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Linux 50% faster bullshit

Started by	DFS <nospam@dfs.com>
First post	2015-04-25 09:16 -0400
Last post	2015-04-25 10:26 -0700
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  Linux 50% faster bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-25 09:16 -0400
    Re: Linux 50% faster bullshit Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-25 09:22 -0400
      Re: Linux 50% faster bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-25 09:24 -0400
        Re: Linux 50% faster bullshit taka0038@gmail.com - 2015-04-25 09:12 -0700
          Re: Linux 50% faster bullshit Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-25 18:22 +0200
        Re: Linux 50% faster bullshit owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-25 16:22 +0000
          Re: Linux 50% faster bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-27 00:44 -0400
            Re: Linux 50% faster bullshit owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-27 05:24 +0000
              Re: Linux 50% faster bullshit owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-27 05:30 +0000
              Re: Linux 50% faster bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-27 08:41 -0400
                Re: Linux 50% faster bullshit owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-27 16:42 +0000
                  Re: Linux 50% faster bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-28 07:27 -0400
    Copying System32, my Win8 SSD is three times faster than @DFS's. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-25 10:26 -0700

#291533 — Linux 50% faster bullshit

From	DFS <nospam@dfs.com>
Date	2015-04-25 09:16 -0400
Subject	Linux 50% faster bullshit
Message-ID	<mhg41g$rah$1@dont-email.me>

Creepy: "DFS should try copying large directory hierarchies with
          hundreds or thousands of files.  It wouldn't suprise me if
          "Linux" finished copying them while Explorer was still
          "Preparing to copy files".

DFS: "It would greatly surprise me.  If Windows wins that comparison,
       too - and I'm confident it will - will you stand up to your wife
       for one day?"




Let's test his mewling, using C:\Windows\System32.


1.  Make a copy of it:

PS C:\Users\DFS> measure-command {copy-item c:\windows\system32
c:\users\dfs\temptest -recurse -container}

Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\Com\dmp' is denied.
Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\config' is denied.
Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\LogFiles\Firewall' is denied.
Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\LogFiles\Sum' is denied.
Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\LogFiles\WMI' is denied.
Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\MsDtc' is denied.
Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\networklist' is denied.
Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\Tasks' is denied.

After copying System32 less the above, I'm left with a partial copy
containing 10,484 files in 889 folders, comprising 2,048,995,328 bytes
on disk.

http://s18.postimg.org/fx3y55j5l/DFS_copy_ops.jpg


2.  Now use PowerShell to copy the partial System32 folder to the same
NTFS partition and time it

PS C:\Users\DFS> measure-command {copy-item
c:\users\dfs\temptest\system32_partial_copy1 c:\users\dfs\temptest\system32_
partial_copy2 -recurse -container}

TotalSeconds      : 38.189692


3.  Now use File Explorer to copy the partial System32 folder to the
same partition and time it

https://youtu.be/ob6XvGbF07U


No evidence of Explorer "preparing" anything.  Took about the same time 
to copy as with Powershell - add a second or two for me to move mouse to 
start the stopwatch.



4. Now boot to Linux and copy the partial System32 from the Windows NTFS
partition to the Linux ext4 partition

dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ cp -r 
/media/dfs/B07CA4417CA40466/Users/DFS/TempTest/system32_partial_copy1 
system32_partial_copy1



5. Now examine the folder

dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ du --max-depth=2
276	./system32_partial_copy1/sv-SE
760	./system32_partial_copy1/migwiz
112	./system32_partial_copy1/winrm
432	./system32_partial_copy1/Printing_Admin_Scripts
220	./system32_partial_copy1/lt-LT
196	./system32_partial_copy1/zh-CN
292	./system32_partial_copy1/fr-FR
1964	./system32_partial_copy1/WinMetadata
280	./system32_partial_copy1/pt-PT
48272	./system32_partial_copy1/catroot
751476	./system32_partial_copy1/DriverStore
268	./system32_partial_copy1/tr-TR
2648	./system32_partial_copy1/migration
2648	./system32_partial_copy1/Speech
192	./system32_partial_copy1/zh-HK
2236	./system32_partial_copy1/AdvancedInstallers
212	./system32_partial_copy1/th-TH
8	./system32_partial_copy1/Recovery
284	./system32_partial_copy1/nl-NL
232	./system32_partial_copy1/wdi
52	./system32_partial_copy1/icsxml
220	./system32_partial_copy1/sl-SI
4	./system32_partial_copy1/config
28	./system32_partial_copy1/sppui
220	./system32_partial_copy1/ja-JP
328	./system32_partial_copy1/Com
1660	./system32_partial_copy1/en
20	./system32_partial_copy1/MUI
44	./system32_partial_copy1/InputMethod
4	./system32_partial_copy1/NDF
296	./system32_partial_copy1/el-GR
276	./system32_partial_copy1/ru-RU
212	./system32_partial_copy1/et-EE
456	./system32_partial_copy1/downlevel
19916	./system32_partial_copy1/IME
16	./system32_partial_copy1/SMI
33364	./system32_partial_copy1/en-US
276	./system32_partial_copy1/cs-CZ
36	./system32_partial_copy1/ras
4728	./system32_partial_copy1/Dism
1344	./system32_partial_copy1/InstallShield
276	./system32_partial_copy1/pt-BR
20	./system32_partial_copy1/0409
268	./system32_partial_copy1/nb-NO
288	./system32_partial_copy1/es-ES
4	./system32_partial_copy1/RasToast
220	./system32_partial_copy1/sk-SK
2548	./system32_partial_copy1/LogFiles
268	./system32_partial_copy1/fi-FI
3416	./system32_partial_copy1/drivers
4	./system32_partial_copy1/networklist
4	./system32_partial_copy1/Tasks
212	./system32_partial_copy1/en-GB
4	./system32_partial_copy1/GroupPolicy
7720	./system32_partial_copy1/WindowsPowerShell
680	./system32_partial_copy1/setup
220	./system32_partial_copy1/sr-Latn-RS
192	./system32_partial_copy1/zh-TW
584	./system32_partial_copy1/spp
56	./system32_partial_copy1/slmgr
264	./system32_partial_copy1/ar-SA
4	./system32_partial_copy1/Ipmi
216	./system32_partial_copy1/lv-LV
56	./system32_partial_copy1/MSDRM
220	./system32_partial_copy1/sr-Latn-CS
13768	./system32_partial_copy1/wbem
224	./system32_partial_copy1/bg-BG
248	./system32_partial_copy1/he-IL
4	./system32_partial_copy1/inetsrv
276	./system32_partial_copy1/hu-HU
272	./system32_partial_copy1/da-DK
220	./system32_partial_copy1/hr-HR
296	./system32_partial_copy1/de-DE
216	./system32_partial_copy1/ko-KR
292	./system32_partial_copy1/it-IT
536	./system32_partial_copy1/oobe
284	./system32_partial_copy1/pl-PL
4	./system32_partial_copy1/GroupPolicyUsers
8	./system32_partial_copy1/sysprep
224	./system32_partial_copy1/ro-RO
4	./system32_partial_copy1/MsDtc
4	./system32_partial_copy1/AppLocker
220	./system32_partial_copy1/uk-UA
13284	./system32_partial_copy1/Macromed
64	./system32_partial_copy1/Licenses
2007324	./system32_partial_copy1
2007328	.



