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  "Rex" vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-07-07 01:00 +0000
    Re: "Rex" Distro Lackey <dl@lackey.com> - 2026-07-09 01:15 +0000
    Re: "Rex" RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-07-10 07:23 +0000
      Re: "Rex" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-07-10 03:44 -0400
      Re: "Rex" CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-07-10 07:29 -0400
        Re: "Rex" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-07-10 07:33 -0400
        Re: "Rex" rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-10 19:42 +0000
          Re: "Rex" CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-07-10 21:54 -0400
            Re: "Rex" rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-11 04:13 +0000
            Re: "Rex" RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-07-11 19:03 +0000
        Re: "Rex" RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-07-11 18:59 +0000
          Re: "Rex" rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-12 00:19 +0000
            Re: "Rex" RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 06:53 +0000

#717547 — "Rex"

https://www.phoronix.com/review/ryzen-ai-linux-os

A distro from AMD focusing on "AI" development using
their spandy-new processors.

Available as an installation option, along with Windows.  Smart
AI developers will go with the leader and choose Linux, natch.

-- 
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   NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Mobile (6G) 610.43.02
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#717650

On Tue, 07 Jul 2026 01:00:59 +0000, vallor wrote:

> 
> Smart AI developers ...
>

A "smart AI developer" is a contradiction in terms.

But I suppose by "AI" that you actually mean "LLM."

The "other" AI, or Neural Networks, is a different animal
but it is still somewhat repulsive to an intelligent man.

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#717756

On 2026-07-07, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:
> https://www.phoronix.com/review/ryzen-ai-linux-os
>
> A distro from AMD focusing on "AI" development using
> their spandy-new processors.
>
> Available as an installation option, along with Windows.  Smart
> AI developers will go with the leader and choose Linux, natch.

Ugh. That's one distribution I'll never try.

-- 
Not all Jews are Zionists. Not all Zionists are Jews. Zionism ≠ Judaism.

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#717760

On 7/10/2026 3:23 AM, RonB wrote:
> On 2026-07-07, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:
>> https://www.phoronix.com/review/ryzen-ai-linux-os
>>
>> A distro from AMD focusing on "AI" development using
>> their spandy-new processors.
>>
>> Available as an installation option, along with Windows.  Smart
>> AI developers will go with the leader and choose Linux, natch.
> 
> Ugh. That's one distribution I'll never try.


I'm OK with Win11's, and apparently Linux's, AI stuff.  The chat 
function with Copilot is sometimes handy.  In terms of what it can do 
behind the scenes, it's a way to organize the computer.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

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#717761

On 2026-07-10 3:23 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2026-07-07, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:
>> https://www.phoronix.com/review/ryzen-ai-linux-os
>>
>> A distro from AMD focusing on "AI" development using
>> their spandy-new processors.
>>
>> Available as an installation option, along with Windows.  Smart
>> AI developers will go with the leader and choose Linux, natch.
> 
> Ugh. That's one distribution I'll never try.

Just about everyone has decided that they will go in the direction of 
AI. Bryan Lunduke posted a video from the offices of Microsoft, 
presumably demonstrating what the next, AI-focused, operating system 
would be like. Essentially, applications would be a thing of the past 
because everything would run withing Edge. 
<https://lunduke.substack.com/p/microsofts-project-aion-ai-desktop>

It's a nightmare, but that's what Microsoft and the H1B Indians that 
replaced hard-working Americans working there are going to try to sell 
you next.

-- 
CrudeSausage
M4 MacBook Air

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#717762

On 7/10/2026 7:29 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2026-07-10 3:23 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2026-07-07, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:
>>> https://www.phoronix.com/review/ryzen-ai-linux-os
>>>
>>> A distro from AMD focusing on "AI" development using
>>> their spandy-new processors.
>>>
>>> Available as an installation option, along with Windows.  Smart
>>> AI developers will go with the leader and choose Linux, natch.
>>
>> Ugh. That's one distribution I'll never try.
> 
> Just about everyone has decided that they will go in the direction of 
> AI. Bryan Lunduke posted a video from the offices of Microsoft, 
> presumably demonstrating what the next, AI-focused, operating system 
> would be like. Essentially, applications would be a thing of the past 
> because everything would run withing Edge. <https:// 
> lunduke.substack.com/p/microsofts-project-aion-ai-desktop>
> 
> It's a nightmare, but that's what Microsoft and the H1B Indians that 
> replaced hard-working Americans working there are going to try to sell 
> you next.


