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| Started by | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2025-02-21 21:48 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-02-22 15:55 -0600 |
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Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-21 21:48 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-02-21 17:34 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-21 23:44 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-02-21 19:36 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-02-21 21:30 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-22 05:36 -0600
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 06:41 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 23:10 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 19:16 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-21 22:02 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-22 05:46 -0600
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 11:33 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-02-22 17:23 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 15:58 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-02-22 21:22 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-22 21:30 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 16:46 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-02-23 13:31 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-23 14:29 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-02-23 20:44 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-23 15:47 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-02-23 20:54 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-23 17:05 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-02-23 22:23 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-24 08:55 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-24 10:26 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-24 11:20 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-24 11:31 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-24 12:06 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-24 19:13 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-24 20:46 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 13:51 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-24 14:33 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 13:47 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-25 12:19 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 08:04 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-26 13:05 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-27 12:01 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-28 01:46 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-28 07:52 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-28 07:59 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-28 08:11 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-28 20:24 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-28 07:49 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-28 08:38 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 13:39 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-25 12:17 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 08:01 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-26 08:56 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-27 03:16 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-27 12:03 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-24 20:15 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-02-24 21:12 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-24 16:26 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-02-24 21:33 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-25 01:32 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-24 21:04 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-25 02:14 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-25 02:18 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-24 22:18 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-24 22:17 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-25 10:10 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-25 05:26 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-25 15:08 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-24 20:55 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 02:10 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 14:08 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-25 09:12 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 07:55 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-26 08:55 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-27 02:52 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-27 12:15 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-28 07:58 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-28 08:12 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-28 08:42 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-28 19:02 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-28 18:16 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-01 03:49 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-01 04:55 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-03-01 00:43 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-01 00:46 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-03-01 12:56 -0600
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-01 08:44 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-01 20:59 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-01 16:16 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-03-01 22:52 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-01 18:00 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-03-02 09:56 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-02 08:26 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-03-02 13:57 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-02 10:03 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-03-02 16:05 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-02 12:13 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-03-02 20:20 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-02 21:13 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-03-07 20:39 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-08 01:49 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 07:05 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-03 07:11 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-03 08:28 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-04 09:16 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-03 09:01 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-04 09:19 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-04 08:21 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-04 21:16 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-03 11:36 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-02 21:38 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-03-07 20:28 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 06:18 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-03 07:06 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-02 02:12 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-02 03:12 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-02 17:31 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-02 02:49 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-03-01 22:49 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-03-02 10:39 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-02 21:35 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-02 21:19 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-03 04:29 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-03 08:50 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-03-09 15:18 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 20:41 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-10 09:16 -0400
