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| Started by | Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> |
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| First post | 2025-08-24 11:51 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-08-27 19:55 +0000 |
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Alternatives To Linux Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> - 2025-08-24 11:51 +0000
Re: Alternatives To Linux "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 08:10 -0400
Re: Alternatives To Linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-24 22:04 +0000
Re: Alternatives To Linux "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 18:24 -0400
Re: Alternatives To Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 01:18 +0000
Re: Alternatives To Linux Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-24 13:04 +0000
Re: Alternatives To Linux Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> - 2025-08-24 13:53 +0000
Re: Alternatives To Linux Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-24 15:46 +0000
Re: Alternatives To Linux Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-08-24 19:29 +0000
Re: Alternatives To Linux CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 08:47 -0400
Re: Alternatives To Linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 21:50 +0000
Re: Alternatives To Linux CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 18:09 -0400
Re: Alternatives To Linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-26 00:39 +0000
Re: Alternatives To Linux CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 21:18 -0400
Re: Alternatives To Linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-26 01:49 +0000
Re: Alternatives To Linux CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-26 09:46 -0400
Re: Alternatives To Linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-28 04:28 +0000
Re: Alternatives To Linux CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-28 08:49 -0400
Re: Alternatives To Linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-01 02:56 +0000
Re: Alternatives To Linux CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-01 08:51 -0400
Re: Alternatives To Linux Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2025-09-04 10:54 +0000
Re: Alternatives To Linux CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-04 11:19 -0400
Re: Alternatives To Linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-05 00:17 +0000
Re: Alternatives To Linux CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-04 21:31 -0400
Re: Alternatives To Linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 07:31 +0000
Re: Alternatives To Linux CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-26 09:53 -0400
Re: Alternatives To Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-26 19:12 +0000
Re: Alternatives To Linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-27 06:30 +0000
Re: Alternatives To Linux CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-27 09:05 -0400
Re: Alternatives To Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 19:59 +0000
Re: Alternatives To Linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-24 22:07 +0000
Re: Alternatives To Linux Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-30 08:59 +0000
Re: Alternatives To Linux Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2025-08-27 11:42 +0800
Re: Alternatives To Linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-27 07:23 +0000
Re: Alternatives To Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 19:55 +0000
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| From | Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-04 10:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10birvu.3f4i.boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> |
| In reply to | #696334 |
On 2025-09-01, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > On 2025-08-31 10:56 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 08:49:50 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> On 2025-08-28 12:28 a.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>> >>>> I thought it was supposed to be a seamless replacement for the existing >>>> Xorg. What are they changing to break backward compatibility? >>> >>> I don't know because I haven't looked into it. It's a complaint made by >>> people on Reddit who reject XLibre altogether. I took them at their >>> word, but I am quite aware of how often Linux zealots lie, especially >>> the homosexual allies. >> >> You accuse them of lying, yet you can’t be bothered to verify the facts >> for yourself. You think the facts will lie to you as well? You think maybe >> the Universe itself is gay, and you’re afraid to find out? > > I didn't say _you_ lied, I said that Linux zealots routinely lie. That > statement is so easily verifiable because there is a mass of evidence in > this own newsgroup spanning several decades. > > That said, I find it interesting that there is basically one developer > still providing updates for X11 and he is accused of breaking things in > what has otherwise been completely abandoned by every other developer. > If this were cars, the situation would be that one mechanic is still > repairing this shit Chevrolet I bought but his repairs *might* prevent > my TPMS from working right whereas every other mechanic just ignores my > car's existence entirely and tells me to buy an entirely new one. I am > _very_ skeptical of the claim that his contributions broke anything > because I don't trust what Linux zealots say, but I am not interested > enough to find out whether any of it is true or not because Linux in > general doesn't interest me as much as it used to. > The zealots probably have political motives, too many people in the FSF ecosystem are unsufferable Progressives. XLibre is scorned because of the rejection of DEI, that and the new Linux zealots are highly opinionated. Use Wayland if you want to, no one is deying you that option, but I'm very sceptical of people who OPPOSE X11.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-09-04 11:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <F5iuQ.619159$jMMa.24620@fx09.iad> |