6. Now copy the partial System32 folder to the same ext4 partition and
time it.


dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ time cp -r system32_partial_copy1 /home/dfs/Downloads

real	0m19.412s
user	0m0.077s
sys	0m4.969s



How about that - Linux really did win!

Windows: 38.2 seconds
Linux:   19.4 seconds (~50% faster)



Looks like you don't have to stand up to your wife for a day.  Whew!

And I bet you won't run out and find some bogus benchmarks to challenge 
this one, will you Creepy?

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#291540

From	Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net>
Date	2015-04-25 09:22 -0400
Message-ID	<1ma8yca9ilyew.17ir1xbrhwsf5.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to	#291533

On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 09:16:27 -0400, DFS wrote:

> Creepy: "DFS should try copying large directory hierarchies with
>           hundreds or thousands of files.  It wouldn't suprise me if
>           "Linux" finished copying them while Explorer was still
>           "Preparing to copy files".
> 
> DFS: "It would greatly surprise me.  If Windows wins that comparison,
>        too - and I'm confident it will - will you stand up to your wife
>        for one day?"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Let's test his mewling, using C:\Windows\System32.
> 
> 
> 1.  Make a copy of it:
> 
> PS C:\Users\DFS> measure-command {copy-item c:\windows\system32
> c:\users\dfs\temptest -recurse -container}
> 
> Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\Com\dmp' is denied.
> Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\config' is denied.
> Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\LogFiles\Firewall' is denied.
> Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\LogFiles\Sum' is denied.
> Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\LogFiles\WMI' is denied.
> Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\MsDtc' is denied.
> Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\networklist' is denied.
> Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\Tasks' is denied.
> 
> After copying System32 less the above, I'm left with a partial copy
> containing 10,484 files in 889 folders, comprising 2,048,995,328 bytes
> on disk.
> 
> http://s18.postimg.org/fx3y55j5l/DFS_copy_ops.jpg
> 
> 
> 2.  Now use PowerShell to copy the partial System32 folder to the same
> NTFS partition and time it
> 
> PS C:\Users\DFS> measure-command {copy-item
> c:\users\dfs\temptest\system32_partial_copy1 c:\users\dfs\temptest\system32_
> partial_copy2 -recurse -container}
> 
> TotalSeconds      : 38.189692
> 
> 
> 3.  Now use File Explorer to copy the partial System32 folder to the
> same partition and time it
> 
> https://youtu.be/ob6XvGbF07U
> 
> 
> No evidence of Explorer "preparing" anything.  Took about the same time 
> to copy as with Powershell - add a second or two for me to move mouse to 
> start the stopwatch.
> 
> 
> 
> 4. Now boot to Linux and copy the partial System32 from the Windows NTFS
> partition to the Linux ext4 partition
> 
> dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ cp -r 
> /media/dfs/B07CA4417CA40466/Users/DFS/TempTest/system32_partial_copy1 
> system32_partial_copy1
> 
> 
> 
> 5. Now examine the folder
> 
> dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ du --max-depth=2
> 276	./system32_partial_copy1/sv-SE
> 760	./system32_partial_copy1/migwiz
> 112	./system32_partial_copy1/winrm
> 432	./system32_partial_copy1/Printing_Admin_Scripts
> 220	./system32_partial_copy1/lt-LT
> 196	./system32_partial_copy1/zh-CN
> 292	./system32_partial_copy1/fr-FR
> 1964	./system32_partial_copy1/WinMetadata
> 280	./system32_partial_copy1/pt-PT
> 48272	./system32_partial_copy1/catroot