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 06:16 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 05:21 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-03 08:51 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-05 06:47 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-05 07:05 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-25 05:17 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 03:24 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Rudy Canoza <rudy@phil.hendrie.con> - 2025-02-26 11:36 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Sharx335 <sharx35@telus.net> - 2025-02-26 11:27 -0700
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Rudy Canoza <rudy@phil.hendrie.con> - 2025-02-26 14:10 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 14:16 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Rudy Canoza <rudy@phil.hendrie.con> - 2025-02-26 14:27 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-27 02:00 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 21:19 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Rudy Canoza <rudy@phil.hendrie.con> - 2025-02-27 02:49 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing andrew k <andrewk@gmail.com> - 2025-02-27 10:59 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-27 06:03 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-02-28 08:51 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 14:16 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-25 15:32 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-25 10:12 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 07:58 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 13:57 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 13:34 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-25 12:16 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 07:45 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-26 08:51 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-27 02:35 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-27 02:58 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-27 12:18 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-28 01:57 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-28 08:35 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-28 18:59 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-28 07:59 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-26 19:31 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-27 03:00 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-27 12:20 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-28 08:02 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-27 01:58 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-27 02:54 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-27 03:07 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-27 12:09 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-23 22:10 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-02-23 22:25 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-22 16:22 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-02-22 21:48 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-23 05:08 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-03-01 09:30 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-01 08:53 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 07:07 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-03 08:55 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-05 06:49 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-06 08:35 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-06 21:34 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-06 16:50 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-06 23:34 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-06 20:27 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-07 02:09 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-07 08:50 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-08 22:56 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-08 18:25 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-09 09:38 -0400
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 23:30 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-06 22:02 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-03-06 10:55 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-21 21:21 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-21 21:29 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-21 22:00 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-26 16:30 +1100
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 11:40 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-22 03:03 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-21 22:09 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-22 03:59 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-22 03:50 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-22 09:07 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-26 16:37 +1100
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-26 08:47 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-26 19:26 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-26 17:01 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-27 02:05 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-02-22 20:00 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-22 15:58 -0500
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-22 21:32 +0000
Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-22 15:55 -0600
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-28 08:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vprqiq$3ilgk$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #686756 |
