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| Started by | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| First post | 2025-04-23 09:11 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-04-25 01:27 +0000 |
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Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-23 09:11 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-24 12:43 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-24 09:07 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-25 01:25 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-25 05:12 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-26 02:53 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-04-25 19:27 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-25 15:38 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-26 00:42 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-24 13:31 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-24 09:47 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-25 01:28 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-25 12:06 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-25 23:16 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-26 00:50 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-26 01:21 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-26 03:03 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-26 07:34 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-26 08:04 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-26 03:00 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-26 10:09 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-26 05:53 -0500
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-26 11:02 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-26 23:00 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-27 07:24 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-27 08:50 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-28 12:41 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:50 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-29 13:52 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-27 06:35 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-27 07:18 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-27 08:45 -0500
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-28 11:44 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-28 17:05 -0500
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-28 17:11 -0500
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:51 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-29 09:02 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-29 14:08 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-29 11:07 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-30 10:24 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-30 09:13 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-01 14:15 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 14:42 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-02 15:03 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 20:33 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-05-03 08:18 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 21:34 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 18:43 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 00:17 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 21:47 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 07:43 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 09:13 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 20:16 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-05-02 20:47 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 19:31 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-03 00:13 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 22:16 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-03 10:50 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-03 09:31 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-04 09:51 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 08:23 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-04 13:38 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 18:00 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-05 11:03 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-05 08:40 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-05-04 14:40 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-05-04 11:52 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 20:05 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 04:50 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-05-05 18:50 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 14:55 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 04:29 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-02 15:20 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 11:28 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-03 00:11 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 20:15 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-03 01:02 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 22:24 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-03 10:56 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-05-03 08:29 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-03 10:39 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-04 10:04 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 08:24 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 20:10 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 04:48 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-05 08:36 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 17:06 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-05 14:04 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 18:59 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-05 15:24 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 02:21 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-06 11:00 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 20:58 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-06 19:43 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 00:29 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-08 03:28 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-08 10:02 -0400
Linux again (was: Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-07 04:18 +0000
Re: Linux again (was: Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome) Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 00:56 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 07:13 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 08:04 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 20:43 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 06:54 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-05-07 17:30 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-05-08 07:06 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 06:53 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 06:42 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-06 11:02 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 19:36 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 04:02 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-03 08:16 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 21:23 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-03 19:45 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 02:06 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 07:37 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 18:17 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-01 14:03 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 13:52 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:49 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-26 22:57 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-27 07:33 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-27 08:51 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-28 12:02 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:47 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-04-27 09:12 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-28 01:15 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-28 11:51 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-28 08:37 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:48 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-27 08:49 -0500
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-28 11:45 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-27 06:33 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-27 07:31 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-27 08:53 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-27 08:51 -0500
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 07:33 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-28 08:45 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-28 17:42 -0500
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-28 18:51 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-29 02:26 +0000
Re: Evolution (was Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:54 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-28 12:33 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:56 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-29 13:59 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-10 01:06 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 07:27 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-28 12:14 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:53 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-29 14:01 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-10 01:05 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-26 08:15 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-26 23:03 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-27 06:46 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-27 07:41 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-27 14:30 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 02:51 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-28 08:33 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-27 06:45 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-27 08:15 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 07:35 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-27 14:41 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 07:42 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-28 11:40 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 12:25 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-28 08:49 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 18:03 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 20:01 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-28 16:47 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-29 06:15 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-29 09:23 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-29 14:21 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-29 11:24 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-29 21:11 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-29 17:33 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-29 22:14 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-29 19:37 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 00:25 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-30 00:30 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-29 18:22 -0700
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-30 01:39 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-30 08:53 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-01 13:54 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 13:28 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 00:09 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 21:45 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-02 15:31 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 11:41 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-30 10:15 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-30 09:07 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-29 21:03 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 22:56 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 19:48 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-30 10:13 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 22:51 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 03:49 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 22:49 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 19:45 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-03 05:27 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-03 08:18 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 06:58 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 08:14 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 04:41 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-30 10:11 +0000
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 08:04 +0000 |
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On Tue, 6 May 2025 07:13:40 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote: > I never read any of Terry Pratchett's stuff (didn't even know he was > English) but I've heard of him. He wrote a lot. There were 4 books in the Discworld setting and he also collaborated with Gaiman on 'Good Omens' and a couple of other authors. There was a lot of satire and puns that were easy to miss. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Hero That one isn't typical in that it is illustrated. Cohen the Barbarian and his crew of geriatric cohorts decide to return the fire stolen from the gods.
