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| Started by | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2025-08-24 04:52 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-08-31 08:23 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 333 — 17 participants |
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"Sorry, Linux Fans: This OS Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 04:52 -0400
Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-24 09:32 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 05:44 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 11:23 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 16:36 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 14:34 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 18:16 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-24 22:24 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 15:36 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 18:47 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 15:53 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-25 05:42 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-26 18:18 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-29 16:21 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-24 23:37 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-27 01:36 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-27 04:56 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 09:43 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-28 17:57 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-02 07:10 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-02 19:46 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-02 20:12 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-25 05:32 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 05:34 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-26 09:06 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-27 00:35 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-27 08:58 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 15:54 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 15:21 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-08-24 22:18 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 18:33 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 15:45 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 19:06 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 16:18 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 19:39 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 18:16 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 18:22 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 21:38 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 19:41 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-25 04:11 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 22:12 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-27 03:13 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 20:24 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-27 04:09 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-27 04:58 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-27 05:44 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 09:39 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-27 14:17 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-28 04:12 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-28 10:53 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-28 12:12 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> - 2025-08-28 09:40 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-28 14:31 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-28 19:23 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-28 21:12 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 10:16 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-30 12:12 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-30 08:29 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-30 12:11 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-30 12:35 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-31 00:08 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-31 07:14 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-29 00:53 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-29 08:43 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-01 02:57 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-01 08:53 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-02 03:57 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-28 19:19 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-28 21:12 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-29 08:44 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 10:36 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-30 08:35 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 10:21 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-29 16:27 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 16:55 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-30 12:13 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-28 21:45 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 10:26 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement (was: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement) Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-30 04:41 +0000
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement (was: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement) chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-30 10:36 -0500
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-30 12:06 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-30 13:30 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-30 13:35 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-30 13:54 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-30 14:39 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-08-31 00:22 +0000
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-30 20:53 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-31 14:37 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-08-31 19:37 +0000
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-31 16:21 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-01 08:29 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-01 11:48 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-01 13:23 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-01 19:47 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-02 17:05 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-03 04:17 +0000
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-03 11:01 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-03 19:10 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-03 19:32 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-31 22:13 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-01 08:34 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-09-01 13:23 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-02 07:04 +0000
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-02 16:56 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-09-03 09:50 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-03 11:06 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-09-03 12:20 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-03 17:33 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-09-04 09:15 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-04 15:45 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-09-04 18:46 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-09-05 07:18 -0500
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-03 00:55 +0000
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-09-03 01:14 +0000
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-09-03 09:57 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-03 21:52 +0000
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-09-04 09:36 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-04 18:15 +0000
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-04 07:30 +0000
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-04 08:31 +0000
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-09-04 09:42 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-04 09:31 -0700
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-01 11:43 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-02 20:14 -0700
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-03 19:15 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-03 16:23 -0700
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-03 21:00 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-03 19:17 -0700
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-04 09:55 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-04 09:09 -0700
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-04 19:36 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-04 16:45 -0700
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-04 19:57 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-04 17:13 -0700
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-04 21:30 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-04 21:53 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-04 19:12 -0700
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-04 22:24 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-04 20:32 -0700
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-04 23:54 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-04 23:22 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-04 19:11 -0700
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-05 09:28 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-09-05 16:41 -0500
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 17:50 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-05 14:57 -0700
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 18:09 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-05 15:12 -0700
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 18:33 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-05 15:54 -0700
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 19:13 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-05 16:15 -0700
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 19:39 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-05 16:58 -0700
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 20:02 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-09-06 00:51 +0000
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-05 18:01 -0700
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 21:55 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-05 19:02 -0700
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-06 12:43 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-06 15:44 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-06 13:32 -0700
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-04 20:09 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-04 15:52 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-04 13:14 -0700
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-04 10:35 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-04 09:16 -0700
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-04 12:42 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-04 10:11 -0700
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-04 14:41 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-09-01 20:29 +0000
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-01 19:53 -0400
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-09-02 00:34 +0000
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-02 12:12 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-30 08:35 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 09:37 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 09:36 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-24 09:45 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 13:59 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 11:24 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 16:39 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-24 16:55 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 17:05 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-24 20:26 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-08-25 01:41 +0100
