars into FireFox. Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-04-20 22:34 +0000
                                                    Re: Google poured billions of dollars into FireFox. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-04-21 07:40 -0400
                                                      Re: Google poured billions of dollars into FireFox. Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 05:50 -0700
                                                      Re: Google poured billions of dollars into FireFox. Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 07:41 -0700
                                                    Re: Google poured billions of dollars into FireFox. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 10:40 -0700
                                                  Re: Google poured billions of dollars into FireFox. "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-20 23:39 +0000
                                                    Re: Google poured billions of dollars into FireFox. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 10:30 -0700
                                                      Re: Google poured billions of dollars into FireFox. Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 12:22 -0700
                                                  60 search providers pre-installed across more than 90 languages. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-21 01:24 -0700
                                                    Re: 60 search providers pre-installed across more than 90 languages. Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 02:12 -0700
                                              Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-21 18:03 +0000
                                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-21 15:39 -0700
                                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-04-22 00:07 +0000
                                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:11 -0700
                                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-22 16:15 +0000
                                                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 09:31 -0700
                                                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-22 16:47 +0000
                                                            Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 10:00 -0700
                                                            Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 10:44 -0700
                                                              Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 11:21 -0700
                                                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 11:37 -0700
                                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 17:17 -0700
                                              Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-30 11:03 -0500
                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 12:41 -0700
                                        Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-20 12:52 -0700
                                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 13:24 -0700
                                            Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-20 23:28 +0000
                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-21 12:38 -0400
                                Apple can't invest, not like Samsung or Amazon; it's profit sans reason. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-20 07:51 -0700
                                  Re: Apple can't invest, not like Samsung or Amazon; it's profit sans reason. Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 08:28 -0700
                            Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-20 06:31 -0700
                              Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-20 08:41 -0500
                          Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-20 10:17 -0400
                            Re: Where's The Advocacy? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 21:08 +0000
                              Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-20 14:20 -0700
                              Re: Where's The Advocacy? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-04-21 07:43 -0400
                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-21 13:40 -0400
                                  Re: Where's The Advocacy? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-04-22 08:50 -0400
                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-22 10:10 -0400
                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-04-22 16:51 -0400
                                    Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-23 03:01 -0700
                                      Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 03:12 -0700
                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-21 17:53 +0000
                              Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-21 13:28 -0400
                                Re: Where's The Advocacy? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 00:20 +0000
          Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-18 10:38 -0400
            Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-18 16:03 +0000
              Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-18 22:19 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 21:48 -0700
            Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-19 07:33 -0500
              Hey COLA Tard,  ...  it is the Linux DE.  Or should it be:  UBUNTU/Linux DE? Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 05:42 -0700
              Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 05:54 -0700
              Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-19 11:43 -0400
          Re: Where's The Advocacy? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 20:34 +0000
            Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-20 19:13 -0700
              Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 02:59 -0700
        Re: Where's The Advocacy? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 10:35 -0700
          Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-18 11:17 -0700
            Re: Where's The Advocacy? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 12:07 -0700
              Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-18 13:34 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 18:59 -0700
            Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-18 14:17 -0500
        Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 12:16 -0700
      Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-23 13:28 -0700
    Russell is the freak! Please die and get it over with, Poco. Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 02:27 -0700
      Re: Russell is the freak! Please die and get it over with, Poco. Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 02:30 -0700
    Use Linux anyway you want to, Poco!  Moi certainly does. Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 05:24 -0700
    Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-23 13:27 -0700

