Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]
Groups > comp.os.linux.advocacy > #720264 > unrolled thread
| Started by | L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> |
|---|---|
| First post | 2026-08-15 20:45 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-08-17 00:12 -0400 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 126 — 20 participants |
Back to article view | Back to comp.os.linux.advocacy
Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 20:45 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:10 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 21:15 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:21 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-15 22:56 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 19:36 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-16 08:53 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 02:26 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-16 03:01 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 09:48 -0700
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 12:54 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 17:49 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 19:33 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:39 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-17 21:01 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 20:13 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-16 14:30 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 17:44 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-16 17:01 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 00:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 16:58 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 13:45 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 18:59 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:16 -0400
OT (was: Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 21:20 +0100
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 16:42 -0400
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 22:21 +0100
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:23 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:24 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:40 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:44 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:51 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 11:20 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 10:24 -0700
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 13:58 +0100
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 20:51 -0400
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:01 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 02:55 +0000
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-19 18:30 +0000
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-19 22:19 +0100
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 15:41 +0000
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-20 17:05 +0100
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 17:57 +0000
Re: OT "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-20 18:59 +0100
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 18:48 +0000
Re: OT Oz roads /satnavs "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-20 21:23 +0100
Re: OT Oz roads /satnavs Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-21 07:40 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:50 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:32 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:26 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 22:44 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 03:36 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:43 +0100
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 18:08 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:05 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 20:26 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 22:12 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:16 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 22:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-18 08:39 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:15 +1000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:25 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:44 +1000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:18 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 08:36 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:16 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 18:07 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-17 23:40 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 19:45 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 02:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:10 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 00:48 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:26 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-18 08:55 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:24 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:37 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-18 20:51 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:04 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 20:53 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-19 22:11 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 11:58 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 21:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-20 21:06 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:50 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 18:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 04:32 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 05:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:52 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:08 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 22:54 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 04:11 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:25 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 15:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:30 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:30 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 22:52 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-19 05:54 +0200
