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Killer price on a mini PC

Started by"Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com>
First post2026-09-15 21:48 -0400
Last post2026-09-18 18:25 -0700
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  Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 21:48 -0400
    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-16 03:17 +0000
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 23:35 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 21:29 -0700
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 01:51 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 09:36 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 12:03 -0700
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 01:49 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 02:44 -0700
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-21 20:29 +1000
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:45 +0100
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 02:30 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:38 +1000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:43 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:47 +1000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:54 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 17:59 +0100
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:38 -0400
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:13 -0700
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:22 +0000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 01:54 -0700
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 06:56 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 07:19 +0000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 01:54 -0700
    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:24 -0400
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-16 12:36 +0100
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-16 10:11 -0400
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 12:20 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:58 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 13:26 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-18 00:49 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:10 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 20:01 +0000
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 16:23 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:42 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 18:09 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 23:02 +0000
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 19:27 -0400
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 01:08 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 00:33 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-18 21:20 +0100
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-18 16:05 -0500
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 17:09 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-18 17:19 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:47 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-18 23:13 +0100
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-19 19:56 +1000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 09:42 -0400
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-20 21:24 +1000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:18 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 04:51 -0400
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-21 19:18 +1000
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 13:13 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:33 +0100
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 18:46 -0400
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:12 +0000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:52 +1000
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 20:02 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 21:21 +1000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-19 18:33 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-19 21:24 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-20 04:03 -0400
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 04:21 -0400
                            screen shape/orientation (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:31 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:45 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:57 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:39 +0100
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 15:04 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:29 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 22:47 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-20 20:36 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:14 +0100
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-20 11:26 -0500
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:32 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 06:16 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:41 +0000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:30 +0100
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:57 +1000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:01 -0400
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 17:19 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:02 -0500
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 19:23 -0400
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:30 +0000
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-22 06:14 -0500
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 18:12 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:12 +0200
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:47 +0100
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:29 +0200
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:26 +0000
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:36 +0100
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:44 +0000
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:29 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:34 +0100
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 08:28 -0400
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:49 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:40 +0200
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 07:43 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:38 +0200
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:11 +0000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 19:55 +0200
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-23 19:20 +0100
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 00:27 -0400
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:31 +0000
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-25 09:18 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 11:05 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:18 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:13 -0400
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 18:55 +0100
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 20:43 +1000
                                                    Gigaset M740AV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 20:25 +0200
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 13:43 +0000
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 20:39 +0200
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 06:51 +0000
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:24 +0100
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:11 +0200
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 11:18 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:41 +0200
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-25 11:57 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:48 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:25 +0000
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:46 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 16:47 +0000
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:28 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:33 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:03 +0000
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:42 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:34 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:36 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:14 +0100
                                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:39 +0100
                                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-26 17:14 -0500
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 22:16 -0400
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:24 +0100
                                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:37 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:42 +0100
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:32 +0100
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +1000
                                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:46 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:03 +0000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:16 +0000
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 07:19 +0000
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:37 +0100
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:38 +0100
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:32 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 00:10 +0000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 21:46 +0000
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 23:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 08:12 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:05 +0000
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-28 20:46 +1000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 12:03 +0100
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 17:37 +0000
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-26 19:14 -0400
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:10 +0000
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 02:20 -0400
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 07:50 +0100
                                          OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 18:59 +0100
                                            Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:52 +0000
                                              Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-23 02:29 -0400
                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:50 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:40 +0200
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:38 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 19:46 -0400
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:04 -0400
                                            OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 06:45 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 04:10 -0400
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:39 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 13:17 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:23 +0100
                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:44 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:39 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:11 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-26 11:47 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:08 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:58 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:30 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-26 19:10 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:02 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:03 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:26 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-28 15:45 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:30 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:46 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:25 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 16:40 +0100
                                                                                    OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 16:58 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:57 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:00 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) André Coutanche <acoutanche@gmx.co.uk> - 2026-09-29 21:50 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:33 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 22:48 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:07 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - Lehrer John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 15:51 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 21:02 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:22 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:01 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 10:57 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 08:10 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:39 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-30 00:46 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:39 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:25 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 13:34 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:31 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 14:47 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:58 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:36 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:12 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:35 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 16:14 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:35 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:53 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 19:03 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 21:50 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:25 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer marika <marika5000@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 00:03 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:13 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:51 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:55 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-30 14:15 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +1000
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:52 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:13 +1000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2026-10-08 21:51 +0200
                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 11:56 -0400
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:28 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 15:28 -0400
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 10:19 +0200
                                                                      [OT] - audio distribution, Rediffusion-style (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:43 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 11:44 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:12 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 18:12 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-27 18:23 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:34 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:46 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-29 12:01 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:05 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:13 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Other John <nomail@here.org> - 2026-09-29 16:53 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:12 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:23 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-30 07:37 -0400
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:28 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:35 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:15 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:15 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:50 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:24 +0200
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-01 17:17 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:48 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 13:32 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:52 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-03 21:10 +1000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:39 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:11 -0400
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-04 21:26 +1100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:19 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:36 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:18 +0200