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#448673

Fromowl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date2018-04-21 17:53 +0000
Message-ID<sz9b0803a.hou@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to#448641
Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
> 
>> On 2018-04-20, a.m <> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2018 06:58:37 -0500, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>-hh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> (snip snot)
>>>>
>>>>Have Micro$oft products never crapped-out, during a "presentation",
>>>>-highhorse?
>>>
>>> My wife's laptop booted into a movable cursor on a black screen last
>>> night. No amount of waiting would help the situation and the way
>>> Windows 10 set things up, you can't even go into safe mode without
>>> first booting Windows and then re-booting into it. I forced my way
>>> into restoration mode by turning the computer on and turning it off
>>> during the boot process several times but I can't imagine how many
>>> others were essentially left iwth a brick as a result of an update
>>> gone wrong (that was the cause). One re-install later and it seems to
>>> be OK but others on the net who faced the same issue were esentially
>>> told that the motherboard is fried and that they needed to replace
>>> it... good ol' Windows.
>>
>> Every freaking upgrade for my wife's two Windows 10 computers (laptop and 
>> desktop) seem to be an "adventure." I've mentioned the laptop before. Blue 
>> Screens of death after upgrades. Run System Mechanics and then disable the 
>> nVidia video chip and (knock on wood) it's not currently blue-screening.
>>
>> Now the desktop (which had been steady) decides to join into the act. After 
>> the last upgrade, my wife clicked on her Word, then Powerpoint and both came 
>> up with "Something's wrong, can't load this." So, I went to Google and 
>> worked my way through restoring Microsoft Office. What a heaping pile of 
>> hobbyware crap. EVERY upgrade you hold your breath and just "hope" with 
>> Windows 10. If people had any idea how solid and how little maintenance 
>> Linux requires, we wouldn't need a Linux Advocacy newsgroup.
>>
>> As they say, if Microsoft ever made a product that didn't suck, it would be 
>> a vacuum cleaner.
> 
> I bought my wife a small laptop with a 32Gb SSD.  All she has on it is
> Microsoft Office.  Now the sumbitch complains that "There isn't enough room
> for a Windows update."  Apparently the 8 Gb of empty space isn't enough for
> this bloatware (Windows 10, the "lean" Windows :-D).
> 

One of these fixes should work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm4QX-9-kD4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nItyNxuTxgo

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#448663

Froma.m <.m@nsn.s>
Date2018-04-21 13:28 -0400
Message-ID<tpsmddh2tkmldo0go68vc9ugsr0lo5u7ed@4ax.com>
In reply to#448600
On Fri, 20 Apr 2018 21:08:02 -0000 (UTC), RonB
<ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 2018-04-20, a.m <> wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2018 06:58:37 -0500, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>-hh wrote:
>>>
>>>> (snip snot)
>>>
>>>Have Micro$oft products never crapped-out, during a "presentation",
>>>-highhorse?
>>
>> My wife's laptop booted into a movable cursor on a black screen last
>> night. No amount of waiting would help the situation and the way
>> Windows 10 set things up, you can't even go into safe mode without
>> first booting Windows and then re-booting into it. I forced my way
>> into restoration mode by turning the computer on and turning it off
>> during the boot process several times but I can't imagine how many
>> others were essentially left iwth a brick as a result of an update
>> gone wrong (that was the cause). One re-install later and it seems to
>> be OK but others on the net who faced the same issue were esentially
>> told that the motherboard is fried and that they needed to replace
>> it... good ol' Windows.
>
>Every freaking upgrade for my wife's two Windows 10 computers (laptop and 
>desktop) seem to be an "adventure." I've mentioned the laptop before. Blue 
>Screens of death after upgrades. Run System Mechanics and then disable the 
>nVidia video chip and (knock on wood) it's not currently blue-screening.

I don't know System Mechanic itself as software but if it cleans the
registry, I'd recommend against it at this point. I've always cleaned
but have now realized that it ends up causing more issues than it
solves. However, if the NVIDIA chip being disabled seems to solve the
problem, I can't help but assume that the chip itself is defective;
their drivers are usually excellent. On the other hand, if it's a
laptop, chances are that she's not getting a driver directly from
NVIDIA but from the manufacturer instead and the driver itself is
likely terribly outdated. If that's the case, laptopvideo2go.com will
provide her with a newer driver which might remedy the issue. 

