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  Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-16 08:55 -0400
    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-17 03:06 +0000
      Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-17 08:48 -0400
        Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-17 14:04 +0000
          Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-17 10:14 -0400
            Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-18 05:36 +0000
              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-18 09:23 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-18 09:35 +0000
                  Wayland (was: Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-18 09:57 +0000
                    Re: Wayland % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 06:21 -0700
                      Re: Wayland Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-18 12:10 -0400
                  Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-04-18 10:51 +0000
                    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-18 12:08 -0400
                      Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-19 10:24 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 06:20 -0700
                    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-18 10:11 -0400
                      Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 20:57 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-19 10:01 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-18 07:24 -0400
                  Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 20:51 +0000
                    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-19 07:46 -0400
                      Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 05:01 +0000
                        Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-21 08:00 -0400
                          Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 22:10 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-21 05:48 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 20:48 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-19 07:45 -0400
                    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 05:00 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-21 07:59 -0400
                        Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-21 20:12 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-21 21:00 -0400
                        Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 22:08 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-22 00:58 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-22 01:05 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-21 21:16 -0400
                              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-22 06:11 +0000
                              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-22 07:51 +0000
                                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-22 08:58 -0400
                                  Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-22 18:23 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-22 15:03 -0400
                                      Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-23 03:45 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 05:15 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-22 06:09 +0000
                              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-22 08:53 -0400
                                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-22 18:40 +0000
                                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 05:20 +0000
                                  Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-23 09:09 -0400
                                    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-24 12:45 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-21 21:06 -0400
                            Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-22 06:13 +0000
                              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-22 08:54 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-21 05:46 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-04-21 10:46 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-21 12:35 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-21 20:54 +0000
              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 06:19 -0700
            Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-18 09:21 +0000
              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 20:46 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-19 07:43 -0400
                  Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 04:47 +0000
                    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-04-23 02:33 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-23 03:48 +0000
                        Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-04-23 04:07 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 07:02 -0700
                      Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 05:22 +0000
                        Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-23 07:21 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 07:03 -0700
                      Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 07:01 -0700
                        Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-24 08:42 -0400
        Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> - 2025-04-18 09:36 +0100
          Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-18 18:07 +0000
            Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-19 21:56 +1000
              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-19 09:15 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-04-21 01:46 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-21 02:22 +0000
                    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-04-23 02:29 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-23 03:58 +0000
                        Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-04-23 04:11 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-23 07:36 +0000
                    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-23 18:16 -0500
                      Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-24 00:14 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-21 19:40 +1000
                  Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-04-21 10:41 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-04-21 16:09 +0000
                    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 12:22 -0700
                    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-21 19:38 +0000
                    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-22 14:47 -0500
                      Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-23 04:02 +0000
                        Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-23 08:38 -0400
                  Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-21 19:32 +0000
                    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-22 19:58 +1000
          Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-21 05:43 +0000
            Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-21 19:25 +0000
              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 12:33 -0700
    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 05:02 -0400

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#689236

On 4/18/25 16:51, RonB wrote:
> On 2025-04-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 4/18/25 05:23, Borax Man wrote:
>>> On 2025-04-18, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 10:14:54 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The desktops being roughly similar is only a necessity for users who
>>>>> were already old when they learned MacOS or Windows and did so
>>>>> stubbornly. Considering how difficult it was for them to adopt that
>>>>> much, you wouldn't want to put an entirely different operating system in
>>>>> front of them. For anyone else, a switch from Windows to Gnome or
>>>>> Cinnamon shouldn't be such a chore.
>>>>
>>>> On Linux, “different GUIs” is not the same as “different operating
>>>> systems”. Linux offers more variety of GUIs than all the rest of the
>>>> computing world put together.
>>>
>>> Wont the obsolence of X11 put and end to that?  Many Desktop
>>> Environments and Window Managers won't work at all on Wayland, from what
>>> I understand.
>>
>> Only Gnome and KDE seem to fully support Wayland. For everything else,
>> it's experimental. That's part of why I'm not using Linux Mint at the
>> moment. Cinnamon isn't scheduled to use Wayland until the 23.x releases
>> which means that if you have a laptop and enjoy using gestures, you
>> won't be getting full support there.
> 
> I'm in no hurry for Wayland. If Linux Mint makes Wayland the default, I hope
> I'll still be able to revert to X11 with a one line change in the
> configuration.

