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  Fun With Dates -- Need Help Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-17 20:54 +0000
    Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-18 12:24 +0000
      Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-18 14:00 +0000
        Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-18 15:12 +0000
          Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 15:14 -0600
            Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-18 22:21 +0000
              Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 17:40 -0500
              Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 17:18 -0600
        Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-18 15:26 +0000
          Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-18 22:53 +0000
            Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-19 15:35 +0000
            Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-19 15:58 +0000
              Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-24 19:40 +0000
                Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-24 15:36 -0500
                Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-24 22:27 +0000
                  Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-24 22:55 +0000
                    Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-24 23:35 +0000
                      Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-25 10:43 +0000
                        Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-25 11:24 +0000
                          Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-25 14:06 +0000
                            Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2025-01-25 14:49 +0000
                              Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-07 19:00 +0000
                          Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-25 14:33 -0600
                            Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-26 11:21 +0000
                            Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-26 06:54 -0500
                  Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-24 18:23 -0500
                  Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-25 01:00 +0000
            Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-19 17:36 +0000
              Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 14:03 -0600
                Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-20 21:05 +0000
              Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-24 20:16 +0000
                Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-24 16:07 -0500
                  Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-24 22:19 +0000
                    Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-24 17:54 -0500
                      Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-25 01:09 +0000
                      Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-25 10:23 +0000
                        Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-25 06:08 -0500
                          Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2025-01-25 16:51 +0000
                        Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-25 09:07 -0500
                          Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-25 09:16 -0500
                            Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-25 09:47 -0500
                              Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-25 10:28 -0500
                                Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-26 11:01 -0500
                                  Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-27 08:34 -0500
                Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-24 22:37 +0000
                Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-25 01:04 +0000
                Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-25 02:14 +0000
                  Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-25 11:05 +0000
                    Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-28 22:30 -0500
                      Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-01 10:19 +0000
                Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-25 11:06 +0000
        Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-18 15:40 +0000
          Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-18 23:12 +0000
        Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2025-01-18 16:45 +0000
          Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 15:28 -0600
      Re: Fun With Dates -- Need Help Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 14:39 -0600

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#684575

On 25 Jan 2025 14:06:50 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> 
> Do you really need Greek alphabet to open a new application? 
>

Jeezus F. Christ!  You really are a fucking IDIOT.

This special X keyboard extension, as I clearly and repeatedly
indicated, is made to facilitate MATHEMATICAL INPUT.  That's
all.

Furthermore, I can enable and disable it at will according to
my needs.  Can that be done with that junk Wayland?

Answer: No.

Now get back to your pseudo-futuristic junk Wayland.  It was
created by idiots for idiots.





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#685275

Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> wrote at 14:49 this Saturday (GMT):
> On 25 Jan 2025 14:06:50 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> 
>> Do you really need Greek alphabet to open a new application? 
>>
>
> Jeezus F. Christ!  You really are a fucking IDIOT.
>
> This special X keyboard extension, as I clearly and repeatedly
> indicated, is made to facilitate MATHEMATICAL INPUT.  That's
> all.
>
> Furthermore, I can enable and disable it at will according to
> my needs.  Can that be done with that junk Wayland?
>
> Answer: No.
>
> Now get back to your pseudo-futuristic junk Wayland.  It was
> created by idiots for idiots.


If whatever you're using supports LaTeX strings, you could use that?
-- 
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#684585

On 1/25/25 5:24 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
> On 25 Jan 2025 10:43:12 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> 
>>
>>> I also provided a fantastic X Window mathematical keyboard
>>> modification which you totally ignored (most likely because it won't
>>> function under that junk Wayland).
>>
>> I didn't ignored it, I answered you. It's not fantastic, it's garbage
>> for anyone considering the keyboard is superior to the mouse.
>>
> 
> _You_ are garbage.  That keyboard is fantastic.
> 
> For one thing, it parallels the Latin characters with most of the
> Greek alphabet.  For example, to type "alpha" I just press Win+a
> because "a" is parallel to "alpha."  It's the same for "beta" || "b"
> and so on.  I can also get an upper-case "alpha" with Shift+Win+a
> and so on.
> 
> Not all the Greek chars are mapped because they are not all common
> in mathematical contexts.  In the "holes" I place other standard
> math symbols such as integration, partial differentiation, etc.
> 
> As I mentioned, the keyboard needs work.  I only use the "Win" key
> and the "Shift+Win" combination but there are a lot of other
> combinations possible.  I can create a LOT of math symbols.
> 
> But _you_ cannot realize my fantastic keyboard extension because
> you are helplessly stuck in that pseudo-modern junk called
> Wayland.
> 
> I say "fuck Wayland."  Give me X and then get out of the fucking
> way.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



Most of your posts, after I read them, create the question for me, "Then 
what?" I understand you enjoy creating the tools. But beyond some point 
doing that over and over becomes meaningless. It becomes like what 
computer enthusiasts do with their computers. Upgrade and upgrade to the 
best that's possible. And then, instead of taking the next step, they 
just wait for another upgrade of the computer to become available and 
jump at it doing what they'd been doing before, tens of times :) 
Hahhahahhahh :)

Same with the OS. Same with their cars. I guess same with their wives, 
kids, etc.