>Now the desktop (which had been steady) decides to join into the act. After 
>the last upgrade, my wife clicked on her Word, then Powerpoint and both came 
>up with "Something's wrong, can't load this." So, I went to Google and 
>worked my way through restoring Microsoft Office. What a heaping pile of 
>hobbyware crap. EVERY upgrade you hold your breath and just "hope" with 
>Windows 10. If people had any idea how solid and how little maintenance 
>Linux requires, we wouldn't need a Linux Advocacy newsgroup.
>
>As they say, if Microsoft ever made a product that didn't suck, it would be 
>a vacuum cleaner.

Heh. Funny enough, I recently had an issue which required me to reset
Windows. The operating system kept informing me that an important
update was waiting to be installed but it refused to actually install
it. I cleaned all of the usual suspects and still couldn't get it to
work. It's shite like that which reminds me that such problems are
probably all too common and that most Windows users are probably
tempted to just buy a new computer when they encounter them rather
than try to fix anything. I can't say that Linux is always better, but
I've yet to see Linux refuse to install an update without at least
providing a clear reason as to why it was being such a brat.

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#448812

FromRonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-23 00:20 +0000
Message-ID<pbj8ro$h0s$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#448663
On 2018-04-21, a.m <> wrote:

> I don't know System Mechanic itself as software but if it cleans the
> registry, I'd recommend against it at this point. I've always cleaned
> but have now realized that it ends up causing more issues than it
> solves. However, if the NVIDIA chip being disabled seems to solve the
> problem, I can't help but assume that the chip itself is defective;
> their drivers are usually excellent. On the other hand, if it's a
> laptop, chances are that she's not getting a driver directly from
> NVIDIA but from the manufacturer instead and the driver itself is
> likely terribly outdated. If that's the case, laptopvideo2go.com will
> provide her with a newer driver which might remedy the issue. 

Basically all I want to do is get my wife's laptop working and get away from 
Windows as quickly as possible. If System Mechanic helps me do that, I'll 
use it.

> Heh. Funny enough, I recently had an issue which required me to reset
> Windows. The operating system kept informing me that an important
> update was waiting to be installed but it refused to actually install
> it. I cleaned all of the usual suspects and still couldn't get it to
> work. It's shite like that which reminds me that such problems are
> probably all too common and that most Windows users are probably
> tempted to just buy a new computer when they encounter them rather
> than try to fix anything. I can't say that Linux is always better, but
> I've yet to see Linux refuse to install an update without at least
> providing a clear reason as to why it was being such a brat.

The only problem I've ever had with Linux updating is when the respository 
server is down for whatever reason. Once the server comes back up the 
problem is solved. Meanwhile my Linux computer continues working with the 
older version of the software. It doesn't hose up my applications like 
Windows does.

-- 
The more I see of Windows, the more I like Linux.

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#448442

Froma.m <.m@nsn.s>
Date2018-04-18 10:38 -0400
Message-ID<bvleddpuk5952f000qd2rcosde9em4feq3@4ax.com>
In reply to#448424
On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 07:00:49 -0500, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>-hh wrote:
>
>> Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>
>>> F. Russell wrote:
>>>>
>>>> C'mon, deadbeats, let's have some GNU/Linux advocacy.
>>> 
>>> The silence says it all ;)
>
>You mean that the people have won, and there is no more need for FOSS
>advocacy?  Yes, I agree.  After a long, dark age, where personal
>computing pretty-much  meant Micro$oft, we now have several strong
>competitors.

I think that most people don't realize that the people here don't care
if Linux isn't on every machine under the sun. It's all about raising
awareness and giving people options, especially if they've been
alienated by Apple and Microsoft's way of doing things.

>>> The only poster who did any real advocacy in the last decade left.
>
>STFU, "Steve".
>
>>I believe that the
>>marketplaces do speak some for themselves, although one does need
>>to use the metric of corporate profits, not merely units shipped, 
>>to recognize the dynamics and sustainability.  
>
>And here I was, thinking that what is important is software freedom,
>and consumers having choices and getting the best value for their
>money.