On 2025-02-27, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > On 2/26/25 22:00, RonB wrote: >> On 2025-02-26, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2025 07:45:10 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote: >>> >>>> In 18 years my Linux machines HAVE all recognized the hardware. This >>>> simply is not an issue for me. >>> >>> I did have a problem with Lubuntu and Broadcom wifi on an old Acer >>> netbook. I used a USB wifi dongle it did recognize to get on the net and >>> download the Broadcom drivers and all was good. >>> >>> I was a little surprised. Q4OS didn't have a problem on a eeePC 700. The >>> original Linux OS couldn't handle WPA2 but the wifi itself worked. >> >> I get around the Broadcom WiFi issue by not using Broadcom. If I buy an old >> laptop with a Broadcom Wifi card, I immediately go to eBay, invest $5-$7 and >> find an Intel WiFi card for that model. But, at my (current) home, I've got >> wired Ethernet everywhere, so this is just an incidental issue for me. I >> should mention that the Mac Mini has a Broadcom chip but, apparently, it's >> common enough that Linux Mint has a good (built-in) driver for it. (It also >> has an Ethernet port, which is what I mostly when using the Mac Mini.) >> >> So I guess this part of being a long-time Linux user. You automatically >> avoid issues (like Broadcom) without even thinking about it. > > To be fair, the Broadcom chip works damn well when the proprietary > drivers are installed. I understand. One time I swapped WiFi cards between a Windows laptop and a Linux laptop. Broadcom ran as well (or maybe better) on the Windows laptop than it did on the Intel. So it was win-win situation in that case. I think if Broadcom released their driver information they would work fine on Linux. -- “Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien
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| From | pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-27 01:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vpogs8$2qkll$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #686668 |
On 2025-02-26, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2025-02-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> On 2025-02-25 8:34 a.m., RonB wrote: >>> On 2025-02-24, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>> On 2025-02-23 5:23 p.m., Adison Vohn Caterson wrote: >>>>> On 2025-02-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Linux wins because it isn't the behemoth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I knew it was just the company. >>>>>>> I don't like WalMart, but I will secretly shop there ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Linux supports my WiFi, made in China, edge technology as WiFi6 is >>>>>> evolving, same maker with WiFi7 on Windows. It's a new era. >>>>> >>>>> This openSUSE install went well, and other than screen orientation and >>>>> virtual keyboard, everything worked OOTB. >>>>> My first Linux use was SUSE 10.1, bought in a box from a store. >>>>> It was aggravating to get it running, I mostly remember having to get a >>>>> serial port modem, would not use my internal modem (I think US Robotics). >>>>> >>>>> Tried Ubuntu, Fedora in between, been 5 years since I've tried again. >>>>> >>>>> It's a computer. >>>> >>>> A lot of people, myself included, feel that their choice of operating >>>> system will make a social, political or economic difference in thehttps://www.foxnews.com/politics/meet-far-left-groups-funding-anti-doge-protests-gop-offices-across-country >>>> world. I agree with you now: it's a computer. The operating system you >>>> use should be the one which properly supports the hardware you >>>> purchased. For a lot of hardware, that will be Windows or MacOS. >>>> Sometimes, Linux does a better job on that hardware, but that is rare. >>> >>> No, it's not "rare" at all. Linux runs faster on almost all hardware. (I >>> can't speak for ARM Macs because I've never seen one.) >> >> Doing a better job is not limited to speed. A lot of people would prefer >> that their machines recognize their hardware and make proper use of it >> over raw speed. What's the point, for example, of having a very fast >> machine if the trackpad doesn't work properly, the colours are off and >> closing the lid of your laptop causes the machine to shut down? > > In 18 years my Linux machines HAVE all recognized the hardware. This simply > is not an issue for me. > > I realize that it's (obviously) not the case with you, but I think 99% of > your issues stem from nVidia and trying to run Windows games on Linux. > I've been using Linux since 1995 and I have run into some hardware issues over the years. 1. A Winmodeml US Robotics I think. Could not make it work. 2. Ancient Canon printer, winprinter I suspect. 3. Broadcom network chips. At some point, all were well documented in the various Linux fora. I was kinda bleeding edge at the time. -- pothead Why did Joe Biden pardon his family? Read below to learn the reason. The Biden Crime Family Timeline here: https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-27 02:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m2a2elF90mqU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #686708 |
On Thu, 27 Feb 2025 01:58:32 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote: > 1. A Winmodeml US Robotics I think. Could not make it work. I remember fun times trying to get linmodem to work. It didn't help that my ISP at the time was clueless about Linux and had no idea what I needed to put into the expect dialog. All they knew was it magically worked for Windows. > 2. Ancient Canon printer, winprinter I suspect. I can't remember if I ever got the Lexmark inkjet to work on Linux. It was a $25 purchase at CostCo, toss it in the trash when the cartridges ran out. Definitely a winprinter. I've always hated printers and was very pleasantly surprised when I plugged the Samsung laser printer into the Ubuntu box and it just worked. > 3. Broadcom network chips. I hit that with Lubuntu on an old netbook. Once I got onto the net with a USB wifi dongle and downloaded a driver, problem solved. I don't know what's in the Panda but Lubuntu could handle it. However afaik I've never had a Nvidia card, lean toward AMD processors, don't have a touchscreen, don't run multiple monitors. and so forth. The laptop has a fingerprint reader but it's Windows 11 with Fedora 42 for WSL.
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-27 03:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vpokte$2qu6q$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #686708 |