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:47 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:26 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:42 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-20 01:42 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-16 20:25 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 23:42 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-16 08:45 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-16 04:59 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-16 08:09 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-16 15:13 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-16 16:14 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-16 20:26 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-16 11:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 13:45 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-16 13:01 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-16 20:15 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-16 14:48 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 10:32 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-08-17 18:13 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 00:12 -0400
Page 5 of 7 — ← Prev page 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 7 Next page →
| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-18 08:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6a845631$0$19$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #720465 |
On 2026-08-17 10:51 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 00:47:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-08-17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>> I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working >>>> to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of private >>>> property. (We could quibble about these companies being private >>>> themselves, or just acknowledge that they're more part of the >>>> government than private citizens.) >>> >>> Karl Marx would be spinning in his grave if he knew you were >>> claiming that the corporations whose power he was against were in >>> any way the fulfilment of his ideas. >> >> That's the lovely thing about irony. :-) > > Point being, it’s just wrong. Communism is about the Government taking > control of the means of production, not about the owners of the means > of production taking control of the Government. > > To understand the difference, just compare the USA with China right > now. One of those is doing one of those things, the other is doing the > other one of those things. When you consider how companies are being swallowed up by bigger entities putting power of production into the hands of fewer and fewer people, it's almost as if we are going in the same direction with capitalism. The only difference is that with Communism, the government is the one exploiting the workers. -- CrudeSausage M4 MacBook Air Matthew 7:15 John 14:6
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-18 17:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116210n$1v4qd$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #720526 |
On 18/08/2026 13:55, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 2026-08-17 10:51 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 00:47:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> On 2026-08-17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>> >>>>> I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working >>>>> to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of private >>>>> property. (We could quibble about these companies being private >>>>> themselves, or just acknowledge that they're more part of the >>>>> government than private citizens.) >>>> >>>> Karl Marx would be spinning in his grave if he knew you were >>>> claiming that the corporations whose power he was against were in >>>> any way the fulfilment of his ideas. >>> >>> That's the lovely thing about irony. :-) >> >> Point being, it’s just wrong. Communism is about the Government taking >> control of the means of production, not about the owners of the means >> of production taking control of the Government. >> >> To understand the difference, just compare the USA with China right >> now. One of those is doing one of those things, the other is doing the >> other one of those things. > > When you consider how companies are being swallowed up by bigger > entities putting power of production into the hands of fewer and fewer > people, it's almost as if we are going in the same direction with > capitalism. The only difference is that with Communism, the government > is the one exploiting the workers. > They are in fact merging. The so called 'right' - the corpocracy - is telling the sheeple that it is in fact a sort of acceptable communism. Gonna see you right, bro. -- Climate is what you expect but weather is what you get. Mark Twain
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-18 16:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <YS%gS.22329$B3ve.19649@fx06.iad> |
| In reply to | #720543 |
On 2026-08-18, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 18/08/2026 13:55, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> On 2026-08-17 10:51 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 00:47:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>> On 2026-08-17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working >>>>>> to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of private >>>>>> property. (We could quibble about these companies being private >>>>>> themselves, or just acknowledge that they're more part of the >>>>>> government than private citizens.) >>>>> >>>>> Karl Marx would be spinning in his grave if he knew you were >>>>> claiming that the corporations whose power he was against were in >>>>> any way the fulfilment of his ideas. >>>> >>>> That's the lovely thing about irony. :-) >>> >>> Point being, it’s just wrong. Communism is about the Government taking >>> control of the means of production, not about the owners of the means >>> of production taking control of the Government. >>> >>> To understand the difference, just compare the USA with China right >>> now. One of those is doing one of those things, the other is doing the >>> other one of those things. >> >> When you consider how companies are being swallowed up by bigger >> entities putting power of production into the hands of fewer and fewer >> people, it's almost as if we are going in the same direction with >> capitalism. The only difference is that with Communism, the government >> is the one exploiting the workers. > > They are in fact merging. > The so called 'right' - the corpocracy - is telling the sheeple that it > is in fact a sort of acceptable communism. Gonna see you right, bro. Many people view the political spectrum as a line stretching off to infinity in both directions. The left end is known as a "worker's paradise" by the left-wingers, and "godless communism" by the right-wingers. The right end is known as "sweetness and light" by the right-wingers and God knows what by the left-wingers. (Corporatocracy, perhaps, or maybe "corporate fascism".) In actual fact, the ends of this line curve around and meet, meaning that Hitler and Stalin really aren't that far apart. As somone once said in one of these discussions, the extremists all meet somewhere around on the dark side. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-18 20:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6a84fdfa$1$27$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #720546 |
On 2026-08-18 12:37 p.m., Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-08-18, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> On 18/08/2026 13:55, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> On 2026-08-17 10:51 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 00:47:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2026-08-17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working >>>>>>> to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of private >>>>>>> property. (We could quibble about these companies being private >>>>>>> themselves, or just acknowledge that they're more part of the >>>>>>> government than private citizens.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Karl Marx would be spinning in his grave if he knew you were >>>>>> claiming that the corporations whose power he was against were in >>>>>> any way the fulfilment of his ideas. >>>>> >>>>> That's the lovely thing about irony. :-) >>>> >>>> Point being, it’s just wrong. Communism is about the Government taking >>>> control of the means of production, not about the owners of the means >>>> of production taking control of the Government. >>>> >>>> To understand the difference, just compare the USA with China right >>>> now. One of those is doing one of those things, the other is doing the >>>> other one of those things. >>> >>> When you consider how companies are being swallowed up by bigger >>> entities putting power of production into the hands of fewer and fewer >>> people, it's almost as if we are going in the same direction with >>> capitalism. The only difference is that with Communism, the government >>> is the one exploiting the workers. >> >> They are in fact merging. >> The so called 'right' - the corpocracy - is telling the sheeple that it >> is in fact a sort of acceptable communism. Gonna see you right, bro. > > Many people view the political spectrum as a line stretching off to > infinity in both directions. The left end is known as a "worker's > paradise" by the left-wingers, and "godless communism" by the > right-wingers. The right end is known as "sweetness and light" > by the right-wingers and God knows what by the left-wingers. > (Corporatocracy, perhaps, or maybe "corporate fascism".) > > In actual fact, the ends of this line curve around and meet, > meaning that Hitler and Stalin really aren't that far apart. > As somone once said in one of these discussions, the extremists > all meet somewhere around on the dark side. Since Hitler and Stalin aren't that far apart, we don't need to wonder what would happen if Communists and their Muslims allies in North America would do if they manage to take a greater amount of power. War and misery is on the menu. -- CrudeSausage M4 MacBook Air Matthew 7:15 John 14:6
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-19 15:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1164d4o$2le0s$18@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #720591 |
On 19/08/2026 01:51, CrudeSausage wrote: > Since Hitler and Stalin aren't that far apart, we don't need to wonder > what would happen if Communists and their Muslims allies in North > America would do if they manage to take a greater amount of power. War > and misery is on the menu. The Left LOVE Islam. 'Queers for Palestine' is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Churchill described Islam as a "militant and proselytizing faith" and asserted that "the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it" In the same text, he criticized what he perceived as a "fatalistic apathy", economic stagnation, and the status of women under traditional interpretations of Islamic law And, in fact that is exactly true of the hard left of today as well. Apart from the woman bit. The problem is that the rational materialism of the post modern intellectuals has eroded any semblance of religious faith and morality in those who espouse it and left a massive vacuum in those who simply need something - anything - to Believe In. And give them some kind of Moral Compass. Into that vacuum steps Communism, Wokeism, Political correctness, Liberalism, Radical Islam . the Greens and of course yer axshul Donald Trump and MAGA. All promising salvation. And sa simple set of moral guidelines 'America first. fuck the foreigners' 'God is great, fuck the infidels' . 'Everybody is really nice, kill the bastards who don't think so' And so on. -- A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-19 20:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nemjedFpub2U15@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #720623 |
On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 15:04:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > The Left LOVE Islam. 'Queers for Palestine' is the most ridiculous > thing I have ever heard. That's led to some very strange bedfellows. The paleoconservatives and other segments of the right never had much use for Israel not that they have any love for the Islamics. The majority US Jews are Democrats and some are further to the left like Sanders. So now the left doesn't like Israel which leads to some cognitive dissonance for the older lefties. Horseshoe indeed. I think US politics is going to get weirder than usual in the coming years. 'Weimar' comes up more frequently in conversations.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-19 22:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6a86624d$0$23$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #720623 |
