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Killer price on a mini PC

Started by"Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com>
First post2026-09-15 21:48 -0400
Last post2026-09-18 18:25 -0700
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  Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 21:48 -0400
    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-16 03:17 +0000
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 23:35 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 21:29 -0700
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 01:51 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 09:36 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 12:03 -0700
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 01:49 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 02:44 -0700
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-21 20:29 +1000
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:45 +0100
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 02:30 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:38 +1000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:43 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:47 +1000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:54 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 17:59 +0100
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:38 -0400
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:13 -0700
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:22 +0000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 01:54 -0700
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 06:56 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 07:19 +0000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 01:54 -0700
    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:24 -0400
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-16 12:36 +0100
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-16 10:11 -0400
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 12:20 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:58 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 13:26 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-18 00:49 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:10 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 20:01 +0000
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 16:23 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:42 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 18:09 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 23:02 +0000
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 19:27 -0400
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 01:08 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 00:33 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-18 21:20 +0100
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-18 16:05 -0500
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 17:09 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-18 17:19 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:47 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-18 23:13 +0100
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-19 19:56 +1000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 09:42 -0400
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-20 21:24 +1000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:18 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 04:51 -0400
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-21 19:18 +1000
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 13:13 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:33 +0100
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 18:46 -0400
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:12 +0000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:52 +1000
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 20:02 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 21:21 +1000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-19 18:33 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-19 21:24 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-20 04:03 -0400
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 04:21 -0400
                            screen shape/orientation (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:31 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:45 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:57 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:39 +0100
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 15:04 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:29 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 22:47 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-20 20:36 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:14 +0100
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-20 11:26 -0500
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:32 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 06:16 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:41 +0000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:30 +0100
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:57 +1000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:01 -0400
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 17:19 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:02 -0500
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 19:23 -0400
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:30 +0000
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-22 06:14 -0500
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 18:12 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:12 +0200
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:47 +0100
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:29 +0200
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:26 +0000
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:36 +0100
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:44 +0000
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:29 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:34 +0100
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 08:28 -0400
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:49 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:40 +0200
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 07:43 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:38 +0200
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:11 +0000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 19:55 +0200
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-23 19:20 +0100
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 00:27 -0400
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:31 +0000
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-25 09:18 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 11:05 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:18 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:13 -0400
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 18:55 +0100
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 20:43 +1000
                                                    Gigaset M740AV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 20:25 +0200
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 13:43 +0000
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 20:39 +0200
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 06:51 +0000
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:24 +0100
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:11 +0200
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 11:18 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:41 +0200
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-25 11:57 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:48 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:25 +0000
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:46 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 16:47 +0000
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:28 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:33 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:03 +0000
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:42 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:34 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:36 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:14 +0100
                                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:39 +0100
                                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-26 17:14 -0500
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 22:16 -0400
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:24 +0100
                                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:37 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:42 +0100
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:32 +0100
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +1000
                                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:46 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:03 +0000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:16 +0000
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 07:19 +0000
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:37 +0100
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:38 +0100
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:32 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 00:10 +0000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 21:46 +0000
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 23:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 08:12 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:05 +0000
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-28 20:46 +1000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 12:03 +0100
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 17:37 +0000
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-26 19:14 -0400
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:10 +0000
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 02:20 -0400
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 07:50 +0100
                                          OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 18:59 +0100
                                            Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:52 +0000
                                              Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-23 02:29 -0400
                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:50 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:40 +0200
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:38 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 19:46 -0400
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:04 -0400
                                            OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 06:45 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 04:10 -0400
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:39 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 13:17 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:23 +0100
                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:44 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:39 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:11 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-26 11:47 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:08 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:58 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:30 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-26 19:10 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:02 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:03 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:26 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-28 15:45 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:30 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:46 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:25 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 16:40 +0100
                                                                                    OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 16:58 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:57 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:00 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) André Coutanche <acoutanche@gmx.co.uk> - 2026-09-29 21:50 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:33 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 22:48 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:07 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - Lehrer John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 15:51 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 21:02 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:22 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:01 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 10:57 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 08:10 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:39 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-30 00:46 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:39 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:25 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 13:34 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:31 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 14:47 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:58 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:36 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:12 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:35 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 16:14 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:35 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:53 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 19:03 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 21:50 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:25 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:13 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:51 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:55 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-30 14:15 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +1000
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:52 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:13 +1000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 11:56 -0400
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:28 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 15:28 -0400
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 10:19 +0200
                                                                      [OT] - audio distribution, Rediffusion-style (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:43 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 11:44 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:12 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 18:12 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-27 18:23 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:34 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:46 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-29 12:01 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:05 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:13 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Other John <nomail@here.org> - 2026-09-29 16:53 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:12 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:23 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-30 07:37 -0400
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:28 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:35 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:15 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:15 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:50 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:24 +0200
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-01 17:17 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:48 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 13:32 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:52 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-03 21:10 +1000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:39 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:11 -0400
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-04 21:26 +1100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:19 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:36 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:18 +0200
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 12:47 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 12:50 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:09 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 15:59 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-03 15:56 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 17:19 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:54 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:27 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 07:55 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:54 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:17 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-05 11:29 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-05 11:46 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 12:47 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 00:23 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 18:41 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-03 22:52 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-03 21:24 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 08:08 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-04 09:29 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:54 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:15 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:27 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:13 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:19 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:57 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 13:54 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:34 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:22 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:37 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:37 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:50 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 13:08 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:50 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 03:29 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:53 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 03:32 -0400
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:49 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:57 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:19 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:34 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:51 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:52 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 07:52 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 03:15 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:51 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:16 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:12 +0200
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:06 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:50 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 01:31 +0000
                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:21 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:26 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:26 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:37 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 00:03 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:15 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:16 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:48 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:16 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:07 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:20 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:18 +0200
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:06 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:25 +0200
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:32 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:22 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:34 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:50 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:25 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:25 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:32 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:30 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 15:04 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:39 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:13 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-28 09:39 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 11:26 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 13:04 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:42 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 16:45 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:53 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 19:26 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:25 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 09:43 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:56 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 10:41 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:02 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 13:39 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:04 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 14:19 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:47 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 20:01 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:06 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:25 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 01:15 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Carlos <crazyhotwrse8@stinty.org> - 2026-10-03 20:41 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 21:28 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 17:16 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:50 +0100
                                                                                                              [OT] - power (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 19:05 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 19:15 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] - power "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:00 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] - power c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:30 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:47 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] - power Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-30 13:28 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:24 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-29 14:58 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:04 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:52 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:01 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:36 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:55 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 03:57 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 10:40 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 11:29 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:59 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:25 +0100