There's no doubt that Linux does a good job of making lots of software
available to the user from the very beginning and getting the most
life out of any hardware. 

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#448453

Fromowl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date2018-04-18 16:03 +0000
Message-ID<s9z0b893.ab0@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to#448442
a.m <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 07:00:49 -0500, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>>-hh wrote:
>>
>>> Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>
>>>> F. Russell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> C'mon, deadbeats, let's have some GNU/Linux advocacy.
>>>> 
>>>> The silence says it all ;)
>>
>>You mean that the people have won, and there is no more need for FOSS
>>advocacy?  Yes, I agree.  After a long, dark age, where personal
>>computing pretty-much  meant Micro$oft, we now have several strong
>>competitors.
> 
> I think that most people don't realize that the people here don't care
> if Linux isn't on every machine under the sun.

That's true.  I couldn't care less about converting somebody to
Linux.  The kind of advocacy I come here for is advocacy directed
at Linux users in support of tools we might not be aware of or
experienced with.

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#448490

From"F. Russell" <fr@random.info>
Date2018-04-18 22:19 +0000
Message-ID<pb8g9o07hd@news7.newsguy.com>
In reply to#448453
On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 16:03:50 +0000, owl wrote:

> 
> The kind of advocacy I come here for is advocacy directed
> at Linux users in support of tools we might not be aware of or
> experienced with.
>

Just for starters, check out the work of Johannes Hofmann:

http://flpsed.org/pnmcurve.html

The pnm suite of utilities needs this kind of supplement.

It fits in naturally to the Unix philosophy.

Also, there is flimp:

http://flpsed.org/flimp.html

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#448498

FromSteven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-18 21:48 -0700
Message-ID<9c494f15-d90f-468c-9219-3d2b7e5dffa6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#448490
On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 3:31:31 PM UTC-7, F. Russell wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 16:03:50 +0000, owl wrote:
> 
> > 
> > The kind of advocacy I come here for is advocacy directed
> > at Linux users in support of tools we might not be aware of or
> > experienced with.
> >
> 
> Just for starters, check out the work of Johannes Hofmann:
> 
> http://flpsed.org/pnmcurve.html
> 
> The pnm suite of utilities needs this kind of supplement.
> 
> It fits in naturally to the Unix philosophy.
> 
> Also, there is flimp:
> 
> http://flpsed.org/flimp.html



He'd have to be afflicted with mental illness to be unsure of whether or not he "never had" designed SC with Rhonda January Bass. Sound like anyone in here? When a guy can't keep his lies straight and applies bogus, ego protecting hooey later, it's very apparent what his ploy is. 

What I do is certainly more productive. I shan't ask Paul F. Riddle how any part of Rhonda January Bass's rear tastes no matter how frequently Paul F. Riddle licks it. 

No-one gets it, I don't get it. 

The bulk of the people in this group do programming either as entertainment or as a profession, so I have doubts anyone here consider writing macros to be "voodoo". 

-- 
I Left My Husband & Daughter At Home And THIS happened
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.os.linux/BVpdH5KOc6s
http://www.5z8.info/boobs_j0v3qo_dont-just-drizzle
http://alt.conspiracy.narkive.com/QcWYJ4Px/the-mentally-ill-mark-s-bilk
Jonas Eklundh Communication

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#448518

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-04-19 07:33 -0500
Message-ID<tk2hdddgjdl2siird2pamhm4c8vce2gof1@4ax.com>
In reply to#448442
a.m wrote:

>I think that most people don't realize that the people here don't care
>if Linux isn't on every machine under the sun. 

Nor would we want it to.  It's good to have choices.

>It's all about raising
>awareness and giving people options, especially if they've been
>alienated by Apple and Microsoft's way of doing things.

For a market as large and diverse as "desktop PC users", two choices
are not *near* enough.

For some people, the "big two" offerings are *far* from optimal.