On 2026-08-19 10:04 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 19/08/2026 01:51, CrudeSausage wrote: >> Since Hitler and Stalin aren't that far apart, we don't need to wonder >> what would happen if Communists and their Muslims allies in North >> America would do if they manage to take a greater amount of power. War >> and misery is on the menu. > > The Left LOVE Islam. 'Queers for Palestine' is the most ridiculous > thing I have ever heard. > > Churchill described Islam as a "militant and proselytizing faith" and > asserted that "the influence of the religion paralyses the social > development of those who follow it" In the same text, he criticized what > he perceived as a "fatalistic apathy", economic stagnation, and the > status of women under traditional interpretations of Islamic law > > And, in fact that is exactly true of the hard left of today as well. > Apart from the woman bit. > > The problem is that the rational materialism of the post modern > intellectuals has eroded any semblance of religious faith and morality > in those who espouse it and left a massive vacuum in those who simply > need something - anything - to Believe In. And give them some kind of > Moral Compass. > > Into that vacuum steps Communism, Wokeism, Political correctness, > Liberalism, Radical Islam . the Greens and of course yer axshul Donald > Trump and MAGA. > > All promising salvation. And sa simple set of moral guidelines 'America > first. fuck the foreigners' 'God is great, fuck the infidels' . > 'Everybody is really nice, kill the bastards who don't think so' > > And so on. At some point, salvation comes from simply turning all electronics off and not paying attention anymore. -- CrudeSausage M4 MacBook Air Matthew 7:15 John 14:6
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-20 11:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1166mkn$3drqq$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #720662 |
On 20/08/2026 03:11, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 2026-08-19 10:04 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 19/08/2026 01:51, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> Since Hitler and Stalin aren't that far apart, we don't need to >>> wonder what would happen if Communists and their Muslims allies in >>> North America would do if they manage to take a greater amount of >>> power. War and misery is on the menu. >> >> The Left LOVE Islam. 'Queers for Palestine' is the most ridiculous >> thing I have ever heard. >> >> Churchill described Islam as a "militant and proselytizing faith" and >> asserted that "the influence of the religion paralyses the social >> development of those who follow it" In the same text, he criticized >> what he perceived as a "fatalistic apathy", economic stagnation, and >> the status of women under traditional interpretations of Islamic law >> >> And, in fact that is exactly true of the hard left of today as well. >> Apart from the woman bit. >> >> The problem is that the rational materialism of the post modern >> intellectuals has eroded any semblance of religious faith and morality >> in those who espouse it and left a massive vacuum in those who simply >> need something - anything - to Believe In. And give them some kind of >> Moral Compass. >> >> Into that vacuum steps Communism, Wokeism, Political correctness, >> Liberalism, Radical Islam . the Greens and of course yer axshul Donald >> Trump and MAGA. >> >> All promising salvation. And sa simple set of moral guidelines >> 'America first. fuck the foreigners' 'God is great, fuck the infidels' >> . 'Everybody is really nice, kill the bastards who don't think so' >> >> And so on. > > At some point, salvation comes from simply turning all electronics off > and not paying attention anymore. > That would be fine if it was just your head: I ran into the fringes of an animal rights demonstration once. Now I have had loaded guns pointed at me, but the wild eyed guy with the placard shrieking ' kill the murderers' was far more scary... You need to know where the next crazy is coming from... -- To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-20 21:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nepb7eFpub2U41@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #720685 |
On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 11:58:31 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > That would be fine if it was just your head: I ran into the fringes of > an animal rights demonstration once. Now I have had loaded guns pointed > at me, but the wild eyed guy with the placard shrieking ' kill the > murderers' > was far more scary... > > You need to know where the next crazy is coming from... The demonstrations in this area are quite peaceful and laid back. They might be nutters but they do know who is going to lose if they play Cowboys and Crazies'.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-20 21:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6a87a4ab$0$21$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #720685 |
On 2026-08-20 6:58 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 20/08/2026 03:11, CrudeSausage wrote: >> On 2026-08-19 10:04 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 19/08/2026 01:51, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>> Since Hitler and Stalin aren't that far apart, we don't need to >>>> wonder what would happen if Communists and their Muslims allies in >>>> North America would do if they manage to take a greater amount of >>>> power. War and misery is on the menu. >>> >>> The Left LOVE Islam. 