They never take the next step. Not anyone in this forum anyway.

I remember after a couple of years of married life, one Saturday morning 
after we had our breakfast in the nice patio, I turned to her and asked, 
"So what are we going to do?"

 From the reaction I got on her face it was clear she did not have the 
slightest idea what my question meant. Eventually she said, "What do you 
mean?"

I said, "What is our next step?" She didn't understand that either and 
got silent and just continued her thoughts without actually answering me.

The meaning of my remarks was Chinese to her.

I'm different. I'm still taking "next steps."

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#684605

On Sat, 25 Jan 2025 14:33:29 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

> 
> Most of your posts, after I read them, create the question for me, "Then 
> what?" I understand you enjoy creating the tools. But beyond some point 
> doing that over and over becomes meaningless.
>

The PC, or PERSONAL COMPUTER, is, or certainly should be, the
central core component of everyone's life.  The PC represents
absolute empowerment.  It allows every man to be a publisher,
artist, composer, writer, musician, etc., etc.  In the modern
digital world the PC is the ultimate, universal tool.

Thus, perfecting ones computer is never meaningless and
is always a rewarding adventure in that it forever exposes
new realms to the imagination.  There is never a question
of what to do next but rather of which of the many new
directions to pursue.

Some may not agree or appreciate.  But for those that don't
they invented the "phone."  Like babies with pacifiers stuck
in their mouths, so too are they stuck with their phones.

>
> I remember after a couple of years of married life, one
> Saturday morning after we had our breakfast in the nice patio,
> I turned to her and asked, "So what are we going to do?"
>

The sole, singular purpose of marriage is to produce
and raise offspring.  When there are kids around such
a question will never arise.  But when the kids are
gone then emptiness erupts.

Similarly, the sole, singular purpose of the computer
is to creatively compute.  As long as the power flows
the question of "what next?" will never arise.  But
if the power fails then one is confronted with only
useless hardware and emptiness results.

The hardware is only the means to the end of creativity.





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#684607

On 1/25/25 3:33 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 1/25/25 5:24 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
>> On 25 Jan 2025 10:43:12 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>> 
>> {snip usual drivel}
> 
> Most of your posts, after I read them, create the question for me, "Then 
> what?" I understand you enjoy creating the tools. But beyond some point 
> doing that over and over becomes meaningless. It becomes like what 
> computer enthusiasts do with their computers. Upgrade and upgrade to the 
> best that's possible. And then, instead of taking the next step, they 
> just wait for another upgrade of the computer to become available and 
> jump at it doing what they'd been doing before, tens of times :) 
> Hahhahahhahh :)
> 
> Same with the OS. Same with their cars. I guess same with their wives, 
> kids, etc.
> 
> They never take the next step. Not anyone in this forum anyway.


Yup.  Its why I've noted workflows and productivity; it is but a tool, 
and these are examples of the means to the end ("what's next").

Now sure, there's some folk whose hobby is of the 'creation' process, 
but a PC's purpose isn't for the user to sit & watch its screen-saver.


-hh

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#684555

On 1/24/2025 5:27 PM, Lameass Larry wrote:
> On 24 Jan 2025 19:40:10 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> 
>>
>> As always, you ran fast Forrest.
>>
> 
> ??????????????????


Being a weird, cloistered, GuhNoo creep, you don't keep up with American 
or world culture.

Forrest was the main character in the very popular, 6-Academy Award 
winning 1994 movie 'Forrest Gump'.  His little girlfriend called out for 
him to "Run Forrest run!" when some bullies were chasing him.

It's not surprising Stéphane knows about the movie; it sold more outside 
the US and Canada than inside.  Hollywood movies and TV are some of our 
biggest and most successful exports.