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 12:47 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 12:50 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:09 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 15:59 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-03 15:56 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 17:19 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:54 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:27 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 07:55 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:54 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:17 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-05 11:29 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-05 11:46 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-06 17:51 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 18:58 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 20:36 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-07 09:00 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:04 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:21 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-07 11:54 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:37 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:51 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:04 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-08 22:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:15 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:22 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:33 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:20 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 01:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:32 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 00:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:29 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:20 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:32 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-09 23:08 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:34 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 19:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 21:56 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 01:08 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-10 03:38 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:35 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-10 12:44 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-10 13:29 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:30 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:00 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:06 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:02 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 17:53 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:56 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-08 19:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:10 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:54 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:40 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:02 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 12:47 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 00:23 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 18:41 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-03 22:52 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-03 21:24 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 08:08 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-04 09:29 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:54 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:15 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:27 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:13 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:19 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:57 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 13:54 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:34 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:22 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:37 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:37 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:50 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 13:08 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:50 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 03:29 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:53 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 03:32 -0400
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:49 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:57 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:19 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:34 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:51 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:52 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 07:52 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 03:15 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:51 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:16 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:12 +0200
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:06 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:50 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 01:31 +0000
                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:21 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:26 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:26 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:37 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 00:03 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:15 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:16 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:48 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:16 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:07 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:20 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:18 +0200
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:06 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:25 +0200
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:32 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:22 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:34 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:50 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:25 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:25 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:32 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:30 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 15:04 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:39 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:13 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-28 09:39 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 11:26 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 13:04 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:42 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 16:45 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:53 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 19:26 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:25 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 09:43 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:56 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 10:41 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:02 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 13:39 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:04 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 14:19 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:47 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 20:01 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:06 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:25 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 01:15 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Carlos <crazyhotwrse8@stinty.org> - 2026-10-03 20:41 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 21:28 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 17:16 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:50 +0100
                                                                                                              [OT] - power (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 19:05 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 19:15 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] - power "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:00 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] - power c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:30 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:47 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] - power Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-30 13:28 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:24 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-29 14:58 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:04 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:52 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:01 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:36 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:55 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 03:57 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 10:40 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 11:29 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:59 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:25 +0100
                                                                                                                  [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 23:54 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 00:57 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 08:51 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 04:40 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:19 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:20 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 19:32 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 20:02 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 19:03 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-05 06:40 -0500
                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 20:18 +1000
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:54 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 03:52 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:41 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:36 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 20:58 +1000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:56 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-24 22:24 +1000
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:07 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 12:53 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:09 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 18:56 +0000
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 10:01 +0100
                                              OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 14:42 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:04 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 15:55 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:18 +0100
                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:50 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:34 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:10 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:29 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 05:12 +0000
                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 21:30 +1000
                                                        Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-25 19:54 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:14 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:38 +0000
                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:06 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:16 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:30 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:24 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:35 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:02 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:09 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0200
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:46 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:22 +0200
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:00 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:49 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 18:46 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:55 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:50 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:35 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:19 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:22 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:20 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:57 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:22 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:43 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:21 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:19 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:25 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:12 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 00:48 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:09 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:49 +0200
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:02 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 22:18 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:33 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 07:07 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:33 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:59 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:02 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:28 +0200
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:28 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 21:03 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:27 +0000
                                                Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:04 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 16:28 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:51 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:20 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 18:26 +0000
                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:20 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 18:44 +0000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-22 16:05 +0000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 18:31 +0000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:45 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:41 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:09 +0100
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:14 -0400
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:10 +0000
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 21:55 -0400
                                                      OT - TV (now radio) (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 09:49 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:32 +0200
                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:30 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:36 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:55 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:10 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:09 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:45 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 18:16 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:58 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:05 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:07 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:28 -0400
                                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 01:07 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:41 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 22:27 -0400
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 03:10 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:39 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 19:36 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 18:27 -0400
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:27 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 13:38 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 15:15 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 17:52 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:49 -0400
                                                                                  [OT] = X-rays and medical costs (was: Re: OT - TV (now radio)) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 20:16 +0100
                                                                                    Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs (was: Re: OT - TV (now radio)) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-01 22:35 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:22 -0400
                                                                                        Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 06:58 +0100
                                                                                          Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 02:21 -0400
                                                                                            Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:33 +0100
                                                                                              Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-10-02 13:47 +0100
                                                                                                Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 15:17 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-10-02 16:07 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 01:54 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 10:06 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 01:53 -0400
                                                                                                Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:55 -0400
                                                                                              Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:33 -0400
                                                                                            Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 13:51 +0100
                                                                                              Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 00:14 -0400
                                                                                          Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 17:34 +0000
                                                                                        Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 11:35 +0200
                                                                                          Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 20:57 -0400