| In reply to | #696552 |
On 2025-09-04 6:54 a.m., Borax Man wrote: > On 2025-09-01, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> On 2025-08-31 10:56 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 08:49:50 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> >>>> On 2025-08-28 12:28 a.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I thought it was supposed to be a seamless replacement for the existing >>>>> Xorg. What are they changing to break backward compatibility? >>>> >>>> I don't know because I haven't looked into it. It's a complaint made by >>>> people on Reddit who reject XLibre altogether. I took them at their >>>> word, but I am quite aware of how often Linux zealots lie, especially >>>> the homosexual allies. >>> >>> You accuse them of lying, yet you can’t be bothered to verify the facts >>> for yourself. You think the facts will lie to you as well? You think maybe >>> the Universe itself is gay, and you’re afraid to find out? >> >> I didn't say _you_ lied, I said that Linux zealots routinely lie. That >> statement is so easily verifiable because there is a mass of evidence in >> this own newsgroup spanning several decades. >> >> That said, I find it interesting that there is basically one developer >> still providing updates for X11 and he is accused of breaking things in >> what has otherwise been completely abandoned by every other developer. >> If this were cars, the situation would be that one mechanic is still >> repairing this shit Chevrolet I bought but his repairs *might* prevent >> my TPMS from working right whereas every other mechanic just ignores my >> car's existence entirely and tells me to buy an entirely new one. I am >> _very_ skeptical of the claim that his contributions broke anything >> because I don't trust what Linux zealots say, but I am not interested >> enough to find out whether any of it is true or not because Linux in >> general doesn't interest me as much as it used to. >> > > The zealots probably have political motives, too many people in the FSF > ecosystem are unsufferable Progressives. Richard Stallman being the primary one. Of course, as progressives always do to their own, they chewed him up and spit him out. > XLibre is scorned because of the rejection of DEI, that and the new > Linux zealots are highly opinionated. > > Use Wayland if you want to, no one is deying you that option, but I'm > very sceptical of people who OPPOSE X11. I'm not using any of it. The only issue Windows gives me is fTPM stuttering. It's annoying, but I can live with it. Otherwise, OPAL encryption works, it doesn't break suspend the way it would on Linux, every game runs as intended, etc.. I'm aware that Microsoft is just as woke as Linux is nowadays, but at least I can expect things to work. The organizations I used to support on Linux have alienated me so much that it's down to which software works better for me. I'm probably going to just buy a Mac the next time around because I find that its hardware works best. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage Islam is the enemy John 14:6
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-05 00:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <109da63$2344i$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #696552 |
On Thu, 4 Sep 2025 10:54:54 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: > XLibre is scorned because of the rejection of DEI, that and the new > Linux zealots are highly opinionated. No doubt it will be embraced by all the non-woke Linux distros though, won’t it. . . . . . . . . (crickets)
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-09-04 21:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <T3ruQ.619162$jMMa.193990@fx09.iad> |
| In reply to | #696602 |
On 2025-09-04 8:17 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 4 Sep 2025 10:54:54 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: > >> XLibre is scorned because of the rejection of DEI, that and the new >> Linux zealots are highly opinionated. > > No doubt it will be embraced by all the non-woke Linux distros though, > won’t it. OpenMandriva already provides access to it. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage Islam is the enemy John 14:6
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-26 07:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108jnsg$3tbec$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #695940 |