On 2025-02-27, pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote: > On 2025-02-26, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 2025-02-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>> On 2025-02-25 8:34 a.m., RonB wrote: >>>> On 2025-02-24, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>> On 2025-02-23 5:23 p.m., Adison Vohn Caterson wrote: >>>>>> On 2025-02-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Linux wins because it isn't the behemoth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I knew it was just the company. >>>>>>>> I don't like WalMart, but I will secretly shop there ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Linux supports my WiFi, made in China, edge technology as WiFi6 is >>>>>>> evolving, same maker with WiFi7 on Windows. It's a new era. >>>>>> >>>>>> This openSUSE install went well, and other than screen orientation and >>>>>> virtual keyboard, everything worked OOTB. >>>>>> My first Linux use was SUSE 10.1, bought in a box from a store. >>>>>> It was aggravating to get it running, I mostly remember having to get a >>>>>> serial port modem, would not use my internal modem (I think US Robotics). >>>>>> >>>>>> Tried Ubuntu, Fedora in between, been 5 years since I've tried again. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's a computer. >>>>> >>>>> A lot of people, myself included, feel that their choice of operating >>>>> system will make a social, political or economic difference in thehttps://www.foxnews.com/politics/meet-far-left-groups-funding-anti-doge-protests-gop-offices-across-country >>>>> world. I agree with you now: it's a computer. The operating system you >>>>> use should be the one which properly supports the hardware you >>>>> purchased. For a lot of hardware, that will be Windows or MacOS. >>>>> Sometimes, Linux does a better job on that hardware, but that is rare. >>>> >>>> No, it's not "rare" at all. Linux runs faster on almost all hardware. (I >>>> can't speak for ARM Macs because I've never seen one.) >>> >>> Doing a better job is not limited to speed. A lot of people would prefer >>> that their machines recognize their hardware and make proper use of it >>> over raw speed. What's the point, for example, of having a very fast >>> machine if the trackpad doesn't work properly, the colours are off and >>> closing the lid of your laptop causes the machine to shut down? >> >> In 18 years my Linux machines HAVE all recognized the hardware. This simply >> is not an issue for me. >> >> I realize that it's (obviously) not the case with you, but I think 99% of >> your issues stem from nVidia and trying to run Windows games on Linux. >> > > I've been using Linux since 1995 and I have run into some hardware issues over the years. > > 1. A Winmodeml US Robotics I think. Could not make it work. > 2. Ancient Canon printer, winprinter I suspect. > 3. Broadcom network chips. > At some point, all were well documented in the various Linux fora. > I was kinda bleeding edge at the time. I forget about Broadcom WiFi (haven't run into one in a while). In the past I did use the "get the Windows driver and use it for Linux" workaround, but even when that did work, it was "iffy" and I would just buy an Intel WiFi card used on eBay. By the time I was using Linux regularly modems were mostly a thing of the past. (Definitely so for me.) I've had good luck with printers... but I always avoided winprinters and winmodems. I didn't like the idea of being limited (and this was when I mostly used Windows, but I also was still using my Sinclair QL). -- “Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-02-27 12:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <x%0wP.1309$7AI4.904@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #686708 |
On 2/26/25 20:58, pothead wrote: > On 2025-02-26, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 2025-02-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>> On 2025-02-25 8:34 a.m., RonB wrote: >>>> On 2025-02-24, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>> On 2025-02-23 5:23 p.m., Adison Vohn Caterson wrote: >>>>>> On 2025-02-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Linux wins because it isn't the behemoth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I knew it was just the company. >>>>>>>> I don't like WalMart, but I will secretly shop there ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Linux supports my WiFi, made in China, edge technology as WiFi6 is >>>>>>> evolving, same maker with WiFi7 on Windows. It's a new era. >>>>>> >>>>>> This openSUSE install went well, and other than screen orientation and >>>>>> virtual keyboard, everything worked OOTB. >>>>>> My first Linux use was SUSE 10.1, bought in a box from a store. >>>>>> It was aggravating to get it running, I mostly remember having to get a >>>>>> serial port modem, would not use my internal modem (I think US Robotics). >>>>>> >>>>>> Tried Ubuntu, Fedora in between, been 5 years since I've tried again. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's a computer. >>>>> >>>>> A lot of people, myself included, feel that their choice of operating >>>>> system will make a social, political or economic difference in thehttps://www.foxnews.com/politics/meet-far-left-groups-funding-anti-doge-protests-gop-offices-across-country >>>>> world. I agree with you now: it's a computer. The operating system you >>>>> use should be the one which properly supports the hardware you >>>>> purchased. For a lot of hardware, that will be Windows or MacOS. >>>>> Sometimes, Linux does a better job on that hardware, but that is rare. >>>> >>>> No, it's not "rare" at all. Linux runs faster on almost all hardware. (I >>>> can't speak for ARM Macs because I've never seen one.) >>> >>> Doing a better job is not limited to speed. A lot of people would prefer >>> that their machines recognize their hardware and make proper use of it >>> over raw speed. What's the point, for example, of having a very fast >>> machine if the trackpad doesn't work properly, the colours are off and >>> closing the lid of your laptop causes the machine to shut down? >> >> In 18 years my Linux machines HAVE all recognized the hardware. This simply >> is not an issue for me. >> >> I realize that it's (obviously) not the case with you, but I think 99% of >> your issues stem from nVidia and trying to run Windows games on Linux. >> > > I've been using Linux since 1995 and I have run into some hardware issues over the years. > > 1. A Winmodeml US Robotics I think. Could not make it work. I don't believe this was supposed to work anyway. To be fair, they barely worked on Windows too. I recall that they were sold as standard on the computers we built in the computer store I worked at in 1999, but once I worked at an ISP, I had the pleasure of supporting people who couldn't connect because of this garbage. The ISP's modems were stellar, but the WinModems were complete poop and relied entirely on the CPU to do what should be done by hardware on the modem. If your driver is either old or corrupted, you're not getting Internet. Anyone who owned something made by US Robotics never had an issue. > 2. Ancient Canon printer, winprinter I suspect. Depending on when it was manufactured, the developers might not have seen the point of supporting it. I imagine that any hardware from the 1980s had trouble in Linux. > 3. Broadcom network chips. They are a problem to this day because the manufacturer refuses to make open drivers or release specifications allowing others to. I just had to tether my laptop to my iPhone to get Ubuntu to install the Broadcom drivers on this MacBook Air 2017. < snip > -- God be with you, CrudeSausage John 14:6
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-23 22:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vpg6ce$mb67$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #686499 |
On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 20:44:41 -0000 (UTC), Adison Vohn Caterson wrote: > If Russia nuked New York, they'd only kill 5 Linux users. The entire Internet runs on Linux. Like it or not, you’re one of those “Linux users” right now.