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#684557

On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 22:27:38 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:

> If you desire to participate on this NG then you will use English or
> else you will get the fuck out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C78HBp-Youk

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#684340

On 18 Jan 2025 22:53:38 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> 
> It's completely that. Look at your claims: you say that UTF-8 is
> important to write correctly mathematical symbols and you are unable to
> write any French word when you try to impress I don't know who. You are
> that limited that you can't even copy/paste my first name when you
> write it. You are the perfect example of the limited American.
> 

You overlook the fact that the standard computer keyboard, when
faced with Unicode input, is extremely limited.

No one, and that includes myself, wants to press multiple keys
in sequence or in combination just to enter a single character.
But it's not only pressing the keys.  It's also learning and remembering
the correct sequence/combination.

Consider your name.  I can copy/paste:

Stéphane

But if I could not copy/paste then I would have to know the
correct sequence/combination of keys and I can't waste time with
learning something that I will use only very infrequently.

The approximation, Stephane, although imperfect, is good enough
and no one should have any complaints.

Unicode math symbols are extensive but, AFAIK, there are no
keyboards that contain even a partial subset of the symbols.
Instead, a complicated sequence/combination of key presses
is required for each symbol and such key presses often differ
with different software.  Entering math symbols is a huge
mess.

I have already published on C.O.L.A. my X keyboard modification
to allow some Unicode math input.

Just put the following file into /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols
and then change the keyboard overlay with:

setxkbmap -layout mth
 
Then you can enter the "integral" symbol by pressing Win+J,
where Win is the otherwise useless "Windows Menu" key on some
keyboards.

This layout needs some work and is also DOES NOT WORK ON THAT
JUNK WAYLAND.


============================================================================
default partial

xkb_symbols "mdc" {

 key <TLDE> { [ grave, asciitilde, U22A2, U22A3 ] };
 key <AE01> { [ 1, exclam, U2081, U21AF ] };
 key <AE02> { [ 2, at, U2082, U00BD ] };
 key <AE03> { [ 3, numbersign, U2083, U00A3 ] };
 key <AE04> { [ 4, dollar, U2084, U20AC ] };
 key <AE05> { [ 5, percent, U2085, U00B7 ] };
 key <AE06> { [ 6, asciicircum, U2086, U221A ] };
 key <AE07> { [ 7, ampersand, U2087, U2232 ] };
 key <AE08> { [ 8, asterisk, U2088, U221E ] };
 key <AE09> { [ 9, parenleft, U2089, U207B ] };
 key <AE10> { [ 0, parenright, U2080, U2205 ] };
 key <AE11> { [ minus, underscore, U2013, U2014 ] };
 key <AE12> { [ equal, plus, U2260, U2248 ] };

 key <AD01> { [ q, Q, U2203, U2200 ] };
 key <AD02> { [ w, W, U03C9, U03A9 ] };
 key <AD03> { [ e, E, U03B5, U2261 ] };
 key <AD04> { [ r, R, U03C1, U211D ] };
 key <AD05> { [ t, T, U03C4, U00DE ] };
 key <AD06> { [ y, Y, U2190, U21D0 ] };
 key <AD07> { [ u, U, U2194, U21D4 ] };
 key <AD08> { [ i, I, U2192, U21D2 ] };
 key <AD09> { [ o, O, U03B3, U0393 ] };
 key <AD10> { [ p, P, U03C0, U03A0 ] };
 key <AD11> { [ bracketleft, braceleft, U27E8, dead_ogonek ] };
 key <AD12> { [ bracketright, braceright, U27E9, dead_macron ] };
 key <BKSL> { [ backslash, U007C, dead_circumflex, dead_caron ] };

 key <AC01> { [ a, A, U03B1, U2933 ] };
 key <AC02> { [ s, S, U03C3, U03A3 ] };
 key <AC03> { [ d, D, U03B4, U211A ] };
 key <AC04> { [ f, F, U03C6, U21A6 ] };
 key <AC05> { [ g, G, U2202, U2207 ] };
 key <AC06> { [ h, H, U03B8, U2243 ] };
 key <AC07> { [ j, J, U222B, U0131 ] };
 key <AC08> { [ k, K, U03BA, U03BE ] };
 key <AC09> { [ l, L, U03BB,  U2113 ] };
 key <AC10> { [ semicolon, colon, dead_diaeresis, dead_tilde ] };
 key <AC11> { [ apostrophe, quotedbl, dead_acute, dead_grave ] };

 key <AB01> { [ z, Z, U2227, U2228 ] };
 key <AB02> { [ x, X, U2229, U222A ] };
 key <AB03> { [ c, C, U2208, U2209 ] };
 key <AB04> { [ v, V, U2282, U2284 ] };
 key <AB05> { [ b, B, U03B2, U03A8 ] };
 key <AB06> { [ n, N, U00AC, U2115 ] };
 key <AB07> { [ m, M, U03BC, U03B7 ] };
 key <AB08> { [ comma, less, U2234, U2264 ] };
 key <AB09> { [ period, greater, U25A1, U2265 ] };
 key <AB10> { [ slash, question, U2124, U221D ] };

 include "level3(win_switch)"