> 751476	./system32_partial_copy1/DriverStore
> 268	./system32_partial_copy1/tr-TR
> 2648	./system32_partial_copy1/migration
> 2648	./system32_partial_copy1/Speech
> 192	./system32_partial_copy1/zh-HK
> 2236	./system32_partial_copy1/AdvancedInstallers
> 212	./system32_partial_copy1/th-TH
> 8	./system32_partial_copy1/Recovery
> 284	./system32_partial_copy1/nl-NL
> 232	./system32_partial_copy1/wdi
> 52	./system32_partial_copy1/icsxml
> 220	./system32_partial_copy1/sl-SI
> 4	./system32_partial_copy1/config
> 28	./system32_partial_copy1/sppui
> 220	./system32_partial_copy1/ja-JP
> 328	./system32_partial_copy1/Com
> 1660	./system32_partial_copy1/en
> 20	./system32_partial_copy1/MUI
> 44	./system32_partial_copy1/InputMethod
> 4	./system32_partial_copy1/NDF
> 296	./system32_partial_copy1/el-GR
> 276	./system32_partial_copy1/ru-RU
> 212	./system32_partial_copy1/et-EE
> 456	./system32_partial_copy1/downlevel
> 19916	./system32_partial_copy1/IME
> 16	./system32_partial_copy1/SMI
> 33364	./system32_partial_copy1/en-US
> 276	./system32_partial_copy1/cs-CZ
> 36	./system32_partial_copy1/ras
> 4728	./system32_partial_copy1/Dism
> 1344	./system32_partial_copy1/InstallShield
> 276	./system32_partial_copy1/pt-BR
> 20	./system32_partial_copy1/0409
> 268	./system32_partial_copy1/nb-NO
> 288	./system32_partial_copy1/es-ES
> 4	./system32_partial_copy1/RasToast
> 220	./system32_partial_copy1/sk-SK
> 2548	./system32_partial_copy1/LogFiles
> 268	./system32_partial_copy1/fi-FI
> 3416	./system32_partial_copy1/drivers
> 4	./system32_partial_copy1/networklist
> 4	./system32_partial_copy1/Tasks
> 212	./system32_partial_copy1/en-GB
> 4	./system32_partial_copy1/GroupPolicy
> 7720	./system32_partial_copy1/WindowsPowerShell
> 680	./system32_partial_copy1/setup
> 220	./system32_partial_copy1/sr-Latn-RS
> 192	./system32_partial_copy1/zh-TW
> 584	./system32_partial_copy1/spp
> 56	./system32_partial_copy1/slmgr
> 264	./system32_partial_copy1/ar-SA
> 4	./system32_partial_copy1/Ipmi
> 216	./system32_partial_copy1/lv-LV
> 56	./system32_partial_copy1/MSDRM
> 220	./system32_partial_copy1/sr-Latn-CS
> 13768	./system32_partial_copy1/wbem
> 224	./system32_partial_copy1/bg-BG
> 248	./system32_partial_copy1/he-IL
> 4	./system32_partial_copy1/inetsrv
> 276	./system32_partial_copy1/hu-HU
> 272	./system32_partial_copy1/da-DK
> 220	./system32_partial_copy1/hr-HR
> 296	./system32_partial_copy1/de-DE
> 216	./system32_partial_copy1/ko-KR
> 292	./system32_partial_copy1/it-IT
> 536	./system32_partial_copy1/oobe
> 284	./system32_partial_copy1/pl-PL
> 4	./system32_partial_copy1/GroupPolicyUsers
> 8	./system32_partial_copy1/sysprep
> 224	./system32_partial_copy1/ro-RO
> 4	./system32_partial_copy1/MsDtc
> 4	./system32_partial_copy1/AppLocker
> 220	./system32_partial_copy1/uk-UA
> 13284	./system32_partial_copy1/Macromed
> 64	./system32_partial_copy1/Licenses
> 2007324	./system32_partial_copy1
> 2007328	.
> 
> 
> 
> 6. Now copy the partial System32 folder to the same ext4 partition and
> time it.
> 
> 
> dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ time cp -r system32_partial_copy1 /home/dfs/Downloads
> 
> real	0m19.412s
> user	0m0.077s
> sys	0m4.969s
> 
> 
> 
> How about that - Linux really did win!
> 
> Windows: 38.2 seconds
> Linux:   19.4 seconds (~50% faster)
> 
> 
> 
> Looks like you don't have to stand up to your wife for a day.  Whew!
> 
> And I bet you won't run out and find some bogus benchmarks to challenge 
> this one, will you Creepy?

Why did Windows copy 10,484 files and Linux appears to have only
copied a handful of files?
Am I misinterpreting  your data?

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#291541

From	DFS <nospam@dfs.com>
Date	2015-04-25 09:24 -0400
Message-ID	<mhg4h7$rah$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#291540