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 20:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn101kt3b.2ogq.ronb02NOSPAM@3020m.home> |
| In reply to | #690014 |
On 2025-05-06, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Tue, 6 May 2025 07:13:40 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote: > >> I never read any of Terry Pratchett's stuff (didn't even know he was >> English) but I've heard of him. > > He wrote a lot. There were 4 books in the Discworld setting and he also > collaborated with Gaiman on 'Good Omens' and a couple of other authors. > There was a lot of satire and puns that were easy to miss. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Hero > > That one isn't typical in that it is illustrated. Cohen the Barbarian and > his crew of geriatric cohorts decide to return the fire stolen from the > gods. Sounds like it might be a little like the Piers Anthony Xanth series. I read several of those when I much younger. -- Jesus sat with sinners: He didn't sin with them. Know the difference.
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 06:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn101jchg.1rij.ronb02NOSPAM@3020m.home> |
| In reply to | #690002 |
On 2025-05-05, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > On 2025-05-05 13:06, rbowman wrote: >> On Mon, 5 May 2025 08:36:03 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> The text games required a level of patience most people don't have >>> nowadays. They also more or less demanded that you create maps, take >>> notes and so on. My nerd cousin could do it, but no one else was willing >>> to. >> >> I didn't have the patience back in the day either. I remember one based on >> 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy'. I didn't care that much for the >> book and I never got further than a bulldozer driving through Ford >> Prefect's house or something like that. > > I wasn't a big fan of the book either and thought the movie was awful. > The TV show seemed to be okay from the limited exposure I got to it. > Either way, you were at the very beginning of the story. I only checked > out the story because I was told that it was science fiction genius, but > I guess it was a very different time when that applied. I, personally, liked the books (mostly) but the movie was absolute crap. >> https://www.myabandonware.com/game/the-hitchhiker-s-guide-to-the- >> galaxy-42#download >> >> I think I had a low rent version of Zork on CP/M and never got far in that >> one either. > > I don't think I've ever even played Zork. I played all sorts of other > text adventures, but they were never my thing. I never played it very well. But I did try it. -- Jesus sat with sinners: He didn't sin with them. Know the difference.
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| From | candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-07 17:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn101n5si.11pdj.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid> |
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CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote at 18:04 this Monday (GMT): > On 2025-05-05 13:06, rbowman wrote: >> On Mon, 5 May 2025 08:36:03 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> The text games required a level of patience most people don't have >>> nowadays. They also more or less demanded that you create maps, take >>> notes and so on. My nerd cousin could do it, but no one else was willing >>> to. >> >> I didn't have the patience back in the day either. I remember one based on >> 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy'. I didn't care that much for the >> book and I never got further than a bulldozer driving through Ford >> Prefect's house or something like that. > > I wasn't a big fan of the book either and thought the movie was awful. > The TV show seemed to be okay from the limited exposure I got to it. > Either way, you were at the very beginning of the story. I only checked > out the story because I was told that it was science fiction genius, but > I guess it was a very different time when that applied. [snip] Hitchhikers guide is one of my favorite books! -- user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2025-05-08 07:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vvi36o$1n3dv$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #690050 |
candycanearter07 wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: > CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote at 18:04 this Monday (GMT): >> On 2025-05-05 13:06, rbowman wrote: >>> On Mon, 5 May 2025 08:36:03 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> >>>> The text games required a level of patience most people don't have >>>> nowadays. They also more or less demanded that you create maps, take >>>> notes and so on. My nerd cousin could do it, but no one else was willing >>>> to. >>> >>> I didn't have the patience back in the day either. I remember one based on >>> 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy'. I didn't care that much for the >>> book and I never got further than a bulldozer driving through Ford >>> Prefect's house or something like that. >> >> I wasn't a big fan of the book either and thought the movie was awful. >> The TV show seemed to be okay from the limited exposure I got to it. >> Either way, you were at the very beginning of the story. I only checked >> out the story because I was told that it was science fiction genius, but >> I guess it was a very different time when that applied. > [snip] > > Hitchhikers guide is one of my favorite books! I tried reading it, but found it too twee and stopped after a few pages. -- Imagination is more important than knowledge. -- Albert Einstein