On 2025-08-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > On 2025-08-24 11:46 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: >> Le 24-08-2025, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit : >>> On 24 Aug 2025 13:04:53 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Same mistake, same answer: Linux doesn't need any graphical tool to run. >>>> X11 and wayland are provided by the distros, they are not required by >>>> Linux. >>>> >>> >>> Unless all one does, like you, is text file editing a GUI is essential. >> >> Try to understand the difference: >> - I need GUI >> - Linux needs GUI >> >> The first is right, not the second. >> >>> A GUI is essential but that GUI should be X11 and not Wayland. >> >> As I said: nobody wants to take care of X11 anymore. It's dead. One guy >> tried to make it evolve but he has been thrown away by literally >> everyone involved in X11. You still can use it if you want but it wont >> improve anymore. Of course X11 being open source you could improve it, >> but you would need to learn how to program first. >> >> So X11 is dead and Wayland is the only available alternative. You can >> create a third better alternative, but it would be way more difficult >> for you than to help X11. >> >>> If freedesktop.org and Qt remove X11 support from their toolkits >>> then Linux will become pure shit. >> >> What do you believe? That X11 will strive under BSD when it's dead under >> Linux? > > I believe that the BSD people aren't as hostile to X11 as the Linux > people are. The belief there is likely that there is no reason to > replace something that isn't broken. If there are problems with it, they > can migrate over to something like XLibre. Wayland, to many, just isn't > a proper solution. > > Granted, I prefer Wayland, but only because it supports browser gestures. I'll probably use Xorg as long as it's available. I'm not that impressed with Wayland's progress. It seems like it's taken them a long, long time to get (what appear to be) simple issues solved. Besides, Xorg just seems to work for me. -- Definition of Insanity: Thinking you can beat the Bear on his own territory.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-08-26 09:53 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <q%irQ.407675$l%O3.215915@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #695999 |
On 2025-08-26 3:31 a.m., RonB wrote: > On 2025-08-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> On 2025-08-24 11:46 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: >>> Le 24-08-2025, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit : >>>> On 24 Aug 2025 13:04:53 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Same mistake, same answer: Linux doesn't need any graphical tool to run. >>>>> X11 and wayland are provided by the distros, they are not required by >>>>> Linux. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Unless all one does, like you, is text file editing a GUI is essential. >>> >>> Try to understand the difference: >>> - I need GUI >>> - Linux needs GUI >>> >>> The first is right, not the second. >>> >>>> A GUI is essential but that GUI should be X11 and not Wayland. >>> >>> As I said: nobody wants to take care of X11 anymore. It's dead. One guy >>> tried to make it evolve but he has been thrown away by literally >>> everyone involved in X11. You still can use it if you want but it wont >>> improve anymore. Of course X11 being open source you could improve it, >>> but you would need to learn how to program first. >>> >>> So X11 is dead and Wayland is the only available alternative. You can >>> create a third better alternative, but it would be way more difficult >>> for you than to help X11. >>> >>>> If freedesktop.org and Qt remove X11 support from their toolkits >>>> then Linux will become pure shit. >>> >>> What do you believe? That X11 will strive under BSD when it's dead under >>> Linux? >> >> I believe that the BSD people aren't as hostile to X11 as the Linux >> people are. The belief there is likely that there is no reason to >> replace something that isn't broken. If there are problems with it, they >> can migrate over to something like XLibre. Wayland, to many, just isn't >> a proper solution. >> >> Granted, I prefer Wayland, but only because it supports browser gestures. > > I'll probably use Xorg as long as it's available. I'm not that impressed > with Wayland's progress. It seems like it's taken them a long, long time to > get (what appear to be) simple issues solved. Besides, Xorg just seems to > work for me. You're also a user of Cinnamon which has yet to be fully migrated over to Wayland anyway. You can experiment with it, but it's mostly a mess. You're much better off with X11 if that is your choice of desktop environment. Under Gnome or KDE, the Wayland experience is a lot more satisfying. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage Islam is the enemy John 14:6
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-26 19:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mh6f97Ftgm7U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #696009 |
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 09:53:26 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > You're also a user of Cinnamon which has yet to be fully migrated over > to Wayland anyway. You can experiment with it, but it's mostly a mess. > You're much better off with X11 if that is your choice of desktop > environment. Under Gnome or KDE, the Wayland experience is a lot more > satisfying. Other than a few bumps when KDE, Qt, and Wayland was evolving I haven't had any issues. Dropping XWayland completely might show more problems. xeyes shows an assortment of apps that still talk to it.