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 20:57 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-25 14:47 -0500
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-25 18:42 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 20:52 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-08-25 02:00 +0100
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 21:29 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 01:22 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 09:04 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-26 00:42 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 09:58 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-25 13:13 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-26 00:45 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 21:24 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-26 09:36 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-27 00:37 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 09:48 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 14:30 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 18:07 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 15:13 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-25 03:53 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-25 14:52 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 09:47 -0700
Re: Sorry, Linux Fans: Mac Is Actually the WAY Better Windows Replacement Nick Charles <blankety_blank@blank> - 2025-08-24 13:35 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the WAY Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-24 21:56 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the WAY Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 15:12 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the WAY Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-25 04:26 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the WAY Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 04:32 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 14:01 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 11:17 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 14:26 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 11:38 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 16:42 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 14:31 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 18:12 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 15:27 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 18:53 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 15:57 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 19:17 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 16:21 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-24 23:40 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 18:18 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 08:56 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-25 06:58 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 12:45 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-26 18:27 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-26 19:34 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-26 21:17 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-27 08:59 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 09:29 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-27 14:51 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 15:41 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-27 19:18 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-30 12:16 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-30 12:37 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-30 22:03 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-31 07:10 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-31 22:14 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-01 08:35 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-25 04:36 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 21:51 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-25 06:19 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 02:39 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-26 18:40 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 18:52 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-26 21:29 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 21:37 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 09:28 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-27 10:02 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 10:31 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-27 10:44 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-29 10:25 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 10:55 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-29 12:52 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-30 08:23 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-30 14:16 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-30 14:43 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-30 22:03 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-31 15:54 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-31 22:16 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-01 11:37 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-01 13:20 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-30 22:51 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-30 19:16 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-30 08:41 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-27 14:52 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-28 04:13 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 16:22 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-29 19:17 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 19:46 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-30 08:44 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-26 19:37 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-26 21:30 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-27 09:03 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 09:27 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-27 14:50 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-25 18:37 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-26 00:40 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-26 09:02 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-27 00:30 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-24 22:26 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-08-24 23:49 +0100
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 15:57 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-08-25 00:25 +0100
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 19:13 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 16:20 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-08-25 00:34 +0100
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-24 23:42 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 18:20 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-24 23:44 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-08-25 01:15 +0100
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 01:20 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 18:24 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-08-25 02:26 +0100
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-24 18:20 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 08:49 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-25 06:59 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 12:55 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-26 00:46 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-26 18:42 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-26 19:38 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 10:32 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-25 13:58 -0500
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-26 18:44 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-28 07:07 -0500
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-04 00:37 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-03 20:48 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-05 01:53 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-05 09:23 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 15:33 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-09-05 20:06 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-05 13:17 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-09-05 20:59 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 17:06 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-09-05 21:17 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-05 18:13 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 18:36 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-05 14:19 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-09-06 13:02 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-06 11:17 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-09-06 20:40 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-06 13:51 -0700
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-09-06 21:51 +0000
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-07 18:31 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-05 18:12 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-05 18:02 -0400
Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-05 23:17 +0000
Re: "Sorry, Linux Fans: This OS Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement" Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2025-08-30 07:12 +0000
Re: "Sorry, Linux Fans: This OS Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement" RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-31 08:23 +0000
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 04:52 -0400 |
| Subject | "Sorry, Linux Fans: This OS Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement" |
| Message-ID | <apAqQ.615330$xyt3.71067@fx15.iad> |
https://www.makeuseof.com/macos-better-than-linux-for-windows-users/ Heh. This author here, while making a rational-enough case in a way, exposes why proprietary OSes are the refuge of the lazy, here I am using Windows 11 24H2 on a four-thread CPU, it's a bit sluggish, so I'll probably Linux this thing, but that's because I'm not so challenged by the terminal command line, I used PowerShell already today to install nativefier (a free way to make Web apps, cross-platform, I was using it under Debian, too, saving me $5 a month compared to WebCatalog), so even in Winblows there are instances where brain use comes in handy. But no, buying a fucking Mac is not the answer. It's too expensive. It's a cult of Steve Jobs' ghost, of corporate greed, walled garden as it were. Fuck them. It's ironic, but Windows actually beats macOS because of how expensive Macs are, and how its Unix functions aren't nearly as good as just using Linux - the macOS-specific stuff is hit-or-miss, where WinAPI apps are pretty consistently functional. Suffice to say, I'm still the most impressed, overall, with GNU/Linux such as Debian, but Winblows isn't so terrible in a way. -- Joel W. Crump
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 09:32 +0000 |
| Subject | Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement |
| Message-ID | <108em7q$2n7im$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #695757 |
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 04:52:22 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote: > But no, buying a fucking Mac is not the answer. It's too expensive. And lacking in expandability and versatility. All Apple’s machines are basically just glorified laptops now. And the OS may have licensed the “Unix” trademark, but it doesn’t work the way people expect traditional “Unix” systems to work. Ask one of the original Bell Labs crew, Ken “Mr Unix” Thompson: he has given up on Apple and switched to Linux.
