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Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers

Started by"F. Russell" <fr@random.info>
First post2018-10-22 22:44 +0000
Last post2018-10-24 21:25 -0400
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  Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-10-22 22:44 +0000
    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-23 09:06 -0400
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 06:17 -0700
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-23 09:20 -0400
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 06:47 -0700
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 06:54 -0700
          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 07:34 -0700
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-23 08:23 -0500
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-23 10:07 -0400
          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-23 10:57 -0400
            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-23 11:13 -0400
              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-23 17:11 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-23 13:28 -0400
                  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-23 19:13 +0000
                    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 12:37 -0700
                      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-23 18:43 -0400
                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 23:21 +0000
                          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:13 -0400
                            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 07:16 -0700
                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-23 20:02 -0400
                          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 17:53 -0700
                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 18:18 -0700
                          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:15 -0400
                            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 08:37 -0700
                    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-23 18:41 -0400
                      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 23:20 +0000
                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-23 20:03 -0400
                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 18:12 -0700
                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:39 -0400
                          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 19:54 +0000
                            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 17:34 -0400
                              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 22:23 +0000
                                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 18:36 -0400
                                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 16:56 -0700
                            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-24 21:19 -0400
                              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 18:27 -0700
                            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 18:37 -0700
                          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 16:32 -0400
                      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 02:05 +0000
                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 19:17 -0700
                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 19:32 -0700
                          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 02:37 -0700
                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 08:39 -0400
                          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 06:14 -0700
                          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:45 -0400
                            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 15:26 +0000
                              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 08:49 -0700
                                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 13:03 -0400
                                  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 18:45 -0700
                                    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 19:30 -0700
                                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 10:53 -0700
                              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 13:02 -0400
                                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 18:08 +0000
                                  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 14:15 -0400
                                    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 18:19 +0000
                                      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 14:23 -0400
                                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 18:50 +0000
                                    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 16:41 -0400
                                      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 14:00 -0700
                                      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 21:01 +0000
                                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 14:31 -0700
                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 06:58 -0700
                          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:49 -0400
                            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 08:34 -0700
                            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 08:48 -0700
                              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 09:05 -0700
                    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-23 20:00 -0400
                      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 17:29 -0700
                      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 17:59 -0700
                    What is your profession, Owl ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-10-23 17:07 -0700
                      Re: What is your profession, Owl ? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 02:06 +0000
                        Are you Chris Caputo ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-10-23 22:53 -0700
                          Re: Are you Chris Caputo ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 23:13 -0700
                          Re: Are you Chris Caputo ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 03:09 -0700
                        Re: What is your profession, Owl ? DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-24 10:28 -0400
                          Re: What is your profession, Owl ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 07:47 -0700
                          What is your profession, Owl ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-10-24 07:53 -0700
                          Re: What is your profession, Owl ? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 15:06 +0000
                          Re: What is your profession, Owl ? Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 20:10 +0200
                            Re: What is your profession, Owl ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 11:40 -0700
              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-23 19:44 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 18:03 -0700
                  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:28 -0400
                    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 08:39 -0700
                      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 08:49 -0700
                      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 20:07 +0200
                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 18:11 +0000
                          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 20:17 +0200
                            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 18:37 +0000
                              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 00:37 +0200
                                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 16:22 -0700
                                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-25 12:20 +0000
                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 14:18 -0400
                          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 16:41 -0400
                            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 16:58 -0700
                            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-25 07:13 -0500
                          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 18:38 -0700
                            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 03:43 +0200
                              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 18:58 -0700
                            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 18:58 -0700
                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 18:39 -0700
                          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 03:48 +0200
                            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 18:56 -0700
                              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 04:14 +0200
                                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 19:29 -0700
                                  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 19:46 -0700
                    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 12:25 -0400
                      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 09:38 -0700
                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 10:07 -0700
                      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 13:12 -0400
                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-24 15:38 -0400
                          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 12:58 -0700
                          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 17:30 -0400
                            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 15:19 -0700
                            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-24 21:56 -0400
                              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-25 09:48 -0400
                                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-25 07:04 -0700
                                  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 08:31 -0700
                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 16:39 -0400
                          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 21:10 +0000
                            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 18:50 -0400
                              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-25 12:39 +0000
                                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-25 08:53 -0400
                                  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-25 13:09 +0000
                                    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-25 10:56 -0400
                                      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-25 17:11 +0000
                                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 10:22 -0700
                                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 11:08 -0700
                                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 14:32 -0700
                                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-26 08:07 -0400
                                          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-26 14:44 +0000
                                            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-26 12:10 -0400
                                              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-26 16:46 +0000
                                                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-26 10:04 -0700
                                                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-26 13:48 -0400
                                                  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-10-26 17:55 +0000
                                                    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-27 11:41 -0400
                                                      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 08:56 -0700
                                                      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-10-27 17:08 +0000
                                                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 11:17 -0700
                                                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-27 16:12 -0400
                                                          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-10-27 21:01 +0000
                                                            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 14:10 -0700
                                                              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 18:03 -0700
                                                            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 14:41 -0700
                                                            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-27 20:26 -0400
                                  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-25 06:57 -0700
                                  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 16:44 +0000
                                    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 10:06 -0700
                                    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-25 16:02 -0700
                                    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-26 08:05 -0400
                                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 06:26 -0700
                      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-24 12:47 -0500
                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 11:09 -0700
                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 18:43 -0700
                        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-25 07:06 -0500
                          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 05:07 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:25 -0400
                  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 07:32 -0700
                  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 12:22 -0400
                    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 13:07 -0400
                    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 10:22 -0700
            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-23 12:00 -0500
              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-23 17:24 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-23 12:30 -0500
                  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-23 18:48 +0000
                    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 12:38 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 12:45 -0700
              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 11:12 -0700
              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 18:28 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 12:43 -0700
                  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 13:01 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-10-23 14:30 -0700
                  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 14:40 -0700
                    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 15:07 -0700
                  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 14:51 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-23 19:57 -0400
                  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 18:01 -0700
            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 16:32 -0700
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 18:20 +0000
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 11:43 -0700
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-23 18:44 -0400
          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 23:23 +0000
            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 16:57 -0700
            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 18:03 -0700
              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:30 -0400
            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:30 -0400
    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-23 12:19 -0500
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 10:26 -0700
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-25 11:02 -0400
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-28 03:37 +0100
          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 20:41 -0700
          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-29 07:50 -0500
            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 23:43 -0700
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-28 03:34 +0100
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 19:38 -0700
          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-28 04:00 -0700
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-29 07:49 -0500
          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-29 07:22 -0700
          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 22:56 -0700
    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-24 21:25 -0400