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 06:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn101jcee.1rij.ronb02NOSPAM@3020m.home> |
| In reply to | #690001 |
On 2025-05-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Mon, 5 May 2025 08:36:03 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> The text games required a level of patience most people don't have >> nowadays. They also more or less demanded that you create maps, take >> notes and so on. My nerd cousin could do it, but no one else was willing >> to. > > I didn't have the patience back in the day either. I remember one based on > 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy'. I didn't care that much for the > book and I never got further than a bulldozer driving through Ford > Prefect's house or something like that. Some of the stuff in those books was really funny. I read them all (and the Dirk Gently series as well). But there were a lot of dry (boring) passages in these books also. I found out later it was because it was originally a series of radio broadcasts and Douglas Adams was supposed to fill in the connection between the different broadcasts to make the novels. He tended to procrastinate and then quick (pretty dry) writing. Overall, however, I enjoyed reading these books, especially the first one. > https://www.myabandonware.com/game/the-hitchhiker-s-guide-to-the- > galaxy-42#download I tried that one also. I managed to get to the Vogon ship and that was about it. > I think I had a low rent version of Zork on CP/M and never got far in that > one either. I think I first tried Zork on a DEC Rainbow 100, which had two CPUs and ran two OSes, CP/M and some kind of MS-DOS that wasn't completely compatible with most MS-DOS applications (if I remember right). I only had that computer for a few months, but enjoyed playing around with it for a while. I think the Zork game was on the CP/M side, but I can't remember for sure. -- Jesus sat with sinners: He didn't sin with them. Know the difference.
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 06:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn101jbpf.1rij.ronb02NOSPAM@3020m.home> |
| In reply to | #689997 |
On 2025-05-05, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > On 2025-05-05 00:48, RonB wrote: >> On 2025-05-04, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> On 2025-05-03, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>> On 2025-05-03 06:56, Borax Man wrote: >>>> >>>> < snipped for brevity > >>>> >>>>>> For someone with very basic needs, there is absolutely no reason why >>>>>> Linux wouldn't be better than MacOS. Browsers boot up faster, as do the >>>>>> photo viewing and management programs. Additionally, you can update it >>>>>> for as long as you wish to keep the hardware, it only gets discarded >>>>>> when it becomes irreparable or a chore to use. The thought that one >>>>>> would have to get rid of their machine because a company like Microsoft >>>>>> or Apple is no longer willing to supply updates, preventing users from >>>>>> even using a browser is just ridiculous. Heck, it's inhumane. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That was exactly our rationale. $2000 for Apple, or about $600 for a >>>>> decent refurbished Thinkpad, to do the EXACT SAME THING. It was a >>>>> no-brainer really. >>>>> >>>>> And yes, the "on site tech support" is a feature, and does matter. She >>>>> wanted to play "Carmen San Deigo", on the laptop, knowing how the system >>>>> worked, it was easy for me to install DosBox and set up a script which >>>>> went straight into the game from an icon. The "How do I" question gets >>>>> an answer. >>>> >>>> Playing DOS games is incredibly easy in Linux considering how many tools >>>> they make available for that. Heck, even playing Windows games is easy. >>>> Even if they were purchased on a service like GOG, you can use Heroic >>>> Games Launcher to log in and play there. Right now, it has a minimal >>>> audio issue, but you can use the "add automatically to Steam" feature to >>>> load the game through the latter where no issues exist. As for my own >>>> needs with laptop, they haven't changed since 2015. I still rip DVDs and >>>> Blu-Rays and I still use the same software that is available in Linux. >>>> The 2021 computer does it faster than the 2015 machine, but it still >>>> results in the same thing. It wasn't that slow on the 2015 machine >>>> anyway. Using an old computer for my needs would be just fine. >>>> >>>>>> I actually counted the cost of computers