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  More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 16:03 -0800
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 17:36 -0800
      Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 19:25 -0800
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-03 19:24 -0700
      Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 19:23 -0800
      Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-04 17:09 -0700
        Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-05 13:02 -0700
          Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-06 16:32 -0700
            Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-06 19:53 -0700
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 02:33 +0000
      Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 03:10 +0000
        Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-04 06:49 -0800
          These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 07:08 -0800
            Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 07:34 -0800
              I always knew that Steve Carroll was tard.  Thanks for proving it, once again. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 13:12 -0800
            Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-04 14:52 -0800
              Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 16:15 -0800
                Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 17:26 -0800
                  Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-05 09:32 -0500
            the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 02:21 -0800
              Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-05 11:39 +0100
                Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-05 07:18 -0800
                  Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 07:47 -0800
                    Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-05 17:49 +0100
                      Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 08:57 -0800
                      Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 22:23 +0000
                Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 22:16 +0000
                  Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-05 14:53 -0800
          Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 17:55 +0000
            Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 18:23 +0000
              Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 19:00 +0000
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 19:28 +0000
                  Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 20:19 +0000
                    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 20:34 +0000
                      Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 20:53 +0000
                        Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 22:08 +0000
                  Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 13:13 -0800
                    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-04 16:18 -0500
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 12:06 -0800
            Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-04 14:30 -0800
              Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 22:47 +0000
            Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-04 17:12 -0700
              Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-04 20:38 -0500
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-04 21:26 -0500
      Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 21:25 -0800
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-04 14:21 -0600

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#330766 — More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home

More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/3/more-350-languages-spoken-us/

"More than 350 languages are spoken at home in the U.S., the Census Bureau reported Tuesday, and residents in the country's biggest cities are drifting away from speaking English at home.

A staggering 54 percent of residents in the Los Angeles metropolitan region speak a language other than English at home, as does 38 percent of the New York City area, 37 percent of Houston, 51 percent of Miami, 40 percent of San Francisco, and 36 percent of Washington, D.C."
======

How about sending all of these people home and out of the United States for good?

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#330774

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 9:03:09 AM UTC+9, John Gohde wrote:
> More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home
> 
> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/3/more-350-languages-spoken-us/
> 
> "More than 350 languages are spoken at home in the U.S., the Census Bureau reported Tuesday, and residents in the country's biggest cities are drifting away from speaking English at home.
> 
> A staggering 54 percent of residents in the Los Angeles metropolitan region speak a language other than English at home, as does 38 percent of the New York City area, 37 percent of Houston, 51 percent of Miami, 40 percent of San Francisco, and 36 percent of Washington, D.C."
> ======
> 
> How about sending all of these people home and out of the United States for good?

How 'bout sending yo Moi back to his homeland in Germany?  The Muzzies there will take good care of him ....

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#330787

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 8:36:14 PM UTC-5, Takuya Saitoh wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 9:03:09 AM UTC+9, John Gohde wrote:
> > More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home
> > 
> > http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/3/more-350-languages-spoken-us/
> > 
> > "More than 350 languages are spoken at home in the U.S., the Census Bureau reported Tuesday, and residents in the country's biggest cities are drifting away from speaking English at home.
> > 
> > A staggering 54 percent of residents in the Los Angeles metropolitan region speak a language other than English at home, as does 38 percent of the New York City area, 37 percent of Houston, 51 percent of Miami, 40 percent of San Francisco, and 36 percent of Washington, D.C."
> > ======
> > 
> > How about sending all of these people home and out of the United States for good?
> 
> How 'bout sending yo Moi back to his homeland in Germany?  The Muzzies there will take good care of him ....


Go drink some more of your Fuku water, why don't you. It contains a lot of minerals -LOL.

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#330781

On 11/03/15 18:34, Snit wrote:
> On 11/3/15, 5:03 PM, in article
> 23f053c6-2a5e-489f-b358-b43731b67078@googlegroups.com, "John Gohde"
> <john.h.gohde@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns
>> English at home
>>
>> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/3/more-350-languages-spoken-us/
>>
>> "More than 350 languages are spoken at home in the U.S., the Census Bureau
>> reported Tuesday, and residents in the country's biggest cities are drifting
>> away from speaking English at home.
>>
>> A staggering 54 percent of residents in the Los Angeles metropolitan region
>> speak a language other than English at home, as does 38 percent of the New
>> York City area, 37 percent of Houston, 51 percent of Miami, 40 percent of San
>> Francisco, and 36 percent of Washington, D.C."
>> ======
>>
>> How about sending all of these people home and out of the United States for
>> good?
>
> Sounds good. Let's start with the Europeans! Give the land back to the
> natives and get rid of all the illegal aliens!
>
>
Yeah!  I would love a lot more elbow room here.  Too many people.