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Fromproletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org>
Date2018-10-24 13:07 -0400
Message-ID<j3c0puyuj1nw.1lg4sqbt487ly$.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#473347
On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 12:22:43 -0400, SilverSlimer wrote:

> On 2018-10-24 10:25 a.m., proletariat wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 19:44:47 -0400, SilverSlimer wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2018-10-23 11:13 a.m., proletariat wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 10:57:17 -0400, SilverSlimer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2018-10-23 10:07 a.m., proletariat wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 08:23:18 -0500, chrisv wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> proletariat wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's a rather fitting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *plonk*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And another Stallman worshiper surfaces like a pile of shit in a toilet
>>>>>> bowl floating to the surface.
>>>>>
>>>>> To be fair to chrisv, you're clearly a troll and he has no patient for
>>>>> that. On the other hand, we can't expect any kind of objectivity from
>>>>> the guy. His behaviour on the newsgroup, over the years, has made it
>>>>> clear that he's an unapologetic leftist who intentionally closes his
>>>>> eyes and ears to reality.
>>>>
>>>> Just about everyone in this group is a troll, including the OP for this
>>>> thread.
>>>
>>> I'll give you that.
>> 
>> :)
>> 
>>>> However, based upon my own experiences I truly believe Linux is
>>>> crap. At least for the tasks I need to perform. Linux should give up trying
>>>> to be Windows and concentrate on what it does best, supercomputers,
>>>> embedded operating system for TV's, microwaves and such, Android and
>>>> possibly servers. Windows and OSX run circles around Linux and no matter
>>>> how much the bearded masses will claim Linux's superiority, the vast
>>>> majority of people do not see it that way.
>>>
>>> I imagine that to really appreciate Linux, you need to be a programmer.
>>> For the typical user, I have to admit that the benefits aren't too clear
>>> outside of "you can't get viruses."
>> 
>> Exactly.
>> Just look at the typical threads in this group.
>> And it's no different anywhere else Linux users congregate.
>> 
>> For a typical computer user, Linux is a bust.
>> The chance for Linux to compete with Windows desktop is long gone.
> 
> The biggest hope for Linux is a stronger involvement from Google, the 
> way I see it. However, Google isn't exactly the best ally considering 
> they're in business for themselves and not the greater good. As shoddy 
> as Windows is, especially with updates, it's still a product that will 
> appeal to the greater number of people.

I agree, especially for cloud computing which is where the industry seems
to be moving.
Once an application lives in the cloud, it doesn't matter what OS is
accessing it.

Huge opportunity for Linux.
Assuming Linux can overcome the stigma it now has.



>>>> The typical Linux experience goes something like this:
>>>>
>>>> 1. The break up with your current girlfriend. Her name is Windows.
>>>>
>>>> 2. The discovery of a new girlfriend who does everything you deamand of her
>>>> and doesn't cost anything or spy on you. Her name is Linux.
>>>>
>>>> 3. The courtship and honeymoon phase with Linux. This is where Linux can do
>>>> no wrong and you tell all your friends about how great Linux is compared to
>>>> your old girlfriend Windows.
>>>>
>>>> 4. The 7 month itch. This is where you start to realize all the extra hoops
>>>> and rings you need to jump through in order to date Linux.
>>>>
>>>> 5. The break up with Linux. You ultimately realize you have been fooling
>>>> yourself into believing Linux is better than your last girlfriend Windows.
>>>>
>>>> 6. The return to Windows. This is where you return to your previous
>>>> girlfriend Windows because you now realize how great she is and how you
>>>> will never leave her again.
>>>>
>>>> It happens all the time when people give Linux a try.
>>>
>>> Well, I can't claim that I haven't experienced the same. The moment I
>>> start working again, it becomes painfully clear that Linux doesn't fill
>>> my every need.
>> 
>> Same here.
>> And it's a very typical experience. I have yet to see a Linux user
>> demonstrate how Linux, using the gui like most people will do, is a
>> superior more efficient, better looking, faster, better running platform
>> than Windows or osx is.
>> 
>> Once the repository, maleware, free, source code etc reasoning is exhausted
>> it comes down to hardware support and applications. Windows wins that one
>> by a country mile.
> 
> There's no denying that repositories are much better than Windows' 
> current approach, but both Windows and MacOS are somewhat remedying that 
> with their respective stores. I believe that Apple uses theirs to deploy 
> software, software updates and system updates whereas Microsoft uses 
> theirs for "modern" applications and their updates. Technically, their 
> updates go through the same process. Unfortunately for Microsoft,  most 
> of the software in their store is pure shite.

They are, but it's slow and Linux is best of breed when it comes to one
place to obtain software. 
The bar is set high already by Linux.