                                                                                                                  [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 23:54 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 00:57 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 08:51 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 04:40 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:19 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:20 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 19:32 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 20:02 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 19:03 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-05 06:40 -0500
                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 20:18 +1000
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:54 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 03:52 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:41 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:36 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 20:58 +1000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:56 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-24 22:24 +1000
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:07 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 12:53 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:09 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 18:56 +0000
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 10:01 +0100
                                              OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 14:42 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:04 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 15:55 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:18 +0100
                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:50 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:34 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:10 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:29 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 05:12 +0000
                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 21:30 +1000
                                                        Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-25 19:54 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:14 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:38 +0000
                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:06 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:16 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:30 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:24 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:35 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:02 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:09 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0200
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:46 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:22 +0200
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:00 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:49 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 18:46 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:55 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:50 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:35 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:19 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:22 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:20 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:57 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:22 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:43 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:21 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:19 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:25 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:12 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 00:48 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:09 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:49 +0200
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:02 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 22:18 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:33 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 07:07 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:33 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:59 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:02 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:28 +0200
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:28 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 21:03 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:27 +0000
                                                Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:04 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 16:28 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:51 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:20 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 18:26 +0000
                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:20 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 18:44 +0000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-22 16:05 +0000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 18:31 +0000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:45 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:41 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:09 +0100
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:14 -0400
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:10 +0000
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 21:55 -0400
                                                      OT - TV (now radio) (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 09:49 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:32 +0200
                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:30 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:36 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:55 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:10 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:09 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:45 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 18:16 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:58 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:05 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:07 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:28 -0400
                                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 01:07 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:41 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 22:27 -0400
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 03:10 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:39 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 19:36 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 18:27 -0400
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:27 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 13:38 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 15:15 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 17:52 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:49 -0400
                                                                                  [OT] = X-rays and medical costs (was: Re: OT - TV (now radio)) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 20:16 +0100
                                                                                    Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs (was: Re: OT - TV (now radio)) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-01 22:35 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:22 -0400
                                                                                        Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 06:58 +0100
                                                                                          Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 02:21 -0400
                                                                                            Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:33 +0100
                                                                                              Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-10-02 13:47 +0100
                                                                                                Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 15:17 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-10-02 16:07 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 01:54 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 10:06 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 01:53 -0400
                                                                                                Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:55 -0400
                                                                                              Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:33 -0400
                                                                                            Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 13:51 +0100
                                                                                              Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 00:14 -0400
                                                                                          Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 17:34 +0000
                                                                                        Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 11:35 +0200
                                                                                          Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 20:57 -0400
                                                                                            Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 12:31 +0200
                                                                                              Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:26 +0100
                                                                                                Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:24 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 23:39 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 02:14 +0200
                                                                                                Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:40 -0400
                                                                                              Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:02 -0400
                                                                                                Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 03:52 +0000
                                                                                    Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:28 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 21:55 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:28 -0400
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 03:04 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:39 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 22:03 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:33 -0400
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 07:08 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:55 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:31 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:08 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:41 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:46 -0400
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:52 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:40 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:44 -0400
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-03 05:00 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:48 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 12:35 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:12 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:19 +0200
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:34 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 21:46 -0400
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 16:07 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:42 -0400
                                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:50 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 03:32 -0400
                                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:37 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 22:10 +0200
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:45 -0400
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 11:41 +0200
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:08 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:06 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:33 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-27 16:23 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:34 +0200
                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:59 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-28 13:37 -0400
                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:27 +0200
                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:29 +0100
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:55 +0000
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-28 01:28 -0400
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 07:12 +0000
                                                            OT - electronic tinkering (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 17:19 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - electronic tinkering (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:26 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - electronic tinkering (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 18:57 +0000
                                                                  Re: OT - electronic tinkering (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 05:51 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - electronic tinkering (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:47 +0000
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:18 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-23 17:28 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:21 +0100
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 18:26 +0000
                                                  OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 20:08 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 21:45 +1000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 20:05 +0000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:22 +0100
                                                    OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:43 +0100
                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:43 +0100
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:25 +0000
                                              OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:57 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 21:13 +0200
                                                Re: OT - TV Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-24 17:47 -0500
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:53 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:51 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-22 08:22 +0000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 19:01 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 07:19 +0000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:32 +0000
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:50 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-23 18:40 +0000
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:10 +1000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:49 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:20 +0200
                                        OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 19:13 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:59 +0000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-22 02:20 -0400
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:16 +1000
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:52 +0100
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:35 +0000
                                          OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 19:51 +0100
                                            Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 08:16 +0000
                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 15:07 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:28 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:30 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:07 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-25 21:52 +0000
                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 22:15 +0000
                                                    Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 02:17 -0400
                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 10:11 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-03 08:20 +0000
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 10:10 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 23:18 -0400
                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 07:41 +0000
                                                    Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 23:44 -0400
                                                      Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-05 00:45 -0400
                                                        Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 03:06 -0400
                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 07:34 +0000
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 09:10 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:28 +0200
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:00 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:03 +0000
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:33 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-05 23:44 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 03:52 +0000
                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 12:39 +0200
                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:53 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:44 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:11 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:47 +0100
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:46 +0000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:13 +0100
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:22 +0000
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:23 -0400
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 10:17 +0100
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 21:36 -0400
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:27 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-27 03:59 -0400
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:08 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:39 +0000
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:40 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:28 +1000
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:43 +0000
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:26 +0000
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 09:55 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:43 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-28 01:31 -0400
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-23 19:05 +0000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:50 +0000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 22:26 +1000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:56 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 23:35 +1000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-20 21:29 +1000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-20 16:56 +0000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-20 18:20 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-20 18:22 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-20 20:14 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 06:34 -0400
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:57 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 23:56 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:34 +0100
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:35 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:20 +0000
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:32 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:45 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:52 +0000
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-19 00:37 +0000
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-19 20:02 +1000
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-19 07:45 -0400
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-19 19:50 +0000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:43 +0000
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-09-19 08:52 +0200
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:41 +0000
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-19 17:48 +0000
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 18:56 +0100
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 14:45 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:37 +0100
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-19 21:42 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-20 01:35 +0000
                  Reminiscing re laptops (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:45 +0100
                    Re: Reminiscing re laptops (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-20 17:52 +0000
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-20 09:46 +0000
    Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 13:59 -0700
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 17:06 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 18:30 -0700
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 21:37 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 00:39 -0700
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 09:06 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 04:19 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 14:28 -0700
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:59 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 17:06 -0700
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-09-19 00:23 +0000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-19 11:00 +0000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-19 11:09 +0000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 18:04 -0700
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-19 08:21 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 18:25 -0700