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| From | Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-23 22:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnvrn823.5sq.Adison@localhost.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #686503 |
On 2025-02-23, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 20:44:41 -0000 (UTC), Adison Vohn Caterson wrote: > >> If Russia nuked New York, they'd only kill 5 Linux users. > > The entire Internet runs on Linux. Like it or not, you’re one of those > “Linux users” right now. No way!! -- End Transmission
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-22 16:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vpdf6q$4po1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #686442 |
On Sat, 2/22/2025 12:23 PM, Adison Vohn Caterson wrote: > On 2025-02-22, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: >> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>> Joel wrote: >>>> some dumb fsck wrote: >>>>> >>>>> (snip lies) >>>> >>>> Way to miss Lawrence's point, goofball, >>> >>> Any hyperbole or unfairness from Linux advocates pales in comparison >>> to the avalanche of idiocy and lies from the haters. Documented ad >>> nauseum, in here. >> >> >> The only reason I promoted Win7 here, in the past, was because at the >> time it really did represent something new and improved in computing. >> Today, Linux is hands-down the winner. > > Linux is the winner? > At what? > > I run Linux on this Thinkpad Yoga 14 because Windows 11 won't run on it, > and Windows 10 is dead soon. So in that case Linux is better. > This laptop can be folded into a tablet, and I can tell you that under > Win 10, worked a charm. Under Linux, screen orientation doesn't work, > virtual keyboard doesn't work. I only get a virtual keyboard at the > logon screen. > > On a 15" Alienware laptop, it's had Windows 11 on it for 3+ years. > Runs great, has never blue screened, locked up, refused to do my > bidding. Some Windows updates have broken the Dell Support App and the > Alienware Command Center, but a fix usually comes from MS or Dell, or a > Revo uninstall/reinstall fixes it. I wouldn't even bother putting Linux > on the Alienware, as I doubt selecting which video card I want is an > option under Linux, and I doubt fan control would be as easy under Linux > as it is with Windows 11. > > Windows 11 is a computing tool. > Linux is a computing tool. > > The choices being available is the winner. > Thinkpad Yoga 14 $1100 Reviewed February 11, 2015 1TB hard drive with an extra 16GB of solid-state cache... <=== boo and/or hiss (until the cache fails) Core i5-4210U 2C 4T 15W 2.7GHz 4th gen Haswell HD Graphics 4400 ~WDDM 2.0 or so 8GB of RAM No mention of TPM, Secure Boot, UEFI Win11 can be installed via Rufus-prepared USB stick. In the same way my 4930K is currently running Windows 11. Got there, using a Rufus.ie web site USB stick program. Which can make a USB stick for a Linux ISO, or for a Windows ISO. Uses SysLinux boot materials to make the stick boot. If it really has a "hard drive" in it today, it would be as slow as molasses at absolute zero, at boot time. Just deleting the contents of the LCU folder (Last Cumulative Update), took me ten minutes yesterday (my 1TB hard drive setup for commiserating with HDD users). For one folder delete. You would want an SSD in place of the hard drive, to improve the situation a bit. You can get a 2.5" SSD, a Lexar, for around CDN $40 a piece. That's what I use for scratch installs here. 256GB. I noticed the slow NTFS HDD delete issue, on the Insider at first. That the delete time of NTFS, it was taking a lot longer to delete. Turning off Windows Defender didn't help. Even an SSD only helps a bit, but every little bit counts at a time like that. Paul
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| From | Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-02-22 21:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnvrkhhf.2ka.Adison@localhost.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #686453 |
On 2025-02-22, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 2/22/2025 12:23 PM, Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:
>> On 2025-02-22, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Joel wrote:
>>>>> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (snip lies)
>>>>>
>>>>> Way to miss Lawrence's point, goofball,
>>>>
>>>> Any hyperbole or unfairness from Linux advocates pales in comparison
>>>> to the avalanche of idiocy and lies from the haters. Documented ad
>>>> nauseum, in here.
>>>
>>>
>>> The only reason I promoted Win7 here, in the past, was because at the
>>> time it really did represent something new and improved in computing.
>>> Today, Linux is hands-down the winner.
>>
>> Linux is the winner?
>> At what?
>>
>> I run Linux on this Thinkpad Yoga 14 because Windows 11 won't run on it,
>> and Windows 10 is dead soon. So in that case Linux is better.
>> This laptop can be folded into a tablet, and I can tell you that under
>> Win 10, worked a charm. Under Linux, screen orientation doesn't work,
>> virtual keyboard doesn't work. I only get a virtual keyboard at the
>> logon screen.
>>
>> On a 15" Alienware laptop, it's had Windows 11 on it for 3+ years.
>> Runs great, has never blue screened, locked up, refused to do my
>> bidding. Some Windows updates have broken the Dell Support App and the
>> Alienware Command Center, but a fix usually comes from MS or Dell, or a
>> Revo uninstall/reinstall fixes it. I wouldn't even bother putting Linux
>> on the Alienware, as I doubt selecting which video card I want is an
>> option under Linux, and I doubt fan control would be as easy under Linux
>> as it is with Windows 11.