On 04/25/2015 09:22 AM, Tomas wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 09:16:27 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> Creepy: "DFS should try copying large directory hierarchies with
>>            hundreds or thousands of files.  It wouldn't suprise me if
>>            "Linux" finished copying them while Explorer was still
>>            "Preparing to copy files".
>>
>> DFS: "It would greatly surprise me.  If Windows wins that comparison,
>>         too - and I'm confident it will - will you stand up to your wife
>>         for one day?"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Let's test his mewling, using C:\Windows\System32.
>>
>>
>> 1.  Make a copy of it:
>>
>> PS C:\Users\DFS> measure-command {copy-item c:\windows\system32
>> c:\users\dfs\temptest -recurse -container}
>>
>> Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\Com\dmp' is denied.
>> Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\config' is denied.
>> Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\LogFiles\Firewall' is denied.
>> Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\LogFiles\Sum' is denied.
>> Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\LogFiles\WMI' is denied.
>> Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\MsDtc' is denied.
>> Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\networklist' is denied.
>> Access to the path 'C:\windows\system32\Tasks' is denied.
>>
>> After copying System32 less the above, I'm left with a partial copy
>> containing 10,484 files in 889 folders, comprising 2,048,995,328 bytes
>> on disk.
>>
>> http://s18.postimg.org/fx3y55j5l/DFS_copy_ops.jpg
>>
>>
>> 2.  Now use PowerShell to copy the partial System32 folder to the same
>> NTFS partition and time it
>>
>> PS C:\Users\DFS> measure-command {copy-item
>> c:\users\dfs\temptest\system32_partial_copy1 c:\users\dfs\temptest\system32_
>> partial_copy2 -recurse -container}
>>
>> TotalSeconds      : 38.189692
>>
>>
>> 3.  Now use File Explorer to copy the partial System32 folder to the
>> same partition and time it
>>
>> https://youtu.be/ob6XvGbF07U
>>
>>
>> No evidence of Explorer "preparing" anything.  Took about the same time
>> to copy as with Powershell - add a second or two for me to move mouse to
>> start the stopwatch.
>>
>>
>>
>> 4. Now boot to Linux and copy the partial System32 from the Windows NTFS
>> partition to the Linux ext4 partition
>>
>> dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ cp -r
>> /media/dfs/B07CA4417CA40466/Users/DFS/TempTest/system32_partial_copy1
>> system32_partial_copy1
>>
>>
>>
>> 5. Now examine the folder
>>
>> dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ du --max-depth=2
>> 276	./system32_partial_copy1/sv-SE
>> 760	./system32_partial_copy1/migwiz
>> 112	./system32_partial_copy1/winrm
>> 432	./system32_partial_copy1/Printing_Admin_Scripts
>> 220	./system32_partial_copy1/lt-LT
>> 196	./system32_partial_copy1/zh-CN
>> 292	./system32_partial_copy1/fr-FR
>> 1964	./system32_partial_copy1/WinMetadata
>> 280	./system32_partial_copy1/pt-PT
>> 48272	./system32_partial_copy1/catroot
>> 751476	./system32_partial_copy1/DriverStore
>> 268	./system32_partial_copy1/tr-TR
>> 2648	./system32_partial_copy1/migration
>> 2648	./system32_partial_copy1/Speech
>> 192	./system32_partial_copy1/zh-HK
>> 2236	./system32_partial_copy1/AdvancedInstallers
>> 212	./system32_partial_copy1/th-TH
>> 8	./system32_partial_copy1/Recovery
>> 284	./system32_partial_copy1/nl-NL
>> 232	./system32_partial_copy1/wdi
>> 52	./system32_partial_copy1/icsxml
>> 220	./system32_partial_copy1/sl-SI
>> 4	./system32_partial_copy1/config
>> 28	./system32_partial_copy1/sppui
>> 220	./system32_partial_copy1/ja-JP
>> 328	./system32_partial_copy1/Com
>> 1660	./system32_partial_copy1/en
>> 20	./system32_partial_copy1/MUI
>> 44	./system32_partial_copy1/InputMethod
>> 4	./system32_partial_copy1/NDF
>> 296	./system32_partial_copy1/el-GR
>> 276	./system32_partial_copy1/ru-RU
>> 212	./system32_partial_copy1/et-EE
>> 456	./system32_partial_copy1/downlevel
>> 19916	./system32_partial_copy1/IME
>> 16	./system32_partial_copy1/SMI
>> 33364	./system32_partial_copy1/en-US
>> 276	./system32_partial_copy1/cs-CZ
>> 36	./system32_partial_copy1/ras
>> 4728	./system32_partial_copy1/Dism
>> 1344	./system32_partial_copy1/InstallShield
>> 276	./system32_partial_copy1/pt-BR
>> 20	./system32_partial_copy1/0409
>> 268	./system32_partial_copy1/nb-NO
>> 288	./system32_partial_copy1/es-ES
>> 4	./system32_partial_copy1/RasToast
>> 220	./system32_partial_copy1/sk-SK
>> 2548	./system32_partial_copy1/LogFiles
>> 268	./system32_partial_copy1/fi-FI
>> 3416	./system32_partial_copy1/drivers
>> 4	./system32_partial_copy1/networklist
>> 4	./system32_partial_copy1/Tasks
>> 212	./system32_partial_copy1/en-GB
>> 4	./system32_partial_copy1/GroupPolicy
>> 7720	./system32_partial_copy1/WindowsPowerShell
>> 680	./system32_partial_copy1/setup
>> 220	./system32_partial_copy1/sr-Latn-RS
>> 192	./system32_partial_copy1/zh-TW
>> 584	./system32_partial_copy1/spp
>> 56	./system32_partial_copy1/slmgr
>> 264	./system32_partial_copy1/ar-SA
>> 4	./system32_partial_copy1/Ipmi
>> 216	./system32_partial_copy1/lv-LV
>> 56	./system32_partial_copy1/MSDRM
>> 220	./system32_partial_copy1/sr-Latn-CS
>> 13768	./system32_partial_copy1/wbem
>> 224	./system32_partial_copy1/bg-BG
>> 248	./system32_partial_copy1/he-IL
>> 4	./system32_partial_copy1/inetsrv
>> 276	./system32_partial_copy1/hu-HU
>> 272	./system32_partial_copy1/da-DK
>> 220	./system32_partial_copy1/hr-HR
>> 296	./system32_partial_copy1/de-DE
>> 216	./system32_partial_copy1/ko-KR
>> 292	./system32_partial_copy1/it-IT
>> 536	./system32_partial_copy1/oobe
>> 284	./system32_partial_copy1/pl-PL
>> 4	./system32_partial_copy1/GroupPolicyUsers
>> 8	./system32_partial_copy1/sysprep
>> 224	./system32_partial_copy1/ro-RO
>> 4	./system32_partial_copy1/MsDtc
>> 4	./system32_partial_copy1/AppLocker
>> 220	./system32_partial_copy1/uk-UA
>> 13284	./system32_partial_copy1/Macromed
>> 64	./system32_partial_copy1/Licenses
>> 2007324	./system32_partial_copy1
>> 2007328	.
>>
>>
>>
>> 6. Now copy the partial System32 folder to the same ext4 partition and
>> time it.
>>
>>
>> dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ time cp -r system32_partial_copy1 /home/dfs/Downloads
>>
>> real	0m19.412s
>> user	0m0.077s
>> sys	0m4.969s
>>
>>
>>
>> How about that - Linux really did win!
>>
>> Windows: 38.2 seconds
>> Linux:   19.4 seconds (~50% faster)
>>
>>
>>
>> Looks like you don't have to stand up to your wife for a day.  Whew!
>>
>> And I bet you won't run out and find some bogus benchmarks to challenge
>> this one, will you Creepy?
>
> Why did Windows copy 10,484 files and Linux appears to have only
> copied a handful of files?
> Am I misinterpreting  your data?