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#723135 — Re: OT - TV (now radio)

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-02 12:41 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV (now radio)
Message-ID<119o59i$21k2o$12@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723119
On 02/10/2026 04:33, c186282 wrote:
> Anyway, if your dentist is still giving you
>    a 100X dose using FILM

So what? You probably get more radiation from eating a banana

https://xkcd.com/radiation/

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#723169 — Re: OT - TV (now radio)

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-02 23:46 -0400
SubjectRe: OT - TV (now radio)
Message-ID<cR-dna1thaUB5133nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#723135
On 10/2/26 07:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 02/10/2026 04:33, c186282 wrote:
>> Anyway, if your dentist is still giving you
>>    a 100X dose using FILM
> 
> So what? You probably get more radiation from eating a banana
> 
> https://xkcd.com/radiation/

   Ummm ... not SURE about that at all.

   IMHO, the less ionizing radiation the better.

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#723179 — Re: OT - TV (now radio)

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-03 09:52 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV (now radio)
Message-ID<119qfoj$2qdqt$15@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723169
On 03/10/2026 04:46, c186282 wrote:
> On 10/2/26 07:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 02/10/2026 04:33, c186282 wrote:
>>> Anyway, if your dentist is still giving you
>>>    a 100X dose using FILM
>>
>> So what? You probably get more radiation from eating a banana
>>
>> https://xkcd.com/radiation/
> 
>    Ummm ... not SURE about that at all.
> 
>    IMHO, the less ionizing radiation the better.
> 
There is SOME evidence that a little is actually good for you.

Google 'radiation hormesis'

There is solid evidence that up to a level possibly 100 times 
'regulatory limits' there is no detectable effect from chronic low dose 
radiation.
As the saying goes, more people died at Chappaquiddick than at Three 
Mile Island...


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#723134 — Re: OT - TV (now radio)

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-02 12:40 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV (now radio)
Message-ID<119o56h$21k2o$11@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723106
On 01/10/2026 21:03, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-10-01 13:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 01/10/2026 02:41, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> I'm pretty sure my dentist still uses film and X-rays, though they seem
>>> to develop (and scan) them_amazingly_  quickly - but they still go out
>>> of the room (same principle as the shoe salesmen, I think) to fire the
>>> machine.
>>
>> The  changeover to all digital stared about 20 years ago and is not 
>> yet complete. Because the kit is very expensive and photos work pretty 
>> well
> 
> The private clinic I go to some times (covered by my insurance) changed 
> the to digital plates maybe a year ago. I was very surprised when I 
> noticed them reusing the plate without changing the film, and asked.
> 
> I did not know there were sensor plates suitable for X-rays.
> 
I am not totally sure, but I think that you can use a standard light 
sensor in conjunction with a a fluorescent screen.

There may well be semiconductor arrays that resonnd directly to X rays 
as well

Umm.... goggle google google...

"Flat Panel Detectors (FPDs)

Direct Conversion FPDs: Use a semiconductor material (like amorphous 
selenium) to convert X-ray photons directly into electrical charges. 
They offer high spatial resolution and sharp image clarity.

Indirect Conversion FPDs: Use a scintillator layer (like caesium iodide) 
to turn X-rays into visible light first. A photodetector array (like 
amorphous silicon) then converts that light into an electrical signal.

Solid-State Dental Sensors (CCD and CMOS)

Charge-Coupled Device (CCD) Sensors: Couple a scintillator to a silicon 
chip to transport and read out charges. They provide high sensitivity 
and low noise, but tend to cost more and use more power.


Complementary Metal-Oxide-Semiconductor (CMOS) Sensors: Feature 
individual amplifiers at every pixel, allowing faster readout, lower 
power usage, and smaller designs. They are standard in modern digital 
intraoral imaging"



Well there you go.

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#723168 — Re: OT - TV (now radio)

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-02 23:44 -0400
SubjectRe: OT - TV (now radio)
Message-ID<cR-dnbJthaWh5133nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#723134
On 10/2/26 07:40, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 01/10/2026 21:03, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-10-01 13:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 01/10/2026 02:41, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>> I'm pretty sure my dentist still uses film and X-rays, though they seem
>>>> to develop (and scan) them_amazingly_  quickly - but they still go out
>>>> of the room (same principle as the shoe salesmen, I think) to fire the
>>>> machine.
>>>
>>> The  changeover to all digital stared about 20 years ago and is not 
>>> yet complete. Because the kit is very expensive and photos work 
>>> pretty well
>>
>> The private clinic I go to some times (covered by my insurance) 
>> changed the to digital plates maybe a year ago. I was very surprised 
>> when I noticed them reusing the plate without changing the film, and 
>> asked.
>>
>> I did not know there were sensor plates suitable for X-rays.
>>
> I am not totally sure, but I think that you can use a standard light 
> sensor in conjunction with a a fluorescent screen.
> 
> There may well be semiconductor arrays that resonnd directly to X rays 
> as well
> 
> Umm.... goggle google google...
> 
> "Flat Panel Detectors (FPDs)
> 
> Direct Conversion FPDs: Use a semiconductor material (like amorphous 
> selenium) to convert X-ray photons directly into electrical charges. 
> They offer high spatial resolution and sharp image clarity.
> 
> Indirect Conversion FPDs: Use a scintillator layer (like caesium iodide) 
> to turn X-rays into visible light first. A photodetector array (like 
> amorphous silicon) then converts that light into an electrical signal.
> 
> Solid-State Dental Sensors (CCD and CMOS)
> 
> Charge-Coupled Device (CCD) Sensors: Couple a scintillator to a silicon 
> chip to transport and read out charges. They provide high sensitivity 
> and low noise, but tend to cost more and use more power.
> 
> 
> Complementary Metal-Oxide-Semiconductor (CMOS) Sensors: Feature 
> individual amplifiers at every pixel, allowing faster readout, lower 
> power usage, and smaller designs. They are standard in modern digital 
> intraoral imaging"
> 
> 
> 
> Well there you go.