for a typical user. If you >>>>>> bought a machine in 2020 for $2,000 and used it until 2025, you would >>>>>> have essentially paid $400 a year for hardware that does exactly the >>>>>> same thing you were doing twenty years earlier, except faster. Perhaps >>>>>> that $400 number doesn't affect others, but I find that it's a high >>>>>> price to pay for the luxury of browsing and sending a few e-mails. At >>>>>> some point, it only makes sense to reject the idea that a new machine >>>>>> needs to be purchased so often. Heck, five years is conservative; a lot >>>>>> of people replace them a lot earlier than that. That's just how long I >>>>>> usually keep my hardware. I'm going to try to go for a decade this time. >>>>> >>>>> If you don't play games or do video editing, you could get easily 5 >>>>> years out of a computer these days. Now with phones, its harder, you >>>>> don't have a viable option. >>>> >>>> You could video edit with older machines too, but I guess the people >>>> doing that are incredibly impatient and will be glad to shell out >>>> another $4k on an Apple machine that saves them thirty seconds from the >>>> previous one. I'm not that kind of person. I'll just wait those thirty >>>> seconds. >>>> >>> DosBox covers most DOS games, and its generally quite good. Almost as >>> good as the real hardware. >>> >>> For windows, I have some games like Simcity 4 that work with >>> Wine/Lutris, but not so much under Windows. >>> >>> In fact, I got DOOM 2016 working under Linux, where I couldn't get >>> Windows 7 installed on it at all. >> >> I'm not a game player, but I use DOSBox-X for WordStar 7, dBase (rarely now) >> and a screenwriting program called ScriptThing for DOS. All work well. >> >> I have tried the Zork text games in DOSBox-X, but I'm not bright enough to >> get far in these. > > The text games required a level of patience most people don't have > nowadays. They also more or less demanded that you create maps, take > notes and so on. My nerd cousin could do it, but no one else was willing to. I might give them another shot. Never thought about making maps, but that makes sense. I tried to keep track of it in my head, which I'm definitely not smart enough to do. -- Jesus sat with sinners: He didn't sin with them. Know the difference.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 11:02 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <AwpSP.1575$v2h6.590@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #690010 |
On 2025-05-06 02:42, RonB wrote: > On 2025-05-05, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> On 2025-05-05 00:48, RonB wrote: >>> On 2025-05-04, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 2025-05-03, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>> On 2025-05-03 06:56, Borax Man wrote: >>>>> >>>>> < snipped for brevity > >>>>> >>>>>>> For someone with very basic needs, there is absolutely no reason why >>>>>>> Linux wouldn't be better than MacOS. Browsers boot up faster, as do the >>>>>>> photo viewing and management programs. Additionally, you can update it >>>>>>> for as long as you wish to keep the hardware, it only gets discarded >>>>>>> when it becomes irreparable or a chore to use. The thought that one >>>>>>> would have to get rid of their machine because a company like Microsoft >>>>>>> or Apple is no longer willing to supply updates, preventing users from >>>>>>> even using a browser is just ridiculous. Heck, it's inhumane. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That was exactly our rationale. $2000 for Apple, or about $600 for a >>>>>> decent refurbished Thinkpad, to do the EXACT SAME THING. It was a >>>>>> no-brainer really. >>>>>> >>>>>> And yes, the "on site tech support" is a feature, and does matter. She >>>>>> wanted to play "Carmen San Deigo", on the laptop, knowing how the system >>>>>> worked, it was easy for me to install DosBox and set up a script which >>>>>> went straight into the game from an icon. The "How do I" question gets >>>>>> an answer. >>>>> >>>>> Playing DOS games is incredibly easy in Linux considering how many tools >>>>> they make available for that. Heck, even playing Windows games is easy. >>>>> Even if they were purchased on a service like GOG, you can use Heroic >>>>> Games Launcher to log in and play there. Right now, it has a minimal >>>>> audio issue, but you can use the "add automatically to Steam" feature to >>>>> load the game through the latter where no issues exist. As for my own >>>>> needs with laptop, they haven't changed since 2015. I still rip DVDs and >>>>> Blu-Rays and I still use the same software that is available in Linux. >>>>> The 2021 computer does it faster than the 2015 machine, but it still >>>>> results in the same thing. It wasn't that slow on the 2015 machine >>>>> anyway. Using an old computer for my needs would be just fine. >>>>> >>>>>>> I actually counted the cost of computers for a typical user. If you >>>>>>> bought a machine in 2020 for $2,000 and used it until 2025, you would >>>>>>> have essentially paid $400 a year for hardware that does exactly the >>>>>>> same thing you were doing twenty years earlier, except faster. Perhaps >>>>>>> that $400 number doesn't affect others, but I find that it's a high >>>>>>> price to pay for the luxury of browsing and sending a few e-mails. At >>>>>>> some point, it only makes sense to reject the idea that a new machine >>>>>>> needs to be purchased so often. Heck, five years is conservative; a lot >>>>>>> of people replace them a lot earlier than that. That's just how long I >>>>>>> usually keep my hardware. I'm going to try to go for a decade this time. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you don't play games or do video editing, you could get easily 5 >>>>>> years out of a computer these days. Now with phones, its harder, you >>>>>> don't have a viable option. >>>>> >>>>> You could video edit with older machines too, but I guess the people >>>>> doing that are incredibly impatient and will be glad to shell out >>>>> another $4k on an Apple machine that saves them thirty seconds from the >>>>> previous one. I'm not that kind of person. I'll just wait those thirty >>>>> seconds. >>>>> >>>> DosBox covers most DOS games, and its generally quite good. Almost as >>>> good as the real hardware. >>>> >>>> For windows, I have some games like Simcity 4 that work with >>>> Wine/Lutris, but not so much under Windows. >>>> >>>> In fact, I got DOOM 2016 working under Linux, where I couldn't get >>>> Windows 7 installed on it at all. >>> >>> I'm not a game player, but I use DOSBox-X for WordStar 7, dBase (rarely now) >>> and a screenwriting program called ScriptThing for DOS. All work well. >>> >>> I have tried the Zork text games in DOSBox-X, but I'm not bright enough to >>> get far in these. >> >> The text games required a level of patience most people don't have >> nowadays. They also more or less demanded that you create maps, take >> notes and so on. My nerd cousin could do it, but no one else was willing to. > > I might give them another shot. Never thought about making maps, but that > makes sense. I tried to keep track of it in my head, which I'm definitely > not smart enough to do. I would give them a shot as something for my kid to play. Old Sierra games (before the pointing and clicking) are quite educational for the vocabulary they contain. Text games as well since they force a kid to read and check the dictionary in case they are not sure about the meaning of something. Basically, anything released before 1990 can be recommended. I don't want him to play anything released after around 2000 though since it won't work your reflexes, coordination, problem-solving or anything else for that matter. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage KDE & LibreOffice supporter John 14:6
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-03 19:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7n9hmF6s0uU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #689917 |
On Sat, 3 May 2025 10:56:33 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: > If you don't play games or do video editing, you could get easily 5 > years out of a computer these days. Now with phones, its harder, you > don't have a viable option. I was curious so I checked. I bought my current Nokia phone May 12, 2020. It is still going strong. The battery is not (easily) replaceable so that will be the limiting factor. The previous flip phone was still operational when 3G was being phased out.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-03 04:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7liqbFsk04U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #689895 |
On Fri, 2 May 2025 20:15:40 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > She agreed to using Linux? Women are harder to sell on the idea. When you have on-site tech support... There is a video of Torvalds saying how he has to support the wife and kids and he isn't too good at Linux administration so he tries to keep them on the same distro.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-05-03 08:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <GOnRP.15305$f6Vd.9062@fx11.iad> |
| In reply to | #689905 |
On 2025-05-03 00:02, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 2 May 2025 20:15:40 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> She agreed to using Linux? Women are harder to sell on the idea. > > When you have on-site tech support... There is a video of Torvalds saying > how he has to support the wife and kids and he isn't too good at Linux > administration so he tries to keep them on the same distro. Admittedly, it would be strange if Torvalds's own family didn't use Linux. I'm wondering what they use as a distribution. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage KDE & LibreOffice supporter John 14:6
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-03 21:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7nfpnF7t21U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #689920 |