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#473359

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-24 10:22 -0700
Message-ID<9a6cd85b-f638-4702-b058-6abe73c5429f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473347
On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 at 9:22:45 AM UTC-7, SilverSlimer wrote:
> On 2018-10-24 10:25 a.m., proletariat wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 19:44:47 -0400, SilverSlimer wrote:
> > 
> >> On 2018-10-23 11:13 a.m., proletariat wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 10:57:17 -0400, SilverSlimer wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2018-10-23 10:07 a.m., proletariat wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 08:23:18 -0500, chrisv wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> proletariat wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's a rather fitting
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *plonk*
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And another Stallman worshiper surfaces like a pile of shit in a toilet
> >>>>> bowl floating to the surface.
> >>>>
> >>>> To be fair to chrisv, you're clearly a troll and he has no patient for
> >>>> that. On the other hand, we can't expect any kind of objectivity from
> >>>> the guy. His behaviour on the newsgroup, over the years, has made it
> >>>> clear that he's an unapologetic leftist who intentionally closes his
> >>>> eyes and ears to reality.
> >>>
> >>> Just about everyone in this group is a troll, including the OP for this
> >>> thread.
> >>
> >> I'll give you that.
> > 
> > :)
> > 
> >>> However, based upon my own experiences I truly believe Linux is
> >>> crap. At least for the tasks I need to perform. Linux should give up trying
> >>> to be Windows and concentrate on what it does best, supercomputers,
> >>> embedded operating system for TV's, microwaves and such, Android and
> >>> possibly servers. Windows and OSX run circles around Linux and no matter
> >>> how much the bearded masses will claim Linux's superiority, the vast
> >>> majority of people do not see it that way.
> >>
> >> I imagine that to really appreciate Linux, you need to be a programmer.
> >> For the typical user, I have to admit that the benefits aren't too clear
> >> outside of "you can't get viruses."
> > 
> > Exactly.
> > Just look at the typical threads in this group.
> > And it's no different anywhere else Linux users congregate.
> > 
> > For a typical computer user, Linux is a bust.
> > The chance for Linux to compete with Windows desktop is long gone.
> 
> The biggest hope for Linux is a stronger involvement from Google, the 
> way I see it. However, Google isn't exactly the best ally considering 
> they're in business for themselves and not the greater good. As shoddy 
> as Windows is, especially with updates, it's still a product that will 
> appeal to the greater number of people.
> 
> >>> The typical Linux experience goes something like this:
> >>>
> >>> 1. The break up with your current girlfriend. Her name is Windows.
> >>>
> >>> 2. The discovery of a new girlfriend who does everything you deamand of her
> >>> and doesn't cost anything or spy on you. Her name is Linux.
> >>>
> >>> 3. The courtship and honeymoon phase with Linux. This is where Linux can do
> >>> no wrong and you tell all your friends about how great Linux is compared to
> >>> your old girlfriend Windows.
> >>>
> >>> 4. The 7 month itch. This is where you start to realize all the extra hoops
> >>> and rings you need to jump through in order to date Linux.
> >>>
> >>> 5. The break up with Linux. You ultimately realize you have been fooling
> >>> yourself into believing Linux is better than your last girlfriend Windows.
> >>>
> >>> 6. The return to Windows. This is where you return to your previous
> >>> girlfriend Windows because you now realize how great she is and how you
> >>> will never leave her again.
> >>>
> >>> It happens all the time when people give Linux a try.
> >>
> >> Well, I can't claim that I haven't experienced the same. The moment I
> >> start working again, it becomes painfully clear that Linux doesn't fill
> >> my every need.
> > 
> > Same here.
> > And it's a very typical experience. I have yet to see a Linux user
> > demonstrate how Linux, using the gui like most people will do, is a
> > superior more efficient, better looking, faster, better running platform
> > than Windows or osx is.
> > 
> > Once the repository, maleware, free, source code etc reasoning is exhausted
> > it comes down to hardware support and applications. Windows wins that one
> > by a country mile.
> 
> There's no denying that repositories are much better than Windows' 
> current approach, but both Windows and MacOS are somewhat remedying that 
> with their respective stores. I believe that Apple uses theirs to deploy 
> software, software updates and system updates whereas Microsoft uses 
> theirs for "modern" applications and their updates. Technically, their 
> updates go through the same process. Unfortunately for Microsoft,  most 
> of the software in their store is pure shite.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> SilverSlimer



What do you get out of lying, Klaus Schadenfreude? 

Who are you even talking to? Being independent as it is, usenet will never go away but it'll never be very useful. Sandman makes things up.  Here is a list of names Jonas Eklundh has admitted he attributes to Klaus Schadenfreude "Cactus Pete", "Donald", "Donald Miller", "Horace McSwain", "Hymen", "meat", "Mike Weaver", "Modena IV Drid", "Omar Murad Asfour", "Rhino Plastee", "Soapy", "SopwithCamel", "Sunny Day", "Takuya Saitoh", "The Letter Q", "tmelmosfire", "zevon". And the herd is stupid enough to believe him. 

After yesterday's update I no longer want to gouge out my eyeballs from the flicker of the screen. 

I thought showing someone some kindness might help the situation. It did not. 

-- 
Live on Kickstarter
https://youtu.be/r7wys2JvBD0
http://www.5z8.info/backyard-fireworks-disasters_t7w7pu_bombbuilding
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#473177

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-10-23 12:00 -0500
Message-ID<5ikusdtsi9fgrksg5onoq4mno64c1m7tvf@4ax.com>
In reply to#473168
SilverSlimer wrote:

>To be fair to chrisv, you're clearly a troll and he has no patient for 
>that. On the other hand, we can't expect any kind of objectivity from 
>the guy. His behaviour on the newsgroup, over the years, has made it 
>clear that he's an unapologetic leftist who intentionally closes his 
>eyes and ears to reality.

