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| Started by | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2025-08-24 19:45 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-08-28 08:50 -0400 |
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I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 19:45 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 01:00 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 21:18 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CtrlAltDel <Altie@Bham.com> - 2025-08-25 02:16 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 22:27 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 02:35 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 23:10 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 03:39 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 23:50 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 04:30 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 02:35 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 07:11 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 03:41 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 07:49 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 04:01 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 08:15 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Not Necessary <not@necessary.invalid> - 2025-08-25 14:29 +0530
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CtrlAltDel <Altie@AL.invalid> - 2025-08-25 09:48 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Not Necessary <not@necessary.invalid> - 2025-08-25 08:53 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 09:28 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 09:45 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-25 14:38 -0500
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-25 06:06 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 02:46 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 07:12 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 09:27 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-25 14:35 -0500
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 17:07 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-26 01:52 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-26 09:47 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jaworski1978@adres.pl> - 2025-08-25 05:12 +0200
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 23:20 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 04:26 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-25 06:03 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 02:44 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 07:13 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 03:43 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 08:16 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 04:35 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 09:29 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 05:46 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 21:54 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 18:07 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-26 01:54 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 08:41 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-26 03:46 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CtrlAltDel <Altie@AL.invalid> - 2025-08-25 08:51 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-25 14:59 -0500
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 16:31 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CtrlAltDel <Altie@AL.invalid> - 2025-08-25 22:23 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CtrlAltDel <Altie@AL.invalid> - 2025-08-25 22:26 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 19:39 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 19:39 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CtrlAltDel <Altie@AL.invalid> - 2025-08-25 23:54 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 20:06 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-26 01:55 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 07:45 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-26 22:50 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-27 01:33 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-27 06:38 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-26 09:51 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 10:02 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-26 18:57 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 15:09 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-26 15:45 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-26 17:09 -0500
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-26 19:33 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 19:39 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-27 06:35 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-27 09:07 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-28 06:14 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-28 08:53 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 17:35 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 06:36 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 17:05 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-30 06:07 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 06:26 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-29 08:31 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-28 16:33 -0500
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 06:37 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-30 06:09 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-29 08:35 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 06:32 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-29 08:46 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-30 06:01 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-08-31 00:31 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-31 10:06 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-08-31 19:29 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-01 08:26 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-09-02 06:47 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-02 09:10 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-09-03 10:18 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-01 02:48 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-01 08:43 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-02 03:54 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-09-02 21:50 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-09-02 23:07 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 03:24 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-09-03 04:09 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-03 04:13 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 08:04 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-03 04:14 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 19:48 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-28 06:17 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-27 06:33 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-27 09:07 -0400
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-28 00:43 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-28 06:12 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-08-28 15:41 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 17:40 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 06:30 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-28 06:07 +0000
Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-28 08:50 -0400
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-03 08:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mhqb3nFa16dU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #696452 |
On Wed, 3 Sep 2025 04:13:19 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Wed, 03 Sep 2025 04:09:46 +0000, Tyrone wrote: > >> I always cringe when people try to squeeze all problems/programming >> into a single methodology and/or language. The result is a huge, >> absurdly complicated language like ADA. Of course, ADA became THE U.S. >> Defense Department standard. > > Could be worse. At least it works for safety-critical stuff. Unlike C++. I wonder if the F-35's software was done in Ada? https://www.cagw.org/joint-strike-fighter-limited-inadequate-software/
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-03 04:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1098fbr$u638$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #696430 |
On Tue, 02 Sep 2025 23:07:01 +0000, Tyrone wrote: > On Sep 1, 2025 at 11:54:44 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" > <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> I would expect them to have common code for all except the lowest-level >> platform-specific functions, and not have divergences happen for >> non-essential reasons. That’s how rational software design is done. > > But Microsoft has only recently discovered "rational software design". > Windows was/is very/somewhat tied to Intel architecture. Look how long > it has taken them to get Windows running well on Arm. The irony of that being, Windows NT was supposed to support multiple architectures from the beginning. But all the non-x86 ports were market failures. >> That’s how open-source software like LibreOffice and GIMP and Inkscape >> and all the rest of it is designed. That’s why it is able to be ported >> with minimal effort to new processor architectures as they come along. > > Which is also why Apple was able to easily port ALL of their Mac > software - OS and apps - from PowerPC to Intel to Arm. It is all > Unix-based. But surely software from third parties like Microsoft and others would also be just as “Unix-based”, so why would they be having trouble?