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-27 06:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108m8lc$g39p$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #696009 |
On 2025-08-26, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > On 2025-08-26 3:31 a.m., RonB wrote: >> On 2025-08-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>> On 2025-08-24 11:46 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: >>>> Le 24-08-2025, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit : >>>>> On 24 Aug 2025 13:04:53 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Same mistake, same answer: Linux doesn't need any graphical tool to run. >>>>>> X11 and wayland are provided by the distros, they are not required by >>>>>> Linux. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Unless all one does, like you, is text file editing a GUI is essential. >>>> >>>> Try to understand the difference: >>>> - I need GUI >>>> - Linux needs GUI >>>> >>>> The first is right, not the second. >>>> >>>>> A GUI is essential but that GUI should be X11 and not Wayland. >>>> >>>> As I said: nobody wants to take care of X11 anymore. It's dead. One guy >>>> tried to make it evolve but he has been thrown away by literally >>>> everyone involved in X11. You still can use it if you want but it wont >>>> improve anymore. Of course X11 being open source you could improve it, >>>> but you would need to learn how to program first. >>>> >>>> So X11 is dead and Wayland is the only available alternative. You can >>>> create a third better alternative, but it would be way more difficult >>>> for you than to help X11. >>>> >>>>> If freedesktop.org and Qt remove X11 support from their toolkits >>>>> then Linux will become pure shit. >>>> >>>> What do you believe? That X11 will strive under BSD when it's dead under >>>> Linux? >>> >>> I believe that the BSD people aren't as hostile to X11 as the Linux >>> people are. The belief there is likely that there is no reason to >>> replace something that isn't broken. If there are problems with it, they >>> can migrate over to something like XLibre. Wayland, to many, just isn't >>> a proper solution. >>> >>> Granted, I prefer Wayland, but only because it supports browser gestures. >> >> I'll probably use Xorg as long as it's available. I'm not that impressed >> with Wayland's progress. It seems like it's taken them a long, long time to >> get (what appear to be) simple issues solved. Besides, Xorg just seems to >> work for me. > > You're also a user of Cinnamon which has yet to be fully migrated over > to Wayland anyway. You can experiment with it, but it's mostly a mess. > You're much better off with X11 if that is your choice of desktop > environment. Under Gnome or KDE, the Wayland experience is a lot more > satisfying. "More satisfying." Is that based soley on the gestures thing? Because gestures don't mean anything to me. And I do have AnduinOS installed, which is based on Wayland. I don't think it does my em and en dashes (— –), but I may be wrong. (I'll have to check that out.) -- Definition of Insanity: Thinking you can beat the Bear on his own territory.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-08-27 09:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <SoDrQ.51075$j%z8.50265@fx07.iad> |
| In reply to | #696068 |
On 2025-08-27 2:30 a.m., RonB wrote: > On 2025-08-26, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> On 2025-08-26 3:31 a.m., RonB wrote: >>> On 2025-08-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>> On 2025-08-24 11:46 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: >>>>> Le 24-08-2025, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit : >>>>>> On 24 Aug 2025 13:04:53 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Same mistake, same answer: Linux doesn't need any graphical tool to run. >>>>>>> X11 and wayland are provided by the distros, they are not required by >>>>>>> Linux. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Unless all one does, like you, is text file editing a GUI is essential. >>>>> >>>>> Try to understand the difference: >>>>> - I need GUI >>>>> - Linux needs GUI >>>>> >>>>> The first is right, not the second. >>>>> >>>>>> A GUI is essential but that GUI should be X11 and not Wayland. >>>>> >>>>> As I said: nobody wants to take care of X11 anymore. It's dead. One guy >>>>> tried to make it evolve but he has been thrown away by literally >>>>> everyone involved in X11. You still can use it if you want but it wont >>>>> improve anymore. Of course X11 being open source you could improve it, >>>>> but you would need to learn how to program first. >>>>> >>>>> So X11 is dead and Wayland is the only available alternative. You can >>>>> create a third better alternative, but it would be way more difficult >>>>> for you than to help X11. >>>>> >>>>>> If freedesktop.org and Qt remove X11 support from their toolkits >>>>>> then Linux will become pure shit. >>>>> >>>>> What do you believe? That X11 will strive under BSD when it's dead under >>>>> Linux? >>>> >>>> I believe that the BSD people aren't as hostile to X11 as the Linux >>>> people are. The belief there is likely that there is no reason to >>>> replace something that isn't broken. If there are problems with it, they >>>> can migrate over to something like XLibre. Wayland, to many, just isn't >>>> a proper solution. >>>> >>>> Granted, I prefer Wayland, but only because it supports browser gestures. >>> >>> I'll probably use Xorg as long as it's available. I'm not