   Of note, such high-rez/high-sensitivity sensors
   have been around for over a decade. They keep
   getting better. Even the first were better than
   the usual film pix.

   I *think*, but am not sure, that 'direct' is the
   tech of choice now. The sharpness suggests that
   they aren't lighting-up phosphors. The thickness
   of the sensors seems to preclude using fiber-optic
   inserts to isolate off-axis glow.

   Anyway, if YOUR dentist is still using film and
   that big x-ray rig .........

   Do they keep a jar of leeches too ... ? A foot-
   powered low speed drill ....... ?

   Somewhere I found a 'restored' version of one of
   those 19th century drills. All pretty. Tempted to
   buy it for my dentists to keep under glass in
   the lobby  :-)

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#723173 — Re: OT - TV (now radio)

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-10-03 05:00 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV (now radio)
Message-ID<UZ%vS.2223$ygUb.1947@fx23.iad>
In reply to#723168
On 2026-10-03, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

>    Somewhere I found a 'restored' version of one of
>    those 19th century drills. All pretty. Tempted to
>    buy it for my dentists to keep under glass in
>    the lobby  :-)

    It's an antique.  They don't make them like this anymore.
    Heavy... sturdy... dull.
      -- Little Shop of Horrors (Steve Martin)

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#723178 — Re: OT - TV (now radio)

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-03 09:48 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV (now radio)
Message-ID<119qfgu$2qdqt$14@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723168
On 03/10/2026 04:44, c186282 wrote:
> Anyway, if YOUR dentist is still using film and
>    that big x-ray rig .........
I no longer bother paying a dentist to fuck my teeth up, such that are left.


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#723231 — Re: OT - TV (now radio)

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-04 12:35 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV (now radio)
Message-ID<nieoftF1toqU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#723168
On 2026-10-03 05:44, c186282 wrote:
> On 10/2/26 07:40, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 01/10/2026 21:03, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-10-01 13:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 01/10/2026 02:41, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>> I'm pretty sure my dentist still uses film and X-rays, though they 
>>>>> seem
>>>>> to develop (and scan) them_amazingly_  quickly - but they still go out
>>>>> of the room (same principle as the shoe salesmen, I think) to fire the
>>>>> machine.
>>>>
>>>> The  changeover to all digital stared about 20 years ago and is not 
>>>> yet complete. Because the kit is very expensive and photos work 
>>>> pretty well
>>>
>>> The private clinic I go to some times (covered by my insurance) 
>>> changed the to digital plates maybe a year ago. I was very surprised 
>>> when I noticed them reusing the plate without changing the film, and 
>>> asked.
>>>
>>> I did not know there were sensor plates suitable for X-rays.
>>>
>> I am not totally sure, but I think that you can use a standard light 
>> sensor in conjunction with a a fluorescent screen.
>>
>> There may well be semiconductor arrays that resonnd directly to X rays 
>> as well
>>
>> Umm.... goggle google google...
>>
>> "Flat Panel Detectors (FPDs)
>>
>> Direct Conversion FPDs: Use a semiconductor material (like amorphous 
>> selenium) to convert X-ray photons directly into electrical charges. 
>> They offer high spatial resolution and sharp image clarity.
>>
>> Indirect Conversion FPDs: Use a scintillator layer (like caesium 
>> iodide) to turn X-rays into visible light first. A photodetector array 
>> (like amorphous silicon) then converts that light into an electrical 
>> signal.
>>
>> Solid-State Dental Sensors (CCD and CMOS)
>>
>> Charge-Coupled Device (CCD) Sensors: Couple a scintillator to a 
>> silicon chip to transport and read out charges. They provide high 
>> sensitivity and low noise, but tend to cost more and use more power.
>>
>>
>> Complementary Metal-Oxide-Semiconductor (CMOS) Sensors: Feature 
>> individual amplifiers at every pixel, allowing faster readout, lower 
>> power usage, and smaller designs. They are standard in modern digital 
>> intraoral imaging"
>>
>>
>>
>> Well there you go.
> 
>    Of note, such high-rez/high-sensitivity sensors
>    have been around for over a decade. They keep
>    getting better. Even the first were better than
>    the usual film pix.
> 
>    I *think*, but am not sure, that 'direct' is the
>    tech of choice now. The sharpness suggests that
>    they aren't lighting-up phosphors. The thickness
>    of the sensors seems to preclude using fiber-optic
>    inserts to isolate off-axis glow.
> 
>    Anyway, if YOUR dentist is still using film and
>    that big x-ray rig .........
> 
>    Do they keep a jar of leeches too ... ? A foot-
>    powered low speed drill ....... ?
> 
>    Somewhere I found a 'restored' version of one of
>    those 19th century drills. All pretty. Tempted to
>    buy it for my dentists to keep under glass in
>    the lobby  :-)

I see one clinic nearby that has cushioned seats shaped as molars. 
Surely they fin them cute, but they shoo me away. I will never enter 
that place.

No, I would be endeared to finding an old drill in a glass case.