                                                                                            Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 12:31 +0200
                                                                                              Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:26 +0100
                                                                                                Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:24 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 23:39 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 02:14 +0200
                                                                                                Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:40 -0400
                                                                                              Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:02 -0400
                                                                                                Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 03:52 +0000
                                                                                    Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:28 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 21:55 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:28 -0400
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 03:04 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:39 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 22:03 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:33 -0400
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 07:08 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:55 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:31 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:08 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:41 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:46 -0400
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:52 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:40 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:44 -0400
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-03 05:00 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:48 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 12:35 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:12 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:19 +0200
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:34 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 21:46 -0400
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 16:07 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:42 -0400
                                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:50 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 03:32 -0400
                                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:37 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 22:10 +0200
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:45 -0400
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 11:41 +0200
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:08 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:06 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:33 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-27 16:23 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:34 +0200
                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:59 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-28 13:37 -0400
                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:27 +0200
                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:29 +0100
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:55 +0000
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-28 01:28 -0400
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 07:12 +0000
                                                            OT - electronic tinkering (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 17:19 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - electronic tinkering (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:26 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - electronic tinkering (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 18:57 +0000
                                                                  Re: OT - electronic tinkering (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 05:51 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - electronic tinkering (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:47 +0000
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:18 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-23 17:28 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:21 +0100
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 18:26 +0000
                                                  OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 20:08 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 21:45 +1000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 20:05 +0000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:22 +0100
                                                    OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:43 +0100
                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:43 +0100
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:25 +0000
                                              OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:57 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 21:13 +0200
                                                Re: OT - TV Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-24 17:47 -0500
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:53 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:51 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-22 08:22 +0000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 19:01 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 07:19 +0000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:32 +0000
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:50 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-23 18:40 +0000
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:10 +1000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:49 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:20 +0200
                                        OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 19:13 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:59 +0000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-22 02:20 -0400
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:16 +1000
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:52 +0100
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:35 +0000
                                          OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 19:51 +0100
                                            Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 08:16 +0000
                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 15:07 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:28 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:30 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:07 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-25 21:52 +0000
                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 22:15 +0000
                                                    Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 02:17 -0400
                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 10:11 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-03 08:20 +0000
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 10:10 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 23:18 -0400
                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 07:41 +0000
                                                    Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 23:44 -0400
                                                      Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-05 00:45 -0400
                                                        Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 03:06 -0400
                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 07:34 +0000
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 09:10 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:28 +0200
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:00 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:03 +0000
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:33 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-05 23:44 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:37 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:09 +0200
                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-06 06:33 -0400
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:59 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:25 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:44 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:04 -0400
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:21 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 18:31 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-07 01:20 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:08 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 03:24 -0400
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:42 +0200
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:40 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 17:30 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:42 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 01:10 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-10 10:03 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 19:39 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:53 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 19:41 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:15 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:29 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:56 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:08 +0200
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:39 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:20 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:43 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 15:23 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:17 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 15:26 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:45 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 16:01 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-06 18:00 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:06 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 18:03 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-07 06:47 -0500
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:06 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 13:31 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:18 -0400
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 19:05 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-07 15:59 -0500
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 07:50 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-08 06:58 -0500
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-08 14:44 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-09 06:51 -0500
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 12:07 +0200
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 11:17 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:48 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-09 16:23 -0500
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-10 02:43 -0400
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:56 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:36 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:59 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 00:20 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-09 06:37 -0500
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:45 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-09 16:15 -0500
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-10 03:09 -0400
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-10 10:05 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-10 10:05 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:38 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-09 16:06 -0500
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 14:05 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:47 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-09 17:02 -0500
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 00:50 +0000
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 19:05 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:07 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 18:35 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-06 18:17 +0000
                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 03:48 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-07 06:55 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-07 03:31 -0400
                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 17:39 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:03 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-06 06:57 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:39 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 03:52 +0000
                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 12:39 +0200
                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:53 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:44 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:11 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:47 +0100
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:46 +0000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:13 +0100
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:22 +0000
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:23 -0400
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 10:17 +0100
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 21:36 -0400
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:27 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-27 03:59 -0400
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:08 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:39 +0000
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:40 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:28 +1000
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:43 +0000
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:26 +0000
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 09:55 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:43 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-28 01:31 -0400
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-23 19:05 +0000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:50 +0000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 22:26 +1000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:56 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 23:35 +1000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-20 21:29 +1000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-20 16:56 +0000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-20 18:20 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-20 18:22 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-20 20:14 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 06:34 -0400
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:57 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 23:56 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:34 +0100
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:35 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:20 +0000
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:32 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:45 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:52 +0000
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-19 00:37 +0000
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-19 20:02 +1000
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-19 07:45 -0400
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-19 19:50 +0000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:43 +0000
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-09-19 08:52 +0200
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:41 +0000
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-19 17:48 +0000
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 18:56 +0100
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 14:45 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:37 +0100
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-19 21:42 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-20 01:35 +0000
                  Reminiscing re laptops (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:45 +0100
                    Re: Reminiscing re laptops (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-20 17:52 +0000
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-20 09:46 +0000
    Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 13:59 -0700
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 17:06 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 18:30 -0700
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 21:37 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 00:39 -0700
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 09:06 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 04:19 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 14:28 -0700
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:59 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 17:06 -0700
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-09-19 00:23 +0000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-19 11:00 +0000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-19 11:09 +0000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 18:04 -0700
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-19 08:21 -0400
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#723407 — Re: OT - TV