X11 is not going to go away with Linux Mint anytime soon. The 23.x 
release is supposed to default to Wayland as of 2026, but I don't 
believe that they will ever remove support for X11.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#689297

On 2025-04-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 4/18/25 16:51, RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-04-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 4/18/25 05:23, Borax Man wrote:
>>>> On 2025-04-18, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 10:14:54 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The desktops being roughly similar is only a necessity for users who
>>>>>> were already old when they learned MacOS or Windows and did so
>>>>>> stubbornly. Considering how difficult it was for them to adopt that
>>>>>> much, you wouldn't want to put an entirely different operating system in
>>>>>> front of them. For anyone else, a switch from Windows to Gnome or
>>>>>> Cinnamon shouldn't be such a chore.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Linux, “different GUIs” is not the same as “different operating
>>>>> systems”. Linux offers more variety of GUIs than all the rest of the
>>>>> computing world put together.
>>>>
>>>> Wont the obsolence of X11 put and end to that?  Many Desktop
>>>> Environments and Window Managers won't work at all on Wayland, from what
>>>> I understand.
>>>
>>> Only Gnome and KDE seem to fully support Wayland. For everything else,
>>> it's experimental. That's part of why I'm not using Linux Mint at the
>>> moment. Cinnamon isn't scheduled to use Wayland until the 23.x releases
>>> which means that if you have a laptop and enjoy using gestures, you
>>> won't be getting full support there.
>> 
>> I'm in no hurry for Wayland. If Linux Mint makes Wayland the default, I hope
>> I'll still be able to revert to X11 with a one line change in the
>> configuration.
>
> X11 is not going to go away with Linux Mint anytime soon. The 23.x 
> release is supposed to default to Wayland as of 2026, but I don't 
> believe that they will ever remove support for X11.

I hope not. I'm an old enough dog that I don't want to learn new tricks.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#689308

On 4/21/25 01:01, RonB wrote:
> On 2025-04-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 4/18/25 16:51, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2025-04-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 4/18/25 05:23, Borax Man wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-04-18, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 10:14:54 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The desktops being roughly similar is only a necessity for users who
>>>>>>> were already old when they learned MacOS or Windows and did so
>>>>>>> stubbornly. Considering how difficult it was for them to adopt that
>>>>>>> much, you wouldn't want to put an entirely different operating system in
>>>>>>> front of them. For anyone else, a switch from Windows to Gnome or
>>>>>>> Cinnamon shouldn't be such a chore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Linux, “different GUIs” is not the same as “different operating
>>>>>> systems”. Linux offers more variety of GUIs than all the rest of the
>>>>>> computing world put together.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wont the obsolence of X11 put and end to that?  Many Desktop
>>>>> Environments and Window Managers won't work at all on Wayland, from what
>>>>> I understand.
>>>>
>>>> Only Gnome and KDE seem to fully support Wayland. For everything else,
>>>> it's experimental. That's part of why I'm not using Linux Mint at the
>>>> moment. Cinnamon isn't scheduled to use Wayland until the 23.x releases
>>>> which means that if you have a laptop and enjoy using gestures, you
>>>> won't be getting full support there.
>>>
>>> I'm in no hurry for Wayland. If Linux Mint makes Wayland the default, I hope
>>> I'll still be able to revert to X11 with a one line change in the
>>> configuration.
>>
>> X11 is not going to go away with Linux Mint anytime soon. The 23.x
>> release is supposed to default to Wayland as of 2026, but I don't
>> believe that they will ever remove support for X11.
> 
> I hope not. I'm an old enough dog that I don't want to learn new tricks.