>>
>> Windows 11 is a computing tool.
>> Linux is a computing tool.
>>
>> The choices being available is the winner.
>>
>
> Thinkpad Yoga 14 $1100 Reviewed February 11, 2015
>
> 1TB hard drive with an extra 16GB of solid-state cache... <=== boo and/or hiss (until the cache fails)
>
> Core i5-4210U 2C 4T 15W 2.7GHz 4th gen Haswell
> HD Graphics 4400 ~WDDM 2.0 or so
> 8GB of RAM
> No mention of TPM, Secure Boot, UEFI
This Yoga is
CPU:
Info: dual core model: Intel Core i5-6200U bits: 64 type: MT MCP cache:
L2: 512 KiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 425 min/max: 400/2800 cores: 1: 500 2: 400 3: 400 4: 400
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel Skylake GT2 [HD Graphics 520] driver: i915 v: kernel
Device-2: NVIDIA GM108M [GeForce 940M] driver: nvidia v: 570.86.16
Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.11 with: Xwayland v: 24.1.1 driver:
X: loaded: modesetting,nvidia unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: iris gpu: i915
resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 238.47 GiB used: 9.9 GiB (4.2%)
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: LITE-ON model: LCH-256V2S size: 238.47 GiB
Info:
Processes: 186 Uptime: 0h 37m Memory: available: 7.65 GiB
used: 1.52 GiB (19.9%) Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.27
UEFI: LENOVO v: R05ET36W (1.14) date: 10/12/2015
> Win11 can be installed via Rufus-prepared USB stick. In
> the same way my 4930K is currently running Windows 11.
> Got there, using a Rufus.ie web site USB stick program.
> Which can make a USB stick for a Linux ISO, or for a Windows ISO.
> Uses SysLinux boot materials to make the stick boot.
>
> If it really has a "hard drive" in it today, it would be
> as slow as molasses at absolute zero, at boot time. Just deleting
> the contents of the LCU folder (Last Cumulative Update), took
> me ten minutes yesterday (my 1TB hard drive setup for commiserating
> with HDD users). For one folder delete. You would want an SSD in
> place of the hard drive, to improve the situation a bit.
>
> You can get a 2.5" SSD, a Lexar, for around CDN $40 a piece.
> That's what I use for scratch installs here. 256GB.
>
> I noticed the slow NTFS HDD delete issue, on the Insider at first.
> That the delete time of NTFS, it was taking a lot longer to delete.
> Turning off Windows Defender didn't help. Even an SSD only helps a bit,
> but every little bit counts at a time like that.
>
> Paul
I'm going to use the laptop to learn Linux inside out ;)
Or just learn to use it.
--
End Transmission
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-23 05:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m1voq4Fmh5fU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #686453 |
On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:22:33 -0500, Paul wrote: > Core i5-4210U 2C 4T 15W 2.7GHz 4th gen Haswell The Fedora box is a Core i5-4590 and does well. It's not a high end processor but it is 4 cores and faster than the U (mobile) series,.