};
=========================================================



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#684381

On 1/19/25 11:36 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
> On 18 Jan 2025 22:53:38 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> 
>>
>> It's completely that. Look at your claims: you say that UTF-8 is
>> important to write correctly mathematical symbols and you are unable to
>> write any French word when you try to impress I don't know who. You are
>> that limited that you can't even copy/paste my first name when you
>> write it. You are the perfect example of the limited American.
>>
> 
> You overlook the fact that the standard computer keyboard, when
> faced with Unicode input, is extremely limited.
> 
> No one, and that includes myself, wants to press multiple keys
> in sequence or in combination just to enter a single character.
> But it's not only pressing the keys.  It's also learning and remembering
> the correct sequence/combination.
> 
> Consider your name.  I can copy/paste:
> 
> Stéphane
> 
> But if I could not copy/paste then I would have to know the
> correct sequence/combination of keys and I can't waste time with
> learning something that I will use only very infrequently.
> 
> The approximation, Stephane, although imperfect, is good enough
> and no one should have any complaints.
> 
> Unicode math symbols are extensive but, AFAIK, there are no
> keyboards that contain even a partial subset of the symbols.
> Instead, a complicated sequence/combination of key presses
> is required for each symbol and such key presses often differ
> with different software.  Entering math symbols is a huge
> mess.
> 
> I have already published on C.O.L.A. my X keyboard modification
> to allow some Unicode math input.
> 
> Just put the following file into /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols
> and then change the keyboard overlay with:
> 
> setxkbmap -layout mth
>   
> Then you can enter the "integral" symbol by pressing Win+J,
> where Win is the otherwise useless "Windows Menu" key on some
> keyboards.
> 
> This layout needs some work and is also DOES NOT WORK ON THAT
> JUNK WAYLAND.
> 
> 
> ============================================================================
> default partial
> 
> xkb_symbols "mdc" {
> 
>   key <TLDE> { [ grave, asciitilde, U22A2, U22A3 ] };
>   key <AE01> { [ 1, exclam, U2081, U21AF ] };
>   key <AE02> { [ 2, at, U2082, U00BD ] };
>   key <AE03> { [ 3, numbersign, U2083, U00A3 ] };
>   key <AE04> { [ 4, dollar, U2084, U20AC ] };
>   key <AE05> { [ 5, percent, U2085, U00B7 ] };
>   key <AE06> { [ 6, asciicircum, U2086, U221A ] };
>   key <AE07> { [ 7, ampersand, U2087, U2232 ] };
>   key <AE08> { [ 8, asterisk, U2088, U221E ] };
>   key <AE09> { [ 9, parenleft, U2089, U207B ] };
>   key <AE10> { [ 0, parenright, U2080, U2205 ] };
>   key <AE11> { [ minus, underscore, U2013, U2014 ] };
>   key <AE12> { [ equal, plus, U2260, U2248 ] };
> 
>   key <AD01> { [ q, Q, U2203, U2200 ] };
>   key <AD02> { [ w, W, U03C9, U03A9 ] };
>   key <AD03> { [ e, E, U03B5, U2261 ] };
>   key <AD04> { [ r, R, U03C1, U211D ] };
>   key <AD05> { [ t, T, U03C4, U00DE ] };
>   key <AD06> { [ y, Y, U2190, U21D0 ] };
>   key <AD07> { [ u, U, U2194, U21D4 ] };
>   key <AD08> { [ i, I, U2192, U21D2 ] };
>   key <AD09> { [ o, O, U03B3, U0393 ] };
>   key <AD10> { [ p, P, U03C0, U03A0 ] };
>   key <AD11> { [ bracketleft, braceleft, U27E8, dead_ogonek ] };
>   key <AD12> { [ bracketright, braceright, U27E9, dead_macron ] };
>   key <BKSL> { [ backslash, U007C, dead_circumflex, dead_caron ] };
> 
>   key <AC01> { [ a, A, U03B1, U2933 ] };
>   key <AC02> { [ s, S, U03C3, U03A3 ] };
>   key <AC03> { [ d, D, U03B4, U211A ] };
>   key <AC04> { [ f, F, U03C6, U21A6 ] };
>   key <AC05> { [ g, G, U2202, U2207 ] };
>   key <AC06> { [ h, H, U03B8, U2243 ] };
>   key <AC07> { [ j, J, U222B, U0131 ] };
>   key <AC08> { [ k, K, U03BA, U03BE ] };
>   key <AC09> { [ l, L, U03BB,  U2113 ] };
>   key <AC10> { [ semicolon, colon, dead_diaeresis, dead_tilde ] };
>   key <AC11> { [ apostrophe, quotedbl, dead_acute, dead_grave ] };
> 
>   key <AB01> { [ z, Z, U2227, U2228 ] };
>   key <AB02> { [ x, X, U2229, U222A ] };
>   key <AB03> { [ c, C, U2208, U2209 ] };
>   key <AB04> { [ v, V, U2282, U2284 ] };
>   key <AB05> { [ b, B, U03B2, U03A8 ] };
>   key <AB06> { [ n, N, U00AC, U2115 ] };
>   key <AB07> { [ m, M, U03BC, U03B7 ] };
>   key <AB08> { [ comma, less, U2234, U2264 ] };
>   key <AB09> { [ period, greater, U25A1, U2265 ] };
>   key <AB10> { [ slash, question, U2124, U221D ] };
> 
>   include "level3(win_switch)"
> 
> };
> =========================================================
> 
> 
> 