-- 
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

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#330786

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 9:24:50 PM UTC-5, GreyCloud wrote:
> On 11/03/15 18:34, Snit wrote:
> > On 11/3/15, 5:03 PM, in article
> > 23f053c6-2a5e-489f-b358-b43731b67078@googlegroups.com, "John Gohde"
> > <john.h.gohde@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >
> >> More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns
> >> English at home
> >>
> >> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/3/more-350-languages-spoken-us/
> >>
> >> "More than 350 languages are spoken at home in the U.S., the Census Bureau
> >> reported Tuesday, and residents in the country's biggest cities are drifting
> >> away from speaking English at home.
> >>
> >> A staggering 54 percent of residents in the Los Angeles metropolitan region
> >> speak a language other than English at home, as does 38 percent of the New
> >> York City area, 37 percent of Houston, 51 percent of Miami, 40 percent of San
> >> Francisco, and 36 percent of Washington, D.C."
> >> ======
> >>
> >> How about sending all of these people home and out of the United States for
> >> good?
> >
> > Sounds good. Let's start with the Europeans! Give the land back to the
> > natives and get rid of all the illegal aliens!
> >
> >
> Yeah!  I would love a lot more elbow room here.  Too many people.


There is no such thing as a Stone Age Internet, Putz!

Spain must have goofed on your people some 400 years ago. Oh, that is right.  They did not know how to work gold.

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#330967

On 11/03/15 19:28, Snit wrote:
> On 11/3/15, 7:24 PM, in article
> fYCdnQCy3ery8aTLnZ2dnUU7-ROdnZ2d@bresnan.com, "GreyCloud"<cumulus@mist.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/03/15 18:34, Snit wrote:
>>> On 11/3/15, 5:03 PM, in article
>>> 23f053c6-2a5e-489f-b358-b43731b67078@googlegroups.com, "John Gohde"
>>> <john.h.gohde@gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>
>>>> More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns
>>>> English at home
>>>>
>>>> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/3/more-350-languages-spoken-us/
>>>>
>>>> "More than 350 languages are spoken at home in the U.S., the Census Bureau
>>>> reported Tuesday, and residents in the country's biggest cities are drifting
>>>> away from speaking English at home.
>>>>
>>>> A staggering 54 percent of residents in the Los Angeles metropolitan region
>>>> speak a language other than English at home, as does 38 percent of the New
>>>> York City area, 37 percent of Houston, 51 percent of Miami, 40 percent of
>>>> San
>>>> Francisco, and 36 percent of Washington, D.C."
>>>> ======
>>>>
>>>> How about sending all of these people home and out of the United States for
>>>> good?
>>>
>>> Sounds good. Let's start with the Europeans! Give the land back to the
>>> natives and get rid of all the illegal aliens!
>>>
>>>
>> Yeah!  I would love a lot more elbow room here.  Too many people.
>>
> :)
>
> It really is the natural conclusion to the idea that America should be for
> Americans. YOU are one. *I* am not. Sure, I speak English and was born in
> the US, as were my parents, but I am of European ancestry.
>
>
Meh... it doesn't bother me anyway.  I've pretty much borged into the 
usual american society anyways.  Gotta eat too.


-- 
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

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#331114

On 11/04/15 18:29, Snit wrote:
> On 11/4/15, 5:09 PM, in article
> EuqdnbwUtbG7A6fLnZ2dnUU7-KGdnZ2d@bresnan.com, "GreyCloud"<cumulus@mist.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>>> Sounds good. Let's start with the Europeans! Give the land back to the
>>>>> natives and get rid of all the illegal aliens!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah!  I would love a lot more elbow room here.  Too many people.
>>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> It really is the natural conclusion to the idea that America should be for
>>> Americans. YOU are one. *I* am not. Sure, I speak English and was born in
>>> the US, as were my parents, but I am of European ancestry.
>>>
>>>
>> Meh... it doesn't bother me anyway.  I've pretty much borged into the
>> usual american society anyways.  Gotta eat too.
>
> The Native Americans were treated horribly. There is no excuse for it. But
> the damage is done and you cannot go back hundreds of years and undo it. So
> all we can do is move forward the best we can. But we, as America, should
> recognize the debt we have to Native Americans - a debt that cannot ever
> really be repaid.
>
>
At least they've allowed us to build gambling casinos.  We'll get our 
money back in time.