'Queers for Palestine' is the most ridiculous >>> thing I have ever heard. >>> >>> Churchill described Islam as a "militant and proselytizing faith" and >>> asserted that "the influence of the religion paralyses the social >>> development of those who follow it" In the same text, he criticized >>> what he perceived as a "fatalistic apathy", economic stagnation, and >>> the status of women under traditional interpretations of Islamic law >>> >>> And, in fact that is exactly true of the hard left of today as well. >>> Apart from the woman bit. >>> >>> The problem is that the rational materialism of the post modern >>> intellectuals has eroded any semblance of religious faith and >>> morality in those who espouse it and left a massive vacuum in those >>> who simply need something - anything - to Believe In. And give them >>> some kind of Moral Compass. >>> >>> Into that vacuum steps Communism, Wokeism, Political correctness, >>> Liberalism, Radical Islam . the Greens and of course yer axshul >>> Donald Trump and MAGA. >>> >>> All promising salvation. And sa simple set of moral guidelines >>> 'America first. fuck the foreigners' 'God is great, fuck the >>> infidels' . 'Everybody is really nice, kill the bastards who don't >>> think so' >>> >>> And so on. >> >> At some point, salvation comes from simply turning all electronics off >> and not paying attention anymore. >> > That would be fine if it was just your head: I ran into the fringes of > an animal rights demonstration once. Now I have had loaded guns pointed > at me, but the wild eyed guy with the placard shrieking ' kill the > murderers' was far more scary... > > You need to know where the next crazy is coming from... Which is part of why it is difficult for _me_ to turn off the screen. I'm trying to pay less attention to what's going on in the United States though. Much like YouTube which knows you so well that it always has yet another video for you to watch, American news has just enough drama for you to keep your eyes peeled. Trying to get away from what seems to be an endless distraction is proving to be very difficult. -- CrudeSausage M4 MacBook Air Matthew 7:15 John 14:6
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-21 13:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1169hi4$9sqa$12@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #720750 |
On 21/08/2026 02:06, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 2026-08-20 6:58 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 20/08/2026 03:11, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> On 2026-08-19 10:04 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 19/08/2026 01:51, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>>> Since Hitler and Stalin aren't that far apart, we don't need to >>>>> wonder what would happen if Communists and their Muslims allies in >>>>> North America would do if they manage to take a greater amount of >>>>> power. War and misery is on the menu. >>>> >>>> The Left LOVE Islam. 'Queers for Palestine' is the most ridiculous >>>> thing I have ever heard. >>>> >>>> Churchill described Islam as a "militant and proselytizing faith" >>>> and asserted that "the influence of the religion paralyses the >>>> social development of those who follow it" In the same text, he >>>> criticized what he perceived as a "fatalistic apathy", economic >>>> stagnation, and the status of women under traditional >>>> interpretations of Islamic law >>>> >>>> And, in fact that is exactly true of the hard left of today as well. >>>> Apart from the woman bit. >>>> >>>> The problem is that the rational materialism of the post modern >>>> intellectuals has eroded any semblance of religious faith and >>>> morality in those who espouse it and left a massive vacuum in those >>>> who simply need something - anything - to Believe In. And give them >>>> some kind of Moral Compass. >>>> >>>> Into that vacuum steps Communism, Wokeism, Political correctness, >>>> Liberalism, Radical Islam . the Greens and of course yer axshul >>>> Donald Trump and MAGA. >>>> >>>> All promising salvation. And sa simple set of moral guidelines >>>> 'America first. fuck the foreigners' 'God is great, fuck the >>>> infidels' . 'Everybody is really nice, kill the bastards who don't >>>> think so' >>>> >>>> And so on. >>> >>> At some point, salvation comes from simply turning all electronics >>> off and not paying attention anymore. >>> >> That would be fine if it was just your head: I ran into the fringes of >> an animal rights demonstration once. Now I have had loaded guns >> pointed at me, but the wild eyed guy with the placard shrieking ' kill >> the murderers' was far more scary... >> >> You need to know where the next crazy is coming from... > > Which is part of why it is difficult for _me_ to turn off the screen. > I'm trying to pay less attention to what's going on in the United States > though. Much like YouTube which knows you so well that it always has yet > another video for you to watch, American news has just enough drama for > you to keep your eyes peeled. Trying to get away from what seems to be > an endless distraction is proving to be very difficult. > These days I have somehow arrived at a helicopter view. I KNOW that its 99.9% propaganda paid for by someone who has a vested interest in shoving shit into your brain, so I try to have a meta view, to work out who is that someone and why they want that particular shit shoved in. It's remarkable how the probable answer comes up as 'the Kremlin' 'Arab oil states' or 'Some Big Business' -- You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone. Al Capone
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-21 18:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nerl97Fpub2U55@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #720774 |
On Fri, 21 Aug 2026 13:50:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > These days I have somehow arrived at a helicopter view. > I KNOW that its 99.9% propaganda paid for by someone who has a vested > interest in shoving shit into your brain, so I try to have a meta view, > to work out who is that someone and why they want that particular shit > shoved in. Comparison of the propaganda is interesting. It isn't in the news cycle today but often the western press reports on Ukrainian civilians killed by Russian drones. Oddly RT reports on Russian civilians killed by Ukrainian drones. Sometimes there is an element of humor. https://www.rt.com/russia/644451-rt-speaks-with-russian-farmer-fined- firing-ukrainian-uav/ "Nikolay Mukhin has said his love for his country drove him to try to down the drone with his shotgun" You've got to give the old guy an A for effort. He was fined for discharging the shotgun and the shotgun was confiscated but the court reversed the decision. He would so fit in around here. That propaganda war isn't a pimple on the ass of the Middle East propaganda. Even the US MSM is having a hard time reporting on that with a straight face.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-19 04:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nekpvkFe0jfU15@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #720546 |