Even if they were to remove it, there is no reason to remove whatever 
version of Linux you have installed anyway. My brother is still using 
the Ubuntu version I installed on his slow laptop when my son was born 
almost five years ago. He's never seen a reason to upgrade it since he 
doesn't use the computer all that much.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#689329

On 2025-04-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 4/21/25 01:01, RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-04-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 4/18/25 16:51, RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2025-04-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/18/25 05:23, Borax Man wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-04-18, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 10:14:54 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The desktops being roughly similar is only a necessity for users who
>>>>>>>> were already old when they learned MacOS or Windows and did so
>>>>>>>> stubbornly. Considering how difficult it was for them to adopt that
>>>>>>>> much, you wouldn't want to put an entirely different operating system in
>>>>>>>> front of them. For anyone else, a switch from Windows to Gnome or
>>>>>>>> Cinnamon shouldn't be such a chore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Linux, “different GUIs” is not the same as “different operating
>>>>>>> systems”. Linux offers more variety of GUIs than all the rest of the
>>>>>>> computing world put together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wont the obsolence of X11 put and end to that?  Many Desktop
>>>>>> Environments and Window Managers won't work at all on Wayland, from what
>>>>>> I understand.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only Gnome and KDE seem to fully support Wayland. For everything else,
>>>>> it's experimental. That's part of why I'm not using Linux Mint at the
>>>>> moment. Cinnamon isn't scheduled to use Wayland until the 23.x releases
>>>>> which means that if you have a laptop and enjoy using gestures, you
>>>>> won't be getting full support there.
>>>>
>>>> I'm in no hurry for Wayland. If Linux Mint makes Wayland the default, I hope
>>>> I'll still be able to revert to X11 with a one line change in the
>>>> configuration.
>>>
>>> X11 is not going to go away with Linux Mint anytime soon. The 23.x
>>> release is supposed to default to Wayland as of 2026, but I don't
>>> believe that they will ever remove support for X11.
>> 
>> I hope not. I'm an old enough dog that I don't want to learn new tricks.
>
> Even if they were to remove it, there is no reason to remove whatever 
> version of Linux you have installed anyway. My brother is still using 
> the Ubuntu version I installed on his slow laptop when my son was born 
> almost five years ago. He's never seen a reason to upgrade it since he 
> doesn't use the computer all that much.

I usually upgrade Linux Mint when (or a little before) it reaches EOL.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#689302

On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 07:46:26 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> X11 is not going to go away with Linux Mint anytime soon.

As with anything Open Source, whether it goes away or not depends on 
entirely on whether enough people can be found to continue to care about 
it.

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#689199

On 2025-04-18, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 2025-04-18, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 10:14:54 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> The desktops being roughly similar is only a necessity for users who
>>> were already old when they learned MacOS or Windows and did so
>>> stubbornly. Considering how difficult it was for them to adopt that
>>> much, you wouldn't want to put an entirely different operating system in
>>> front of them. For anyone else, a switch from Windows to Gnome or
>>> Cinnamon shouldn't be such a chore.
>>
>> On Linux, “different GUIs” is not the same as “different operating 
>> systems”. Linux offers more variety of GUIs than all the rest of the 
>> computing world put together.
>
> Wont the obsolence of X11 put and end to that?  Many Desktop
> Environments and Window Managers won't work at all on Wayland, from what
> I understand.

Hopefully X11 will be around for a couple more decades. It's getting close 
to two decades since Wayland was first announced and it still doesn't seem 
completely ready to me.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#689235

On 4/18/25 16:48, RonB wrote:
> On 2025-04-18, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2025-04-18, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 10:14:54 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> The desktops being roughly similar is only a necessity for users who
>>>> were already old when they learned MacOS or Windows and did so
>>>> stubbornly. Considering how difficult it was for them to adopt that
>>>> much, you wouldn't want to put an entirely different operating system in
>>>> front of them. For anyone else, a switch from Windows to Gnome or
>>>> Cinnamon shouldn't be such a chore.
>>>
>>> On Linux, “different GUIs” is not the same as “different operating
>>> systems”. Linux offers more variety of GUIs than all the rest of the
>>> computing world put together.
>>
>> Wont the obsolence of X11 put and end to that?  Many Desktop
>> Environments and Window Managers won't work at all on Wayland, from what
>> I understand.
> 
> Hopefully X11 will be around for a couple more decades. It's getting close
> to two decades since Wayland was first announced and it still doesn't seem
> completely ready to me.