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| From | Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> |
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| Date | 2025-03-01 09:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <67c2d399$0$29724$426a74cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #686387 |
Le 22-02-2025, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit : > On 2/21/2025 4:48 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > > >> Got nothing better to do over the next week? Why not spend the next >> chunk of your life on a fresh Dimdows install! > > > It's amusing that a variety of lying Linux idiots thru the years have > claimed it takes week(s) to install/configure Windows. Really? At lot of things are being told endlessly about Windows, but not that one. > Or that they work "thousands of unpaid hours" because of Windows crashes. I agree with this one. Because people without computer knowledge are using Windows, and then they have to ask someone else for help. Because Microsoft tells them to see the seller. And the seller won't do anything to help except, maybe install Windows again with the loss of all data. So they have to rely on friends and family help. Who work for free and are not that many. > Or that one Linux box does the work of 6 Windows boxes. Never heard about that one. But saying that an old computer which can't run Windows anymore can be used as a server is real. > Or that Linux is 50x faster than Windows. For the 50x, I don't know, but for the numerous computers which get a second life thanks to Linux because Windows was too slow to be used is real. I saw it a lot of time. Of course on an old computer you don't use Gnome or KDE, but light WM can be used successfully. -- Si vous avez du temps à perdre : https://scarpet42.gitlab.io
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-03-01 08:53 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ajEwP.9843$3pn5.7884@fx44.iad> |
| In reply to | #686847 |
On 2025-03-01 4:30 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: > Le 22-02-2025, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit : >> On 2/21/2025 4:48 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> >> >>> Got nothing better to do over the next week? Why not spend the next >>> chunk of your life on a fresh Dimdows install! >> >> >> It's amusing that a variety of lying Linux idiots thru the years have >> claimed it takes week(s) to install/configure Windows. > > Really? At lot of things are being told endlessly about Windows, but not > that one. It takes much longer than Linux, that's for sure. A lot of it has to do with the fact that after installing the _latest_ available ISO of Windows, you still have to spend a significant amount of time installing updates post installation. Even the installation process is longer than it needs to be, but it has improved a bit over the years. >> Or that they work "thousands of unpaid hours" because of Windows crashes. > > I agree with this one. Because people without computer knowledge are > using Windows, and then they have to ask someone else for help. Because > Microsoft tells them to see the seller. And the seller won't do anything > to help except, maybe install Windows again with the loss of all data. > So they have to rely on friends and family help. Who work for free and > are not that many. Before Microsoft decided to encrypt every installation of Windows, it was nice to know that if any of my colleagues was locked out of the operating system, I could still extract their personal data and, in the worst case scenario, reinstall without any loss. Now, you not only need a Linux live environment to get onto the SSD, but you have to hope that the user isn't so lost that he has no idea how to get into account.microsoft.com to get their Bitlocker encryption key allowing you to unlock their drive and get their data from within Linux. >> Or that one Linux box does the work of 6 Windows boxes. > > Never heard about that one. But saying that an old computer which can't > run Windows anymore can be used as a server is real. Except that not everyone needs a server in their home. >> Or that Linux is 50x faster than Windows. > > For the 50x, I don't know, but for the numerous computers which get a > second life thanks to Linux because Windows was too slow to be used is > real. I saw it a lot of time. Of course on an old computer you don't use > Gnome or KDE, but light WM can be used successfully. As I was explaining to my students yesterday, all of whom live in a poverty-stricken area of Montreal, Linux allows me to extend the life of computers marked for recycling. I used the example of the MacBook Air 2017 I use in the classroom. When I asked them how much the "new" computer cost, they gave me numbers like $2k, $1k or $3k. I then showed them that I paid $200 (including taxes and shipping) on eBay. I asked them if they were impressed with the operating system (Ubuntu) and they were. I then told them that because of the operating system, this "old" machine can do what I need for it to do in class at least until 2034 (using Ubuntu Pro), assuming its hardware doesn't die. That shocked them. I then told them that someone else's garbage can be their treasure, and Linux allows for the "equity" today's generation seems to be begging for. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage John 14:6
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-03 07:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vq3kfi$17uke$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #686860 |
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 08:53:08 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: > I then told them that someone else's garbage can be their > treasure, and Linux allows for the "equity" today's generation seems to > be begging for. What a remarkably woke thing to say.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-03-03 08:55 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <xxixP.60075$Xq5f.22596@fx38.iad> |
| In reply to | #687000 |
On 2025-03-03 2:07 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 08:53:08 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> I then told them that someone else's garbage can be their >> treasure, and Linux allows for the "equity" today's generation seems to >> be begging for. > > What a remarkably woke thing to say. Not really. Woke would be to ensure that everyone has the same computer today, regardless of whether they have the means to buy something better or not. In other words, both the rich and the poor would be running something like today's equivalent of a Commodore 64 with no option to increase RAM or add accessories. What I'm telling that is that despite their obvious financial disadvantage, there is a possibility for them to achieve a comparable experience to that of those who can afford newer, more capable machines. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage John 14:6
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-05 06:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vq8s6f$2a88v$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #687014 |
On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 08:55:40 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 2025-03-03 2:07 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 08:53:08 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> I then told them that someone else's garbage can be their treasure, >>> and Linux allows for the "equity" today's generation seems to be >>> begging for. >> >> What a remarkably woke thing to say. > > Not really. Woke would be to ensure that everyone has the same computer > today, regardless of whether they have the means to buy something better > or not. In other words, both the rich and the poor would be running > something like today's equivalent of a Commodore 64 with no option to > increase RAM or add accessories. So a Commodore 64 is “woke”, but, say, an Apple Iphone is not?