FromJMB99 <mb@nospam.net>
Date2026-10-07 09:00 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a4u79$2lnse$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723372
On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been using 
> batteries and continue to do so.



At least most are 'hybrids'.  The Greenie purists don't like hybrids.

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#723409 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-07 11:04 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a55g7$2nipf$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723407
On 07/10/2026 09:00, JMB99 wrote:
> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been using 
>> batteries and continue to do so.
> 
> 
> 
> At least most are 'hybrids'.  The Greenie purists don't like hybrids.

Of course not. Hybrids actually are practical and mostly work. And 
certainly reduce urban emissions mightily

And you get a good balance between massive acceleration for e,g, 
overtaking and having fun, with decent fuel economy in a stop start 
scenario, and no worse economy than a similar turbodiesel etc on a long 
constant speed run.


-- 
“Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of 
a car with the cramped public exposure of 
an airplane.”

Dennis Miller

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#723411 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-07 12:21 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nimkp8F7onlU5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#723409
On 2026-10-07 12:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/10/2026 09:00, JMB99 wrote:
>> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been 
>>> using batteries and continue to do so.
>>
>>
>>
>> At least most are 'hybrids'.  The Greenie purists don't like hybrids.
> 
> Of course not. Hybrids actually are practical and mostly work. And 
> certainly reduce urban emissions mightily
> 
> And you get a good balance between massive acceleration for e,g, 
> overtaking and having fun, with decent fuel economy in a stop start 
> scenario, and no worse economy than a similar turbodiesel etc on a long 
> constant speed run.

That's the theory. I have been a fan of hybrids for decades. But they 
have been perverted: huge cars with tiny batteries that drink gasoline 
as cossacks, yet get the ECO label.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#723413 — Re: OT - TV

FromJohn Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>
Date2026-10-07 11:54 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nimmmgF8q0lU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#723411
On 07/10/2026 11:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-10-07 12:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 07/10/2026 09:00, JMB99 wrote:
>>> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been
>>>> using batteries and continue to do so.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At least most are 'hybrids'.  The Greenie purists don't like hybrids.
>>
>> Of course not. Hybrids actually are practical and mostly work. And
>> certainly reduce urban emissions mightily
>>
>> And you get a good balance between massive acceleration for e,g,
>> overtaking and having fun, with decent fuel economy in a stop start
>> scenario, and no worse economy than a similar turbodiesel etc on a
>> long constant speed run.
>
> That's the theory. I have been a fan of hybrids for decades. But they
> have been perverted: huge cars with tiny batteries that drink gasoline
> as cossacks, yet get the ECO label.
>
Hybrids are intended for use in traffic with frequent stops and starts. 
The engine only needs enough power to keep it rolling at its maximum 
speed. The battery only needs to hold enough energy to help accelerate 
it away to the sped limit from a stop once or twice. As the IC engine is 
small, it is working at close to its maximum efficiency most of the 
time, as against the traditional vehicle engine which is pretty close to 
idling except for a few seconds as you pull away for the lights. This is 
why the early Toyota Prius taxis could get up to 50 mpg round town and 
still pull away very quickly. Small engine, big motor and a battery that 
was almost fully cycled at every junction.

A well designed hybrid will also recover kinetic energy when you slow down.

"Plug in" hybrids are, basically, an electric vehicle with a range 
extender. They use the IC engine at high speed out of town and the 
electric motor in town to reduce local emissions.