-- 
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

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#331392

On 11/05/15 14:49, Snit wrote:
> On 11/5/15, 1:02 PM, in article
> n5ednUz6Gqp6KKbLnZ2dnUU7-VGdnZ2d@bresnan.com, "GreyCloud"<cumulus@mist.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>>> It really is the natural conclusion to the idea that America should be for
>>>>> Americans. YOU are one. *I* am not. Sure, I speak English and was born in
>>>>> the US, as were my parents, but I am of European ancestry.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Meh... it doesn't bother me anyway.  I've pretty much borged into the
>>>> usual american society anyways.  Gotta eat too.
>>>
>>> The Native Americans were treated horribly. There is no excuse for it. But
>>> the damage is done and you cannot go back hundreds of years and undo it. So
>>> all we can do is move forward the best we can. But we, as America, should
>>> recognize the debt we have to Native Americans - a debt that cannot ever
>>> really be repaid.
>>>
>>>
>> At least they've allowed us to build gambling casinos.  We'll get our
>> money back in time.
>
> But money will not solve all the societal issues, just as it will not with
> the black "community" in America. There is a lot of harm that has been done
> which cannot easily be undone.
>
>
Most of the harm has been pretty much forgotten.  The casinos will last 
till the money goes away.  It allows us to build better schools and 
homes for our own.  But still dependent on the banks, unfortunately.


-- 
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

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#331445

On 11/06/15 16:59, Snit wrote:
> On 11/6/15, 4:32 PM, in article
> eJydnalR9MospaDLnZ2dnUU7-aednZ2d@bresnan.com, "GreyCloud"<cumulus@mist.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>>> The Native Americans were treated horribly. There is no excuse for it. But
>>>>> the damage is done and you cannot go back hundreds of years and undo it. So
>>>>> all we can do is move forward the best we can. But we, as America, should
>>>>> recognize the debt we have to Native Americans - a debt that cannot ever
>>>>> really be repaid.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> At least they've allowed us to build gambling casinos.  We'll get our
>>>> money back in time.
>>>
>>> But money will not solve all the societal issues, just as it will not with
>>> the black "community" in America. There is a lot of harm that has been done
>>> which cannot easily be undone.
>>>
>> Most of the harm has been pretty much forgotten.  The casinos will last
>> till the money goes away.  It allows us to build better schools and
>> homes for our own.  But still dependent on the banks, unfortunately.
>
> There is also still high levels of alcoholism and other challenges in the
> many native communities... I see these as likely being an impact from the
> past. But, as I said, we cannot undo the past, just move forward the best we
> can.
>
>
Indians don't tolerate alcohol very well.  Makes em really freaky.


-- 
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

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#330783

Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 11/3/15, 5:03 PM, in article
> 23f053c6-2a5e-489f-b358-b43731b67078@googlegroups.com, "John Gohde"
> <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns
>> English at home
>> 
>> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/3/more-350-languages-spoken-us/
>> 
>> "More than 350 languages are spoken at home in the U.S., the Census Bureau
>> reported Tuesday, and residents in the country's biggest cities are drifting
>> away from speaking English at home.
>> 
>> A staggering 54 percent of residents in the Los Angeles metropolitan region
>> speak a language other than English at home, as does 38 percent of the New
>> York City area, 37 percent of Houston, 51 percent of Miami, 40 percent of San
>> Francisco, and 36 percent of Washington, D.C."
>> ======
>> 
>> How about sending all of these people home and out of the United States for
>> good?
> 
> Sounds good. Let's start with the Europeans! Give the land back to the
> natives and get rid of all the illegal aliens!
> 

What "natives"?
 

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#330785

Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 11/3/15, 7:33 PM, in article srhfu03.afa@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/3/15, 5:03 PM, in article
>>> 23f053c6-2a5e-489f-b358-b43731b67078@googlegroups.com, "John Gohde"
>>> <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns
>>>> English at home
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/3/more-350-languages-spoken-us/
>>>> 
>>>> "More than 350 languages are spoken at home in the U.S., the Census Bureau
>>>> reported Tuesday, and residents in the country's biggest cities are drifting
>>>> away from speaking English at home.
>>>> 
>>>> A staggering 54 percent of residents in the Los Angeles metropolitan region
>>>> speak a language other than English at home, as does 38 percent of the New
>>>> York City area, 37 percent of Houston, 51 percent of Miami, 40 percent of
>>>> San
>>>> Francisco, and 36 percent of Washington, D.C."
>>>> ======
>>>> 
>>>> How about sending all of these people home and out of the United States for
>>>> good?
>>> 
>>> Sounds good. Let's start with the Europeans! Give the land back to the
>>> natives and get rid of all the illegal aliens!
>> 
>> What "natives"?
> 
> And and all. How you decided for people who are only partially native I do
> not know... but, hey, it is not my argument to send non-Americans "back" or
> to push people to speak the American languages (the languages of the Native
> Americans). 
> 

There are no "Native Americans."
 

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#330825

owl wrote:
> > "owl" <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> >> Snit wrote:
> >>>  "John Gohde" <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> How about sending all of these people home and out of
> >>>> the United States for good?
> >>> 
> >>> Sounds good. Let's start with the Europeans! Give the land
> >>> back to the natives and get rid of all the illegal aliens!
> >> 
> >> What "natives"?
> 
> There are no "Native Americans."