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        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#723278 — Re: OT - TV (now radio)

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-05 01:12 -0400
SubjectRe: OT - TV (now radio)
Message-ID<QOKdnfmWqNgprF73nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#723231
On 10/4/26 06:35, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-10-03 05:44, c186282 wrote:
>> On 10/2/26 07:40, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 01/10/2026 21:03, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-10-01 13:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 01/10/2026 02:41, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>>> I'm pretty sure my dentist still uses film and X-rays, though they 
>>>>>> seem
>>>>>> to develop (and scan) them_amazingly_  quickly - but they still go 
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> of the room (same principle as the shoe salesmen, I think) to fire 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> The  changeover to all digital stared about 20 years ago and is not 
>>>>> yet complete. Because the kit is very expensive and photos work 
>>>>> pretty well
>>>>
>>>> The private clinic I go to some times (covered by my insurance) 
>>>> changed the to digital plates maybe a year ago. I was very surprised 
>>>> when I noticed them reusing the plate without changing the film, and 
>>>> asked.
>>>>
>>>> I did not know there were sensor plates suitable for X-rays.
>>>>
>>> I am not totally sure, but I think that you can use a standard light 
>>> sensor in conjunction with a a fluorescent screen.
>>>
>>> There may well be semiconductor arrays that resonnd directly to X 
>>> rays as well
>>>
>>> Umm.... goggle google google...
>>>
>>> "Flat Panel Detectors (FPDs)
>>>
>>> Direct Conversion FPDs: Use a semiconductor material (like amorphous 
>>> selenium) to convert X-ray photons directly into electrical charges. 
>>> They offer high spatial resolution and sharp image clarity.
>>>
>>> Indirect Conversion FPDs: Use a scintillator layer (like caesium 
>>> iodide) to turn X-rays into visible light first. A photodetector 
>>> array (like amorphous silicon) then converts that light into an 
>>> electrical signal.
>>>
>>> Solid-State Dental Sensors (CCD and CMOS)
>>>
>>> Charge-Coupled Device (CCD) Sensors: Couple a scintillator to a 
>>> silicon chip to transport and read out charges. They provide high 
>>> sensitivity and low noise, but tend to cost more and use more power.
>>>
>>>
>>> Complementary Metal-Oxide-Semiconductor (CMOS) Sensors: Feature 
>>> individual amplifiers at every pixel, allowing faster readout, lower 
>>> power usage, and smaller designs. They are standard in modern digital 
>>> intraoral imaging"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well there you go.
>>
>>    Of note, such high-rez/high-sensitivity sensors
>>    have been around for over a decade. They keep
>>    getting better. Even the first were better than
>>    the usual film pix.
>>
>>    I *think*, but am not sure, that 'direct' is the
>>    tech of choice now. The sharpness suggests that
>>    they aren't lighting-up phosphors. The thickness
>>    of the sensors seems to preclude using fiber-optic
>>    inserts to isolate off-axis glow.
>>
>>    Anyway, if YOUR dentist is still using film and
>>    that big x-ray rig .........
>>
>>    Do they keep a jar of leeches too ... ? A foot-
>>    powered low speed drill ....... ?
>>
>>    Somewhere I found a 'restored' version of one of
>>    those 19th century drills. All pretty. Tempted to
>>    buy it for my dentists to keep under glass in
>>    the lobby  :-)
> 
> I see one clinic nearby that has cushioned seats shaped as molars. 
> Surely they fin them cute, but they shoo me away. I will never enter 
> that place.

   Ok ... that IS a little weird ........

> No, I would be endeared to finding an old drill in a glass case.

   What, NO sense of history ?

   You put the antique drill in a glass case and
   then a nice color pic/description of the LATEST
   units and advantages. A little "depth" never
   hurts IMHO.

   "Medicine" in general however, a LOT to be kind of
   embarrassed about. Old bullshit just would NOT die
   and generations suffered.

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#723293 — Re: OT - TV (now radio)

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-05 14:19 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV (now radio)
Message-ID<nihiujFfekcU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#723278
On 2026-10-05 07:12, c186282 wrote:
> On 10/4/26 06:35, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-10-03 05:44, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 10/2/26 07:40, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 01/10/2026 21:03, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-10-01 13:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 01/10/2026 02:41, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure my dentist still uses film and X-rays, though 
>>>>>>> they seem
>>>>>>> to develop (and scan) them_amazingly_  quickly - but they still 
>>>>>>> go out
>>>>>>> of the room (same principle as the shoe salesmen, I think) to 
>>>>>>> fire the
>>>>>>> machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The  changeover to all digital stared about 20 years ago and is 
>>>>>> not yet complete. Because the kit is very expensive and photos 
>>>>>> work pretty well
>>>>>
>>>>> The private clinic I go to some times (covered by my insurance) 
>>>>> changed the to digital plates maybe a year ago. I was very 
>>>>> surprised when I noticed them reusing the plate without changing 
>>>>> the film, and asked.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did not know there were sensor plates suitable for X-rays.
>>>>>
>>>> I am not totally sure, but I think that you can use a standard light 
>>>> sensor in conjunction with a a fluorescent screen.
>>>>
>>>> There may well be semiconductor arrays that resonnd directly to X 
>>>> rays as well
>>>>
>>>> Umm.... goggle google google...
>>>>
>>>> "Flat Panel Detectors (FPDs)
>>>>
>>>> Direct Conversion FPDs: Use a semiconductor material (like amorphous 
>>>> selenium) to convert X-ray photons directly into electrical charges. 
>>>> They offer high spatial resolution and sharp image clarity.
>>>>
>>>> Indirect Conversion FPDs: Use a scintillator layer (like caesium 
>>>> iodide) to turn X-rays into visible light first. A photodetector 
>>>> array (like amorphous silicon) then converts that light into an 
>>>> electrical signal.
>>>>
>>>> Solid-State Dental Sensors (CCD and CMOS)
>>>>
>>>> Charge-Coupled Device (CCD) Sensors: Couple a scintillator to a 
>>>> silicon chip to transport and read out charges. They provide high 
>>>> sensitivity and low noise, but tend to cost more and use more power.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Complementary Metal-Oxide-Semiconductor (CMOS) Sensors: Feature 
>>>> individual amplifiers at every pixel, allowing faster readout, lower 
>>>> power usage, and smaller designs. They are standard in modern 
>>>> digital intraoral imaging"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well there you go.
>>>
>>>    Of note, such high-rez/high-sensitivity sensors
>>>    have been around for over a decade. They keep
>>>    getting better. Even the first were better than
>>>    the usual film pix.
>>>
>>>    I *think*, but am not sure, that 'direct' is the
>>>    tech of choice now. The sharpness suggests that
>>>    they aren't lighting-up phosphors. The thickness
>>>    of the sensors seems to preclude using fiber-optic
>>>    inserts to isolate off-axis glow.
>>>
>>>    Anyway, if YOUR dentist is still using film and
>>>    that big x-ray rig .........
>>>
>>>    Do they keep a jar of leeches too ... ? A foot-
>>>    powered low speed drill ....... ?
>>>
>>>    Somewhere I found a 'restored' version of one of
>>>    those 19th century drills. All pretty. Tempted to
>>>    buy it for my dentists to keep under glass in
>>>    the lobby  :-)
>>
>> I see one clinic nearby that has cushioned seats shaped as molars. 
>> Surely they fin them cute, but they shoo me away. I will never enter 
>> that place.
> 
>    Ok ... that IS a little weird ........
> 
>> No, I would be endeared to finding an old drill in a glass case.