You are.  du --max-depth=2 examines directories 2 deep.  I used it just 
to show evidence the whole thing was copied from NTFS to ext4.

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#291548

From	taka0038@gmail.com
Date	2015-04-25 09:12 -0700
Message-ID	<49d62a62-df02-4097-955e-30404364d9bc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#291541

You should compare the top speed copy programs like robocopy (Windoze) and rsync (old good Unix) as well as the network copy speeds:

Linux got NFS which is the winner IMHO

Windoze got slower Samba or worst yet their latest hit Webdav which got the worst speed ever yet increasingly used in this modern Cloudy world ('cause everything is firewalled stupid and only https gets through).

In the old good times of DOS there used to be MS protocol called NetBEUI which was superfast AFAIK

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#291550

From	Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>
Date	2015-04-25 18:22 +0200
Message-ID	<mhgeue$4s1$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#291548

taka0038@gmail.com wrote:

> You should compare the top speed copy programs like robocopy (Windoze) and
> rsync (old good Unix) as well as the network copy speeds:
> 
> Linux got NFS which is the winner IMHO
> 
> Windoze got slower Samba or worst yet their latest hit Webdav which got
> the worst speed ever yet increasingly used in this modern Cloudy world
> ('cause everything is firewalled stupid and only https gets through).
> 
> In the old good times of DOS there used to be MS protocol called NetBEUI
> which was superfast AFAIK

NetBEUI isn't routeable. It only used MAC addresses, no IP
It was only useable for small networks

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#291552

From	owl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date	2015-04-25 16:22 +0000
Message-ID	<nnbjv83.jafo3@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to	#291541

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
> On 04/25/2015 09:22 AM, Tomas wrote:
...

>>
>> Why did Windows copy 10,484 files and Linux appears to have only
>> copied a handful of files?
>> Am I misinterpreting  your data?

> You are.  du --max-depth=2 examines directories 2 deep.  I used it just 
> to show evidence the whole thing was copied from NTFS to ext4.

Can you do one testing how fast Linux copies from NTFS to ext4 compared
to how fast Windows copies from ext4 to NTFS?  Oh wait.  FAIL!

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#291733

From	DFS <nospam@dfs.com>
Date	2015-04-27 00:44 -0400
Message-ID	<mhkepb$hhs$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#291552

On 4/25/2015 12:22 PM, owl wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> On 04/25/2015 09:22 AM, Tomas wrote:
> ...
>
>>>
>>> Why did Windows copy 10,484 files and Linux appears to have only
>>> copied a handful of files?
>>> Am I misinterpreting  your data?
>
>> You are.  du --max-depth=2 examines directories 2 deep.  I used it just
>> to show evidence the whole thing was copied from NTFS to ext4.
>
> Can you do one testing how fast Linux copies from NTFS to ext4 compared
> to how fast Windows copies from ext4 to NTFS?  Oh wait.  FAIL!


In fact, I can do exactly that:

====================================================================

Part 1: How fast does Linux copy from NTFS to ext4?

dfs@mint17 ~/Downloads $ ls -l 
/media/dfs/B07CA4417CA40466/Users/DFS/Downloads/tempTest
total 1445360
-rw------- 1 dfs dfs 1480048640 Apr 27 00:08 Manjaro.iso


dfs@mint17 ~/Downloads $ time cp 
/media/dfs/B07CA4417CA40466/Users/DFS/Downloads/tempTest/Manjaro.iso 
Manjaro.iso

real	0m14.115s
user	0m0.012s
sys	0m3.070s

====================================================================

Part 2: How fast does Windows copy from ext4 to NTFS?

g: is my Linux Mint /home directory, mounted in WinServer2012 using 
Paragon ExtFS for Windows.


Windows PowerShell
PS C:\Users\DFS> dir g:\dfs

Mode                LastWriteTime     Length Name
----                -------------     ------ ----
d----         4/20/2015  12:15 PM            .mozilla
d----         4/23/2015  11:47 PM            .config
d----         4/23/2015  11:47 PM            .cache
d----         4/25/2015   2:44 AM            Desktop
d----         4/25/2015   2:39 AM            Downloads
d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            Templates
d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            Public
d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            Documents
d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            Music
d----         4/20/2015   2:58 PM            Pictures
d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            Videos
d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            .dbus
d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            .local
d----         4/25/2015   1:45 AM            .gconf
d----         4/20/2015  12:15 PM            .gnome2
d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            .linuxmint
d----         4/25/2015   1:45 AM            .cinnamon
d----         4/20/2015  12:15 PM            .gnome2_private
d----         4/20/2015  12:25 PM            .thunderbird
d----         4/20/2015   2:27 PM            .opera
d----         4/20/2015   1:56 PM            .gstreamer-0.10
d----         4/23/2015  11:47 PM            .pki
-a---         4/20/2015  11:15 AM        675 .profile
-a---         4/20/2015  11:15 AM        220 .bash_logout
-a---         4/25/2015   9:25 AM      80950 .xsession-errors
-a---         4/25/2015   1:45 AM         28 .dmrc
-a---         4/25/2015   1:45 AM       1590 .ICEauthority
-a---         4/22/2015   9:25 PM          0 .gksu.lock
-a---         4/25/2015   2:44 AM       1996 .bash_history