On Sat, 3 May 2025 08:16:38 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 2025-05-03 00:02, rbowman wrote: >> On Fri, 2 May 2025 20:15:40 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> She agreed to using Linux? Women are harder to sell on the idea. >> >> When you have on-site tech support... There is a video of Torvalds >> saying how he has to support the wife and kids and he isn't too good at >> Linux administration so he tries to keep them on the same distro. > > Admittedly, it would be strange if Torvalds's own family didn't use > Linux. I'm wondering what they use as a distribution. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SofmXIYvGM This is where he talks about maintaining his family's computers. He doesn't like Debian or Ubuntu but doesn't say what he does use. The video is from 2014 but he goes on to talk about political correctness and other topics of interest. About 25 minutes in he implies he uses GNOME although his desktop is bare bones. He never says in this talk but other places say he uses Fedora. He does mention Debian libraries are so old nothing written in this century will compile on it. Hyperbole but it does suggest he prefers being on the cutting edge. Some of the application problems he talks about may have been addressed by flatpak, snap, or AppImage in part. He has some remarks on GPL v3 and the FSF.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-05-03 19:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <dUxRP.2380$0ta8.1908@fx01.iad> |
| In reply to | #689933 |
On 2025-05-03 17:23, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 3 May 2025 08:16:38 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> On 2025-05-03 00:02, rbowman wrote: >>> On Fri, 2 May 2025 20:15:40 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> >>>> She agreed to using Linux? Women are harder to sell on the idea. >>> >>> When you have on-site tech support... There is a video of Torvalds >>> saying how he has to support the wife and kids and he isn't too good at >>> Linux administration so he tries to keep them on the same distro. >> >> Admittedly, it would be strange if Torvalds's own family didn't use >> Linux. I'm wondering what they use as a distribution. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SofmXIYvGM > > This is where he talks about maintaining his family's computers. He > doesn't like Debian or Ubuntu but doesn't say what he does use. The video > is from 2014 but he goes on to talk about political correctness and other > topics of interest. About 25 minutes in he implies he uses GNOME although > his desktop is bare bones. He never says in this talk but other places say > he uses Fedora. He does mention Debian libraries are so old nothing > written in this century will compile on it. Hyperbole but it does suggest > he prefers being on the cutting edge. > > Some of the application problems he talks about may have been addressed by > flatpak, snap, or AppImage in part. > > He has some remarks on GPL v3 and the FSF. Regardless of what his current thoughts on the FSF are, there is no doubt in my mind that Linux wouldn't have gotten to where it is today without its support. I'm also not surprised that he's not using Ubuntu. For many, it feels like a crime to use it. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage KDE & LibreOffice supporter John 14:6
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-04 02:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7o0diFa6efU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #689939 |
On Sat, 3 May 2025 19:45:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > Regardless of what his current thoughts on the FSF are, there is no > doubt in my mind that Linux wouldn't have gotten to where it is today > without its support. I'm also not surprised that he's not using Ubuntu. > For many, it feels like a crime to use it. If you watch the entire video, Torvalds' GPL 3 complaint has to do with tivoization. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization Torvalds' attitude is if you modify the code, send me the changes so I can see if there is anything worthwhile. Otherwise use it as you please. He does mention he supports the EFF. Stallman wasn't mentioned. Just as well since the moderator had previously cautioned people who were offended by vulgar language to leave the session. There was an earlier back and forth about Torvalds questioning how some people made it to adulthood since they were too stupid to find a teat to suck on.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-05-04 07:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <CjIRP.116551$U3L2.1481@fx16.iad> |
| In reply to | #689941 |