It's not ready in Linux Mint, but that's because Cinnamon hasn't been 
rewritten to work with it yet. If you use KDE or Gnome through Fedora or 
Ubuntu, Wayland is quite excellent. You might not notice a difference if 
your use is basic, but if you enjoy touchpad gestures, decent external 
monitor support and things like the night light, it's definitely better 
than X11.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#689296

On 2025-04-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 4/18/25 16:48, RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-04-18, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2025-04-18, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 10:14:54 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The desktops being roughly similar is only a necessity for users who
>>>>> were already old when they learned MacOS or Windows and did so
>>>>> stubbornly. Considering how difficult it was for them to adopt that
>>>>> much, you wouldn't want to put an entirely different operating system in
>>>>> front of them. For anyone else, a switch from Windows to Gnome or
>>>>> Cinnamon shouldn't be such a chore.
>>>>
>>>> On Linux, “different GUIs” is not the same as “different operating
>>>> systems”. Linux offers more variety of GUIs than all the rest of the
>>>> computing world put together.
>>>
>>> Wont the obsolence of X11 put and end to that?  Many Desktop
>>> Environments and Window Managers won't work at all on Wayland, from what
>>> I understand.
>> 
>> Hopefully X11 will be around for a couple more decades. It's getting close
>> to two decades since Wayland was first announced and it still doesn't seem
>> completely ready to me.
>
> It's not ready in Linux Mint, but that's because Cinnamon hasn't been 
> rewritten to work with it yet. If you use KDE or Gnome through Fedora or 
> Ubuntu, Wayland is quite excellent. You might not notice a difference if 
> your use is basic, but if you enjoy touchpad gestures, decent external 
> monitor support and things like the night light, it's definitely better 
> than X11.

Wayland is usable, if you don't mind adjusting to it, but it's not really 
"ready." I've tried Wayland in Ubuntu. On my equipment it is not better. I 
didn't know what artifacts were until I streamed video in Ubuntu under 
Wayland.

As for touchpad gestures... I've already remarked on that. I don't need 
them. As for external monitors, I haven't had any problem using them with 
X11 under Linux Mint (on the rare occasions when I've used external 
monitors). I've never used anything like Night Light, but I think I have it 
built into my monitor and I'm guessing I could download something, if I 
wanted it.

Out of curiosity, does Alt+Shift+U allow you to input Unicode characters? 
This is something I use fairly often.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#689307

On 4/21/25 01:00, RonB wrote:
> On 2025-04-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 4/18/25 16:48, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2025-04-18, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2025-04-18, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 10:14:54 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The desktops being roughly similar is only a necessity for users who
>>>>>> were already old when they learned MacOS or Windows and did so
>>>>>> stubbornly. Considering how difficult it was for them to adopt that
>>>>>> much, you wouldn't want to put an entirely different operating system in
>>>>>> front of them. For anyone else, a switch from Windows to Gnome or
>>>>>> Cinnamon shouldn't be such a chore.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Linux, “different GUIs” is not the same as “different operating
>>>>> systems”. Linux offers more variety of GUIs than all the rest of the
>>>>> computing world put together.
>>>>
>>>> Wont the obsolence of X11 put and end to that?  Many Desktop
>>>> Environments and Window Managers won't work at all on Wayland, from what
>>>> I understand.
>>>
>>> Hopefully X11 will be around for a couple more decades. It's getting close
>>> to two decades since Wayland was first announced and it still doesn't seem
>>> completely ready to me.
>>
>> It's not ready in Linux Mint, but that's because Cinnamon hasn't been
>> rewritten to work with it yet. If you use KDE or Gnome through Fedora or
>> Ubuntu, Wayland is quite excellent. You might not notice a difference if
>> your use is basic, but if you enjoy touchpad gestures, decent external
>> monitor support and things like the night light, it's definitely better
>> than X11.
> 
> Wayland is usable, if you don't mind adjusting to it, but it's not really
> "ready." I've tried Wayland in Ubuntu. On my equipment it is not better. I
> didn't know what artifacts were until I streamed video in Ubuntu under
> Wayland.
> 
> As for touchpad gestures... I've already remarked on that. I don't need
> them. As for external monitors, I haven't had any problem using them with
> X11 under Linux Mint (on the rare occasions when I've used external
> monitors). I've never used anything like Night Light, but I think I have it
> built into my monitor and I'm guessing I could download something, if I
> wanted it.
> 
> Out of curiosity, does Alt+Shift+U allow you to input Unicode characters?
> This is something I use fairly often.