PS C:\Users\DFS> dir g:\dfs\Downloads

Mode                LastWriteTime     Length Name
----                -------------     ------ ----
-a---         4/27/2015  12:08 AM 1480048640 Manjaro.iso


PS C:\Users\DFS> measure-command {copy-item g:\dfs\Downloads\Manjaro.iso 
C:\Users\DFS\Downloads\tempTest\}

TotalSeconds      : 15.1843035

====================================================================


Linux copy from NTFS to ext4   = 14.115 seconds
Windows copy from ext4 to NTFS = 15.184 seconds  (7.6% slower)
owl copy from ass to mouth     =  0.001 seconds  (speed of light)

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#291735

From	owl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date	2015-04-27 05:24 +0000
Message-ID	<nbhvurio.jfa3@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to	#291733

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
> On 4/25/2015 12:22 PM, owl wrote:
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>> On 04/25/2015 09:22 AM, Tomas wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>>>
>>>> Why did Windows copy 10,484 files and Linux appears to have only
>>>> copied a handful of files?
>>>> Am I misinterpreting  your data?
>>
>>> You are.  du --max-depth=2 examines directories 2 deep.  I used it just
>>> to show evidence the whole thing was copied from NTFS to ext4.
>>
>> Can you do one testing how fast Linux copies from NTFS to ext4 compared
>> to how fast Windows copies from ext4 to NTFS?  Oh wait.  FAIL!


> In fact, I can do exactly that:

> ====================================================================

> Part 1: How fast does Linux copy from NTFS to ext4?

> dfs@mint17 ~/Downloads $ ls -l 
> /media/dfs/B07CA4417CA40466/Users/DFS/Downloads/tempTest
> total 1445360
> -rw------- 1 dfs dfs 1480048640 Apr 27 00:08 Manjaro.iso


> dfs@mint17 ~/Downloads $ time cp 
> /media/dfs/B07CA4417CA40466/Users/DFS/Downloads/tempTest/Manjaro.iso 
> Manjaro.iso

> real	0m14.115s
> user	0m0.012s
> sys	0m3.070s

> ====================================================================

> Part 2: How fast does Windows copy from ext4 to NTFS?

> g: is my Linux Mint /home directory, mounted in WinServer2012 using 
> Paragon ExtFS for Windows.


> Windows PowerShell
> PS C:\Users\DFS> dir g:\dfs

> Mode                LastWriteTime     Length Name
> ----                -------------     ------ ----
> d----         4/20/2015  12:15 PM            .mozilla
> d----         4/23/2015  11:47 PM            .config
> d----         4/23/2015  11:47 PM            .cache
> d----         4/25/2015   2:44 AM            Desktop
> d----         4/25/2015   2:39 AM            Downloads
> d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            Templates
> d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            Public
> d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            Documents
> d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            Music
> d----         4/20/2015   2:58 PM            Pictures
> d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            Videos
> d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            .dbus
> d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            .local
> d----         4/25/2015   1:45 AM            .gconf
> d----         4/20/2015  12:15 PM            .gnome2
> d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            .linuxmint
> d----         4/25/2015   1:45 AM            .cinnamon
> d----         4/20/2015  12:15 PM            .gnome2_private
> d----         4/20/2015  12:25 PM            .thunderbird
> d----         4/20/2015   2:27 PM            .opera
> d----         4/20/2015   1:56 PM            .gstreamer-0.10
> d----         4/23/2015  11:47 PM            .pki
> -a---         4/20/2015  11:15 AM        675 .profile
> -a---         4/20/2015  11:15 AM        220 .bash_logout
> -a---         4/25/2015   9:25 AM      80950 .xsession-errors
> -a---         4/25/2015   1:45 AM         28 .dmrc
> -a---         4/25/2015   1:45 AM       1590 .ICEauthority
> -a---         4/22/2015   9:25 PM          0 .gksu.lock
> -a---         4/25/2015   2:44 AM       1996 .bash_history

> PS C:\Users\DFS> dir g:\dfs\Downloads

> Mode                LastWriteTime     Length Name
> ----                -------------     ------ ----
> -a---         4/27/2015  12:08 AM 1480048640 Manjaro.iso


> PS C:\Users\DFS> measure-command {copy-item g:\dfs\Downloads\Manjaro.iso 
> C:\Users\DFS\Downloads\tempTest\}

> TotalSeconds      : 15.1843035

> ====================================================================


> Linux copy from NTFS to ext4   = 14.115 seconds
> Windows copy from ext4 to NTFS = 15.184 seconds  (7.6% slower)
> owl copy from ass to mouth     =  0.001 seconds  (speed of light)

OK, but...

http://download.cnet.com/Paragon-ExtFS-for-Windows/3000-2094_4-75956677.html#userReviews
<quote>
"Easy to use, but corrupted many of my files" March 08, 2015  |  By frekri  |  Version: Paragon ExtFS for Windows 2.0.395
Pros
Easy to install and setup.