If one is serious about it (and I was), one can create one's own 
characters in any language and use them with any keyboard pattern 
convenient to him. I did that with Commodore 64 for Persian! I printed 
out letters to my family in Iran using such characters that they had not 
seen in their lifetime back then. Very eloquently shaped and clear to 
read characters. I even made a key on keyboard to create my own name in 
handwriting style, what my family were familiar with in my handwritten 
letters :) They'd look at it under the magnifying glass and wonder what 
could produce that handwriting so accurately, using the dots and pixels 
that a funky printer had at its disposal.

I have a few copies of those letters somewhere, and once in a great 
while I come across them and wonder, myself, how nice the characters 
were :)

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#684386

On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 14:03:41 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

> 
> If one is serious about it (and I was), one can create one's own 
> characters in any language and use them with any keyboard pattern 
> convenient to him. 
>

That certainly is true.

But if you want to use software that is produced by others then you
have to adhere to some standard.

I don't deny that a group of people can communicate among themselves
with their own defined characters, but if you want to interact with
the rest of the world then you must use established standards.





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#684545

Le 19-01-2025, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :
> On 18 Jan 2025 22:53:38 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> 
>> It's completely that. Look at your claims: you say that UTF-8 is
>> important to write correctly mathematical symbols and you are unable to
>> write any French word when you try to impress I don't know who. You are
>> that limited that you can't even copy/paste my first name when you
>> write it. You are the perfect example of the limited American.
>
> You overlook the fact that the standard computer keyboard, 

There is no such thing as "the" standard computer keyboard. The fact
that you really believe that proves exactly what I said. You, as all
Americans, consider that the USA is all that exist in the world.

> when faced with Unicode input, is extremely limited.

You are limited, don't blame your keyboard for that.

> No one, and that includes myself, wants to press multiple keys
> in sequence or in combination just to enter a single character.

How did you managed to write the upper case letters in your message?

> But it's not only pressing the keys.  It's also learning and remembering
> the correct sequence/combination.

Good tools should help you with that.

> Consider your name.  I can copy/paste:
>
> Stéphane

You managed to do it, I'm impressed.

> But if I could not copy/paste then I would have to know the
> correct sequence/combination of keys and I can't waste time with
> learning something that I will use only very infrequently.

Yes, but I never saw you write my first name except when you answered
some messages I wrote. In other words, you would always have been able
to copy/paste if if needed. I always saw you call me by my last name
when answering to someone else message.

> The approximation, Stephane, although imperfect, is good enough
> and no one should have any complaints.

I'm not complaining about that. I'm saying that your keyboard, as all
keyboard designed for Americans are only designed to write English, the
rest can fall into oblivion.

> Unicode math symbols are extensive but, AFAIK, there are no
> keyboards that contain even a partial subset of the symbols.
> Instead, a complicated sequence/combination of key presses
> is required for each symbol and such key presses often differ
> with different software.  Entering math symbols is a huge
> mess.

There are tools here to help you with that.

> Then you can enter the "integral" symbol by pressing Win+J,
> where Win is the otherwise useless "Windows Menu" key on some
> keyboards.