But I already have a solid, legit Win11 Pro system.  "Upgrading" is not 
in the cards, this time.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

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#717794

On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 07:29:57 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> On 2026-07-10 3:23 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2026-07-07, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:
>>> https://www.phoronix.com/review/ryzen-ai-linux-os
>>>
>>> A distro from AMD focusing on "AI" development using their spandy-new
>>> processors.
>>>
>>> Available as an installation option, along with Windows.  Smart AI
>>> developers will go with the leader and choose Linux, natch.
>> 
>> Ugh. That's one distribution I'll never try.
> 
> Just about everyone has decided that they will go in the direction of
> AI. Bryan Lunduke posted a video from the offices of Microsoft,
> presumably demonstrating what the next, AI-focused, operating system
> would be like. Essentially, applications would be a thing of the past
> because everything would run withing Edge.
> <https://lunduke.substack.com/p/microsofts-project-aion-ai-desktop>
> 
> It's a nightmare, but that's what Microsoft and the H1B Indians that
> replaced hard-working Americans working there are going to try to sell
> you next.

I finished Nadella's book 'Hit Refresh'. It was interesting if at times 
self-promotional. Note that it was published in 2017. In the final 
chapters he lays out his vision of the future, AI, mixed reality, and 
quantum computing all cloud based. 

Times change. His example of where AI was going was Cortana, that 
Microsoft took out behind the barn and shot about 5 years ago to be 
replaced by CoPilot. Same idea, I guess, although Cortana never approached 
Alexa's popularity. Amazon is still trying to monetize that one. Alexa was 
supposed to be primarily used to order stuff from Amazon, not turn the 
lights on and cue up your playlist. It has been a net loss so far.

For mixed reality he talked about HoloLens. I don't know if it's still 
available.  The smart glasses type devices may become more popular but 
they're not mixed reality. I'm not a gamer but I don't think headsets like 
the Quest series are the mixed reality he envisioned either.

As for quantum computing maybe some distant day.

He does address job displacement by AI at length and suggests humans can 
be retrained for meaningful, productive jobs augmented by AI. That's where 
my cynicism kicks in. Nadella and his wife come from upper middle class 
Indian families and his entire career has been in well educated circles. 
He hasn't had much experience with the chaiwala who is at the extent of 
his abilities to make tea.

Still he was what Microsoft needed. He looked around in 2008. Amazon was 
building out the AWS cloud infrastructure and MS had nothing. Google was 
cornering the search engine revenue; MS had nada. Windows Mobile wasn't 
going anywhere. The fiefdoms were entrenched and wanted to stay with 
business as usual even though it was going down fast.

He also tried to steer them away from the Ballmer approach. He mentions 
getting up at one conference and pulling out an iPhone. Gasps. Then he 
shows the applications loaded on the phone are all Microsoft. Can't beat 
them, join them. 

I don't have a crystal ball but I am aware many people will be dragged 
into the future kicking and screaming. 