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-27 19:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mh95ntFdap6U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #696070 |
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 06:35:10 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote: > To me 8.1 should have been called 9, because it was quit a bit different > than 8. Too many jokes about Windows Nein!
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-28 06:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108os93$14i2g$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #696103 |
On 2025-08-27, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 06:35:10 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote: > >> To me 8.1 should have been called 9, because it was quit a bit different >> than 8. > > Too many jokes about Windows Nein! I never really knew why they didn't call it 9. Obviously they considered it version 9 because they next jumped to version 10 (the one that was "never" going to be updated again). -- Definition of Insanity: Thinking you can beat the Bear on his own territory.
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-27 06:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108m8qv$g39p$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #696008 |
On 2025-08-26, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > On 2025-08-25 9:55 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 20:06:42 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> In a way, it seems as though they don't see Linux as a threat at all. >> >> “First they ignore you; then they laugh at you; then they fight you; then >> you win.” >> -- Mohandas K Gandhi > > I agree with that statement. Nevertheless, there have been many > opportunities for Linux to take a significant portion of the computer > user base from Windows and they have never been fruitful. > > 1) Windows 9x instability should have prompted people to migrate to > Linux. Those who did found that Linux was just as unstable at that time, > sometimes worse (the GUI portion). > 2) The move to Windows Vista should have prompted people to migrate to > Linux, but people preferred to simply remove Windows Vista and install > XP on those computers. > 3) The move to Windows 8 should have prompted people to migrate to > Linux, but people preferred to simply remove 8 or 8.1 and install 7. > 4) The move to Windows 10 should have prompted people to migrate to > Linux, but most people found 10 to be "good enough" and installed it. > > It remains to be seen what they do with the forced move to 11 in a > little over a month. I don't see Linux taking over the desktop, but I do see it moving towards 10%, which is not insignificant. -- Definition of Insanity: Thinking you can beat the Bear on his own territory.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-08-27 09:07 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nqDrQ.51076$j%z8.14273@fx07.iad> |
| In reply to | #696069 |
On 2025-08-27 2:33 a.m., RonB wrote: > On 2025-08-26, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> On 2025-08-25 9:55 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 20:06:42 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> >>>> In a way, it seems as though they don't see Linux as a threat at all. >>> >>> “First they ignore you; then they laugh at you; then they fight you; then >>> you win.” >>> -- Mohandas K Gandhi >> >> I agree with that statement. Nevertheless, there have been many >> opportunities for Linux to take a significant portion of the computer >> user base from Windows and they have never been fruitful. >> >> 1) Windows 9x instability should have prompted people to migrate to >> Linux. Those who did found that Linux was just as unstable at that time, >> sometimes worse (the GUI portion). >> 2) The move to Windows Vista should have prompted people to migrate to >> Linux, but people preferred to simply remove Windows Vista and install >> XP on those computers. >> 3) The move to Windows 8 should have prompted people to migrate to >> Linux, but people preferred to simply remove 8 or 8.1 and install 7. >> 4) The move to Windows 10 should have prompted people to migrate to >> Linux, but most people found 10 to be "good enough" and installed it. >> >> It remains to be seen what they do with the forced move to 11 in a >> little over a month. > > I don't see Linux taking over the desktop, but I do see it moving towards > 10%, which is not insignificant. Linux's greatest ally in increasing its market share will be a poor economy. As much as people like having a new computer, the reality most people have acknowledged is that there is little difference between a machine made in 2015 and one made in 2025. If anything, the ten-year-old computer still runs fast and does whatever you need it to do. As a result, upgrading simply because Microsoft wants you to is a tough sale. The dumb or impatient people will simply upgrade; the rest will at least take a look at Linux. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage Islam is the enemy John 14:6
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-28 00:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108o8n2$10pj9$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #696082 |
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 09:07:32 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > Linux's greatest ally in increasing its market share will be a poor > economy. WHAT “poor economy”? Didn’t Trump sack the last lackey of his who tried to say the economy was sailing something less than wonderful under his captaincy?