(I would not be endeared... typo.
> 
>    What, NO sense of history ?
> 
>    You put the antique drill in a glass case and
>    then a nice color pic/description of the LATEST
>    units and advantages. A little "depth" never
>    hurts IMHO.

I prefer not to know too much about what they do to me. I take a 
tranquillizer pill, and I close my eyes. I had bad experiences, so they 
make me nervous.

> 
>    "Medicine" in general however, a LOT to be kind of
>    embarrassed about. Old bullshit just would NOT die
>    and generations suffered.

My old doctor had a felt case with old scalpels and tools, maybe medieval.


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#723092 — Re: OT - TV (now radio)

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-01 15:34 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV (now radio)
Message-ID<ni75r7Fpqe0U11@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#723051
On 2026-10-01 03:41, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/10/1 0:7:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-09-30 21:28, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 9/30/26 05:58, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-09-29 20:16, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 29 Sep 2026 10:45:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> None of this was 'science' - it was just fiddling with things to see
>>>>>> what happened and teaching the useful results to the next generation.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://ethw.org/Edison_Effect
>>>>>
>>>>> Almost all of Edison's successes resulted from intense fiddling. He even
>>>>> played a part in the development of the fluoroscope but gave up the
>>>>> project when one of assistants died from exposure. The risks weren't
>>>>> well
>>>>> known. I remember the machines in shoe stores in the '50s where you
>>>>> could
>>>>> peer at an x-ray of your feet to see how well the shoes fit.
>>>>
>>>> Progress :-)
>>>
>>>     I remember those machines ! By the time I might
>>>     have needed one though they'd all been unplugged
>>>     and shoved into a corner.
>>>
>>>     Apparently the prob wasn't with the customers, but
>>>     with the salesmen who might get a dozen doses a day.
>>>
>>>     Now ... MIGHT replace the net effect using some kind
>>>     of ultra-sound image.
>>
>> X-Ray machines were high power, not even doctors use them nowdays. They
>> use photos instead, now made with a electronic sensors, not chemicals.
>> So very low power.
>>
> I'm pretty sure my dentist still uses film and X-rays, though they seem
> to develop (and scan) them _amazingly_ quickly - but they still go out
> of the room (same principle as the shoe salesmen, I think) to fire the
> machine.

Mine uses what looks the same machine, but the result is a 3D 
computerized scan. He can look up a single tooth in the computer and 
rotate it, find how deep goes the caries...

I don't believe they use chemicals.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#723053 — Re: OT - TV (now radio)

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-30 21:46 -0400
SubjectRe: OT - TV (now radio)
Message-ID<f7adnU7RVOkbJiD3nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#723043
On 9/30/26 19:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-09-30 21:28, c186282 wrote:
>> On 9/30/26 05:58, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-09-29 20:16, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 29 Sep 2026 10:45:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> None of this was 'science' - it was just fiddling with things to see
>>>>> what happened and teaching the useful results to the next generation.
>>>>
>>>> https://ethw.org/Edison_Effect
>>>>
>>>> Almost all of Edison's successes resulted from intense fiddling. He 
>>>> even
>>>> played a part in the development of the fluoroscope but gave up the
>>>> project when one of assistants died from exposure. The risks weren't 
>>>> well
>>>> known. I remember the machines in shoe stores in the '50s where you 
>>>> could
>>>> peer at an x-ray of your feet to see how well the shoes fit.
>>>
>>> Progress :-)
>>
>>    I remember those machines ! By the time I might
>>    have needed one though they'd all been unplugged
>>    and shoved into a corner.
>>
>>    Apparently the prob wasn't with the customers, but
>>    with the salesmen who might get a dozen doses a day.
>>
>>    Now ... MIGHT replace the net effect using some kind
>>    of ultra-sound image.
> 
> X-Ray machines were high power, not even doctors use them nowdays. They 
> use photos instead, now made with a electronic sensors, not chemicals. 
> So very low power.

   A sensitive grid of pressure sensors could likely
   do a fair job of it - but might not show "pinched
   toes" quite as well.

   Some 'hybrid' tech - pressure sensors PLUS low-rez
   ultrasound - would surely do the trick quite well
   and maybe cheaper than those old X-ray units.

   Have seen some news on medical devices that use
   triple-tech ... low-field MRI plus ultrasound
   plus low-rez CAT. Computers can now easily
   combine the results and create a much higher
   rez and richer result than any alone. Even Linux
   has some standard packages for doing MRIs and
   similar.

   I wonder if any of those old x-ray units are stored
   anywhere. Might be useful for imaging other materials
   and devices and such. At 'salvage' prices, great !

   Just keep yer distance a bit :-)

   Bound to be lots of old DENTAL units in some
   surplus warehouse too.

   Building a relatively 'soft' x-ray tube using lab
   glassware does not seem so difficult. Need a fairly
   good vac pump. but nothing TOO extreme. You can buy
   thin little moly metal squares. A 50KV DC supply
   and you're set. Hey, it is 19th-century tech ...