It's not always easy to leaves the herd(s), but GNU/Linux is a viable
choice, for those who are motivated and informed (and don't-much need
the commercial apps).

-- 
"Linux is what sloppy cheapskates who cut corners prefer to use,
rather than a quality product."  -  lying asshole "-hh"

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#448519 — Hey COLA Tard, ... it is the Linux DE. Or should it be: UBUNTU/Linux DE?

FromSimon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-19 05:42 -0700
SubjectHey COLA Tard, ... it is the Linux DE. Or should it be: UBUNTU/Linux DE?
Message-ID<eb77680b-7cb5-49ab-931d-b61728747c3c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#448518
On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 8:33:30 AM UTC-4, chrisv wrote:
> 
> It's not always easy to leaves the herd(s), but GNU/Linux is a viable
> choice, for those who are motivated and informed (and don't-much need
> the commercial apps).



Hey COLA Tard, it is the Linux DE.  Or should it be: UBUNTU/Linux DE?

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#448520

FromSteven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-19 05:54 -0700
Message-ID<269060e3-a0e8-4375-a3f1-36db11daf270@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#448518
On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 5:33:30 AM UTC-7, chrisv wrote:
> a.m wrote:
> 
> >I think that most people don't realize that the people here don't care
> >if Linux isn't on every machine under the sun. 
> 
> Nor would we want it to.  It's good to have choices.
> 
> >It's all about raising
> >awareness and giving people options, especially if they've been
> >alienated by Apple and Microsoft's way of doing things.
> 
> For a market as large and diverse as "desktop PC users", two choices
> are not *near* enough.
> 
> For some people, the "big two" offerings are *far* from optimal.
> 
> It's not always easy to leaves the herd(s), but GNU/Linux is a viable
> choice, for those who are motivated and informed (and don't-much need
> the commercial apps).
> 
> -- 
> "Linux is what sloppy cheapskates who cut corners prefer to use,
> rather than a quality product."  -  lying asshole "-hh"



The herd's reverse compiled LibreOffice with a takeoff of automated reinforcement learning to automate posts which are in the form of ones from my posts. And you do, of course realize that it isn't impossible for Jesus Christ to be doing this, or encouraging those who are. 

Android runs on the LibreOffice kernel. So yeah, LibreOffice is mobile. LibreOffice is a super computer. LibreOffice is a server. LibreOffice is a desktop. LibreOffice is growing in market share. 

How Jesus Christ decides when to use the flood script: http://usenet.sandman.net/misc/snit_flood. 

Technologies change. I think the idea of a newspaper is getting to be old fashion. 

What did Pascal Hambourg hope for from the lying imbecile? That Jesus Christ bozo has nothing to squander but time. He has nothing else, especially not a girlfriend. A meaningless discourse by pseudo-experts, magnified by the reciprocal of an infinite twin prime, demonstrating the vast nothingness of the main character's so-called thought process. Jesus Christ insists that he uses ChromeOS, while he never timed it on anything but an emulator and really pushed  it. 

- 
This Trick Gets Women Hot For You
https://youtu.be/UkAyrfOZaXc
http://tinyurl.com/proof-about-ebot
http://www.5z8.info/open.exe_f2s2ea_nazi
Jonas Eklundh Communication AB

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#448526

Froma.m <.m@nsn.s>
Date2018-04-19 11:43 -0400
Message-ID<h3ehddhuunkqra93stc8di8pspjtfhsbfp@4ax.com>
In reply to#448518
On Thu, 19 Apr 2018 07:33:28 -0500, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>a.m wrote:
>
>>I think that most people don't realize that the people here don't care
>>if Linux isn't on every machine under the sun. 
>
>Nor would we want it to.  It's good to have choices.

Its "lack of popularity" is probably a good thing since it allows the
developers to do whatever's best rather than whatever the user thinks
that he wants. I'm one of those people who believes that the public
should adopt to the software and not the other way around, mostly
because the public can't figure anything out... not even their own
gender.