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-28 06:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108os0j$14i2g$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #696112 |
On 2025-08-28, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 09:07:32 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> Linux's greatest ally in increasing its market share will be a poor >> economy. > > WHAT “poor economy”? Didn’t Trump sack the last lackey of his who tried to > say the economy was sailing something less than wonderful under his > captaincy? What Trump says and what actually is are often on polar opposites. Most people I know want Trump to quit messing around in other countries' business and start working on inflation at home. We had no choice in the last election (which is why I didn't vote). It was the idiot, laughing hyena or the idiot egomaniac. But at least we don't have to guess a person's "preferred pronoun" any more and the tide of illegal immigrants seems to have been stemmed — at least to some extent. -- Definition of Insanity: Thinking you can beat the Bear on his own territory.
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| From | pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-28 15:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108ptbs$1en22$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #696120 |
On 2025-08-28, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2025-08-28, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 09:07:32 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> Linux's greatest ally in increasing its market share will be a poor >>> economy. >> >> WHAT “poor economy”? Didn’t Trump sack the last lackey of his who tried to >> say the economy was sailing something less than wonderful under his >> captaincy? > > What Trump says and what actually is are often on polar opposites. Most > people I know want Trump to quit messing around in other countries' business > and start working on inflation at home. +1 Agree. We need to fix the US before we get involved in other countries' affairs. > We had no choice in the last election (which is why I didn't vote). It was > the idiot, laughing hyena or the idiot egomaniac. But at least we don't have > to guess a person's "preferred pronoun" any more and the tide of illegal > immigrants seems to have been stemmed — at least to some extent. I do wish both parties could move to the center and cooperate instead of throwing mud. That being said, had Kamala won we would be in the same sad state that UK and other European countries currently are. Once / if the US level sets closer to BAU normalcy we need better candidates from both sides. -- pothead "Our lives are fashioned by our choices. First we make our choices. Then our choices make us." -- Anne Frank
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-28 17:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mhbikgFplqiU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #696120 |
On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 06:12:35 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote: > What Trump says and what actually is are often on polar opposites. Most > people I know want Trump to quit messing around in other countries' > business and start working on inflation at home. https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2025/08/28/u-s-economy-surges-past- expectations-as-spending-investment-soar/ Inflation is doing just fine! (on some other planet than the one I live on)
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-29 06:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108rhe4$1qmb0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #696144 |
On 2025-08-28, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 06:12:35 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote: > >> What Trump says and what actually is are often on polar opposites. Most >> people I know want Trump to quit messing around in other countries' >> business and start working on inflation at home. > > https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2025/08/28/u-s-economy-surges-past- > expectations-as-spending-investment-soar/ > > Inflation is doing just fine! (on some other planet than the one I live > on) Trump's billionaire buddies love the economy now. It's the normal people, live from paycheck to paycheck who really feel the effects of inflation. Since Trump bombed Iran, gas has gone up from $2.85 a gallon to $3.60 a gallon in my city. But eggs are cheaper. -- Definition of Insanity: Thinking you can beat the Bear on his own territory.