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 05:44 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement |
| Message-ID | <K9BqQ.24334$qGT9.10822@fx06.iad> |
| In reply to | #695758 |
On 8/24/2025 5:32 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> But no, buying a fucking Mac is not the answer. It's too expensive. > > And lacking in expandability and versatility. All Apple’s machines are > basically just glorified laptops now. > > And the OS may have licensed the “Unix” trademark, but it doesn’t work the > way people expect traditional “Unix” systems to work. > > Ask one of the original Bell Labs crew, Ken “Mr Unix” Thompson: he has > given up on Apple and switched to Linux. Right, it's a freakin' joke, if you ask me, there are *selected* functions of macOS software that outshine the competition, but the typical home user is better off with something else, because of the ridiculous expense of the Apple platform, even if they like macOS, it's just throwing money down the toilet. Maybe they have money to burn, I could understand that, but it would never click with me even if I did have a billion dollars, because my brain doesn't work that way to prefer Apple's quirkware. -- Joel W. Crump
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 11:23 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement |
| Message-ID | <108flaa$2vcpq$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #695759 |
On 2025-08-24 02:44, Joel W. Crump wrote: > On 8/24/2025 5:32 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >>> But no, buying a fucking Mac is not the answer. It's too expensive. >> >> And lacking in expandability and versatility. All Apple’s machines are >> basically just glorified laptops now. >> >> And the OS may have licensed the “Unix” trademark, but it doesn’t work >> the >> way people expect traditional “Unix” systems to work. >> >> Ask one of the original Bell Labs crew, Ken “Mr Unix” Thompson: he has >> given up on Apple and switched to Linux. > > > Right, it's a freakin' joke, if you ask me, there are *selected* > functions of macOS software that outshine the competition, but the > typical home user is better off with something else, because of the > ridiculous expense of the Apple platform, even if they like macOS, it's > just throwing money down the toilet. Maybe they have money to burn, I > could understand that, but it would never click with me even if I did > have a billion dollars, because my brain doesn't work that way to prefer > Apple's quirkware. > "Ridiculous expense"? Please. Yes: my MacBook Air (M3) cost me $2,200CAD, but based on my experience, this is a computer I can easily use for the next 5 years. That's $37 a month. Even if a decent laptop with Linux cost me a third of that (and I very much doubt you can find one as good for that number), the difference is about $25/month. That's hardly a huge barrier to entry. But please elaborate: What makes Apple's technology so "quirky" in your estimation?
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 16:36 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement |
| Message-ID | <wJKqQ.191999$%RW3.71565@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #695790 |
On 8/24/2025 2:23 PM, Alan wrote: >> the >> typical home user is better off with something else [than a Mac], because of the >> ridiculous expense of the Apple platform, even if they like macOS, >> it's just throwing money down the toilet. Maybe they have money to >> burn, I could understand that, but it would never click with me even >> if I did have a billion dollars, because my brain doesn't work that >> way to prefer Apple's quirkware. > > "Ridiculous expense"? Please. > > Yes: my MacBook Air (M3) cost me $2,200CAD, but based on my experience, > this is a computer I can easily use for the next 5 years. > > That's $37 a month. > > Even if a decent laptop with Linux cost me a third of that (and I very > much doubt you can find one as good for that number), the difference is > about $25/month. > > That's hardly a huge barrier to entry. The point is, for that price, you could've gotten more hardware with another platform. It's like buying a Hyundai over a Honda, is it literally as good, maybe not in someone's OCD mind, but it's clearly a better value financially. > But please elaborate: > > What makes Apple's technology so "quirky" in your estimation? It has the potential to be a great Unix platform, but ends up being just a proprietary GUI by dull minds at a cult company, when all is said and done, at exorbitant prices. It's a money pit, even more than Windows systems are. -- Joel W. Crump
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 14:34 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement |
| Message-ID | <108g0ge$3215v$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #695801 |
On 2025-08-24 13:36, Joel W. Crump wrote: > On 8/24/2025 2:23 PM, Alan wrote: > >>> the typical home user is better off with something else [than a Mac], >>> because of the ridiculous expense of the Apple platform, even if they >>> like macOS, it's just throwing money down the toilet. Maybe they >>> have money to burn, I could understand that, but it would never click >>> with me even if I did have a billion dollars, because my brain >>> doesn't work that way to prefer Apple's quirkware. >> >> "Ridiculous expense"? Please. >> >> Yes: my MacBook Air (M3) cost me $2,200CAD, but based on my >> experience, this is a computer I can easily use for the next 5 years. >> >> That's $37 a month. >> >> Even if a decent laptop with Linux cost me a third of that (and I very >> much doubt you can find one as good for that number), the difference >> is about $25/month. >> >> That's hardly a huge barrier to entry. > > > The point