Right-wing propaganda is not the reality.

-- 
"People are not going to migrate to desktop Linux until the open
source community gets its act together."  -  some thing

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#473181

Fromowl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date2018-10-23 17:24 +0000
Message-ID<spaz8080b4.abayo3@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to#473177
chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> SilverSlimer wrote:
> 
>>To be fair to chrisv, you're clearly a troll and he has no patient for 
>>that. On the other hand, we can't expect any kind of objectivity from 
>>the guy. His behaviour on the newsgroup, over the years, has made it 
>>clear that he's an unapologetic leftist who intentionally closes his 
>>eyes and ears to reality.
> 
> Right-wing propaganda is not the reality.
> 

The propaganda is coming from the Left.  But if your brainwashing
has progressed too far, you won't see it for what it is, and all the
radical perversions being pushed on society will seem like good,
righteous change.  Take a look around.  Do you remember that things
used to be better in our society?  Guess who gets the credit for
the way things are today.

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#473184

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-10-23 12:30 -0500
Message-ID<uemusdh9m4420tvd7on9qia4n4lgv9q47a@4ax.com>
In reply to#473181
owl wrote:

>The propaganda is coming from the Left.  But if your brainwashing
>has progressed too far, you won't see it for what it is, and all the
>radical perversions being pushed on society will seem like good,
>righteous change.  Take a look around.  Do you remember that things
>used to be better in our society?  Guess who gets the credit for
>the way things are today.

The wealthy-elite businessman, mostly.  He runs this country.

The fact that Medicare, with its hundreds of $BILLIONS of purchasing
power, is prevented by law from negotiating prices with suppliers...
I mean, you couldn't make it up, it's so outrageous.

Bribe a few politians, screw the masses.

-- 
"Almost no one in user land gives a flying fuck about an open and free
kernel."  -  "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark

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#473194

Fromowl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date2018-10-23 18:48 +0000
Message-ID<9z0fb808ab.j0@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to#473184
chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> owl wrote:
> 
>>The propaganda is coming from the Left.  But if your brainwashing
>>has progressed too far, you won't see it for what it is, and all the
>>radical perversions being pushed on society will seem like good,
>>righteous change.  Take a look around.  Do you remember that things
>>used to be better in our society?  Guess who gets the credit for
>>the way things are today.
> 
> The wealthy-elite businessman, mostly.  He runs this country.
> 
> The fact that Medicare, with its hundreds of $BILLIONS of purchasing
> power, is prevented by law from negotiating prices with suppliers...
> I mean, you couldn't make it up, it's so outrageous.
> 
> Bribe a few politians, screw the masses.
> 

No party in the Insurance/Medical/Pharma cartel has any incentive to
reduces costs.  We need to outlaw insurance and force these assholes to
either market their products and services at prices people can afford
out of pocket or else go out of business.  Insurance is propping up the
whole house of cards.

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#473199

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-10-23 12:38 -0700
Message-ID<g39bmgFl2k9U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#473194
On 10/23/18 11:48 AM, owl wrote:
> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> owl wrote:
>>
>>> The propaganda is coming from the Left.  But if your brainwashing
>>> has progressed too far, you won't see it for what it is, and all the
>>> radical perversions being pushed on society will seem like good,
>>> righteous change.  Take a look around.  Do you remember that things
>>> used to be better in our society?  Guess who gets the credit for
>>> the way things are today.
>>
>> The wealthy-elite businessman, mostly.  He runs this country.
>>
>> The fact that Medicare, with its hundreds of $BILLIONS of purchasing
>> power, is prevented by law from negotiating prices with suppliers...
>> I mean, you couldn't make it up, it's so outrageous.
>>
>> Bribe a few politians, screw the masses.
>>
> 
> No party in the Insurance/Medical/Pharma cartel has any incentive to
> reduces costs.  We need to outlaw insurance and force these assholes to
> either market their products and services at prices people can afford
> out of pocket or else go out of business.  Insurance is propping up the
> whole house of cards.
> 

Single. Payer. System.

With that there IS the risk of having people over-use the system even 
when not needed, but even with that, as we see in many countries, the 
costs are lower (and the outcomes *mostly* better).

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#473202

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-10-23 12:45 -0700
Message-ID<g39c3hFl5jqU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#473181
On 10/23/18 10:24 AM, owl wrote:
> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> SilverSlimer wrote:
>>
>>> To be fair to chrisv, you're clearly a troll and he has no patient for
>>> that. On the other hand, we can't expect any kind of objectivity from
>>> the guy. His behaviour on the newsgroup, over the years, has made it
>>> clear that he's an unapologetic leftist who intentionally closes his
>>> eyes and ears to reality.
>>
>> Right-wing propaganda is not the reality.
>>
> 
> The propaganda is coming from the Left.  But if your brainwashing
> has progressed too far, you won't see it for what it is, and all the
> radical perversions being pushed on society will seem like good,
> righteous change.  Take a look around.  Do you remember that things
> used to be better in our society?  Guess who gets the credit for
> the way things are today.
> 
Things used to be better when? When blacks could not vote? When they 
were slaves? When gays did not have equal rights to marriage? When women 
could not own property? When women could not vote?

The biggest "slide" down we are seeing is the growing income inequality 
which leads to greater social unrest. And guess what, that comes from 
BOTH parties (though the Democrats at least give lip service to trying 
to fix it... and some on the left actually want to).