I just tried the unicode function, and it doesn't work in Ubuntu 25.04. 
To be honest, I didn't even know you could do such a thing. It would 
have been useful whenever I wanted to enter the French quotation marks 
since the laptop keyboard is too small to have a key to support them.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#689319

On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 07:59:10 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> I just tried the unicode function, and it doesn't work in Ubuntu 25.04.
> To be honest, I didn't even know you could do such a thing. It would
> have been useful whenever I wanted to enter the French quotation marks
> since the laptop keyboard is too small to have a key to support them.

In Settings/Keyboard/Special Character Entry/Compose Key you can select a 
key to trigger the compose sequence.  For example I have it set to right 
alt.

<RightAlt>u"  gives you ü,  <RightAlt>"U  is  Ü.  I'm not sure what French 
quotations marks are,  « and » ?   (<RightAlt><< and <RightAlt>>>. 

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GtkComposeTable

The key sequences are no worse than remembering Unicode hex and most like 
€ have several variations. 

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#689338

On 4/21/25 16:12, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 07:59:10 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> I just tried the unicode function, and it doesn't work in Ubuntu 25.04.
>> To be honest, I didn't even know you could do such a thing. It would
>> have been useful whenever I wanted to enter the French quotation marks
>> since the laptop keyboard is too small to have a key to support them.
> 
> In Settings/Keyboard/Special Character Entry/Compose Key you can select a
> key to trigger the compose sequence.  For example I have it set to right
> alt.
> 
> <RightAlt>u"  gives you ü,  <RightAlt>"U  is  Ü.  I'm not sure what French
> quotations marks are,  « and » ?   (<RightAlt><< and <RightAlt>>>.
> 
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GtkComposeTable
> 
> The key sequences are no worse than remembering Unicode hex and most like
> € have several variations.

The quotation marks you made above are the right ones. When the keyboard 
is larger, they would be available to me by doing AltGR (or AltCar) and 
one of the keys on the right. Because the keyboard is slightly smaller, 
they omitted them entirely. They could have fit it on the left side if 
they made the shift smaller, but I guess it wasn't a priority. For what 
it's worth, I only really use it in e-mails I send at work through 
Outlook. There, the " are automatically converted into the appropriate 
French symbol if the French language is detected.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#689328