The conventional definition is that the indigenous population
when the Continent was discovered by the Europeans.

However, the more recent pushback against this is that these
peoples themselves had migrated across the Bering Sea, so they 
supposedly don't "count".  

However, the flaw in this logic, stems from how all Europeans
also were migrants from Africa, so extending this to its rational
conclusion would mean that everyone in the world would have to
back to the Rift Valley, leaving 98% of the world unpopulated
by humans.

In any case, an alternate interpretation of 'native' and one
which has greater validity is that whoever was already present
during the US Revolutionary War are whose descendants today
have the sole right to the land ... and the litmus test here
is actually quite straightforward:  one requires a descendant
who has been confirmed as valid by the DAR (Daughters of the
American Revolution).  

So unless you can prove your family has been in the USA for at
least seven (7) generations ... stop being a hypocrite & leave.


-hh

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#330837 — These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 9:49:56 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
> owl wrote:
> > > "owl" <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> > >> Snit wrote:
> > >>>  "John Gohde" <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> 
> > >>>> How about sending all of these people home and out of
> > >>>> the United States for good?
> > >>> 
> > >>> Sounds good. Let's start with the Europeans! Give the land
> > >>> back to the natives and get rid of all the illegal aliens!
> > >> 
> > >> What "natives"?
> > 
> > There are no "Native Americans."
> 
> The conventional definition is that the indigenous population
> when the Continent was discovered by the Europeans.


What a load of bull!

All of the Native American population that had migrated to the New World by walking over the Arctic or from Russia during winter when the ice was frozen over were were still living in the Stone Age.  They did not even figure out the wheel, for crying out loud.

There is absolutely nothing remotely superior about these peoples. They were ALL vicious savages who were happily killing each other off with glee and even practicing human sacrifices to their gods, as well as cannibalism.

Yeah, if it wont for these Europeans, GrayCloud and ALL these savages, would still be living in the Stone Age.

If you want to whine on about the downfall of these people, THEN you should be dumping upon Spain who some 400 years ago pretty much committed genocide upon them for their gold.

Still, according to a rather recent PBS the Spaniards actually had some justification for butchering all the natives. Seems that at the end of 1500s the nice native Americans had cannibalized a Spanish settlement.  They kept them locked up in huts, ate them one at a time, over a long period of time.

Of course, PBS only reported on the cannibalism.  It was Moi who connected the dots.

While one could argue as to which group was the first to be hostile, I would NOT be surprised at all if these nice native Americans started the blood bath, first.

Je suis Moi, posted from Mint.
Created his 1st pet Linux distribution, so that it looked and behaved *exactly* the way that he wanted it to, in October 2014, but was wise enough to move on. Sadly, you cannot believe what ANY Linux person is claiming at face value most of the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bVDQ4rVrM4

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#330842 — Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 8:08:44 AM UTC-7, John Gohde wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 9:49:56 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
> > owl wrote:
> > > > "owl" <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> > > >> Snit wrote:
> > > >>>  "John Gohde" <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> 
> > > >>>> How about sending all of these people home and out of
> > > >>>> the United States for good?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Sounds good. Let's start with the Europeans! Give the land
> > > >>> back to the natives and get rid of all the illegal aliens!
> > > >> 
> > > >> What "natives"?
> > > 
> > > There are no "Native Americans."
> > 
> > The conventional definition is that the indigenous population
> > when the Continent was discovered by the Europeans.
> 
> 
> What a load of bull!
> 
> All of the Native American population that had migrated to the New World by walking over the Arctic or from Russia during winter when the ice was frozen over were were still living in the Stone Age.

"All" of them walked over? They never had any offspring? ;)

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#330912 — I always knew that Steve Carroll was tard. Thanks for proving it, once again.

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 10:34:45 AM UTC-5, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 8:08:44 AM UTC-7, John Gohde wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 9:49:56 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
> > > owl wrote:
> > > > > "owl" <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> > > > >> Snit wrote:
> > > > >>>  "John Gohde" <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>>> How about sending all of these people home and out of
> > > > >>>> the United States for good?
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>> Sounds good. Let's start with the Europeans! Give the land
> > > > >>> back to the natives and get rid of all the illegal aliens!
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> What "natives"?
> > > > 
> > > > There are no "Native Americans."
> > > 
> > > The conventional definition is that the indigenous population
> > > when the Continent was discovered by the Europeans.
> > 
> > 
> > What a load of bull!
> > 
> > All of the Native American population that had migrated to the New World by walking over the Arctic or from Russia during winter when the ice was frozen over were were still living in the Stone Age.
> 
> "All" of them walked over? They never had any offspring? ;)


I always knew that Steve Carroll was tard. Thanks for proving it, once again.