On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 16:37:12 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > In actual fact, the ends of this line curve around and meet, meaning > that Hitler and Stalin really aren't that far apart. > As somone once said in one of these discussions, the extremists all meet > somewhere around on the dark side. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory I think it was Goebbels that remarked that a KPD radical that had a change of heart made a really good SA soldier. You do have to be careful as the Strassers found out.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-19 05:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tfbhS.30508$EDc8.14824@fx24.iad> |
| In reply to | #720597 |
On 2026-08-19, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 16:37:12 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> In actual fact, the ends of this line curve around and meet, meaning >> that Hitler and Stalin really aren't that far apart. >> As somone once said in one of these discussions, the extremists all meet >> somewhere around on the dark side. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory Bingo! That looks a lot like my theory. I think the Taliban are somewhere off the ends. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-19 14:52 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1164cek$2le0s$17@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #720546 |
On 18/08/2026 17:37, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > n actual fact, the ends of this line curve around and meet, > meaning that Hitler and Stalin really aren't that far apart. > As somone once said in one of these discussions, the extremists > all meet somewhere around on the dark side. Both communism and corpocracy have one thing in common. No decisions or wealth should be left in the hands of the little people. We are slaves, either to the State or the Company. And as they call it in Communist [ANC] run South Africa, 'State Capture' ensures that they are essentially the same thing. -- "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." Jonathan Swift.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-19 21:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nemka1Fpub2U16@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #720622 |
On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 14:52:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 18/08/2026 17:37, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> n actual fact, the ends of this line curve around and meet, meaning >> that Hitler and Stalin really aren't that far apart. As somone once >> said in one of these discussions, the extremists all meet somewhere >> around on the dark side. > > Both communism and corpocracy have one thing in common. No decisions or > wealth should be left in the hands of the little people. Big Business and State Socialism are very much alike, especially Big Business.” “Too much capitalism does not mean too many capitalists, but too few capitalists.” G.K. Chesterton https://www.chesterton.org/quotations/economic-theory-and-distributism/ Chesterton and Belloc's distributism followed from Catholic social doctrine which followed from Leo XIII's Rerum Novarum. https://www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l- xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum.html The current Leo certainly isn't equivalent to his namesake. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-19 22:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <iuqhS.48260$9DC1.41783@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #720644 |
On 2026-08-19, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > “Too much capitalism does not mean too many capitalists, but too few > capitalists.” > > G.K. Chesterton *applause* -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-20 04:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nend43Fpub2U29@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #720647 |
On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 22:54:06 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-08-19, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> “Too much capitalism does not mean too many capitalists, but too few >> capitalists.” >> >> G.K. Chesterton > > *applause* He did have a way with words. It gets a bit strange toward the end but I think of 'The Man Who Was Thursday' every time the FBI makes one of their orchestrated busts. Six out of seven of the members of the underground anarchist cell were actually undercover detectives of various agencies.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-18 10:25 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <11618dq$1mmpl$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #720458 |
On 18/08/2026 01:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > "Corporatocracy" seems to be preferable. Corpocracy. Be British. Don't multiply syllables beyond necessity. (William of Occam, A Brit, adapted).. -- "Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them" Margaret Thatcher
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-18 15:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nejcbcFe0jfU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #720512 |
On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 10:25:14 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 18/08/2026 01:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> "Corporatocracy" seems to be preferable. > Corpocracy. Be British. Don't multiply syllables beyond necessity. > (William of Occam, A Brit, adapted).. That might be confused with coprophagia -- or perhaps they are the same thing. I've always had a soft spot for Old Bill, not wanting to dwell in Plato's Cloud Cuckoo Land.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
Page 5 of 7 — ← Prev page 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 7 Next page →
Back to top | Article view | comp.os.linux.advocacy
csiph-web