is, for that price, you could've gotten more hardware with > another platform. It's like buying a Hyundai over a Honda, is it > literally as good, maybe not in someone's OCD mind, but it's clearly a > better value financially. > And had a far worse overall experience. I know how to use macOS, Windows (every version), Linux... ...and I know what works well. I also know that of the hundreds of people I've seen transition to using Macs, only two (yes: literally just 2) have ever expressed any desire to return to Windows and one of those was a man in his 70s who was just too set in his ways to change at that age. > >> But please elaborate: >> >> What makes Apple's technology so "quirky" in your estimation? > > > It has the potential to be a great Unix platform, but ends up being just > a proprietary GUI by dull minds at a cult company, when all is said and > done, at exorbitant prices. It's a money pit, even more than Windows > systems are. Your claim was that it is "quirky". Justify that claim.
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 18:16 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement |
| Message-ID | <cbMqQ.15889$zoSa.885@fx47.iad> |
| In reply to | #695814 |
On 8/24/2025 5:34 PM, Alan wrote: >>> But please elaborate: >>> >>> What makes Apple's technology so "quirky" in your estimation? >> >> It has the potential to be a great Unix platform, but ends up being >> just a proprietary GUI by dull minds at a cult company, when all is >> said and done, at exorbitant prices. It's a money pit, even more than >> Windows systems are. > Your claim was that it is "quirky". > > Justify that claim. The Apple-centric software *largely* sucks (although selected apps are great, Microsoft Office and Adobe's stuff are better than on Windows, imo), the Unix features are incomplete. It's a total bizarro world to me, compared to Windows or Linux. -- Joel W. Crump
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 22:24 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement |
| Message-ID | <108g3f6$32gqg$14@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #695823 |
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 18:16:39 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote: > The Apple-centric software *largely* sucks (although selected apps are > great, Microsoft Office and Adobe's stuff are better than on Windows, > imo), the Unix features are incomplete. There was a thing called “the Unix philosophy”. Though perhaps we should nowadays call it “the *nix philosophy”. One of its principles is “mechanism, not policy”. The OS kernel and core userland should, as far as possible, not prejudge the ways in which users, developers and admins may want to deploy the system; let them configure it, and build higher custom layers on top of it, to do whatever they want. Consider how *nix display servers like X11, and now Wayland, conform to this philosophy, by being separate modular, replaceable layers that operate entirely in userland. And they are not GUIs in themselves: the actual GUIs are additional higher layers on top of them, that are modular and replaceable in themselves. Consider how Apple breaks this philosophy, by inextricably binding its particular conception of a GUI tightly into its OS kernel.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 15:36 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement |
| Message-ID | <108g464$3215t$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #695826 |
On 2025-08-24 15:24, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 18:16:39 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote: > >> The Apple-centric software *largely* sucks (although selected apps are >> great, Microsoft Office and Adobe's stuff are better than on Windows, >> imo), the Unix features are incomplete. > > There was a thing called “the Unix philosophy”. Though perhaps we should > nowadays call it “the *nix philosophy”. > > One of its principles is “mechanism, not policy”. The OS kernel and core > userland should, as far as possible, not prejudge the ways in which users, > developers and admins may want to deploy the system; let them configure > it, and build higher custom layers on top of it, to do whatever they want. Which is all well and good for computer nerds (and I mean that very kindly in that I am one to some degree). Ordinary people DO NOT CARE ABOUT ANY OF THAT. > > Consider how *nix display servers like X11, and now Wayland, conform to > this philosophy, by being separate modular, replaceable layers that > operate entirely in userland. And they are not GUIs in themselves: the > actual GUIs are additional higher layers on top of them, that are modular > and replaceable in themselves. > > Consider how Apple breaks this philosophy, by inextricably binding its > particular conception of a GUI tightly into its OS kernel. Because they're producing a product for a mass market. You don't get to choose a GUI when you are buying your dishwasher... ...or your microwave... ...or your car. You want the manufacturer to deliver you a whole product that works in a manner you like (for the most part). Why do you think there is such a hue and cry when a widely used OS--be it Windows, macOS, Android--undergoes a large UI change? When Apple first brought out Mac OS X, there was a huge backlash against the change in UI. When Microsoft brought out Windows 8, there was a reaction from users that was so bad that many took that as a reason to switch to Macs. There is a (relatively) small community of users of any mass market product that want full customizability. Hell, I used to play with products like "Kaleidoscope" for Mac OS 7 and 8. But you come at this as if everyone wants that level of control, and the truth is: they don't.