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#330946 — Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first

John Gohde wrote:
> -hh wrote:
> > owl wrote:
> > > > "owl" <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> > > >> Snit wrote:
> > > >>>  "John Gohde" <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> 
> > > >>>> How about sending all of these people home and out of
> > > >>>> the United States for good?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Sounds good. Let's start with the Europeans! Give the land
> > > >>> back to the natives and get rid of all the illegal aliens!
> > > >> 
> > > >> What "natives"?
> > > 
> > > There are no "Native Americans."
> > 
> > The conventional definition is that the indigenous population
> > when the Continent was discovered by the Europeans.
> 
> What a load of bull!

Feel free to read Christopher Columbus's reports, etc. 

 
> All of the Native American population that had migrated to 
> the New World by walking over the Arctic or from Russia 
> during winter when the ice was frozen over were ...

The land bridge ("Beringia") is one of the better theories, 
but is irrelevant to this conversation, because that event
was 11,000 = 16,500 years ago, and in human prehistory.

> ... were still living in the Stone Age. 

The same claim is also true for Europe in 10,000+ BC, even
before you take into account differences in cultural norms.

> They did not even figure out the wheel, for crying out loud.

Sorry, they actually did figure out the wheel - - Jarrod Diamond
documents this - - it is just that because the Americas did not
have a large domesticated draft animal, there was no means to 
apply the wheel technology as we are familiar with it in carts
and wagons ... it existed on childrens' toys.  

> There is absolutely nothing remotely superior about these peoples. 

Merely your personal opinion, and invariably biased.  FYI, the
concept of the alphabet and IIRC also numbering systems were also
independently invented in the Americas too (again, Diamond's books
are well sourced on these sorts of topics).  

> They were ALL vicious savages who were happily killing each
> other off with glee and even practicing human sacrifices to
> their gods, as well as cannibalism.

And this differs from Europe (and Asia) ... exactly how?  Care to
explain the bloodsheds of the 100 years war, the 30 year war, and
just how many Crusades were there again?  And that's just naming
but a very very select few .. plus ignoring other things like 
the socio-economic conditions which prompted multiple plagues,
indentured serfs .. and if memory serves, even cannibalism (Norse?).
Plus as we get closer to modern times, the industrialization of
slavery.  


> Yeah, if it wont for these Europeans, GrayCloud and ALL these 
> savages, would still be living in the Stone Age.

Nope.  Again, Diamond illustrates that it was a technology development
race, where the Europeans just happen to beat out their competitors,
possibly by as little as a few hundred years.

 
> If you want to whine on about the downfall of these people, 
> THEN you should be dumping upon Spain who some 400 years ago
> pretty much committed genocide upon them for their gold.

What, and ignore our High School history lessons on the "Manifest 
Destiny" doctrine as perpetrated much more recently by the USA?

 
> Still, according to a rather recent PBS the Spaniards 
> actually had some justification for butchering all the 
> natives. Seems that at the end of 1500s the nice native 
> Americans had cannibalized a Spanish settlement.  They 
> kept them locked up in huts, ate them one at a time, over
> a long period of time.

Doesn't sound particularly likely, but got a cite for that?


> Of course, PBS only reported on the cannibalism.  It was 
> Moi who connected the dots.

There's then a lot of dots absent, apparently, as what you're
really doing is revealing the Western cultural attitude towards
that practice:  it existed at least as a (quasi-religious?)
practice with a much more social (than sustenance) basis within
several non-Western cultures for vastly longer than the USA has
existed ... but you're trying to rationalize that since the 
West has been the aggressor and conqueror, it can only be because
of some supposed moral superiority instead of technological,
despite all of the "dots" which regularly display how it was the
West who was the chronic aggressor and treaty violator. 
 
> While one could argue as to which group was the first to
>  be hostile, I would NOT be surprised at all if these nice
> native Americans started the blood bath, first.

I can recall being told that of all of the treaties that the 
USA signed with Native Americans, all of the treaties which 
were broken was done so by the USA, not the Tribes.  Don't 
know if this is true, but do feel free to go do the pertinent 
research and report back to us.  Ditto for reading Diamond's
books, particularly "Guns, Germs & Steel", to become much
better informed on these sorts of topics. 
 