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#473187

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-23 11:12 -0700
Message-ID<6ddc0653-57fe-44d7-a4eb-d3deb3ac4912@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473177
On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 10:01:00 AM UTC-7, chrisv wrote:
> SilverSlimer wrote:
> 
> >To be fair to chrisv, you're clearly a troll and he has no patient for 
> >that. On the other hand, we can't expect any kind of objectivity from 
> >the guy. His behaviour on the newsgroup, over the years, has made it 
> >clear that he's an unapologetic leftist who intentionally closes his 
> >eyes and ears to reality.
> 
> Right-wing propaganda is not the reality.
> 
> -- 
> "People are not going to migrate to desktop Linux until the open
> source community gets its act together."  -  some thing



I shall not ask Klaus Schadenfreude how any part of Peter Köhlmann's body tastes no matter how habitually Klaus Schadenfreude licks it. 

Sandman trolls Klaus Schadenfreude. Here is a list of names Jonas Eklundh has admitted he attributes to Klaus Schadenfreude "Cactus Pete", "Donald", "Donald Miller", "Horace McSwain", "Hymen", "meat", "Mike Weaver", "Modena IV Drid", "Omar Murad Asfour", "Rhino Plastee", "Soapy", "SopwithCamel", "Sunny Day", "Takuya Saitoh", "The Letter Q", "tmelmosfire", "zevon". All total lies, of course. His "troubleshooting prowess" distracted him from an extension he insists does not exists that Peter Köhlmann found in seconds for Wayland. With all the crowing Klaus Schadenfreude's done on this topic, the 'Accessibility Specialist' doesn't get how to do this. It literally takes a couple seconds to select a selection and 'capitalize' it. It's like a prank call. Klaus Schadenfreude has already decided what he is going to say before he calls. What you say is ignored. What Peter Köhlmann says is beside the point. Just bullshit from Klaus Schadenfreude. But Klaus Schadenfreude has completely left reason behind and is just holding me culpable for the acts of himself. 

-- 
Do not click this link!
Michael Glasser: Prescott Computer Guy
http://prescottcomputerguy.com
http://www.5z8.info/creditscore_g7f8du_launchexe
Jonas Eklundh

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#473190

FromRonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-23 18:28 +0000
Message-ID<pqnp7l$pca$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#473177
On 2018-10-23, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> SilverSlimer wrote:
>
>>To be fair to chrisv, you're clearly a troll and he has no patient for 
>>that. On the other hand, we can't expect any kind of objectivity from 
>>the guy. His behaviour on the newsgroup, over the years, has made it 
>>clear that he's an unapologetic leftist who intentionally closes his 
>>eyes and ears to reality.
>
> Right-wing propaganda is not the reality.

Neither is left-wing propaganda. 

Satire ...

~~
'Anti-Science' Trump Administration To Revert Definition Of Gender To 
Objective, Scientific Standard

Oct 22, 2018

WASHINGTON, D.C.—The "anti-science" and "anti-facts" Trump administration is 
considering reverting the definition of gender to a biological, objective, 
scientific standard, drawing the ire of the "pro-science" left.

Critics have long claimed Trump is opposed to science, and they believe his 
decision to use scientific standards to define gender prove his anti-science 
stance.

"Trump obviously can't stand scientific facts, and that's why he's hatefully 
changing the definition of gender to a biological, objective standard," said 
one MSNBC host. "The true lover of science knows that gender is a nebulous, 
imaginary concept that you can change based on your feelings." The hosts of 
the program then chanted "Love trumps hate!" for a full 45 minutes before 
the show ended.

Congressional Democrats held a press conference shortly after the news of 
the reversion to anti-science scientific standards. "This is 
unconscionable," said Nancy Pelosi. "These scientific standards will set us 
back thousands of years—or at least a few years, to when we changed the 
definition of gender in the first place." Congressional Democrats then 
chanted "Love trumps hate!" for a full 45 minutes before the press 
conference ended.

At publishing time, critics had further claimed that many in the Trump 
administration are demonstrably opposed to science based on their insistence 
on defining a fetus as a biological human being.
~~
https://tinyurl.com/y8ey24cz

It's not the Onion, but what the heck.

-- 
The more I see of Windows, the more I like Linux.

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#473201

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-10-23 12:43 -0700
Message-ID<g39bvaFl5jqU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#473190
On 10/23/18 11:28 AM, RonB wrote:
> On 2018-10-23, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> SilverSlimer wrote:
>>
>>> To be fair to chrisv, you're clearly a troll and he has no patient for
>>> that. On the other hand, we can't expect any kind of objectivity from
>>> the guy. His behaviour on the newsgroup, over the years, has made it
>>> clear that he's an unapologetic leftist who intentionally closes his
>>> eyes and ears to reality.
>>
>> Right-wing propaganda is not the reality.
> 
> Neither is left-wing propaganda.

But not even the left tends to trust the left-wing sources (say MSNBC, 
the second least reliable network). The right openly seeks out and trust 
their propaganda (say Fox, the least reliable and most trusted network).

...


-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#473203

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-23 13:01 -0700
Message-ID<c8721c4a-9d0b-450e-bf5b-5a96fd2c2ad0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473201
On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 12:43:42 PM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> On 10/23/18 11:28 AM, RonB wrote:
> > On 2018-10-23, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >> SilverSlimer wrote:
> >>
> >>> To be fair to chrisv, you're clearly a troll and he has no patient for
> >>> that. On the other hand, we can't expect any kind of objectivity from
> >>> the guy. His behaviour on the newsgroup, over the years, has made it
> >>> clear that he's an unapologetic leftist who intentionally closes his
> >>> eyes and ears to reality.
> >>
> >> Right-wing propaganda is not the reality.
> > 
> > Neither is left-wing propaganda.
> 
> But not even the left tends to trust the left-wing sources (say MSNBC, 
> the second least reliable network). The right openly seeks out and trust 
> their propaganda (say Fox, the least reliable and most trusted network).
> 
> ...
> 
> 
> -- 
> Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
> cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
> somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
> 
> They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
> 
> <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>



I am working on a program which will be more than anything HWSNBN can do! 