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 18:47 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement |
| Message-ID | <2EMqQ.16000$zoSa.15972@fx47.iad> |
| In reply to | #695826 |
On 8/24/2025 6:24 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> The Apple-centric software *largely* sucks (although selected apps are >> great, Microsoft Office and Adobe's stuff are better than on Windows, >> imo), the Unix features are incomplete. > > There was a thing called “the Unix philosophy”. Though perhaps we should > nowadays call it “the *nix philosophy”. > > One of its principles is “mechanism, not policy”. The OS kernel and core > userland should, as far as possible, not prejudge the ways in which users, > developers and admins may want to deploy the system; let them configure > it, and build higher custom layers on top of it, to do whatever they want. > > Consider how *nix display servers like X11, and now Wayland, conform to > this philosophy, by being separate modular, replaceable layers that > operate entirely in userland. And they are not GUIs in themselves: the > actual GUIs are additional higher layers on top of them, that are modular > and replaceable in themselves. > > Consider how Apple breaks this philosophy, by inextricably binding its > particular conception of a GUI tightly into its OS kernel. It's a minor concern, ultimately, I do like the modular nature of Unix and GNU/Linux in terms of creating a GUI, it's terrific, but Microsoft and Apple haven't failed to be as advanced as such, there's nothing to say there are limitations on what can be developed for them. -- Joel W. Crump
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 15:53 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement |
| Message-ID | <108g564$3215v$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #695834 |
On 2025-08-24 15:47, Joel W. Crump wrote: > On 8/24/2025 6:24 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >>> The Apple-centric software *largely* sucks (although selected apps are >>> great, Microsoft Office and Adobe's stuff are better than on Windows, >>> imo), the Unix features are incomplete. >> >> There was a thing called “the Unix philosophy”. Though perhaps we should >> nowadays call it “the *nix philosophy”. >> >> One of its principles is “mechanism, not policy”. The OS kernel and core >> userland should, as far as possible, not prejudge the ways in which >> users, >> developers and admins may want to deploy the system; let them configure >> it, and build higher custom layers on top of it, to do whatever they >> want. >> >> Consider how *nix display servers like X11, and now Wayland, conform to >> this philosophy, by being separate modular, replaceable layers that >> operate entirely in userland. And they are not GUIs in themselves: the >> actual GUIs are additional higher layers on top of them, that are modular >> and replaceable in themselves. >> >> Consider how Apple breaks this philosophy, by inextricably binding its >> particular conception of a GUI tightly into its OS kernel. > > > It's a minor concern, ultimately, I do like the modular nature of Unix > and GNU/Linux in terms of creating a GUI, it's terrific, but Microsoft > and Apple haven't failed to be as advanced as such, there's nothing to > say there are limitations on what can be developed for them. > Do you want to buy a car where you can pick which engine you use? Have you actually created your own GUI?