-hh

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#330970 — Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 5:52:26 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
> John Gohde wrote:
> > -hh wrote:
> > > owl wrote:
> > > > > "owl" <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> > > > >> Snit wrote:
> > > > >>>  "John Gohde" <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>>> How about sending all of these people home and out of
> > > > >>>> the United States for good?
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>> Sounds good. Let's start with the Europeans! Give the land
> > > > >>> back to the natives and get rid of all the illegal aliens!
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> What "natives"?
> > > > 
> > > > There are no "Native Americans."
> > > 
> > > The conventional definition is that the indigenous population
> > > when the Continent was discovered by the Europeans.
> > 
> > What a load of bull!
> 
> Feel free to read Christopher Columbus's reports, etc. 
> 
>  
> > All of the Native American population that had migrated to 
> > the New World by walking over the Arctic or from Russia 
> > during winter when the ice was frozen over were ...
> 
> The land bridge ("Beringia") is one of the better theories, 
> but is irrelevant to this conversation, because that event
> was 11,000 = 16,500 years ago, and in human prehistory.
> 
> > ... were still living in the Stone Age. 
> 
> The same claim is also true for Europe in 10,000+ BC, even
> before you take into account differences in cultural norms.
> 
> > They did not even figure out the wheel, for crying out loud.
> 
> Sorry, they actually did figure out the wheel - - Jarrod Diamond
> documents this - - it is just that because the Americas did not
> have a large domesticated draft animal, there was no means to 
> apply the wheel technology as we are familiar with it in carts
> and wagons ... it existed on childrens' toys.  
> 
> > There is absolutely nothing remotely superior about these peoples. 
> 
> Merely your personal opinion, and invariably biased.  FYI, the
> concept of the alphabet and IIRC also numbering systems were also
> independently invented in the Americas too (again, Diamond's books
> are well sourced on these sorts of topics).  
> 
> > They were ALL vicious savages who were happily killing each
> > other off with glee and even practicing human sacrifices to
> > their gods, as well as cannibalism.
> 
> And this differs from Europe (and Asia) ... exactly how?  Care to
> explain the bloodsheds of the 100 years war, the 30 year war, and
> just how many Crusades were there again?  And that's just naming
> but a very very select few .. plus ignoring other things like 
> the socio-economic conditions which prompted multiple plagues,
> indentured serfs .. and if memory serves, even cannibalism (Norse?).
> Plus as we get closer to modern times, the industrialization of
> slavery.  
> 
> 
> > Yeah, if it wont for these Europeans, GrayCloud and ALL these 
> > savages, would still be living in the Stone Age.
> 
> Nope.  Again, Diamond illustrates that it was a technology development
> race, where the Europeans just happen to beat out their competitors,
> possibly by as little as a few hundred years.
> 
>  
> > If you want to whine on about the downfall of these people, 
> > THEN you should be dumping upon Spain who some 400 years ago
> > pretty much committed genocide upon them for their gold.
> 
> What, and ignore our High School history lessons on the "Manifest 
> Destiny" doctrine as perpetrated much more recently by the USA?
> 
>  
> > Still, according to a rather recent PBS the Spaniards 
> > actually had some justification for butchering all the 
> > natives. Seems that at the end of 1500s the nice native 
> > Americans had cannibalized a Spanish settlement.  They 
> > kept them locked up in huts, ate them one at a time, over
> > a long period of time.
> 
> Doesn't sound particularly likely, but got a cite for that?
> 
> 
> > Of course, PBS only reported on the cannibalism.  It was 
> > Moi who connected the dots.
> 
> There's then a lot of dots absent, apparently, as what you're
> really doing is revealing the Western cultural attitude towards
> that practice:  it existed at least as a (quasi-religious?)
> practice with a much more social (than sustenance) basis within
> several non-Western cultures for vastly longer than the USA has
> existed ... but you're trying to rationalize that since the 
> West has been the aggressor and conqueror, it can only be because
> of some supposed moral superiority instead of technological,
> despite all of the "dots" which regularly display how it was the
> West who was the chronic aggressor and treaty violator. 
>  
> > While one could argue as to which group was the first to
> >  be hostile, I would NOT be surprised at all if these nice
> > native Americans started the blood bath, first.
> 
> I can recall being told that of all of the treaties that the 
> USA signed with Native Americans, all of the treaties which 
> were broken was done so by the USA, not the Tribes.  Don't 
> know if this is true, but do feel free to go do the pertinent 
> research and report back to us.  Ditto for reading Diamond's
> books, particularly "Guns, Germs & Steel", to become much
> better informed on these sorts of topics. 


I do NOT suffer from White Guilt, nor from a stupid brain; unlike you.