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-03-06 08:35 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <3xhyP.334524$2zn8.149692@fx15.iad> |
| In reply to | #687082 |
On 2025-03-05 1:49 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 08:55:40 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> On 2025-03-03 2:07 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 08:53:08 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> >>>> I then told them that someone else's garbage can be their treasure, >>>> and Linux allows for the "equity" today's generation seems to be >>>> begging for. >>> >>> What a remarkably woke thing to say. >> >> Not really. Woke would be to ensure that everyone has the same computer >> today, regardless of whether they have the means to buy something better >> or not. In other words, both the rich and the poor would be running >> something like today's equivalent of a Commodore 64 with no option to >> increase RAM or add accessories. > > So a Commodore 64 is “woke”, but, say, an Apple Iphone is not? I didn't say that the Commodore 64 was woke; I was pointing out that woke equity would force everyone to have the same computer regardless of what their needs are and what their financial situation is. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage John 14:6
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-06 21:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vqd4cj$35294$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #687107 |
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 08:35:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 2025-03-05 1:49 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 08:55:40 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> Woke would be to ensure that everyone has the same >>> computer today, regardless of whether they have the means to buy >>> something better or not. In other words, both the rich and the poor >>> would be running something like today's equivalent of a Commodore 64 >>> with no option to increase RAM or add accessories. >> >> So a Commodore 64 is “woke”, but, say, an Apple Iphone is not? > > I didn't say that the Commodore 64 was woke ... But you did use it as an example of wokeness. Would an Apple Iphone be something that non-woke people might use? (Presumably by choice.)
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-03-06 16:50 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mMoyP.182294$FVcd.52938@fx10.iad> |
| In reply to | #687117 |
On 2025-03-06 4:34 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 08:35:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> On 2025-03-05 1:49 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 08:55:40 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> >>>> Woke would be to ensure that everyone has the same >>>> computer today, regardless of whether they have the means to buy >>>> something better or not. In other words, both the rich and the poor >>>> would be running something like today's equivalent of a Commodore 64 >>>> with no option to increase RAM or add accessories. >>> >>> So a Commodore 64 is “woke”, but, say, an Apple Iphone is not? >> >> I didn't say that the Commodore 64 was woke ... > > But you did use it as an example of wokeness. > > Would an Apple Iphone be something that non-woke people might use? > (Presumably by choice.) The point here, again, is that the proponents of equity would force us all to have the same device. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage John 14:6
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-06 23:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vqdbd9$36cdn$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #687120 |
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 16:50:04 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 2025-03-06 4:34 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 08:35:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> On 2025-03-05 1:49 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 08:55:40 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>> >>>>> Woke would be to ensure that everyone has the same >>>>> computer today, regardless of whether they have the means to buy >>>>> something better or not. In other words, both the rich and the poor >>>>> would be running something like today's equivalent of a Commodore 64 >>>>> with no option to increase RAM or add accessories. >>>> >>>> So a Commodore 64 is “woke”, but, say, an Apple Iphone is not? >>> >>> I didn't say that the Commodore 64 was woke ... >> >> But you did use it as an example of wokeness. >> >> Would an Apple Iphone be something that non-woke people might use? >> (Presumably by choice.) > > The point here, again, is that the proponents of equity would force us > all to have the same device. But why a Commodore 64 rather than an Apple Iphone?
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-03-06 20:27 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <BYryP.423376$TBhc.83748@fx16.iad> |
| In reply to | #687128 |
On 2025-03-06 6:34 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 16:50:04 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> On 2025-03-06 4:34 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 08:35:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> >>>> On 2025-03-05 1:49 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 08:55:40 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Woke would be to ensure that everyone has the same >>>>>> computer today, regardless of whether they have the means to buy >>>>>> something better or not. In other words, both the rich and the poor >>>>>> would be running something like today's equivalent of a Commodore 64 >>>>>> with no option to increase RAM or add accessories. >>>>> >>>>> So a Commodore 64 is “woke”, but, say, an Apple Iphone is not? >>>> >>>> I didn't say that the Commodore 64 was woke ... >>> >>> But you did use it as an example of wokeness. >>> >>> Would an Apple Iphone be something that non-woke people might use? >>> (Presumably by choice.) >> >> The point here, again, is that the proponents of equity would force us >> all to have the same device. > > But why a Commodore 64 rather than an Apple Iphone? Because my hatred of Apple is not as potent as yours. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage John 14:6
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