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#717822

On 2026-07-10 3:42 p.m., rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 07:29:57 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-07-10 3:23 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2026-07-07, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:
>>>> https://www.phoronix.com/review/ryzen-ai-linux-os
>>>>
>>>> A distro from AMD focusing on "AI" development using their spandy-new
>>>> processors.
>>>>
>>>> Available as an installation option, along with Windows.  Smart AI
>>>> developers will go with the leader and choose Linux, natch.
>>>
>>> Ugh. That's one distribution I'll never try.
>>
>> Just about everyone has decided that they will go in the direction of
>> AI. Bryan Lunduke posted a video from the offices of Microsoft,
>> presumably demonstrating what the next, AI-focused, operating system
>> would be like. Essentially, applications would be a thing of the past
>> because everything would run withing Edge.
>> <https://lunduke.substack.com/p/microsofts-project-aion-ai-desktop>
>>
>> It's a nightmare, but that's what Microsoft and the H1B Indians that
>> replaced hard-working Americans working there are going to try to sell
>> you next.
> 
> I finished Nadella's book 'Hit Refresh'. It was interesting if at times
> self-promotional. Note that it was published in 2017. In the final
> chapters he lays out his vision of the future, AI, mixed reality, and
> quantum computing all cloud based.
> 
> Times change. His example of where AI was going was Cortana, that
> Microsoft took out behind the barn and shot about 5 years ago to be
> replaced by CoPilot. Same idea, I guess, although Cortana never approached
> Alexa's popularity. Amazon is still trying to monetize that one. Alexa was
> supposed to be primarily used to order stuff from Amazon, not turn the
> lights on and cue up your playlist. It has been a net loss so far.
> 
> For mixed reality he talked about HoloLens. I don't know if it's still
> available.  The smart glasses type devices may become more popular but
> they're not mixed reality. I'm not a gamer but I don't think headsets like
> the Quest series are the mixed reality he envisioned either.
> 
> As for quantum computing maybe some distant day.
> 
> He does address job displacement by AI at length and suggests humans can
> be retrained for meaningful, productive jobs augmented by AI. That's where
> my cynicism kicks in. Nadella and his wife come from upper middle class
> Indian families and his entire career has been in well educated circles.
> He hasn't had much experience with the chaiwala who is at the extent of
> his abilities to make tea.
> 
> Still he was what Microsoft needed. He looked around in 2008. Amazon was
> building out the AWS cloud infrastructure and MS had nothing. Google was
> cornering the search engine revenue; MS had nada. Windows Mobile wasn't
> going anywhere. The fiefdoms were entrenched and wanted to stay with
> business as usual even though it was going down fast.
> 
> He also tried to steer them away from the Ballmer approach. He mentions
> getting up at one conference and pulling out an iPhone. Gasps. Then he
> shows the applications loaded on the phone are all Microsoft. Can't beat
> them, join them.
> 
> I don't have a crystal ball but I am aware many people will be dragged
> into the future kicking and screaming.

I don't doubt that Nadella has a better vision of the future than I do, 
but that doesn't mean that I'm going to allow to have my own life 
changed by what he believes the future should and will be. The 
transition from the command line to the GUI was an easy one when I was a 
teenager since DOS couldn't multitask and I spent a lot of time 
wondering how much fun it would have been to use an Amiga or a Mac. 
Adding the Internet to my computing experience was also a welcome 
transition as it was a natural evolution of hanging out on bulletin 
board systems. However, the transition to "you'll do nothing but tell 
artificial intelligence what to do for you" doesn't make computing 
better. Yes, I'm impressed by the images artificial intelligence can 
create and even more by the videos it manages to produce from nothing, 
but the knowledge that humans are no longer the ones being created with 
such production bothers me immensely.

-- 
CrudeSausage
M4 MacBook Air
"Derka, derka, Muhammad jihad!"

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#717826

On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 21:54:28 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> However, the transition to "you'll do nothing but tell artificial
> intelligence what to do for you" doesn't make computing better. Yes, I'm
> impressed by the images artificial intelligence can create and even more
> by the videos it manages to produce from nothing, but the knowledge that
> humans are no longer the ones being created with such production bothers
> me immensely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKL-0w0nq70

Cats, motorcycles, and a hint of Lynryd Skynyrd. What can go wrong? That's 
fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0_BTJP9xP4

That gets a little more worrisome, particularly since I could pass for one 
of the AI generated characters. I use dark Nordic for ambient music and a 
lot of the videos are AI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg0TQyjdHJ0

At least some are still real.