Cons
This software corrupted many of my files on my ext4 file system when I copied files from NTFS to ext4.
</quote>

So use it to try a copy from NTFS to ext4 and see if anything breaks.

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#291736

From	owl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date	2015-04-27 05:30 +0000
Message-ID	<jjgnvhd83.ajdfo@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to	#291735

owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> On 4/25/2015 12:22 PM, owl wrote:
>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>> On 04/25/2015 09:22 AM, Tomas wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why did Windows copy 10,484 files and Linux appears to have only
>>>>> copied a handful of files?
>>>>> Am I misinterpreting  your data?
>>>
>>>> You are.  du --max-depth=2 examines directories 2 deep.  I used it just
>>>> to show evidence the whole thing was copied from NTFS to ext4.
>>>
>>> Can you do one testing how fast Linux copies from NTFS to ext4 compared
>>> to how fast Windows copies from ext4 to NTFS?  Oh wait.  FAIL!


>> In fact, I can do exactly that:

>> ====================================================================

>> Part 1: How fast does Linux copy from NTFS to ext4?

>> dfs@mint17 ~/Downloads $ ls -l 
>> /media/dfs/B07CA4417CA40466/Users/DFS/Downloads/tempTest
>> total 1445360
>> -rw------- 1 dfs dfs 1480048640 Apr 27 00:08 Manjaro.iso


>> dfs@mint17 ~/Downloads $ time cp 
>> /media/dfs/B07CA4417CA40466/Users/DFS/Downloads/tempTest/Manjaro.iso 
>> Manjaro.iso

>> real	0m14.115s
>> user	0m0.012s
>> sys	0m3.070s

>> ====================================================================

>> Part 2: How fast does Windows copy from ext4 to NTFS?

>> g: is my Linux Mint /home directory, mounted in WinServer2012 using 
>> Paragon ExtFS for Windows.


>> Windows PowerShell
>> PS C:\Users\DFS> dir g:\dfs

>> Mode                LastWriteTime     Length Name
>> ----                -------------     ------ ----
>> d----         4/20/2015  12:15 PM            .mozilla
>> d----         4/23/2015  11:47 PM            .config
>> d----         4/23/2015  11:47 PM            .cache
>> d----         4/25/2015   2:44 AM            Desktop
>> d----         4/25/2015   2:39 AM            Downloads
>> d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            Templates
>> d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            Public
>> d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            Documents
>> d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            Music
>> d----         4/20/2015   2:58 PM            Pictures
>> d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            Videos
>> d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            .dbus
>> d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            .local
>> d----         4/25/2015   1:45 AM            .gconf
>> d----         4/20/2015  12:15 PM            .gnome2
>> d----         4/20/2015  12:14 PM            .linuxmint
>> d----         4/25/2015   1:45 AM            .cinnamon
>> d----         4/20/2015  12:15 PM            .gnome2_private
>> d----         4/20/2015  12:25 PM            .thunderbird
>> d----         4/20/2015   2:27 PM            .opera
>> d----         4/20/2015   1:56 PM            .gstreamer-0.10
>> d----         4/23/2015  11:47 PM            .pki
>> -a---         4/20/2015  11:15 AM        675 .profile
>> -a---         4/20/2015  11:15 AM        220 .bash_logout
>> -a---         4/25/2015   9:25 AM      80950 .xsession-errors
>> -a---         4/25/2015   1:45 AM         28 .dmrc
>> -a---         4/25/2015   1:45 AM       1590 .ICEauthority
>> -a---         4/22/2015   9:25 PM          0 .gksu.lock
>> -a---         4/25/2015   2:44 AM       1996 .bash_history

>> PS C:\Users\DFS> dir g:\dfs\Downloads

>> Mode                LastWriteTime     Length Name
>> ----                -------------     ------ ----
>> -a---         4/27/2015  12:08 AM 1480048640 Manjaro.iso


>> PS C:\Users\DFS> measure-command {copy-item g:\dfs\Downloads\Manjaro.iso 
>> C:\Users\DFS\Downloads\tempTest\}

>> TotalSeconds      : 15.1843035

>> ====================================================================


>> Linux copy from NTFS to ext4   = 14.115 seconds
>> Windows copy from ext4 to NTFS = 15.184 seconds  (7.6% slower)
>> owl copy from ass to mouth     =  0.001 seconds  (speed of light)

> OK, but...

> http://download.cnet.com/Paragon-ExtFS-for-Windows/3000-2094_4-75956677.html#userReviews
> <quote>
> "Easy to use, but corrupted many of my files" March 08, 2015  |  By frekri  |  Version: Paragon ExtFS for Windows 2.0.395
> Pros
> Easy to install and setup.

> Cons
> This software corrupted many of my files on my ext4 file system when I copied files from NTFS to ext4.
> </quote>

> So use it to try a copy from NTFS to ext4 and see if anything breaks.

http://www.hecticgeek.com/2014/02/extfs-windows-corrupts-ext4-windows-8/
<quote>
15 thoughts on â€œâ€˜ExtFS for Windowsâ€™ Corrupts Ext4 File Systems Under Windows 8!â€
</quote>

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#291764

From	DFS <nospam@dfs.com>
Date	2015-04-27 08:41 -0400
Message-ID	<mhlaod$cl3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#291735

On 4/27/2015 1:24 AM, owl wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:


>> Linux copy from NTFS to ext4   = 14.115 seconds
>> Windows copy from ext4 to NTFS = 15.184 seconds  (7.6% slower)
>> owl copy from ass to mouth     =  0.001 seconds  (speed of light)
>
> OK, but...


pwned!

And quit talking to your ass.