The "Windows key" is just useless for you who are a lackey of your
mouse pretending the keyboard is superior. But if you want to avoid your
mouse, it's great to use the "Windows key" because it won't infer with
your applications. And mapping your keyboard as you do would render any
tilling WM unusable without bringing any advantage.

> This layout needs some work and is also DOES NOT WORK ON THAT
> JUNK WAYLAND.

Exactly my point. It's a lot of work where alternatives are easy to use
and better which can work at the same time with wayland and with xorg.

I'll just give you two of them, you won't like them because, unlike your
claims you'd rather use a mouse than a terminal. If you used a terminal,
you'd know how important a good terminal is and you would consider
kitty, which has among other things a great way to help with unicode:
<https://sw.kovidgoyal.net/kitty/kittens/unicode_input/> But I know,
you'd rather use your limited terminal just pretending it's enough.

And kitty is well integrated with vim which is a good text editor for
someone using more extensively his keyboard than his mouse. But it's too
difficult for you to use. But vim has digraphs to help with unicode:
<https://vim-jp.org/vimdoc-en/digraph.html>

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#684547

On 1/24/2025 3:16 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> And kitty is well integrated with vim which is a good text editor for
> someone using more extensively his keyboard than his mouse.


Small correction:

"someone using his keyboard more extensively than his mouse."

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#684548

Le 24-01-2025, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
> On 1/24/2025 3:16 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> And kitty is well integrated with vim which is a good text editor for
>> someone using more extensively his keyboard than his mouse.
>
>
> Small correction:
>
> "someone using his keyboard more extensively than his mouse."

Thanks, I'll try to remember it. It's a difficult point because French
and English words are not always displayed u=in the same order. I guess
the more I read English, the less I'll do the mistake.

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#684553

On 1/24/2025 5:19 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 24-01-2025, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
>> On 1/24/2025 3:16 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>
>>> And kitty is well integrated with vim which is a good text editor for
>>> someone using more extensively his keyboard than his mouse.
>>
>>
>> Small correction:
>>
>> "someone using his keyboard more extensively than his mouse."
> 
> Thanks, I'll try to remember it. It's a difficult point because French
> and English words are not always displayed u=in the same order. 

If I could read/write/speak a few sentences in another language I'd be 
happy.  But as you said, the US is the center of the world, and nearly 
everyone else speaks English.  Thanks for accommodating us!



> I guess the more I read English, the less I'll do the mistake.

Correction:
"make that mistake."

'make a/the/that mistake' is how it's said here (present tense)
* If you hurry, you're more likely to make a mistake.
* Did you make the mistake of installing Linux?
* I won't make that mistake again.

'made' is the past tense:
* He made a mistake.
* She made two mistakes.


But like I said, your English is good and often has more nuance than I 
would expect from a non-native speaker.

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#684559

On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 17:54:42 -0500, DFS wrote:

> If I could read/write/speak a few sentences in another language I'd be
> happy.  But as you said, the US is the center of the world, and nearly
> everyone else speaks English.  Thanks for accommodating us!

When I was in school engineering students were encouraged to learn German 
since German technical papers might be of interest. That was then. The 
business and shop kids took Spanish. That would have proved to be more 
useful since Spanish speakers apparently have little interest in learning 
English. 

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#684561

Le 24-01-2025, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
> On 1/24/2025 5:19 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>> Le 24-01-2025, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
>>> On 1/24/2025 3:16 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>>
>>>> And kitty is well integrated with vim which is a good text editor for
>>>> someone using more extensively his keyboard than his mouse.
>>>
>>>
>>> Small correction:
>>>
>>> "someone using his keyboard more extensively than his mouse."
>> 
>> Thanks, I'll try to remember it. It's a difficult point because French
>> and English words are not always displayed u=in the same order. 
>
> If I could read/write/speak a few sentences in another language I'd be 
> happy.  

You should try to learn. One thing I never anticipated in learning a
foreign language was: I'd learn about my language, too. In your language,
you have some habits and don't realize things too obvious. And when you
learn another language, you compare it with your own language and
realize things about your language you never anticipated.

>> I guess the more I read English, the less I'll do the mistake.
>
> Correction:
> "make that mistake."

OK, here, it's a difficult point too. Because in French, there is only
one word to say "do" and "make". If I know the difference between them,
it's not always obvious to know which one I have to use.

> 'make a/the/that mistake' is how it's said here (present tense)
> * If you hurry, you're more likely to make a mistake.
> * Did you make the mistake of installing Linux?
> * I won't make that mistake again.
>
> 'made' is the past tense:
> * He made a mistake.
> * She made two mistakes.