For long fast trips out of town, you still need a big engine, and the 
battery is more or less a waste of space. A bus company I used to work 
for discovered this the expensive way when they bought a batch of hybrid 
buses for a new inter town route, The engines were over worked when they 
were out of town so they were using more fuel than the normal ones, and 
the overload also caused problems witn reliability.
-- 
Tciao for Now!

John.

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#723416 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-07 12:37 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a5at8$2nipf$18@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723413
On 07/10/2026 11:54, John Williamson wrote:
> On 07/10/2026 11:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-10-07 12:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 07/10/2026 09:00, JMB99 wrote:
>>>> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been
>>>>> using batteries and continue to do so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At least most are 'hybrids'.  The Greenie purists don't like hybrids.
>>>
>>> Of course not. Hybrids actually are practical and mostly work. And
>>> certainly reduce urban emissions mightily
>>>
>>> And you get a good balance between massive acceleration for e,g,
>>> overtaking and having fun, with decent fuel economy in a stop start
>>> scenario, and no worse economy than a similar turbodiesel etc on a
>>> long constant speed run.
>>
>> That's the theory. I have been a fan of hybrids for decades. But they
>> have been perverted: huge cars with tiny batteries that drink gasoline
>> as cossacks, yet get the ECO label.
>>
> Hybrids are intended for use in traffic with frequent stops and starts. 
> The engine only needs enough power to keep it rolling at its maximum 
> speed. The battery only needs to hold enough energy to help accelerate 
> it away to the sped limit from a stop once or twice. As the IC engine is 
> small, it is working at close to its maximum efficiency most of the 
> time, as against the traditional vehicle engine which is pretty close to 
> idling except for a few seconds as you pull away for the lights. This is 
> why the early Toyota Prius taxis could get up to 50 mpg round town and 
> still pull away very quickly. Small engine, big motor and a battery that 
> was almost fully cycled at every junction.
> 
> A well designed hybrid will also recover kinetic energy when you slow down.
> 
> "Plug in" hybrids are, basically, an electric vehicle with a range 
> extender. They use the IC engine at high speed out of town and the 
> electric motor in town to reduce local emissions.
> 
> For long fast trips out of town, you still need a big engine, and the 
> battery is more or less a waste of space. A bus company I used to work 
> for discovered this the expensive way when they bought a batch of hybrid 
> buses for a new inter town route, The engines were over worked when they 
> were out of town so they were using more fuel than the normal ones, and 
> the overload also caused problems witn reliability.

People I know with hybrids say the economy is *no worse* with the hybrid 
on a long trip, at fairly steady legal speeds, than an equivalent 
turbodiesel. It just isn't any *better*.

Where it scores is in town where the regen braking and the ability to 
run off the battery alone for stop start crawl until the battery is 
depleted, when the engine cuts in to recharge the battery.

Typically halving fuel used
Regen braking and no idling is the key

-- 
“The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to 
fill the world with fools.”

Herbert Spencer

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#723454 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-08 13:51 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nipee4Fla45U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#723416
On 2026-10-07 13:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/10/2026 11:54, John Williamson wrote:
>> On 07/10/2026 11:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-10-07 12:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 07/10/2026 09:00, JMB99 wrote:
>>>>> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been
>>>>>> using batteries and continue to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At least most are 'hybrids'.  The Greenie purists don't like hybrids.
>>>>
>>>> Of course not. Hybrids actually are practical and mostly work. And
>>>> certainly reduce urban emissions mightily
>>>>
>>>> And you get a good balance between massive acceleration for e,g,
>>>> overtaking and having fun, with decent fuel economy in a stop start
>>>> scenario, and no worse economy than a similar turbodiesel etc on a
>>>> long constant speed run.
>>>
>>> That's the theory. I have been a fan of hybrids for decades. But they
>>> have been perverted: huge cars with tiny batteries that drink gasoline
>>> as cossacks, yet get the ECO label.
>>>
>> Hybrids are intended for use in traffic with frequent stops and 
>> starts. The engine only needs enough power to keep it rolling at its 
>> maximum speed. The battery only needs to hold enough energy to help 
>> accelerate it away to the sped limit from a stop once or twice. As the 
>> IC engine is small, it is working at close to its maximum efficiency 
>> most of the time, as against the traditional vehicle engine which is 
>> pretty close to idling except for a few seconds as you pull away for 
>> the lights. This is why the early Toyota Prius taxis could get up to 
>> 50 mpg round town and still pull away very quickly. Small engine, big 
>> motor and a battery that was almost fully cycled at every junction.
>>
>> A well designed hybrid will also recover kinetic energy when you slow 
>> down.
>>
>> "Plug in" hybrids are, basically, an electric vehicle with a range 
>> extender. They use the IC engine at high speed out of town and the 
>> electric motor in town to reduce local emissions.
>>
>> For long fast trips out of town, you still need a big engine, and the 
>> battery is more or less a waste of space. A bus company I used to work 
>> for discovered this the expensive way when they bought a batch of 
>> hybrid buses for a new inter town route, The engines were over worked 
>> when they were out of town so they were using more fuel than the 
>> normal ones, and the overload also caused problems witn reliability.
> 
> People I know with hybrids say the economy is *no worse* with the hybrid 
> on a long trip, at fairly steady legal speeds, than an equivalent 
> turbodiesel. It just isn't any *better*.
> 
> Where it scores is in town where the regen braking and the ability to 
> run off the battery alone for stop start crawl until the battery is 
> depleted, when the engine cuts in to recharge the battery.