On 2025-05-03 22:06, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 3 May 2025 19:45:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> Regardless of what his current thoughts on the FSF are, there is no >> doubt in my mind that Linux wouldn't have gotten to where it is today >> without its support. I'm also not surprised that he's not using Ubuntu. >> For many, it feels like a crime to use it. > > If you watch the entire video, Torvalds' GPL 3 complaint has to do with > tivoization. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization > > Torvalds' attitude is if you modify the code, send me the changes so I can > see if there is anything worthwhile. Otherwise use it as you please. He > does mention he supports the EFF. > > Stallman wasn't mentioned. Just as well since the moderator had previously > cautioned people who were offended by vulgar language to leave the > session. There was an earlier back and forth about Torvalds questioning > how some people made it to adulthood since they were too stupid to find a > teat to suck on. I used to support the EFF too, but they've since made it clear to me that they're on the opposite end of the political spectrum. A lot of their decisions over the past decade have been questionable to me. To me, that also suggests that Torvalds and I aren't likely to agree on me. I know that Stallman is as "Green" as one can get and consistently supports Jill Stein, but even he makes good points every now and then. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage KDE & LibreOffice supporter John 14:6
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-30 18:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7f7q0Fs4tbU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #689739 |
On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 10:24:22 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: > One of the barriers, is people cannot really imagine anything better. > People just accepted in the 90s that computers were unstable and > crashed. It was just a given, but when my friends asked me about Linux, > and I showed that I could burn a CD, listen to music and download a file > and browse *at the same time*, they were impressed. Computers didn't > need to crash. Ironically computers were more stable in the '80s. It took Windows to introduce the world to the BSOD.
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| From | Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 14:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn1016vp8.2qk.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> |
| In reply to | #689763 |
On 2025-04-30, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 10:24:22 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: > >> One of the barriers, is people cannot really imagine anything better. >> People just accepted in the 90s that computers were unstable and >> crashed. It was just a given, but when my friends asked me about Linux, >> and I showed that I could burn a CD, listen to music and download a file >> and browse *at the same time*, they were impressed. Computers didn't >> need to crash. > > Ironically computers were more stable in the '80s. It took Windows to > introduce the world to the BSOD. True. My Commodore 64 never crashed, except for actual hardware failures. My XT system very rarely crashed. Most DOS programs were pretty stable. Even Windows 3.1 ran OK. It was Windows 95/98 that was a crapshow.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 13:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <8xOQP.3$Ghwb.0@fx10.iad> |
| In reply to | #689797 |
On 2025-05-01 10:03, Borax Man wrote: > On 2025-04-30, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 10:24:22 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: >> >>> One of the barriers, is people cannot really imagine anything better. >>> People just accepted in the 90s that computers were unstable and >>> crashed. It was just a given, but when my friends asked me about Linux, >>> and I showed that I could burn a CD, listen to music and download a file >>> and browse *at the same time*, they were impressed. Computers didn't >>> need to crash. >> >> Ironically computers were more stable in the '80s. It took Windows to >> introduce the world to the BSOD. > > True. My Commodore 64 never crashed, except for actual hardware failures. > > My XT system very rarely crashed. Most DOS programs were pretty stable. > > Even Windows 3.1 ran OK. It was Windows 95/98 that was a crapshow. Yep, but the competition wasn't much better at the time. MacOS was considered to be worse than Windows and while OS/2 might have worked right, nobody wanted to use it because it was unintuitive and had no exclusive software. Linux was also not worth using for a while. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage KDE & LibreOffice supporter John 14:6
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-29 22:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vurl27$2pskn$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #689679 |
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 14:08:39 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: > It is still the dominant desktop operating system. Meanwhile, the definition of “desktop” keeps shrinking ...
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-26 22:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vujod0$3cei9$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #689491 |
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 10:09:51 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: > That is, they want to work on what they want to work on, rather than > what needs to be done. Or rather, they work on what they see as needs to be done. If you want them to work on what you see as needing to be done, by all means hire them and pay them for it.
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