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#717848

On 2026-07-11, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2026-07-10 3:42 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 07:29:57 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2026-07-10 3:23 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2026-07-07, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:
>>>>> https://www.phoronix.com/review/ryzen-ai-linux-os
>>>>>
>>>>> A distro from AMD focusing on "AI" development using their spandy-new
>>>>> processors.
>>>>>
>>>>> Available as an installation option, along with Windows.  Smart AI
>>>>> developers will go with the leader and choose Linux, natch.
>>>>
>>>> Ugh. That's one distribution I'll never try.
>>>
>>> Just about everyone has decided that they will go in the direction of
>>> AI. Bryan Lunduke posted a video from the offices of Microsoft,
>>> presumably demonstrating what the next, AI-focused, operating system
>>> would be like. Essentially, applications would be a thing of the past
>>> because everything would run withing Edge.
>>> <https://lunduke.substack.com/p/microsofts-project-aion-ai-desktop>
>>>
>>> It's a nightmare, but that's what Microsoft and the H1B Indians that
>>> replaced hard-working Americans working there are going to try to sell
>>> you next.
>> 
>> I finished Nadella's book 'Hit Refresh'. It was interesting if at times
>> self-promotional. Note that it was published in 2017. In the final
>> chapters he lays out his vision of the future, AI, mixed reality, and
>> quantum computing all cloud based.
>> 
>> Times change. His example of where AI was going was Cortana, that
>> Microsoft took out behind the barn and shot about 5 years ago to be
>> replaced by CoPilot. Same idea, I guess, although Cortana never approached
>> Alexa's popularity. Amazon is still trying to monetize that one. Alexa was
>> supposed to be primarily used to order stuff from Amazon, not turn the
>> lights on and cue up your playlist. It has been a net loss so far.
>> 
>> For mixed reality he talked about HoloLens. I don't know if it's still
>> available.  The smart glasses type devices may become more popular but
>> they're not mixed reality. I'm not a gamer but I don't think headsets like
>> the Quest series are the mixed reality he envisioned either.
>> 
>> As for quantum computing maybe some distant day.
>> 
>> He does address job displacement by AI at length and suggests humans can
>> be retrained for meaningful, productive jobs augmented by AI. That's where
>> my cynicism kicks in. Nadella and his wife come from upper middle class
>> Indian families and his entire career has been in well educated circles.
>> He hasn't had much experience with the chaiwala who is at the extent of
>> his abilities to make tea.
>> 
>> Still he was what Microsoft needed. He looked around in 2008. Amazon was
>> building out the AWS cloud infrastructure and MS had nothing. Google was
>> cornering the search engine revenue; MS had nada. Windows Mobile wasn't
>> going anywhere. The fiefdoms were entrenched and wanted to stay with
>> business as usual even though it was going down fast.
>> 
>> He also tried to steer them away from the Ballmer approach. He mentions
>> getting up at one conference and pulling out an iPhone. Gasps. Then he
>> shows the applications loaded on the phone are all Microsoft. Can't beat
>> them, join them.
>> 
>> I don't have a crystal ball but I am aware many people will be dragged
>> into the future kicking and screaming.
>
> I don't doubt that Nadella has a better vision of the future than I do, 
> but that doesn't mean that I'm going to allow to have my own life 
> changed by what he believes the future should and will be. The 
> transition from the command line to the GUI was an easy one when I was a 
> teenager since DOS couldn't multitask and I spent a lot of time 
> wondering how much fun it would have been to use an Amiga or a Mac. 
> Adding the Internet to my computing experience was also a welcome 
> transition as it was a natural evolution of hanging out on bulletin 
> board systems. However, the transition to "you'll do nothing but tell 
> artificial intelligence what to do for you" doesn't make computing 
> better. Yes, I'm impressed by the images artificial intelligence can 
> create and even more by the videos it manages to produce from nothing, 
> but the knowledge that humans are no longer the ones being created with 
> such production bothers me immensely.

I'm not impressed with anything AI. What I want is a filter on YouTube that 
filters out anything created (or "augmented") with AI crap.

-- 
Not all Jews are Zionists. Not all Zionists are Jews. Zionism ≠ Judaism.