Some types should do well in hilly country.

> 
> Typically halving fuel used
> Regen braking and no idling is the key
> 


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#723458 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-08 13:04 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a80sh$3pnm3$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723454
On 08/10/2026 12:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> People I know with hybrids say the economy is *no worse* with the 
>> hybrid on a long trip, at fairly steady legal speeds, than an 
>> equivalent turbodiesel. It just isn't any *better*.
>>
>> Where it scores is in town where the regen braking and the ability to 
>> run off the battery alone for stop start crawl until the battery is 
>> depleted, when the engine cuts in to recharge the battery.
> 
> Some types should do well in hilly country.
> 
Only if you need to use the brakes a lot

>>
>> Typically halving fuel used
>> Regen braking and no idling is the key
>>

-- 
Climate is what you expect but weather is what you get.
Mark Twain

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#723471 — Re: OT - TV

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-10-08 22:02 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a90dj$7ae1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723458
On 2026/10/8 13:4:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 08/10/2026 12:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
[someone else wrote]
>>> Where it scores is in town where the regen braking and the ability to 
>>> run off the battery alone for stop start crawl until the battery is 
>>> depleted, when the engine cuts in to recharge the battery.
>>
>> Some types should do well in hilly country.
>>
> Only if you need to use the brakes a lot
> 
If your journey involves about the same amount of uphill and downhill,
and you're _not_ using the brakes, where is the downhill energy going?
Either engine braking (which is another form of "using the brakes", but
even worse in that it might actually use fuel), or you're accelerating
on the downhill parts and using the speed thus gained to help you on the
uphill - makes you a bit dangerous in the valleys.

>>>
>>> Typically halving fuel used
>>> Regen braking and no idling is the key
>>>
> 

-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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#723474 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-08 22:15 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a9169$73vs$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723471
On 08/10/2026 22:02, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/10/8 13:4:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 08/10/2026 12:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> [someone else wrote]
>>>> Where it scores is in town where the regen braking and the ability to
>>>> run off the battery alone for stop start crawl until the battery is
>>>> depleted, when the engine cuts in to recharge the battery.
>>>
>>> Some types should do well in hilly country.
>>>
>> Only if you need to use the brakes a lot
>>
> If your journey involves about the same amount of uphill and downhill,
> and you're _not_ using the brakes, where is the downhill energy going?

Do you really not have an answer for that?

You are coasting. The energy goes into the drag just the same as if it 
was an EV

I do it all the time.

> Either engine braking (which is another form of "using the brakes", but
> even worse in that it might actually use fuel), or you're accelerating
> on the downhill parts and using the speed thus gained to help you on the
> uphill - makes you a bit dangerous in the valleys.
> 
No. You are coasting. On a manual in neutral, On an auto, it does it 
'automatically' (sic!)

>>>>
>>>> Typically halving fuel used
>>>> Regen braking and no idling is the key
>>>>
>>
> 

-- 
"If you don’t read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the 
news paper, you are mis-informed."

Mark Twain

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#723538 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-09 22:22 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nit0p0F6jjoU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#723474
On 2026-10-08 23:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 08/10/2026 22:02, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> On 2026/10/8 13:4:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 08/10/2026 12:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> [someone else wrote]
>>>>> Where it scores is in town where the regen braking and the ability to
>>>>> run off the battery alone for stop start crawl until the battery is
>>>>> depleted, when the engine cuts in to recharge the battery.
>>>>
>>>> Some types should do well in hilly country.
>>>>
>>> Only if you need to use the brakes a lot
>>>
>> If your journey involves about the same amount of uphill and downhill,
>> and you're _not_ using the brakes, where is the downhill energy going?
> 
> Do you really not have an answer for that?
> 
> You are coasting. The energy goes into the drag just the same as if it 
> was an EV
> 
> I do it all the time.
> 
>> Either engine braking (which is another form of "using the brakes", but
>> even worse in that it might actually use fuel), or you're accelerating
>> on the downhill parts and using the speed thus gained to help you on the
>> uphill - makes you a bit dangerous in the valleys.
>>
> No. You are coasting. On a manual in neutral, On an auto, it does it 
> 'automatically' (sic!)