>>It's all about raising
>>awareness and giving people options, especially if they've been
>>alienated by Apple and Microsoft's way of doing things.
>
>For a market as large and diverse as "desktop PC users", two choices
>are not *near* enough.
>
>For some people, the "big two" offerings are *far* from optimal.
>
>It's not always easy to leaves the herd(s), but GNU/Linux is a viable
>choice, for those who are motivated and informed (and don't-much need
>the commercial apps).

The fact that Linux offers proper encryption out of the box and
doesn't demand extra money for the feature is a selling point on its
own. It also enhances the life of a machine and its attached hardware
in addition to providing stellar security. In the end, the fact that
it's free is almost miraculous since there is no reason to believe
that it wouldn't be insanely profitable if its developers decided to
charge for it.

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#448596

FromRonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-20 20:34 +0000
Message-ID<pbdism$a8v$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#448424
On 2018-04-18, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> You mean that the people have won, and there is no more need for FOSS
> advocacy?  Yes, I agree.  After a long, dark age, where personal
> computing pretty-much  meant Micro$oft, we now have several strong
> competitors.

Newsgroups, in general, are pretty much a "specialized" (passe) venue now. 
Linux advocacy has found other – more fruitful – outlets. Newsgroups are 
still favored by trolls, however – so it's natural that the noise to signal 
ratio will increase here as the ratio of worthless trolls to sincere 
posters increases. Pretty soon the trolls will just be trolling each other, 
and each other's nyms. Droning zombies roaming the cellars of a rotting 
city. 

-- 
The more I see of Windows, the more I like Linux.

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#448620

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-04-20 19:13 -0700
Message-ID<fjvl2gF4ku5U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#448596
On 4/20/18, 1:34 PM, RonB wrote:
> On 2018-04-18, chrisv<chrisv@nospam.invalid>  wrote:
>>
>> You mean that the people have won, and there is no more need for FOSS
>> advocacy?  Yes, I agree.  After a long, dark age, where personal
>> computing pretty-much  meant Micro$oft, we now have several strong
>> competitors.
>
> Newsgroups, in general, are pretty much a "specialized" (passe) venue now.
> Linux advocacy has found other – more fruitful – outlets. Newsgroups are
> still favored by trolls, however – so it's natural that the noise to signal
> ratio will increase here as the ratio of worthless trolls to sincere
> posters increases. Pretty soon the trolls will just be trolling each other,
> and each other's nyms. Droning zombies roaming the cellars of a rotting
> city.
>
Those of you who troll are not limited to Usenet. Not by a LARGE stretch.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#448632

FromSteven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-21 02:59 -0700
Message-ID<12674bc5-3c09-481d-93a9-8d6e286c641c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#448620
On Friday, April 20, 2018 at 7:13:38 PM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> On 4/20/18, 1:34 PM, RonB wrote:
> > On 2018-04-18, chrisv<chrisv@nospam.invalid>  wrote:
> >>
> >> You mean that the people have won, and there is no more need for FOSS
> >> advocacy?  Yes, I agree.  After a long, dark age, where personal
> >> computing pretty-much  meant Micro$oft, we now have several strong
> >> competitors.
> >
> > Newsgroups, in general, are pretty much a "specialized" (passe) venue now.
> > Linux advocacy has found other – more fruitful – outlets. Newsgroups are
> > still favored by trolls, however – so it's natural that the noise to signal
> > ratio will increase here as the ratio of worthless trolls to sincere
> > posters increases. Pretty soon the trolls will just be trolling each other,
> > and each other's nyms. Droning zombies roaming the cellars of a rotting
> > city.
> >
> Those of you who troll are not limited to Usenet. Not by a LARGE stretch.
> 
> -- 
> Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
> cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
> somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
> 
> They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
> 
> <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>



ChromeOS is based on Linux. Of course. Some time ago I did work on and showed some Ruby for the front end which is the only thing you can do when trying to avoid Melzzzzz's narcissistic crap while reading with Google Groups. Melzzzzz is regularly seen insisting "THERE IS NO" when it comes to text on Rhonda January Bass's post where info is easy to find... but Melzzzzz is just too halfwitted and/or lost to interpret any info he reads... or he does not recognize it *as* info even when he does find it. You never take blame for your own comments. Words that are easily quoted. 