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#717847

On 2026-07-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2026-07-10 3:23 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2026-07-07, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:
>>> https://www.phoronix.com/review/ryzen-ai-linux-os
>>>
>>> A distro from AMD focusing on "AI" development using
>>> their spandy-new processors.
>>>
>>> Available as an installation option, along with Windows.  Smart
>>> AI developers will go with the leader and choose Linux, natch.
>> 
>> Ugh. That's one distribution I'll never try.
>
> Just about everyone has decided that they will go in the direction of 
> AI. Bryan Lunduke posted a video from the offices of Microsoft, 
> presumably demonstrating what the next, AI-focused, operating system 
> would be like. Essentially, applications would be a thing of the past 
> because everything would run withing Edge. 
><https://lunduke.substack.com/p/microsofts-project-aion-ai-desktop>
>
> It's a nightmare, but that's what Microsoft and the H1B Indians that 
> replaced hard-working Americans working there are going to try to sell 
> you next.

Oh well. The "whole world" can go to the AI crap. I won't be joining them.

-- 
Not all Jews are Zionists. Not all Zionists are Jews. Zionism ≠ Judaism.

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#717863

On Sat, 11 Jul 2026 18:59:20 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> On 2026-07-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2026-07-10 3:23 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2026-07-07, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:
>>>> https://www.phoronix.com/review/ryzen-ai-linux-os
>>>>
>>>> A distro from AMD focusing on "AI" development using their spandy-new
>>>> processors.
>>>>
>>>> Available as an installation option, along with Windows.  Smart AI
>>>> developers will go with the leader and choose Linux, natch.
>>> 
>>> Ugh. That's one distribution I'll never try.
>>
>> Just about everyone has decided that they will go in the direction of
>> AI. Bryan Lunduke posted a video from the offices of Microsoft,
>> presumably demonstrating what the next, AI-focused, operating system
>> would be like. Essentially, applications would be a thing of the past
>> because everything would run withing Edge.
>><https://lunduke.substack.com/p/microsofts-project-aion-ai-desktop>
>>
>> It's a nightmare, but that's what Microsoft and the H1B Indians that
>> replaced hard-working Americans working there are going to try to sell
>> you next.
> 
> Oh well. The "whole world" can go to the AI crap. I won't be joining
> them.

I've got to throw in an asterisk or two. I'm interested in machine 
learning, particularly on edge devices, and it is considered a subset of 
AI.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_learning

As for the fascination with LLMs and related technologies I think the 
hangover after the party ends will be a bitch. AI has a bad history of 
over promising and under performing, resulting in what is termed an AI 
winter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_winter

The winter of '87 would be a minor snow flurry compared to a potential 
winter in '27.

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#717912

On 2026-07-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jul 2026 18:59:20 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> On 2026-07-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2026-07-10 3:23 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2026-07-07, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:
>>>>> https://www.phoronix.com/review/ryzen-ai-linux-os
>>>>>
>>>>> A distro from AMD focusing on "AI" development using their spandy-new
>>>>> processors.
>>>>>
>>>>> Available as an installation option, along with Windows.  Smart AI
>>>>> developers will go with the leader and choose Linux, natch.
>>>> 
>>>> Ugh. That's one distribution I'll never try.
>>>
>>> Just about everyone has decided that they will go in the direction of
>>> AI. Bryan Lunduke posted a video from the offices of Microsoft,
>>> presumably demonstrating what the next, AI-focused, operating system
>>> would be like. Essentially, applications would be a thing of the past
>>> because everything would run withing Edge.
>>><https://lunduke.substack.com/p/microsofts-project-aion-ai-desktop>
>>>
>>> It's a nightmare, but that's what Microsoft and the H1B Indians that
>>> replaced hard-working Americans working there are going to try to sell
>>> you next.
>> 
>> Oh well. The "whole world" can go to the AI crap. I won't be joining
>> them.
>
> I've got to throw in an asterisk or two. I'm interested in machine 
> learning, particularly on edge devices, and it is considered a subset of 
> AI.  
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_learning
>
> As for the fascination with LLMs and related technologies I think the 
> hangover after the party ends will be a bitch. AI has a bad history of 
> over promising and under performing, resulting in what is termed an AI 
> winter.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_winter
>
> The winter of '87 would be a minor snow flurry compared to a potential 
> winter in '27.

I hope so. I notice a lot of communities are now refusing to allow AI 
server centers to be built in their areas. That's also a good sign.

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