Here, if you try to coast, you crash eventually.

Coasting on neutral on down slopes is strongly discouraged in driving 
school. Very, very dangerous.

> 
>>>>>
>>>>> Typically halving fuel used
>>>>> Regen braking and no idling is the key
>>>>>
>>>
>>
> 


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#723557 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-09 22:33 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11abmj0$164sk$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723538
On 09/10/2026 21:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
> Here, if you try to coast, you crash eventually.
> 
> Coasting on neutral on down slopes is strongly discouraged in driving 
> school. Very, very dangerous.

Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men
-- 
In todays liberal progressive conflict-free education system, everyone 
gets full Marx.

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#723606 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-10 19:20 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<in8qpmxbdv.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#723557
On 2026-10-09 23:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 09/10/2026 21:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>> Here, if you try to coast, you crash eventually.
>>
>> Coasting on neutral on down slopes is strongly discouraged in driving 
>> school. Very, very dangerous.
> 
> Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men

It was a rule for survival. You are a fool if you break it here.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#723570 — Re: OT - TV

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-10 01:01 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nith2iF6daqU9@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#723538
On Fri, 9 Oct 2026 22:22:56 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> Coasting on neutral on down slopes is strongly discouraged in driving
> school. Very, very dangerous.

It wasn't a huge hill but sometimes my father would coast down to see how 
far he could get. I spurred him on. It was a rural area with good 
visibility so it wasn't dangerous.

You did not try that in the city unless you were suicidal. It was a steep 
drop from the escarpment to the rest of the city lying along the river.

https://archives.rpi.edu/institute-history/building-histories/approach

It was falling apart when I was there. The campus itself starts at the 
brick building and continues up the hill before flattening out. If you had 
classes in West Hall you got your cardio in climbing up to the other 
buildings. It was a joy in the winter.

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#723497 — Re: OT - TV

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-09 02:28 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nir1qgFp2dnU8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#723471
On Thu, 8 Oct 2026 22:02:41 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> If your journey involves about the same amount of uphill and downhill,
> and you're _not_ using the brakes, where is the downhill energy going?
> Either engine braking (which is another form of "using the brakes", but
> even worse in that it might actually use fuel), or you're accelerating
> on the downhill parts and using the speed thus gained to help you on the
> uphill -
> makes you a bit dangerous in the valleys.

The trucks I drove mostly had Jake brakes but a couple had simple exhaust 
brakes. You were off the throttle so little or no fuel was being injected 
but you were not reclaiming any energy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobs_Vehicle_Systems

Many of the eastern trucks weren't equipped and like Clessie Cummins came 
off Cajon rather rapidly with smoking brakes. That's what the runaway 
ramps are for.

I did haul a load to West Virginia. The exhaust retarder wasn't working 
and the shop was waiting on parts. The shop foreman said 'No problems. 
You're going east and we'll fix it when you get back.' He apparently had 
never been to WV. They might not be 7 mile grades but they make up for the 
lack of length with the grade.



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#723540 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-09 22:32 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nit1a9F6jjoU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#723497
On 2026-10-09 04:28, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Oct 2026 22:02:41 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> 
>> If your journey involves about the same amount of uphill and downhill,
>> and you're _not_ using the brakes, where is the downhill energy going?
>> Either engine braking (which is another form of "using the brakes", but
>> even worse in that it might actually use fuel), or you're accelerating
>> on the downhill parts and using the speed thus gained to help you on the
>> uphill -
>> makes you a bit dangerous in the valleys.
> 
> The trucks I drove mostly had Jake brakes but a couple had simple exhaust
> brakes. You were off the throttle so little or no fuel was being injected
> but you were not reclaiming any energy.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobs_Vehicle_Systems
> 
> Many of the eastern trucks weren't equipped and like Clessie Cummins came
> off Cajon rather rapidly with smoking brakes. That's what the runaway
> ramps are for.
> 
> I did haul a load to West Virginia. The exhaust retarder wasn't working
> and the shop was waiting on parts. The shop foreman said 'No problems.
> You're going east and we'll fix it when you get back.' He apparently had
> never been to WV. They might not be 7 mile grades but they make up for the
> lack of length with the grade.