What's the group coming to when a HWSNBN insult can not get any attention... I have worked in the technology industry for almost 30 years. I have had a contract with top businesses selling to governments and green technology industries. Never, with even a hint, were we directed to not load any OS we wanted. We sold Linux, DUnix, OSF/1, among others in addition to Microsoft OSs with no issues. 

With no evidence at all, as is expected for HWSNBN. Don't get too egotistical, HWSNBN, sometimes "your unquotable lies" are just that. 

I will squash you with my brain. 

HWSNBN and Jonas Eklundh both lie ceaselessly and outrageously and continue to do so. So no motivation in showing any further care or judiciousness. I persist in being unpersuaded that these posts are unequivocally not from Jonas Eklundh, clearly they are from HWSNBN. 

--
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#473210

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2018-10-23 14:30 -0700
Message-ID<f8622fa0-fe81-4155-b6a3-a858a8d35358@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473190
On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 2:28:07 PM UTC-4, RonB wrote:
> ...
> 
> ~~
> 'Anti-Science' Trump Administration To Revert Definition Of Gender 
> To Objective, Scientific Standard
> 
> Oct 22, 2018
> 
> WASHINGTON, D.C.—The "anti-science" and "anti-facts" Trump administration is 
> considering reverting the definition of gender to a biological, objective, 
> scientific standard, drawing the ire of the "pro-science" left.
> 
> Critics have long claimed Trump is opposed to science, and they believe his 
> decision to use scientific standards to define gender prove his anti-science 
> stance.

Well, this statement isn't quite true.  The correct statement is
that the Administration's position on science is that it depends
on if it supports or opposes their political interests.  And even
then, it still is likely to be bent, not applied with total 
impartiality.

 
> "Trump ...

blah, blah, blah.

In any event, the science on this subject is that the Administration
is factually wrong to claim that sex is immutable.  Case in point,
there's  sequential hermaphroditism as well as intersex as examples
that have been proven to exist beyond merely "male" and "female".

For more science, see:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_change>

And FWIW, these sorts of conditions have existed in humans for 
millennia, even though the public was not sufficiently well enough
educated to understand this.  To a large degree, those individuals
who had these non-mainstream conditions simply hid them, else 
they were murdered, etc.  Of course, we could have also said the 
same thing until just recently about White Arian Nazi's too...


-hh

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#473212

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-10-23 14:40 -0700
Message-ID<g39iq4FmhupU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#473210
On 10/23/18 2:30 PM, -hh wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 2:28:07 PM UTC-4, RonB wrote:
>> ...
>>
>> ~~
>> 'Anti-Science' Trump Administration To Revert Definition Of Gender
>> To Objective, Scientific Standard
>>
>> Oct 22, 2018
>>
>> WASHINGTON, D.C.—The "anti-science" and "anti-facts" Trump administration is
>> considering reverting the definition of gender to a biological, objective,
>> scientific standard, drawing the ire of the "pro-science" left.
>>
>> Critics have long claimed Trump is opposed to science, and they believe his
>> decision to use scientific standards to define gender prove his anti-science
>> stance.
> 
> Well, this statement isn't quite true.  The correct statement is
> that the Administration's position on science is that it depends
> on if it supports or opposes their political interests.  And even
> then, it still is likely to be bent, not applied with total
> impartiality.

Yup. We see SOME of this on the liberal side... some of the fear over 
GMOs for example (when the focus should be on the horrid politics that 
surround them) but the conservative side denies even basic things like 
man-made global climate change... just to push their socialism for / 
worship of the rich. It is sickening.

>> "Trump ...
> 
> blah, blah, blah.
> 
> In any event, the science on this subject is that the Administration
> is factually wrong to claim that sex is immutable.  Case in point,
> there's  sequential hermaphroditism as well as intersex as examples
> that have been proven to exist beyond merely "male" and "female".

Gender is societal... and it has been seen as non-binary as far back as 
our records go. Those "conservatives" who want things "as they have 
been" want things to fit their own bigoted "ideals".

> For more science, see:
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_change>
> 
> And FWIW, these sorts of conditions have existed in humans for
> millennia, even though the public was not sufficiently well enough
> educated to understand this.  To a large degree, those individuals
> who had these non-mainstream conditions simply hid them, else
> they were murdered, etc.  Of course, we could have also said the
> same thing until just recently about White Arian Nazi's too...
> 
> 
> -hh
> 