that impressed >>> with Wayland's progress. It seems like it's taken them a long, long time to >>> get (what appear to be) simple issues solved. Besides, Xorg just seems to >>> work for me. >> >> You're also a user of Cinnamon which has yet to be fully migrated over >> to Wayland anyway. You can experiment with it, but it's mostly a mess. >> You're much better off with X11 if that is your choice of desktop >> environment. Under Gnome or KDE, the Wayland experience is a lot more >> satisfying. > > "More satisfying." Is that based soley on the gestures thing? Because > gestures don't mean anything to me. And I do have AnduinOS installed, which > is based on Wayland. I don't think it does my em and en dashes (— –), but I > may be wrong. (I'll have to check that out.) Honestly, the satisfaction factor for me is indeed entirely based on the gestures thing. :) It is also a little bit better when it comes to switching displays (duplicate, extend and the like), but X11 isn't exactly poor in this respect either. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage Islam is the enemy John 14:6
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-27 19:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mh96c8Fdap6U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #696081 |
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 09:05:55 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > Honestly, the satisfaction factor for me is indeed entirely based on the > gestures thing. It is also a little bit better when it comes to > switching displays (duplicate, extend and the like), but X11 isn't > exactly poor in this respect either. I don't think any version supports my gesture. Seriously, I've gotten used to swiping on the phone but that's the extent of my repertoire.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 22:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108g2et$32gqg$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #695765 |
On 24 Aug 2025 13:04:53 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: >> Of course there is FreeBSD. > > Of couse there is. It's useless for a real user environment, but it's > good for a server. I’m not sure it is the best for a server any more. For one thing, Linux offers a much superior network stack, plus also containerization as a lighter-weight alternative to full virtualization, that kind of thing. Does this sort of thing <https://xcp-ng.org/> exist in the BSD world? I don’t think it does.
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| From | Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> |
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| Date | 2025-08-30 08:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <68b2bd55$0$28075$426a74cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #695818 |
Le 24-08-2025, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit : > On 24 Aug 2025 13:04:53 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: > >>> Of course there is FreeBSD. >> >> Of couse there is. It's useless for a real user environment, but it's >> good for a server. > > I’m not sure it is the best for a server any more. For one thing, Linux > offers a much superior network stack, plus also containerization as a > lighter-weight alternative to full virtualization, that kind of thing. I didn't say it was the best, I said it was good. Of course, it depends on your needs. For example if you want to run Kubernetes it's stupid to use some BSD. -- Si vous avez du temps à perdre : https://scarpet42.gitlab.io
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| From | Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-27 11:42 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <108luqv$e96h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #695762 |
Lester Thorpe wrote: > As Linux turns to shit with the incursion of junk like systemd, > wayland, and who knows what else the future will bring, it's > good to start considering some alternatives. > > Of course there is FreeBSD. > > There is also OpenIndiana: > > https://www.openindiana.org/ > > Are there any others? > > Linux will turn to shit. It's only a matter of time. > > Some group will likely fork it, but I hope that happens > before the damage has gone too far. > > I have tried it (Solaris derivative). Also tried BSD, but hit a roadblock with magnetic tapes - the status bits are different, and couldn't figure out a workaround.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-27 07:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108mbq1$gtnb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #696062 |
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 11:42:22 +0800, Woozy Song wrote: > Also tried BSD, but hit a roadblock with magnetic tapes - the status > bits are different, and couldn't figure out a workaround. Maybe you tried the wrong BSD.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-27 19:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mh9658Fdap6U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #696074 |
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 07:23:45 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 11:42:22 +0800, Woozy Song wrote: > >> Also tried BSD, but hit a roadblock with magnetic tapes - the status >> bits are different, and couldn't figure out a workaround. > > Maybe you tried the wrong BSD. That's the problem, isn't it? Most Linux distros work while BSD flavors are a minefield.
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