Unfortunately there are too many "works for me" false "advocates" and not enough old school users with a clue enough to help the people with old computers. So, yeah, I buy into my own fiction, fully knowing Melzzzzz has been fooled, because it makes me reconsider my program, improving it. 

--
Puppy Videos!
https://youtu.be/OffkiSAsYo8
Jonas Eklundh Communication

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#448466

Fromfr314159@gmail.com
Date2018-04-18 10:35 -0700
Message-ID<42a963a1-0100-4ce9-8ce2-cb320ba70f12@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#448390
On Tuesday, April 17, 2018 at 4:13:02 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:

> 
>  "the market has spoken", ... the
> marketplaces do speak some for themselves, although one does need
> to use the metric of corporate profits,
>

Is there any better proof of the adage "if all one has is a hammer
then everything looks like a nail?"

My advise is to take your hammer and hit yourself in the head
with it -- repeatedly.

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#448471

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2018-04-18 11:17 -0700
Message-ID<81980c7c-fa42-42ef-91d3-17fd24b2c20b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#448466
On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 1:35:28 PM UTC-4, fr31...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 17, 2018 at 4:13:02 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> 
> > 
> >  "the market has spoken", ... the
> > marketplaces do speak some for themselves, although one does need
> > to use the metric of corporate profits,
> >
> 
> Is there any better proof of the adage "if all one has is a hammer
> then everything looks like a nail?"

The adage has its place to illustrate the limitations of 
paradigms ... but in the world of the free & open market
of capital markets, the bottom line is the almighty buck
and how well one's leveraging it (% Return on Investment).


> My advise is to take your hammer and hit yourself in the 
> head with it -- repeatedly.

To turn the phrase:

"since all you have is a losing hand, the only thing
you have left is an Ad Hominem insult".




-hh

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#448482

Fromfr314159@gmail.com
Date2018-04-18 12:07 -0700
Message-ID<e5707f03-420b-4588-85a5-24e94014d6e1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#448471
On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 2:17:38 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:

> 
>  ... but in the world of the free & open market
> of capital markets, the bottom line is the almighty buck
> and how well one's leveraging it (% Return on Investment).
> 

The world is a lot bigger than your limited perception.

The military, to cite just one example, is not ruled by the
"almighty buck."  The military is ruled by specifications and
standards and cost is only a secondary concern.  (That's why
military surplus items, if any can be found, are of much better
quality that ordinary consumer goods.)

Similarly, GNU/Linux and open source software are ruled by
specifications and standards.  In fact, FOSS is so immune from
concerns of "return on Investment" that its quality is ALWAYS
superior to the commercial junk that is pushed out the door.

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#448487

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2018-04-18 13:34 -0700
Message-ID<c4768a85-d0a2-4460-9f85-217433ae8a98@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#448482
On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 3:07:48 PM UTC-4, fr31...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 2:17:38 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > 
> >  ... but in the world of the free & open market
> > of capital markets, the bottom line is the almighty buck
> > and how well one's leveraging it (% Return on Investment).
> > 
> 
> The world is a lot bigger than your limited perception.

But of course it is!  
However, that doesn't mean that your worldview is superior. 
 
> The military, to cite just one example, is not ruled by the
> "almighty buck."  The military is ruled by specifications and
> standards and cost is only a secondary concern.  (That's why
> military surplus items, if any can be found, are of much better
> quality that ordinary consumer goods.)

Oh, so you're trying to claim that cost isn't in the military's
dictionary?  

<https://www.dau.mil/glossary/pages/1673.aspx>

Oops!