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#723246 — Re: OT - TV (now radio)

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-10-04 16:07 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV (now radio)
Message-ID<nif8djF4q5gU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#723053
c186282 wrote:

> I wonder if any of those old x-ray units are stored anywhere. Might
> be useful for imaging other materials and devices and such. At
> 'salvage' prices, great !
> 
>    Just keep yer distance a bit 🙂

Lots of NOS x-ray tubes in Ukraine

<https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_nkw=x-ray+tube&_sacat=0&_from=R40&Country%2520of%2520Origin=Ukraine&_dcat=64627>


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#723252 — Re: OT - TV (now radio)

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-04 18:27 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV (now radio)
Message-ID<119u2a3$3glq$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723246
On 04/10/2026 16:07, Andy Burns wrote:
> 
> c186282 wrote:
> 
>> I wonder if any of those old x-ray units are stored anywhere. Might
>> be useful for imaging other materials and devices and such. At
>> 'salvage' prices, great !
>>
>>    Just keep yer distance a bit 🙂
> 
> Lots of NOS x-ray tubes in Ukraine
> 
> <https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_nkw=x-ray+tube&_sacat=0&_from=R40&Country%2520of%2520Origin=Ukraine&_dcat=64627>
> 
> 
X-ray 'tubes' are not very dangerous. Its those  Cobalt 60 sources used 
to burn cancers to a crisp you should avoid...



-- 
Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice.
  – Will Durant

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#723281 — Re: OT - TV (now radio)

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-05 02:42 -0400
SubjectRe: OT - TV (now radio)
Message-ID<QOKdnfqWqNhQ2173nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#723246
On 10/4/26 11:07, Andy Burns wrote:
> 
> c186282 wrote:
> 
>> I wonder if any of those old x-ray units are stored anywhere. Might
>> be useful for imaging other materials and devices and such. At
>> 'salvage' prices, great !
>>
>>    Just keep yer distance a bit 🙂
> 
> Lots of NOS x-ray tubes in Ukraine
> 
> <https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_nkw=x- 
> ray+tube&_sacat=0&_from=R40&Country%2520of%2520Origin=Ukraine&_dcat=64627>

   Good ... but nowhere near Ukraine.

   My greatest interest, getting a few shots of
   kinda 'sealed' devices.

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#723063 — Re: OT - TV (now radio)

FromJan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
Date2026-10-01 06:50 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV (now radio)
Message-ID<119kvrq$u9er$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723043
>"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
>>On 2026-09-30 21:28, c186282 wrote:
>> On 9/30/26 05:58, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-09-29 20:16, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 29 Sep 2026 10:45:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> None of this was 'science' - it was just fiddling with things to see
>>>>> what happened and teaching the useful results to the next generation.
>>>>
>>>> https://ethw.org/Edison_Effect
>>>>
>>>> Almost all of Edison's successes resulted from intense fiddling. He even
>>>> played a part in the development of the fluoroscope but gave up the
>>>> project when one of assistants died from exposure. The risks weren't 
>>>> well
>>>> known. I remember the machines in shoe stores in the '50s where you 
>>>> could
>>>> peer at an x-ray of your feet to see how well the shoes fit.
>>>
>>> Progress :-)
>> 
>>    I remember those machines ! By the time I might
>>    have needed one though they'd all been unplugged
>>    and shoved into a corner.
>> 
>>    Apparently the prob wasn't with the customers, but
>>    with the salesmen who might get a dozen doses a day.
>> 
>>    Now ... MIGHT replace the net effect using some kind
>>    of ultra-sound image.
>
>X-Ray machines were high power, not even doctors use them nowdays. They 
>use photos instead, now made with a electronic sensors, not chemicals. 
>So very low power.

Old tube color TVs had a PD500 stabilizer tube in parallel with the high voltage.
Those emitted xrays and were always housed in a metal case.
At work some guy got some burn in his face after working on a monitor
with the metal shield removed.
All monitors at work were tested for radiation after that!

You can make your own Xray machine with those tubes:
 https://duckduckgo.com/?q=PD500+make+your+own+xray+generator
 
   http://www.qrp.gr/page/xrays/pd500.htm

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#723065 — Re: OT - TV (now radio)

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-01 03:32 -0400
SubjectRe: OT - TV (now radio)
Message-ID<bNGdndQjQvbnkSP3nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#723063
On 10/1/26 02:50, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
>>> On 2026-09-30 21:28, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 9/30/26 05:58, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-09-29 20:16, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 29 Sep 2026 10:45:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> None of this was 'science' - it was just fiddling with things to see
>>>>>> what happened and teaching the useful results to the next generation.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://ethw.org/Edison_Effect
>>>>>
>>>>> Almost all of Edison's successes resulted from intense fiddling. He even
>>>>> played a part in the development of the fluoroscope but gave up the
>>>>> project when one of assistants died from exposure. The risks weren't
>>>>> well
>>>>> known. I remember the machines in shoe stores in the '50s where you
>>>>> could
>>>>> peer at an x-ray of your feet to see how well the shoes fit.
>>>>
>>>> Progress :-)
>>>
>>>     I remember those machines ! By the time I might
>>>     have needed one though they'd all been unplugged
>>>     and shoved into a corner.
>>>
>>>     Apparently the prob wasn't with the customers, but
>>>     with the salesmen who might get a dozen doses a day.
>>>
>>>     Now ... MIGHT replace the net effect using some kind
>>>     of ultra-sound image.
>>
>> X-Ray machines were high power, not even doctors use them nowdays. They
>> use photos instead, now made with a electronic sensors, not chemicals.
>> So very low power.
> 
> Old tube color TVs had a PD500 stabilizer tube in parallel with the high voltage.
> Those emitted xrays and were always housed in a metal case.
> At work some guy got some burn in his face after working on a monitor
> with the metal shield removed.
> All monitors at work were tested for radiation after that!
> 
> You can make your own Xray machine with those tubes:
>   https://duckduckgo.com/?q=PD500+make+your+own+xray+generator
>   
>     http://www.qrp.gr/page/xrays/pd500.htm

   Had a very old color TV ... it had nearly
   an INCH of lead-glass over the tube to cut
   the X-rays. The glass had become a bit cloudy
   due to long exposure  :-)

   Yea, THAT bad.