On 2025-04-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 4/21/25 01:00, RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-04-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 4/18/25 16:48, RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2025-04-18, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-04-18, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 10:14:54 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The desktops being roughly similar is only a necessity for users who
>>>>>>> were already old when they learned MacOS or Windows and did so
>>>>>>> stubbornly. Considering how difficult it was for them to adopt that
>>>>>>> much, you wouldn't want to put an entirely different operating system in
>>>>>>> front of them. For anyone else, a switch from Windows to Gnome or
>>>>>>> Cinnamon shouldn't be such a chore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Linux, “different GUIs” is not the same as “different operating
>>>>>> systems”. Linux offers more variety of GUIs than all the rest of the
>>>>>> computing world put together.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wont the obsolence of X11 put and end to that?  Many Desktop
>>>>> Environments and Window Managers won't work at all on Wayland, from what
>>>>> I understand.
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully X11 will be around for a couple more decades. It's getting close
>>>> to two decades since Wayland was first announced and it still doesn't seem
>>>> completely ready to me.
>>>
>>> It's not ready in Linux Mint, but that's because Cinnamon hasn't been
>>> rewritten to work with it yet. If you use KDE or Gnome through Fedora or
>>> Ubuntu, Wayland is quite excellent. You might not notice a difference if
>>> your use is basic, but if you enjoy touchpad gestures, decent external
>>> monitor support and things like the night light, it's definitely better
>>> than X11.
>> 
>> Wayland is usable, if you don't mind adjusting to it, but it's not really
>> "ready." I've tried Wayland in Ubuntu. On my equipment it is not better. I
>> didn't know what artifacts were until I streamed video in Ubuntu under
>> Wayland.
>> 
>> As for touchpad gestures... I've already remarked on that. I don't need
>> them. As for external monitors, I haven't had any problem using them with
>> X11 under Linux Mint (on the rare occasions when I've used external
>> monitors). I've never used anything like Night Light, but I think I have it
>> built into my monitor and I'm guessing I could download something, if I
>> wanted it.
>> 
>> Out of curiosity, does Alt+Shift+U allow you to input Unicode characters?
>> This is something I use fairly often.
>
> I just tried the unicode function, and it doesn't work in Ubuntu 25.04. 
> To be honest, I didn't even know you could do such a thing. It would 
> have been useful whenever I wanted to enter the French quotation marks 
> since the laptop keyboard is too small to have a key to support them.

I use them mostly for en and em dashes, sometimes for degrees (it's 60°F 
currently where I live), for the euro € or pound £, or sometimes the 
copyright symbol ©. The – — (the en and em dash) doesn't look different in 
the terminal).

✝ Happy Easter Monday ✝

Pope Francis died (RIP). It would be nice if we could get a Catholic Pope 
instead of another Woke one this time. 

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#689337

On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 22:08:18 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Pope Francis died (RIP). It would be nice if we could get a Catholic
> Pope instead of another Woke one this time.

Good luck with that. I think Pope Benedict retired when he realized he 
couldn't win against the Vatican's deep state. Be fun to get an African 
pope. Before the DEI crew scores a victory they should know the African 
bishops are as unwoke as it gets. 

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#689342

On 22 Apr 2025 00:58:20 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
<m6o7tcF7oefU1@mid.individual.net>:

> On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 22:08:18 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
> 
>> Pope Francis died (RIP). It would be nice if we could get a Catholic
>> Pope instead of another Woke one this time.
> 
> Good luck with that. I think Pope Benedict retired when he realized he
> couldn't win against the Vatican's deep state. Be fun to get an African
> pope. Before the DEI crew scores a victory they should know the African
> bishops are as unwoke as it gets.

There is only one Pope, and his name is Linus.

-- 
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
   OS: Linux 6.14.3 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G
   "Windows: just another pane in the glass."

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#689344

On 4/21/25 20:58, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 22:08:18 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
> 
>> Pope Francis died (RIP). It would be nice if we could get a Catholic
>> Pope instead of another Woke one this time.
> 
> Good luck with that. I think Pope Benedict retired when he realized he
> couldn't win against the Vatican's deep state. Be fun to get an African
> pope. Before the DEI crew scores a victory they should know the African
> bishops are as unwoke as it gets.

I don't care where the next Pope comes from as long as he doesn't try to 
change the traditional religion. It has already been weakened severely 
since the early 1960s.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#689353

On 2025-04-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 4/21/25 20:58, rbowman wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 22:08:18 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>> 
>>> Pope Francis died (RIP). It would be nice if we could get a Catholic
>>> Pope instead of another Woke one this time.
>> 
>> Good luck with that. I think Pope Benedict retired when he realized he
>> couldn't win against the Vatican's deep state. Be fun to get an African
>> pope. Before the DEI crew scores a victory they should know the African
>> bishops are as unwoke as it gets.
>
> I don't care where the next Pope comes from as long as he doesn't try to 
> change the traditional religion. It has already been weakened severely 
> since the early 1960s.