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#330991 — Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 9:15:28 AM UTC+9, John Gohde wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 5:52:26 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
> > John Gohde wrote:
> > > -hh wrote:
> > > > owl wrote:
> > > > > > "owl" <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > >> Snit wrote:
> > > > > >>>  "John Gohde" <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>> 
> > > > > >>>> How about sending all of these people home and out of
> > > > > >>>> the United States for good?
> > > > > >>> 
> > > > > >>> Sounds good. Let's start with the Europeans! Give the land
> > > > > >>> back to the natives and get rid of all the illegal aliens!
> > > > > >> 
> > > > > >> What "natives"?
> > > > > 
> > > > > There are no "Native Americans."
> > > > 
> > > > The conventional definition is that the indigenous population
> > > > when the Continent was discovered by the Europeans.
> > > 
> > > What a load of bull!
> > 
> > Feel free to read Christopher Columbus's reports, etc. 
> > 
> >  
> > > All of the Native American population that had migrated to 
> > > the New World by walking over the Arctic or from Russia 
> > > during winter when the ice was frozen over were ...
> > 
> > The land bridge ("Beringia") is one of the better theories, 
> > but is irrelevant to this conversation, because that event
> > was 11,000 = 16,500 years ago, and in human prehistory.
> > 
> > > ... were still living in the Stone Age. 
> > 
> > The same claim is also true for Europe in 10,000+ BC, even
> > before you take into account differences in cultural norms.
> > 
> > > They did not even figure out the wheel, for crying out loud.
> > 
> > Sorry, they actually did figure out the wheel - - Jarrod Diamond
> > documents this - - it is just that because the Americas did not
> > have a large domesticated draft animal, there was no means to 
> > apply the wheel technology as we are familiar with it in carts
> > and wagons ... it existed on childrens' toys.  
> > 
> > > There is absolutely nothing remotely superior about these peoples. 
> > 
> > Merely your personal opinion, and invariably biased.  FYI, the
> > concept of the alphabet and IIRC also numbering systems were also
> > independently invented in the Americas too (again, Diamond's books
> > are well sourced on these sorts of topics).  
> > 
> > > They were ALL vicious savages who were happily killing each
> > > other off with glee and even practicing human sacrifices to
> > > their gods, as well as cannibalism.
> > 
> > And this differs from Europe (and Asia) ... exactly how?  Care to
> > explain the bloodsheds of the 100 years war, the 30 year war, and
> > just how many Crusades were there again?  And that's just naming
> > but a very very select few .. plus ignoring other things like 
> > the socio-economic conditions which prompted multiple plagues,
> > indentured serfs .. and if memory serves, even cannibalism (Norse?).
> > Plus as we get closer to modern times, the industrialization of
> > slavery.  
> > 
> > 
> > > Yeah, if it wont for these Europeans, GrayCloud and ALL these 
> > > savages, would still be living in the Stone Age.
> > 
> > Nope.  Again, Diamond illustrates that it was a technology development
> > race, where the Europeans just happen to beat out their competitors,
> > possibly by as little as a few hundred years.
> > 
> >  
> > > If you want to whine on about the downfall of these people, 
> > > THEN you should be dumping upon Spain who some 400 years ago
> > > pretty much committed genocide upon them for their gold.
> > 
> > What, and ignore our High School history lessons on the "Manifest 
> > Destiny" doctrine as perpetrated much more recently by the USA?
> > 
> >  
> > > Still, according to a rather recent PBS the Spaniards 
> > > actually had some justification for butchering all the 
> > > natives. Seems that at the end of 1500s the nice native 
> > > Americans had cannibalized a Spanish settlement.  They 
> > > kept them locked up in huts, ate them one at a time, over
> > > a long period of time.
> > 
> > Doesn't sound particularly likely, but got a cite for that?
> > 
> > 
> > > Of course, PBS only reported on the cannibalism.  It was 
> > > Moi who connected the dots.
> > 
> > There's then a lot of dots absent, apparently, as what you're
> > really doing is revealing the Western cultural attitude towards
> > that practice:  it existed at least as a (quasi-religious?)
> > practice with a much more social (than sustenance) basis within
> > several non-Western cultures for vastly longer than the USA has
> > existed ... but you're trying to rationalize that since the 
> > West has been the aggressor and conqueror, it can only be because
> > of some supposed moral superiority instead of technological,
> > despite all of the "dots" which regularly display how it was the
> > West who was the chronic aggressor and treaty violator. 
> >  
> > > While one could argue as to which group was the first to
> > >  be hostile, I would NOT be surprised at all if these nice
> > > native Americans started the blood bath, first.
> > 
> > I can recall being told that of all of the treaties that the 
> > USA signed with Native Americans, all of the treaties which 
> > were broken was done so by the USA, not the Tribes.  Don't 
> > know if this is true, but do feel free to go do the pertinent 
> > research and report back to us.  Ditto for reading Diamond's
> > books, particularly "Guns, Germs & Steel", to become much
> > better informed on these sorts of topics. 
> 
> 
> I do NOT suffer from White Guilt, nor from a stupid brain; unlike you.

Richmond belongs to the Indians, go home Gohde.

IMHO the land belongs to the first primate species who came there barefoot first.  For the US, this is the slanted eye race from Asia, i.e. Japs and Eskimo...  Now tell me who should be the owner of the land on the Moon and Mars? The Russians were first on the moon but with a robot only, i.e. not a primate.  Unless the moon landings were faked, the Anglo-Saxon Americans should own this planet...