-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#473214

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-23 15:07 -0700
Message-ID<26c354f1-bce4-4f7a-a374-297d75e98240@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473212
On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 2:40:24 PM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> On 10/23/18 2:30 PM, -hh wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 2:28:07 PM UTC-4, RonB wrote:
> >> ...
> >>
> >> ~~
> >> 'Anti-Science' Trump Administration To Revert Definition Of Gender
> >> To Objective, Scientific Standard
> >>
> >> Oct 22, 2018
> >>
> >> WASHINGTON, D.C.—The "anti-science" and "anti-facts" Trump administration is
> >> considering reverting the definition of gender to a biological, objective,
> >> scientific standard, drawing the ire of the "pro-science" left.
> >>
> >> Critics have long claimed Trump is opposed to science, and they believe his
> >> decision to use scientific standards to define gender prove his anti-science
> >> stance.
> > 
> > Well, this statement isn't quite true.  The correct statement is
> > that the Administration's position on science is that it depends
> > on if it supports or opposes their political interests.  And even
> > then, it still is likely to be bent, not applied with total
> > impartiality.
> 
> Yup. We see SOME of this on the liberal side... some of the fear over 
> GMOs for example (when the focus should be on the horrid politics that 
> surround them) but the conservative side denies even basic things like 
> man-made global climate change... just to push their socialism for / 
> worship of the rich. It is sickening.
> 
> >> "Trump ...
> > 
> > blah, blah, blah.
> > 
> > In any event, the science on this subject is that the Administration
> > is factually wrong to claim that sex is immutable.  Case in point,
> > there's  sequential hermaphroditism as well as intersex as examples
> > that have been proven to exist beyond merely "male" and "female".
> 
> Gender is societal... and it has been seen as non-binary as far back as 
> our records go. Those "conservatives" who want things "as they have 
> been" want things to fit their own bigoted "ideals".
> 
> > For more science, see:
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_change>
> > 
> > And FWIW, these sorts of conditions have existed in humans for
> > millennia, even though the public was not sufficiently well enough
> > educated to understand this.  To a large degree, those individuals
> > who had these non-mainstream conditions simply hid them, else
> > they were murdered, etc.  Of course, we could have also said the
> > same thing until just recently about White Arian Nazi's too...
> > 
> > 
> > -hh
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
> cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
> somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
> 
> They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
> 
> <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>



Those who know my posts knows it's not generated in the way Jeff Relf is implying, and most of them are simply manually written. 

Most Linux users in this group do application development either as a necessity or as a profession, so I think it unlikely anyone here consider writing macros to be "voodoo". I believe we have different views completely. 

I'm getting a lot of killed files. I'm guessing the pea-brained troll is unable to control his own actions. My killfiles have him/her/it completely shut out. 

Snit 'Super Troll' Glasser claims to be the ChromeOS guru, let us see him put up a variant minus the sorting constructs.It's an endless story, and Snit 'Super Troll' Glasser is simultaneously an expert bullshitter of trolling remarks, while posting with socks with a myriad of tells. No one here has ever read my program, much less found a bug; still, in my subconscious, I'm thinking, "Jeff Relf could do this better", but nobody knows that. 



--
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#473213

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-23 14:51 -0700
Message-ID<7f28bbc5-4582-4962-b64f-9b84dad1b527@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473210
On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 2:30:53 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 2:28:07 PM UTC-4, RonB wrote:
> > ...
> > 
> > ~~
> > 'Anti-Science' Trump Administration To Revert Definition Of Gender 
> > To Objective, Scientific Standard
> > 
> > Oct 22, 2018
> > 
> > WASHINGTON, D.C.—The "anti-science" and "anti-facts" Trump administration is 
> > considering reverting the definition of gender to a biological, objective, 
> > scientific standard, drawing the ire of the "pro-science" left.
> > 
> > Critics have long claimed Trump is opposed to science, and they believe his 
> > decision to use scientific standards to define gender prove his anti-science 
> > stance.
> 
> Well, this statement isn't quite true.  The correct statement is
> that the Administration's position on science is that it depends
> on if it supports or opposes their political interests.  And even
> then, it still is likely to be bent, not applied with total 
> impartiality.
> 
>  
> > "Trump ...
> 
> blah, blah, blah.
> 
> In any event, the science on this subject is that the Administration
> is factually wrong to claim that sex is immutable.  Case in point,
> there's  sequential hermaphroditism as well as intersex as examples
> that have been proven to exist beyond merely "male" and "female".
> 
> For more science, see:
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_change>
> 
> And FWIW, these sorts of conditions have existed in humans for 
> millennia, even though the public was not sufficiently well enough
> educated to understand this.  To a large degree, those individuals
> who had these non-mainstream conditions simply hid them, else 
> they were murdered, etc.  Of course, we could have also said the 
> same thing until just recently about White Arian Nazi's too...
> 
> 
> -hh



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One thing that I have never seen spoofed is the Google acct. number so perhaps you can use it as a filtering criteria, too. Here's mine:

posting-account=qzPusQoAAADVdKNEKE-jqIVbecHp7oZ7 

My gmail posts go back to 2009 (that I've seen, crackhead's forgeries using gmail only go back to 2012). Notice the posting acct. number on this response matches this post from 2009:

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#473232

FromSilverSlimer <silver@slim.er>
Date2018-10-23 19:57 -0400
Message-ID<tzOzD.712731$tK2.394659@fx42.iad>
In reply to#473190
On 2018-10-23 2:28 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2018-10-23, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> SilverSlimer wrote:
>>
>>> To be fair to chrisv, you're clearly a troll and he has no patient for
>>> that. On the other hand, we can't expect any kind of objectivity from
>>> the guy. His behaviour on the newsgroup, over the years, has made it
>>> clear that he's an unapologetic leftist who intentionally closes his
>>> eyes and ears to reality.
>>
>> Right-wing propaganda is not the reality.
> 
> Neither is left-wing propaganda.
> 
> Satire ...
> 
> ~~
> 'Anti-Science' Trump Administration To Revert Definition Of Gender To
> Objective, Scientific Standard
> 
> Oct 22, 2018
> 
> WASHINGTON, D.C.—The "anti-science" and "anti-facts" Trump administration is
> considering reverting the definition of gender to a biological, objective,
> scientific standard, drawing the ire of the "pro-science" left.
> 
> Critics have long claimed Trump is opposed to science, and they believe his
> decision to use scientific standards to define gender prove his anti-science
> stance.
> 
> "Trump obviously can't stand scientific facts, and that's why he's hatefully
> changing the definition of gender to a biological, objective standard," said
> one MSNBC host. "The true lover of science knows that gender is a nebulous,
> imaginary concept that you can change based on your feelings." The hosts of
> the program then chanted "Love trumps hate!" for a full 45 minutes before
> the show ended.
> 
> Congressional Democrats held a press conference shortly after the news of
> the reversion to anti-science scientific standards. "This is
> unconscionable," said Nancy Pelosi. "These scientific standards will set us
> back thousands of years—or at least a few years, to when we changed the
> definition of gender in the first place." Congressional Democrats then
> chanted "Love trumps hate!" for a full 45 minutes before the press
> conference ended.
> 
> At publishing time, critics had further claimed that many in the Trump
> administration are demonstrably opposed to science based on their insistence
> on defining a fetus as a biological human being.
> ~~
> https://tinyurl.com/y8ey24cz
> 
> It's not the Onion, but what the heck.