> http://download.cnet.com/Paragon-ExtFS-for-Windows/3000-2094_4-75956677.html#userReviews
>
>
<quote>
>
>
"Easy to use, but corrupted many of my files" March 08, 2015  |  By
> frekri  |  Version: Paragon ExtFS for Windows 2.0.395 Pros Easy to
> install and setup.
>
> Cons This software corrupted many of my files on my ext4 file system
> when I copied files from NTFS to ext4. </quote>
>
> So use it to try a copy from NTFS to ext4 and see if anything
> breaks.

I used Paragon a good bit last year, and at some point I believe it DID
corrupt my /home partition.  As I recall, it rendered it unrecognizable
in Linux and Windows.

I found the problem.  The 'dokan' library used by the Paragon driver is 
GPL hobbyware - always a bad sign.

https://code.google.com/p/dokan/source/browse/#svn/tags/dokan-0.6.0

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#291817

From	owl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date	2015-04-27 16:42 +0000
Message-ID	<nvbhxu8c.pfa@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to	#291764

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
> On 4/27/2015 1:24 AM, owl wrote:
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:


>>> Linux copy from NTFS to ext4   = 14.115 seconds
>>> Windows copy from ext4 to NTFS = 15.184 seconds  (7.6% slower)
>>> owl copy from ass to mouth     =  0.001 seconds  (speed of light)
>>
>> OK, but...


> pwned!

> And quit talking to your ass.




>> http://download.cnet.com/Paragon-ExtFS-for-Windows/3000-2094_4-75956677.html#userReviews
>>
>>
> <quote>
>>
>>
> "Easy to use, but corrupted many of my files" March 08, 2015  |  By
>> frekri  |  Version: Paragon ExtFS for Windows 2.0.395 Pros Easy to
>> install and setup.
>>
>> Cons This software corrupted many of my files on my ext4 file system
>> when I copied files from NTFS to ext4. </quote>
>>
>> So use it to try a copy from NTFS to ext4 and see if anything
>> breaks.

> I used Paragon a good bit last year, and at some point I believe it DID
> corrupt my /home partition.  As I recall, it rendered it unrecognizable
> in Linux and Windows.

> I found the problem.  The 'dokan' library used by the Paragon driver is 
> GPL hobbyware - always a bad sign.

> https://code.google.com/p/dokan/source/browse/#svn/tags/dokan-0.6.0

So you used this software last year and found it to be broken.
Solution: recommend it to others!
Windoze:  when broken means good enough.

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#291947

From	DFS <nospam@dfs.com>
Date	2015-04-28 07:27 -0400
Message-ID	<mhnqq3$a1e$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#291817

On 4/27/2015 12:42 PM, owl wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> On 4/27/2015 1:24 AM, owl wrote:
>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>> Linux copy from NTFS to ext4   = 14.115 seconds
>>>> Windows copy from ext4 to NTFS = 15.184 seconds  (7.6% slower)
>>>> owl copy from ass to mouth     =  0.001 seconds  (speed of light)
>>>
>>> OK, but...
>
>
>> pwned!
>
>> And quit talking to your ass.
>
>
>
>
>>> http://download.cnet.com/Paragon-ExtFS-for-Windows/3000-2094_4-75956677.html#userReviews
>>>
>>>
>> <quote>
>>>
>>>
>> "Easy to use, but corrupted many of my files" March 08, 2015  |  By
>>> frekri  |  Version: Paragon ExtFS for Windows 2.0.395 Pros Easy to
>>> install and setup.
>>>
>>> Cons This software corrupted many of my files on my ext4 file system
>>> when I copied files from NTFS to ext4. </quote>
>>>
>>> So use it to try a copy from NTFS to ext4 and see if anything
>>> breaks.
>
>> I used Paragon a good bit last year, and at some point I believe it DID
>> corrupt my /home partition.  As I recall, it rendered it unrecognizable
>> in Linux and Windows.
>
>> I found the problem.  The 'dokan' library used by the Paragon driver is
>> GPL hobbyware - always a bad sign.
>
>> https://code.google.com/p/dokan/source/browse/#svn/tags/dokan-0.6.0
>
> So you used this software last year and found it to be broken.
> Solution: recommend it to others!

That's what you Linux "advocates" have been doing for 2 decades.



> Windoze:  when broken means good enough.


Windows is just the kernel.

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#291556 — Copying System32, my Win8 SSD is three times faster than @DFS's.

From	Jeff-Relf.Me <@.>
Date	2015-04-25 10:26 -0700
Subject	Copying System32, my Win8 SSD is three times faster than @DFS's.
Message-ID	<Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.25{10.26A.Seattle.2015}>
In reply to	#291533

<PRE Style='Font-Family: OCR A !important;'><big><big> 
@DFS wrote:
> After copying System32 less the above, I'm left with a partial copy
> containing 10,484 files in 889 folders, comprising 2,048,995,328 bytes.
>    [...]
> TotalSeconds      : 38.189692

Copying System32, my Win8 SSD is three times faster than @DFS's.
13.2 seconds ( ( 60 + 3.73 - 36.42 ) * 2048995328 / 4227047213 ).

  xcopy /q /c /s  \Windows\System32  \__\test\
  4,227,047,213 bytes, 13,209 Files, 1,185 Folders
  13 files not copied due to "Sharing Violations".

  In a .BAT file:

    echo %time% &&  xcopy /q /c /s  \__\test  \__\test2\
    echo %time%
    pause

  Results:

    10:12:36.42                                                                                                                                                                                                         
    13209 File(s) copied                                                                                                                                                                                                
    10:13:03.73

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#291533 — Linux 50% faster bullshit

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#291947

#291556 — Copying System32, my Win8 SSD is three times faster than @DFS's.