Agreed. I just want him to be Catholic and not "Ecumenical." 

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#689355

On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 21:16:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> On 4/21/25 20:58, rbowman wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 22:08:18 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>> 
>>> Pope Francis died (RIP). It would be nice if we could get a Catholic
>>> Pope instead of another Woke one this time.
>> 
>> Good luck with that. I think Pope Benedict retired when he realized he
>> couldn't win against the Vatican's deep state. Be fun to get an African
>> pope. Before the DEI crew scores a victory they should know the African
>> bishops are as unwoke as it gets.
> 
> I don't care where the next Pope comes from as long as he doesn't try to
> change the traditional religion. It has already been weakened severely
> since the early 1960s.

The traditional religion is long gone. 

https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=53822

I think a SSPV priest has a Latin Mass a couple of times a month here. I 
goes deeper than the form of the Mass. It almost seems like they read Pius 
IX's Syllabus of Errors and tried to check them all off.

https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9syll.htm

80. The Roman Pontiff can, and ought to, reconcile himself, and come to 
terms with progress, liberalism and modern civilization.- 

Eric Sammons sums it up nicely. 

https://ericsammons.com/product/deadly-indifference/

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#689361

On 2025-04-22 03:51, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 21:16:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> On 4/21/25 20:58, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 22:08:18 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pope Francis died (RIP). It would be nice if we could get a Catholic
>>>> Pope instead of another Woke one this time.
>>>
>>> Good luck with that. I think Pope Benedict retired when he realized he
>>> couldn't win against the Vatican's deep state. Be fun to get an African
>>> pope. Before the DEI crew scores a victory they should know the African
>>> bishops are as unwoke as it gets.
>>
>> I don't care where the next Pope comes from as long as he doesn't try to
>> change the traditional religion. It has already been weakened severely
>> since the early 1960s.
> 
> The traditional religion is long gone.
> 
> https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=53822
> 
> I think a SSPV priest has a Latin Mass a couple of times a month here. I
> goes deeper than the form of the Mass. It almost seems like they read Pius
> IX's Syllabus of Errors and tried to check them all off.
> 
> https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9syll.htm
> 
> 80. The Roman Pontiff can, and ought to, reconcile himself, and come to
> terms with progress, liberalism and modern civilization.-
> 
> Eric Sammons sums it up nicely.
> 
> https://ericsammons.com/product/deadly-indifference/

I'll be honest and say that I probably don't have the time to look at 
all those links. My biggest gripe is how the education system here in 
Quebec, which used to be separate by religion rather than language, 
threw the baby out with the bathwater. If you were Catholic, there was a 
time until the late 90s when you could be sure that your child at least 
got the basics of his or her religion from school. Your job as a parent 
was to fill the blanks or go much further should you choose to. If you 
weren't Catholic, your child would go to all the same classes except for 
Religion and go to a class called Morals instead. It worked fine, but 
they decided to get rid of that in 1997 or so because, to them, religion 
was outdated. The result is a generation of kids without any kind of 
morality that latches onto whatever idiotic trend of the day. In many 
cases, they make heroes out of drug dealers, pimps, murderers and 
terrorists all the while demonizing the victims of their crimes. It's 
too late to go back now, but doing so would at least create a path to 
enlightenment for some of these kids.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#689364

On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 08:58:27 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> I'll be honest and say that I probably don't have the time to look at
> all those links. My biggest gripe is how the education system here in
> Quebec, which used to be separate by religion rather than language,
> threw the baby out with the bathwater. If you were Catholic, there was a
> time until the late 90s when you could be sure that your child at least
> got the basics of his or her religion from school. Your job as a parent
> was to fill the blanks or go much further should you choose to. If you
> weren't Catholic, your child would go to all the same classes except for
> Religion and go to a class called Morals instead. It worked fine, but
> they decided to get rid of that in 1997 or so because, to them, religion
> was outdated. The result is a generation of kids without any kind of
> morality that latches onto whatever idiotic trend of the day. In many
> cases, they make heroes out of drug dealers, pimps, murderers and
> terrorists all the while demonizing the victims of their crimes. It's
> too late to go back now, but doing so would at least create a path to
> enlightenment for some of these kids.