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#723077 — Re: OT - TV (now radio)

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-01 12:37 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV (now radio)
Message-ID<119lgmd$147lq$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723043
On 01/10/2026 00:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-09-30 21:28, c186282 wrote:
>> On 9/30/26 05:58, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-09-29 20:16, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 29 Sep 2026 10:45:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> None of this was 'science' - it was just fiddling with things to see
>>>>> what happened and teaching the useful results to the next generation.
>>>>
>>>> https://ethw.org/Edison_Effect
>>>>
>>>> Almost all of Edison's successes resulted from intense fiddling. He 
>>>> even
>>>> played a part in the development of the fluoroscope but gave up the
>>>> project when one of assistants died from exposure. The risks weren't 
>>>> well
>>>> known. I remember the machines in shoe stores in the '50s where you 
>>>> could
>>>> peer at an x-ray of your feet to see how well the shoes fit.
>>>
>>> Progress :-)
>>
>>    I remember those machines ! By the time I might
>>    have needed one though they'd all been unplugged
>>    and shoved into a corner.
>>
>>    Apparently the prob wasn't with the customers, but
>>    with the salesmen who might get a dozen doses a day.
>>
>>    Now ... MIGHT replace the net effect using some kind
>>    of ultra-sound image.
> 
> X-Ray machines were high power, not even doctors use them nowdays. They 
> use photos instead, now made with a electronic sensors, not chemicals. 
> So very low power.
> 
ITYM fluoroscopes. Not x-ray machines. We still use x-ray machines

Plenty of older photo style machines still in use.

Although fluoroscopes (real time x-ray imagers) are now pulsed digital 
for less radiactioacvity

-- 
There’s a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons 
that sound good.

Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)

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#723107 — Re: OT - TV (now radio)

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-01 22:10 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV (now radio)
Message-ID<ni7t1mFe6mU8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#723077
On 2026-10-01 13:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 01/10/2026 00:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-09-30 21:28, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 9/30/26 05:58, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-09-29 20:16, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 29 Sep 2026 10:45:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> None of this was 'science' - it was just fiddling with things to see
>>>>>> what happened and teaching the useful results to the next generation.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://ethw.org/Edison_Effect
>>>>>
>>>>> Almost all of Edison's successes resulted from intense fiddling. He 
>>>>> even
>>>>> played a part in the development of the fluoroscope but gave up the
>>>>> project when one of assistants died from exposure. The risks 
>>>>> weren't well
>>>>> known. I remember the machines in shoe stores in the '50s where you 
>>>>> could
>>>>> peer at an x-ray of your feet to see how well the shoes fit.
>>>>
>>>> Progress :-)
>>>
>>>    I remember those machines ! By the time I might
>>>    have needed one though they'd all been unplugged
>>>    and shoved into a corner.
>>>
>>>    Apparently the prob wasn't with the customers, but
>>>    with the salesmen who might get a dozen doses a day.
>>>
>>>    Now ... MIGHT replace the net effect using some kind
>>>    of ultra-sound image.
>>
>> X-Ray machines were high power, not even doctors use them nowdays. 
>> They use photos instead, now made with a electronic sensors, not 
>> chemicals. So very low power.
>>
> ITYM fluoroscopes. Not x-ray machines. We still use x-ray machines
> 
> Plenty of older photo style machines still in use.
> 
> Although fluoroscopes (real time x-ray imagers) are now pulsed digital 
> for less radiactioacvity

I have not seen doctors using them in ages.

My old doctor, now retired, had a bronze plate at the entrance to the 
building (his clinic was in a residential flat) that said he had an 
X-Ray machine. As a kid those things were used often (on me). This 
doctor never used the machine in the XXI century. I don't know if he 
removed the machine or not.


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#723120 — Re: OT - TV (now radio)

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-01 23:45 -0400
SubjectRe: OT - TV (now radio)
Message-ID<U-6cnfcZmrh7tSL3nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#723107
On 10/1/26 16:10, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-10-01 13:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 01/10/2026 00:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-09-30 21:28, c186282 wrote:
>>>> On 9/30/26 05:58, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-09-29 20:16, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Sep 2026 10:45:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> None of this was 'science' - it was just fiddling with things to see
>>>>>>> what happened and teaching the useful results to the next 
>>>>>>> generation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://ethw.org/Edison_Effect
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Almost all of Edison's successes resulted from intense fiddling. 
>>>>>> He even
>>>>>> played a part in the development of the fluoroscope but gave up the
>>>>>> project when one of assistants died from exposure. The risks 
>>>>>> weren't well
>>>>>> known. I remember the machines in shoe stores in the '50s where 
>>>>>> you could
>>>>>> peer at an x-ray of your feet to see how well the shoes fit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Progress :-)
>>>>
>>>>    I remember those machines ! By the time I might
>>>>    have needed one though they'd all been unplugged
>>>>    and shoved into a corner.
>>>>
>>>>    Apparently the prob wasn't with the customers, but
>>>>    with the salesmen who might get a dozen doses a day.
>>>>
>>>>    Now ... MIGHT replace the net effect using some kind
>>>>    of ultra-sound image.
>>>
>>> X-Ray machines were high power, not even doctors use them nowdays. 
>>> They use photos instead, now made with a electronic sensors, not 
>>> chemicals. So very low power.
>>>
>> ITYM fluoroscopes. Not x-ray machines. We still use x-ray machines
>>
>> Plenty of older photo style machines still in use.
>>
>> Although fluoroscopes (real time x-ray imagers) are now pulsed digital 
>> for less radiactioacvity
> 
> I have not seen doctors using them in ages.


   Really WAY WAY too much radiation, and not
   just for the patient. Enough rays to light
   up a screen the human eye can see - extreme.

   I think there are alt-approach solutions now,
   like if they're trying to place a cardiac
   stent or whatever. The docs do NOT stand in
   the radiation path anymore though.

   But, through the 50s, radiation was measured
   in friendly "sunshine units" :-)


> My old doctor, now retired, had a bronze plate at the entrance to the 
> building (his clinic was in a residential flat) that said he had an X- 
> Ray machine. As a kid those things were used often (on me). This doctor 
> never used the machine in the XXI century. I don't know if he removed 
> the machine or not.

   I'll buy it if it's still in a storage closet ! :-)

   Modern 'devices' are more compact and CLOSED than
   ever. WOULD like to be able to see into them.

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