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-28 06:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108orml$14i2g$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #696082 |
On 2025-08-27, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > On 2025-08-27 2:33 a.m., RonB wrote: >> On 2025-08-26, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>> On 2025-08-25 9:55 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 20:06:42 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>> >>>>> In a way, it seems as though they don't see Linux as a threat at all. >>>> >>>> “First they ignore you; then they laugh at you; then they fight you; then >>>> you win.” >>>> -- Mohandas K Gandhi >>> >>> I agree with that statement. Nevertheless, there have been many >>> opportunities for Linux to take a significant portion of the computer >>> user base from Windows and they have never been fruitful. >>> >>> 1) Windows 9x instability should have prompted people to migrate to >>> Linux. Those who did found that Linux was just as unstable at that time, >>> sometimes worse (the GUI portion). >>> 2) The move to Windows Vista should have prompted people to migrate to >>> Linux, but people preferred to simply remove Windows Vista and install >>> XP on those computers. >>> 3) The move to Windows 8 should have prompted people to migrate to >>> Linux, but people preferred to simply remove 8 or 8.1 and install 7. >>> 4) The move to Windows 10 should have prompted people to migrate to >>> Linux, but most people found 10 to be "good enough" and installed it. >>> >>> It remains to be seen what they do with the forced move to 11 in a >>> little over a month. >> >> I don't see Linux taking over the desktop, but I do see it moving towards >> 10%, which is not insignificant. > > Linux's greatest ally in increasing its market share will be a poor > economy. As much as people like having a new computer, the reality most > people have acknowledged is that there is little difference between a > machine made in 2015 and one made in 2025. If anything, the ten-year-old > computer still runs fast and does whatever you need it to do. As a > result, upgrading simply because Microsoft wants you to is a tough sale. > The dumb or impatient people will simply upgrade; the rest will at least > take a look at Linux. For Linux users there is going to be a positive result whatever happens. For starters, there will be more newer surplus corporate computers available cheap. Not that newer is always better. I've still got some old laptops and the keyboards are significantly better than modern laptop keyboards. This race for the slimmest laptops has resulted in a lot of crappy keyboards with almost no key travel. And these keyboards break down quicker. I've fixed or replaced several of them. -- Definition of Insanity: Thinking you can beat the Bear on his own territory.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-08-28 08:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <GgYrQ.173152$P2c3.34388@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #696119 |
On 2025-08-28 2:07 a.m., RonB wrote: > On 2025-08-27, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> On 2025-08-27 2:33 a.m., RonB wrote: >>> On 2025-08-26, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>> On 2025-08-25 9:55 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 20:06:42 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In a way, it seems as though they don't see Linux as a threat at all. >>>>> >>>>> “First they ignore you; then they laugh at you; then they fight you; then >>>>> you win.” >>>>> -- Mohandas K Gandhi >>>> >>>> I agree with that statement. Nevertheless, there have been many >>>> opportunities for Linux to take a significant portion of the computer >>>> user base from Windows and they have never been fruitful. >>>> >>>> 1) Windows 9x instability should have prompted people to migrate to >>>> Linux. Those who did found that Linux was just as unstable at that time, >>>> sometimes worse (the GUI portion). >>>> 2) The move to Windows Vista should have prompted people to migrate to >>>> Linux, but people preferred to simply remove Windows Vista and install >>>> XP on those computers. >>>> 3) The move to Windows 8 should have prompted people to migrate to >>>> Linux, but people preferred to simply remove 8 or 8.1 and install 7. >>>> 4) The move to Windows 10 should have prompted people to migrate to >>>> Linux, but most people found 10 to be "good enough" and installed it. >>>> >>>> It remains to be seen what they do with the forced move to 11 in a >>>> little over a month. >>> >>> I don't see Linux taking over the desktop, but I do see it moving towards >>> 10%, which is not insignificant. >> >> Linux's greatest ally in increasing its market share will be a poor >> economy. As much as people like having a new computer, the reality most >> people have acknowledged is that there is little difference between a >> machine made in 2015 and one made in 2025. If anything, the ten-year-old >> computer still runs fast and does whatever you need it to do. As a >> result, upgrading simply because Microsoft wants you to is a tough sale. >> The dumb or impatient people will simply upgrade; the rest will at least >> take a look at Linux. > > For Linux users there is going to be a positive result whatever happens. For > starters, there will be more newer surplus corporate computers available > cheap. Not that newer is always better. I've still got some old laptops and > the keyboards are significantly better than modern laptop keyboards. This > race for the slimmest laptops has resulted in a lot of crappy keyboards with > almost no key travel. And these keyboards break down quicker. I've fixed or > replaced several of them. I will admit that today's keyboards are garbage unless you go for the mechanical gaming keyboards that are quite satisfying to use. I wish they still made the Microsoft Natural keyboard though. That thing was just great in every way. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage Islam is the enemy John 14:6
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