Here, it's not the mistake I made. I know when to choose between "make"
and "made", as I know when to choose between "do" and "did". I can use
the wrong one, but only if I'm tired or if I don't take enough care, not
because lack of knowledge. I never know when to use "chose" or "choose"
because they have the same pronunciation and I'll always have to look
on Internet to find the answer.

> But like I said, your English is good and often has more nuance than I 
> would expect from a non-native speaker.

It's mandatory if I want to improve. I have to look for more words than
the one who comes naturally.

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#684566

On 1/25/25 5:23 AM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 24-01-2025, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
>> On 1/24/2025 5:19 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>> Le 24-01-2025, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
>>>> On 1/24/2025 3:16 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And kitty is well integrated with vim which is a good text editor for
>>>>> someone using more extensively his keyboard than his mouse.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Small correction:
>>>>
>>>> "someone using his keyboard more extensively than his mouse."
>>>
>>> Thanks, I'll try to remember it. It's a difficult point because French
>>> and English words are not always displayed u=in the same order.
>>
>> If I could read/write/speak a few sentences in another language I'd be
>> happy.
> 
> You should try to learn. One thing I never anticipated in learning a
> foreign language was: I'd learn about my language, too. In your language,
> you have some habits and don't realize things too obvious. And when you
> learn another language, you compare it with your own language and
> realize things about your language you never anticipated.

Learning English when you know French or the opposite is particularly 
interesting because you are forced to learn history to explain why 
certain things are similar and others different. Since one culture is 
mostly Latin and the other Germanic, there should be little to nothing 
in common in the language, but certain words and terms are identical. A 
lot of it is the result of the many wars between the two people and the 
trade between them.

>>> I guess the more I read English, the less I'll do the mistake.
>>
>> Correction:
>> "make that mistake."
> 
> OK, here, it's a difficult point too. Because in French, there is only
> one word to say "do" and "make". If I know the difference between them,
> it's not always obvious to know which one I have to use.

English is a little less logical in this respect because you'll say 
"j'ai fait une erreur" but he is expecting you to say "j'ai créé une 
erreur."

>> 'make a/the/that mistake' is how it's said here (present tense)
>> * If you hurry, you're more likely to make a mistake.
>> * Did you make the mistake of installing Linux?
>> * I won't make that mistake again.
>>
>> 'made' is the past tense:
>> * He made a mistake.
>> * She made two mistakes.
> 
> Here, it's not the mistake I made. I know when to choose between "make"
> and "made", as I know when to choose between "do" and "did". I can use
> the wrong one, but only if I'm tired or if I don't take enough care, not
> because lack of knowledge. I never know when to use "chose" or "choose"
> because they have the same pronunciation and I'll always have to look
> on Internet to find the answer.

Here is a similar one: in English, you'll say "that makes sense." 
Because of the strong American culture here in Quebec, many French 
speakers will say "cela fait du sens" without thinking twice. However, 
it should translate to "cela a du sens" because French understands that 
you can't _produce_ sense, something either has it or doesn't.

However, this little conversation has inspired me to quote a line from 
The Matrix Revolutions:

"I love French wine, like I the French language. I have sampled every 
language, French is my favorite. Fantastic language. Especially to curse 
with. Nom de dieu de putain de bordel de merde de saloperie de connard 
d'enculé de ta mère. It's like wiping your arse with silk. I love it."

I have to concur. Insults are a lot more fun in French.

< snip >

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#684578

On Sat, 25 Jan 2025 06:08:21 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:

> 
> "I love French wine, like I the French language. I have sampled every 
> language, French is my favorite. Fantastic language. Especially to curse 
> with. Nom de dieu de putain de bordel de merde de saloperie de connard 
> d'enculé de ta mère. It's like wiping your arse with silk. I love it."
> 

But _you_ wipe your ass with sandpaper.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!





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#684570

On 1/25/2025 5:23 AM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 24-01-2025, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
>> On 1/24/2025 5:19 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>> Le 24-01-2025, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
>>>> On 1/24/2025 3:16 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And kitty is well integrated with vim which is a good text editor for
>>>>> someone using more extensively his keyboard than his mouse.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Small correction:
>>>>
>>>> "someone using his keyboard more extensively than his mouse."
>>>
>>> Thanks, I'll try to remember it. It's a difficult point because French
>>> and English words are not always displayed u=in the same order.
>>
>> If I could read/write/speak a few sentences in another language I'd be
>> happy.
> 
> You should try to learn. 

I'm lazy.  I probably never will.