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russian-official-proposes-international-investigation-into-us-moon-landings/523799.html

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moon_landing_hoax

http://www.enkivillage.com/moon-landing-hoax.html

Lovely place to relocate Moi's shack there, isn't it?  He can even get an Internet connection there to jerk to his favorite redtube there ;-)

https://www.moonestates.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_Internet

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#331056 — Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first

On 11/4/2015 8:26 PM, Takuya Saitoh wrote:
> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 9:15:28 AM UTC+9, John Gohde wrote:
>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 5:52:26 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:

>> I do NOT suffer from White Guilt, nor from a stupid brain; unlike you.
>
> Richmond belongs to the Indians, go home Gohde.
>
> IMHO the land belongs to the first primate species who came there barefoot first.  For the US, this is the slanted eye race from Asia, i.e. Japs and Eskimo...  Now tell me who should be the owner of the land on the Moon and Mars? The Russians were first on the moon but with a robot only, i.e. not a primate.  Unless the moon landings were faked, the Anglo-Saxon Americans should own this planet...

Unfortunately, the land belongs to whoever can take and hold it by force.


> http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russian-official-proposes-international-investigation-into-us-moon-landings/523799.html
>
> http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moon_landing_hoax
>
> http://www.enkivillage.com/moon-landing-hoax.html
>
> Lovely place to relocate Moi's shack there, isn't it?  He can even get an Internet connection there to jerk to his favorite redtube there ;-)

ha!

(thanks for the mention of redtube.  Had never seen it - I like xhamster).



> https://www.moonestates.com/
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_Internet
>

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#331030 — the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing.

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 10:08:44 AM UTC-5, John Gohde wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 9:49:56 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
> > owl wrote:
> > > > "owl" <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> > > >> Snit wrote:
> > > >>>  "John Gohde" <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> 
> > > >>>> How about sending all of these people home and out of
> > > >>>> the United States for good?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Sounds good. Let's start with the Europeans! Give the land
> > > >>> back to the natives and get rid of all the illegal aliens!
> > > >> 
> > > >> What "natives"?
> > > 
> > > There are no "Native Americans."
> > 
> > The conventional definition is that the indigenous population
> > when the Continent was discovered by the Europeans.
> 
> 
> What a load of bull!
> 
> All of the Native American population that had migrated to the New World by walking over the Arctic or from Russia during winter when the ice was frozen over were were still living in the Stone Age.  They did not even figure out the wheel, for crying out loud.
> 
> There is absolutely nothing remotely superior about these peoples. They were ALL vicious savages who were happily killing each other off with glee and even practicing human sacrifices to their gods, as well as cannibalism.
> 
> Yeah, if it wont for these Europeans, GrayCloud and ALL these savages, would still be living in the Stone Age.
> 
> If you want to whine on about the downfall of these people, THEN you should be dumping upon Spain who some 400 years ago pretty much committed genocide upon them for their gold.
> 
> Still, according to a rather recent PBS the Spaniards actually had some justification for butchering all the natives. Seems that at the end of 1500s the nice native Americans had cannibalized a Spanish settlement.  They kept them locked up in huts, ate them one at a time, over a long period of time.


Web pages and videos on the Aztec culture being extremely blood thirsty are all over the place.

Human sacrifice in Aztec culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture

Information on Aztec cannibalizm is likewise easy to find, even though I have yet been able to locate the specific PBS television program that I had watched.

Human sacrifice and cannibalism in the Aztec people
http://anthropology.msu.edu/anp363-ss13/2013/04/21/human-sacrifice-and-cannibalism-in-the-aztec-people/

CANNIBALISM IN MIDDLE AMERICA
http://www.heretical.com/cannibal/mamerica.html

"As well-trained, methodical butchers of the battlefield and as citizens of the land of the Inquisition, Cortés and his men, who arrived in Mexico in 1519, were inured to displays of cruelty and bloodshed. It must have come as no great surprise to them that the Aztecs methodically sacrificed human beings ... Still, they were not quite prepared for what they found in Mexico.

Nowhere else in the world had there developed a state-sponsored religion whose art, architecture and ritual were so thoroughly dominated by violence, decay, death and disease. Nowhere else were walls and plazas of great temples and palaces reserved for such a concentrated display of jaws, fangs, claws, talons, bones and gaping death heads. The eyewitness accounts of Cortés and his fellow conquistador, Bernal Díaz, leave no doubt concerning the ecclesiastical meaning of the dreadful visages portrayed in stone. The Aztec gods ate people. They ate human hearts and they drank human blood. And the declared function of the Aztec priesthood was to provide fresh human hearts and human blood in order to prevent the remorseless deities from becoming angry and crippling, sickening, withering, and burning the whole world."

In short, the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. Spain has nothing to feel guilty about.

GrayCloud is full of it!

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