Over here big trucks (I don't know about tractor+trailers, harder to 
see) have some sort of electric brake. Seems like a big generator 
installed on the longitudinal axle. Maybe they short circuit it, or put 
some resistors across the terminals. Or maybe they apply battery 
electricity to electromagnets near a moving metal disc(s).

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#723568 — Re: OT - TV

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-10 00:46 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nitg72F6daqU7@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#723540
On Fri, 9 Oct 2026 22:32:09 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> Over here big trucks (I don't know about tractor+trailers, harder to
> see)
> have some sort of electric brake. Seems like a big generator installed
> on the longitudinal axle. Maybe they short circuit it, or put some
> resistors across the terminals. Or maybe they apply battery electricity
> to electromagnets near a moving metal disc(s).

afaik only e-trucks have systems like that so far. 'Electric brakes' are 
used on some smaller trailers. They are conventional brakes actuated by 
electric solenoids where the towing vehicle doesn't have an air 
compressor. They're definitely better than nothing.

I briefly worked for a railroad in the early '70s so my information may be 
dated. They did have regenerative braking since the traction motors were 
electric, hence diesel-electric. The motors were shunted to a very large 
resistor bank.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_EMD_locomotives#/media/
File:CCP_2008_19930000_IL.jpg

The resistor compartment is at the read. You can make out a little bit of 
the fan than was solely used to dissipate the wasted energy from the 
resistors rather than cooling the diesel. 

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#723608 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-10 19:29 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<a99qpmx591.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#723568
On 2026-10-10 02:46, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2026 22:32:09 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>> Over here big trucks (I don't know about tractor+trailers, harder to
>> see)
>> have some sort of electric brake. Seems like a big generator installed
>> on the longitudinal axle. Maybe they short circuit it, or put some
>> resistors across the terminals. Or maybe they apply battery electricity
>> to electromagnets near a moving metal disc(s).
> 
> afaik only e-trucks have systems like that so far. 'Electric brakes' are
> used on some smaller trailers. They are conventional brakes actuated by
> electric solenoids where the towing vehicle doesn't have an air
> compressor. They're definitely better than nothing.

I don't mean that type. These are well ventilated things designed to be 
used continuously during a down slope to contain a big, heavy truck. It 
is non-friction. Based on eddy currents.

<https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freno_el%C3%A9ctrico>

I give the Spanish link because the photo is from a lorry unit. The 
English article is different.

> 
> I briefly worked for a railroad in the early '70s so my information may be
> dated. They did have regenerative braking since the traction motors were
> electric, hence diesel-electric. The motors were shunted to a very large
> resistor bank.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_EMD_locomotives#/media/
> File:CCP_2008_19930000_IL.jpg
> 
> The resistor compartment is at the read. You can make out a little bit of
> the fan than was solely used to dissipate the wasted energy from the
> resistors rather than cooling the diesel.

Yes, I have seen those things in many locomotives here.

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#723537 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-09 22:20 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nit0jnF6jjnU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#723458
On 2026-10-08 14:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 08/10/2026 12:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> People I know with hybrids say the economy is *no worse* with the 
>>> hybrid on a long trip, at fairly steady legal speeds, than an 
>>> equivalent turbodiesel. It just isn't any *better*.
>>>
>>> Where it scores is in town where the regen braking and the ability to 
>>> run off the battery alone for stop start crawl until the battery is 
>>> depleted, when the engine cuts in to recharge the battery.
>>
>> Some types should do well in hilly country.
>>
> Only if you need to use the brakes a lot

No.

In hilly country you first use the motor as a brake, wasting energy to 
the radiator. If that is not enough, you waste energy on the brakes.

With an hybrid, assuming the battery is big enough, you instead store 
energy in the battery, to be used on the next up-slope.

And Spain is very hilly, second to Switzerland in Europe according to 
the school texts of my time.

> 
>>>
>>> Typically halving fuel used
>>> Regen braking and no idling is the key
>>>
> 


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#723556 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-09 22:32 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11abmhd$164sk$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723537
On 09/10/2026 21:20, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-10-08 14:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Only if you need to use the brakes a lot
> 
> No.
> 
> In hilly country you first use the motor as a brake,
In an automatic car, you do not

End of your thesis.


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#723565 — Re: OT - TV

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-10-09 23:08 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<MteyS.65606$plMb.52713@fx42.iad>
In reply to#723556
On 2026-10-09, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 09/10/2026 21:20, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> On 2026-10-08 14:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> Only if you need to use the brakes a lot
>> 
>> No.
>> 
>> In hilly country you first use the motor as a brake,
>
> In an automatic car, you do not

You can if you want.  I often downshift an automatic
on a downhill grade.

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