And to hammer this home, here's some more reading for you on 
this subject:

<http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a487933.pdf>

 
> Similarly, GNU/Linux and open source software are ruled by
> specifications and standards.  In fact, FOSS is so immune from
> concerns of "return on Investment" that its quality is ALWAYS
> superior to the commercial junk that is pushed out the door.

Out of a non-CMMI certified facility?  Maybe by blind luck, but
certainly not by planning & management controls.  Especially if
you're to achieve equivalence to CMMI-DEV Maturity Level 5.  

In any event, it is false to claim that FOSS is immune to ROI
considerations, because even if there's no expression of value
as money, that doesn't mean that there's no expression of value. 
Even a volunteer needs to eat, so he doesn't have unlimited free
time to contribute to a FOSS project.  

-hh

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#448496

FromSteven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-18 18:59 -0700
Message-ID<5ed84f22-2793-4f42-a4d8-ccb01d77f147@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#448487
On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 1:34:37 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 3:07:48 PM UTC-4, fr31...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 2:17:38 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > 
> > >  ... but in the world of the free & open market
> > > of capital markets, the bottom line is the almighty buck
> > > and how well one's leveraging it (% Return on Investment).
> > > 
> > 
> > The world is a lot bigger than your limited perception.
> 
> But of course it is!  
> However, that doesn't mean that your worldview is superior. 
>  
> > The military, to cite just one example, is not ruled by the
> > "almighty buck."  The military is ruled by specifications and
> > standards and cost is only a secondary concern.  (That's why
> > military surplus items, if any can be found, are of much better
> > quality that ordinary consumer goods.)
> 
> Oh, so you're trying to claim that cost isn't in the military's
> dictionary?  
> 
> <https://www.dau.mil/glossary/pages/1673.aspx>
> 
> Oops!
> 
> And to hammer this home, here's some more reading for you on 
> this subject:
> 
> <http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a487933.pdf>
> 
>  
> > Similarly, GNU/Linux and open source software are ruled by
> > specifications and standards.  In fact, FOSS is so immune from
> > concerns of "return on Investment" that its quality is ALWAYS
> > superior to the commercial junk that is pushed out the door.
> 
> Out of a non-CMMI certified facility?  Maybe by blind luck, but
> certainly not by planning & management controls.  Especially if
> you're to achieve equivalence to CMMI-DEV Maturity Level 5.  
> 
> In any event, it is false to claim that FOSS is immune to ROI
> considerations, because even if there's no expression of value
> as money, that doesn't mean that there's no expression of value. 
> Even a volunteer needs to eat, so he doesn't have unlimited free
> time to contribute to a FOSS project.  
> 
> -hh



David Brown was once again a sophist by pretending to not argue with Daniel Lewis via emphatically trumpeting 'score: -999' and then bombarding him by means of piggybacking. No no. He never agreed to stop trolling. He lied about his trolling and that was that. 

This is something beyond you. 

Open source is only free if your time has no value. You insisting a lie is real does not make it true. David Brown gets off on that Daniel Lewis is on the other end. Imagine if David Brown walked up to a wall and delivered the punch line. It wouldn't be rewarding. The Mack has blown the competition away. Which just pisses David Brown off. Where did you find your scripts? 

--
One Smart Penny
http://www.5z8.info/hack-outlook_c6c9in_michaelangelo-virus
Jonas Eklundh Communication

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#448484

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-04-18 14:17 -0500
Message-ID<h36fddphlmr4opp32d8hjh52n3rbt3v0q0@4ax.com>
In reply to#448471
-hh wrote:

>in the world of the free & open market
>of capital markets, the bottom line is the almighty buck
>and how well one's leveraging it (% Return on Investment).

Indeed, which is why Linux and other FOSS is so widely used and
leveraged, in business.

It is, quite often, the best tool for the job!

-- 
"How hard it is to find GOOD programmers who specialise in anything
other than Windows APIs?"  -  "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quack

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