I had a little Spanish in high school.  And I spent a week in Germany 20 
years ago, and by the end could read German well enough to get by. 
Couldn't understand spoken German at all, though.

joke:
What do you call a person that can speak three languages? Trilingual.
What do you call a person that can speak two languages? Bilingual.
What do you call a person that can speak one language? American.


> One thing I never anticipated in learning a
> foreign language was: I'd learn about my language, too. In your language,
> you have some habits and don't realize things too obvious. And when you
> learn another language, you compare it with your own language and
> realize things about your language you never anticipated.

Good point.

Linguistics is fairly interesting.

Check out 'The Professor and The Madman' movie.  The Mel Gibson 
character is based on British lexicographer James Murray, who claimed 
"an 'intimate acquaintance' with Italian, French, Catalan, Spanish, and 
Latin, and 'to a lesser degree Portuguese, Vaudois, Provençal & various 
dialects'. In addition, he was 'tolerably familiar' with Dutch, German, 
and Danish. His studies of Anglo-Saxon and Mœso-Gothic had been 'much 
closer', he knew 'a little of the Celtic' and was at the time 'engaged 
with the Slavonic, having obtained a useful knowledge of the Russian'. 
He had 'sufficient knowledge of Hebrew and Syriac to read and cite the 
Old Testament and Peshito' and to a lesser degree he knew Aramaic, 
Arabic, Coptic, and Phoenician."   (per wikipedia).

Incredible.


>>> I guess the more I read English, the less I'll do the mistake.
>>
>> Correction:
>> "make that mistake."
> 
> OK, here, it's a difficult point too. Because in French, there is only
> one word to say "do" and "make". If I know the difference between them,
> it's not always obvious to know which one I have to use.

Make it happen.  ok in English
Make it work.    ok in English

Do it happen.    not ok
Do it work.      not ok

Make the job.    not ok
Do the job.      ok

Make up a story  ok
Do up a story    ok but uncommon

I can see how it could be confusing.



>> 'make a/the/that mistake' is how it's said here (present tense)
>> * If you hurry, you're more likely to make a mistake.
>> * Did you make the mistake of installing Linux?
>> * I won't make that mistake again.
>>
>> 'made' is the past tense:
>> * He made a mistake.
>> * She made two mistakes.
> 
> Here, it's not the mistake I made. I know when to choose between "make"
> and "made", as I know when to choose between "do" and "did". I can use
> the wrong one, but only if I'm tired or if I don't take enough care, not
> because lack of knowledge. I never know when to use "chose" or "choose"
> because they have the same pronunciation 


No, they have very different pronunciations in English:

chose  sounds like chOz   long o  (froze)
choose sounds like chooz  long u  (cruise)
lose   sounds like looz   long u  (booze)
loose  sounds like looss  long u and sibilant s (hiss, moose)

chose doesn't sound at all like the others
choose and lose rhyme closely
choose and loose partially rhyme

It must be a pain for 'foreigners' to learn.

Also:
cut is a short u - uh
cute is a long u - yoo  (also look up 'magic e' words)
coot is a long u - oo

And then there's English slang.

Slimer/Crude Sausage is very fluent in French and English (and Polish), 
so he can help you too (when he's not too busy writing fanboy letters to 
Trump and Putin and Assad).


> and I'll always have to look
> on Internet to find the answer.


>> But like I said, your English is good and often has more nuance than I
>> would expect from a non-native speaker.
> 
> It's mandatory if I want to improve. I have to look for more words than
> the one who comes naturally.

Are you trying to improve your English for professional reasons? 
Resolving 8 million Linux bugs?  Trying to impress an American woman?

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#684572

On 1/25/25 9:07 AM, DFS wrote:

> No, they have very different pronunciations in English:
> 
> chose  sounds like chOz   long o  (froze)
> choose sounds like chooz  long u  (cruise)
> lose   sounds like looz   long u  (booze)
> loose  sounds like looss  long u and sibilant s (hiss, moose)
> 
> chose doesn't sound at all like the others
> choose and lose rhyme closely
> choose and loose partially rhyme
> 
> It must be a pain for 'foreigners' to learn.
> 
> Also:
> cut is a short u - uh
> cute is a long u - yoo  (also look up 'magic e' words)
> coot is a long u - oo
> 
> And then there's English slang.
> 
> Slimer/Crude Sausage is very fluent in French and English (and Polish), 
> so he can help you too (when he's not too busy writing fanboy letters to 
> Trump and Putin and Assad).

It's still better than masturbating to images of Kamala Harris and 
Hillary Clinton the way that you do.

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