I don't believe that was ever the case in the US. When I was in grade 
school Wednesday was a short day. It was a small town so the Catholic kids 
would line up an march west to St. Jude's school for religious instruction 
by a cadre of nuns. Similarly the Protestant kids would march east to the 
Dutch Reformed church for their instruction. I don't know what the 
Protestants of other denominations, if any, did. I think the Reformed 
classes were generic. 

The same was done in high school but I opted out early some my memory is 
less clear. 

Of course the Catholic parents could choose to send their kids to St. 
Jude's school and later to Catholic Central High School for more exposure. 
There were also two military style high schools for boys, LaSalle 
Institute and Christian Brothers Academy. 

However, religion was not part of the public school experience explicitly. 
At least in grade school there were no Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc so the 
base assumption was we were living in a Christian nation.

I forget if I was in second or third grade when 'under God' was added to 
the Pledge of Allegiance by Eisenhower partly due to a promotion campaign 
by the KofC. 

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#689366

On 2025-04-22 14:23, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 08:58:27 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> I'll be honest and say that I probably don't have the time to look at
>> all those links. My biggest gripe is how the education system here in
>> Quebec, which used to be separate by religion rather than language,
>> threw the baby out with the bathwater. If you were Catholic, there was a
>> time until the late 90s when you could be sure that your child at least
>> got the basics of his or her religion from school. Your job as a parent
>> was to fill the blanks or go much further should you choose to. If you
>> weren't Catholic, your child would go to all the same classes except for
>> Religion and go to a class called Morals instead. It worked fine, but
>> they decided to get rid of that in 1997 or so because, to them, religion
>> was outdated. The result is a generation of kids without any kind of
>> morality that latches onto whatever idiotic trend of the day. In many
>> cases, they make heroes out of drug dealers, pimps, murderers and
>> terrorists all the while demonizing the victims of their crimes. It's
>> too late to go back now, but doing so would at least create a path to
>> enlightenment for some of these kids.
> 
> I don't believe that was ever the case in the US. When I was in grade
> school Wednesday was a short day. It was a small town so the Catholic kids
> would line up an march west to St. Jude's school for religious instruction
> by a cadre of nuns. Similarly the Protestant kids would march east to the
> Dutch Reformed church for their instruction. I don't know what the
> Protestants of other denominations, if any, did. I think the Reformed
> classes were generic.
> 
> The same was done in high school but I opted out early some my memory is
> less clear.
> 
> Of course the Catholic parents could choose to send their kids to St.
> Jude's school and later to Catholic Central High School for more exposure.
> There were also two military style high schools for boys, LaSalle
> Institute and Christian Brothers Academy.
> 
> However, religion was not part of the public school experience explicitly.
> At least in grade school there were no Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc so the
> base assumption was we were living in a Christian nation.
> 
> I forget if I was in second or third grade when 'under God' was added to
> the Pledge of Allegiance by Eisenhower partly due to a promotion campaign
> by the KofC.

The way I see it, the moment we decided to separate Church from State 
here, we also invited the Muslims to turn this into yet another Islamic 
nation. Little by little, they try to change things in one area or 
another. Generally, they enter politics and change the most popular 
progressive party where they bide their time and introduce all sorts of 
ideas aimed at strengthening Islam. I imagine that they did the same in 
some areas of the United States since there are places like Minneapolis 
that have a serious Muslim majority and have turned into the kind of 
shitholes we expect from that religion.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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