I don't see how the traditional idea of man and woman is too confusing 
for the left but we're all supposed to believe that Wendy who likes to 
dress up as a fish is a part of an entirely new gender.


-- 
SilverSlimer

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#473244

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-10-23 18:01 -0700
Message-ID<g39ujdFoojnU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#473232
On 10/23/18 4:57 PM, SilverSlimer wrote:
> On 2018-10-23 2:28 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2018-10-23, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> SilverSlimer wrote:
>>>
>>>> To be fair to chrisv, you're clearly a troll and he has no patient for
>>>> that. On the other hand, we can't expect any kind of objectivity from
>>>> the guy. His behaviour on the newsgroup, over the years, has made it
>>>> clear that he's an unapologetic leftist who intentionally closes his
>>>> eyes and ears to reality.
>>>
>>> Right-wing propaganda is not the reality.
>>
>> Neither is left-wing propaganda.
>>
>> Satire ...
>>
>> ~~
>> 'Anti-Science' Trump Administration To Revert Definition Of Gender To
>> Objective, Scientific Standard
>>
>> Oct 22, 2018
>>
>> WASHINGTON, D.C.—The "anti-science" and "anti-facts" Trump 
>> administration is
>> considering reverting the definition of gender to a biological, 
>> objective,
>> scientific standard, drawing the ire of the "pro-science" left.
>>
>> Critics have long claimed Trump is opposed to science, and they 
>> believe his
>> decision to use scientific standards to define gender prove his 
>> anti-science
>> stance.
>>
>> "Trump obviously can't stand scientific facts, and that's why he's 
>> hatefully
>> changing the definition of gender to a biological, objective 
>> standard," said
>> one MSNBC host. "The true lover of science knows that gender is a 
>> nebulous,
>> imaginary concept that you can change based on your feelings." The 
>> hosts of
>> the program then chanted "Love trumps hate!" for a full 45 minutes before
>> the show ended.
>>
>> Congressional Democrats held a press conference shortly after the news of
>> the reversion to anti-science scientific standards. "This is
>> unconscionable," said Nancy Pelosi. "These scientific standards will 
>> set us
>> back thousands of years—or at least a few years, to when we changed the
>> definition of gender in the first place." Congressional Democrats then
>> chanted "Love trumps hate!" for a full 45 minutes before the press
>> conference ended.
>>
>> At publishing time, critics had further claimed that many in the Trump
>> administration are demonstrably opposed to science based on their 
>> insistence
>> on defining a fetus as a biological human being.
>> ~~
>> https://tinyurl.com/y8ey24cz
>>
>> It's not the Onion, but what the heck.
> 
> I don't see how the traditional idea of man and woman is too confusing 
> for the left

You assume others are confused when you fail to understand non-binary 
systems. YOU are the one who is confused. And you call it "traditional" 
even though throughout history people have had non-binary gender 
distinctions.

> but we're all supposed to believe that Wendy who likes to 
> dress up as a fish is a part of an entirely new gender.

Wow... you think how one DRESSES is a part of ones gender definition (as 
opposed to being a possible sign of gender EXPRESSION, and then you 
think dressing as a FISH is a common gender expression). You are deeply, 
deeply confused.





-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#473228

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-10-23 16:32 -0700
Message-ID<g39pbjFnqjiU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#473168
On 10/23/18 7:57 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
> On 2018-10-23 10:07 a.m., proletariat wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 08:23:18 -0500, chrisv wrote:
>>
>>> proletariat wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's a rather fitting
>>>
>>> *plonk*
>>
>> And another Stallman worshiper surfaces like a pile of shit in a toilet
>> bowl floating to the surface.
> 
> To be fair to chrisv, you're clearly a troll and he has no patient for 
> that. On the other hand, we can't expect any kind of objectivity from 
> the guy. His behaviour on the newsgroup, over the years, has made it 
> clear that he's an unapologetic leftist who intentionally closes his 
> eyes and ears to reality.
> 

You are an unapologetic bigot who has no room for pointing fingers.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#473188

FromRonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-23 18:20 +0000
Message-ID<pqnoop$pca$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#473156
On 2018-10-23, proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> wrote:
> On 22 Oct 2018 22:44:00 GMT, F. Russell wrote:
>
>> There are lots of people on this NG, degenerate assholes
>> all, that attempt to denigrate GNU/Linux by labeling it
>> as "hobbyware."
>
> Many people prefer to call Linux "crapware".
> It's a rather fitting description.

You've confused yourself, what you meant to write is ...

Many prefer to call WINDOWS "crapware." It's a precise definition for the 
Malware Magnet OS.

You can thank me for cleaning up your mess. In the future, however, you 
probably should stick with things you know and understand, like Ding Dongs 
and Yahoo soda.

-- 
The more I see of Windows, the more I like Linux.

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