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2025-08-25 05:42 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement |
| Message-ID | <mh2be0F7hvsU9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #695837 |
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 15:53:56 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in <108g564$3215v$9@dont-email.me>: > On 2025-08-24 15:47, Joel W. Crump wrote: >> On 8/24/2025 6:24 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >>>> The Apple-centric software *largely* sucks (although selected apps are >>>> great, Microsoft Office and Adobe's stuff are better than on Windows, >>>> imo), the Unix features are incomplete. >>> >>> There was a thing called “the Unix philosophy”. Though perhaps we should >>> nowadays call it “the *nix philosophy”. >>> >>> One of its principles is “mechanism, not policy”. The OS kernel and core >>> userland should, as far as possible, not prejudge the ways in which >>> users, >>> developers and admins may want to deploy the system; let them configure >>> it, and build higher custom layers on top of it, to do whatever they >>> want. >>> >>> Consider how *nix display servers like X11, and now Wayland, conform to >>> this philosophy, by being separate modular, replaceable layers that >>> operate entirely in userland. And they are not GUIs in themselves: the >>> actual GUIs are additional higher layers on top of them, that are modular >>> and replaceable in themselves. >>> >>> Consider how Apple breaks this philosophy, by inextricably binding its >>> particular conception of a GUI tightly into its OS kernel. >> >> >> It's a minor concern, ultimately, I do like the modular nature of Unix >> and GNU/Linux in terms of creating a GUI, it's terrific, but Microsoft >> and Apple haven't failed to be as advanced as such, there's nothing to >> say there are limitations on what can be developed for them. >> > > Do you want to buy a car where you can pick which engine you use? > > Have you actually created your own GUI? Terrible analogy. My car's NAV system has different themes to chose from. Almost nobody will use them, but some people do. Choice is good. -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090Ti 24G OS: Linux 6.16.2 D: Mint 22.1 DE: Xfce 4.18 NVIDIA: 580.76.05 Mem: 258G "Coming Soon!! Mouse Support for Edlin!!"
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-26 18:18 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement |
| Message-ID | <108lbs3$ah73$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #695906 |
On 2025-08-25 01:42, vallor wrote: > On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 15:53:56 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in > <108g564$3215v$9@dont-email.me>: > >> On 2025-08-24 15:47, Joel W. Crump wrote: >>> On 8/24/2025 6:24 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>>> The Apple-centric software *largely* sucks (although selected apps are >>>>> great, Microsoft Office and Adobe's stuff are better than on Windows, >>>>> imo), the Unix features are incomplete. >>>> >>>> There was a thing called “the Unix philosophy”. Though perhaps we should >>>> nowadays call it “the *nix philosophy”. >>>> >>>> One of its principles is “mechanism, not policy”. The OS kernel and core >>>> userland should, as far as possible, not prejudge the ways in which >>>> users, >>>> developers and admins may want to deploy the system; let them configure >>>> it, and build higher custom layers on top of it, to do whatever they >>>> want. >>>> >>>> Consider how *nix display servers like X11, and now Wayland, conform to >>>> this philosophy, by being separate modular, replaceable layers that >>>> operate entirely in userland. And they are not GUIs in themselves: the >>>> actual GUIs are additional higher layers on top of them, that are modular >>>> and replaceable in themselves. >>>> >>>> Consider how Apple breaks this philosophy, by inextricably binding its >>>> particular conception of a GUI tightly into its OS kernel. >>> >>> >>> It's a minor concern, ultimately, I do like the modular nature of Unix >>> and GNU/Linux in terms of creating a GUI, it's terrific, but Microsoft >>> and Apple haven't failed to be as advanced as such, there's nothing to >>> say there are limitations on what can be developed for them. >>> >> >> Do you want to buy a car where you can pick which engine you use? >> >> Have you actually created your own GUI? > > Terrible analogy. > > My car's NAV system has different themes to chose from. Almost > nobody will use them, but some people do. > > Choice is good. And yet for most consumer goods, choice is extremely limited and personal customization after purchase is essentially nil.
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-29 16:21 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement |
| Message-ID | <108t24o$27dtk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #696037 |
On 8/26/25 18:18, Alan wrote: > On 2025-08-25 01:42, vallor wrote: >> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 15:53:56 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>> ... >>> Do you want to buy a car where you can pick which engine you use? >>> >>> Have you actually created your own GUI? >> >> Terrible analogy. >> >> My car's NAV system has different themes to chose from. Almost >> nobody will use them, but some people do. >> >> Choice is good. > > And yet for most consumer goods, choice is extremely limited and > personal customization after purchase is essentially nil. In the meantime (while still catching up on threads) I'm wondering just what are these so-called various "themes" on a Navigation system...? I've seen day/night, as well as features for it to automatically switch. Similarly, I've also seen Infotainment systems where one can choose from some different background 'desktop' colors. This is broader than just a NAV module, but I can see where a NAV UI could use the system's desktop settings for various boxes/whatever enough for it to count. FWIW, I've also had some GPS's where one can choose which icon to use to designate one's own vehicle, from a short list provided therein. But all of these are pretty simple to program, and a half dozen choices for each provides a lot of variations for customers to choose from. Granted, it doesn't offer infinite color variation (or even color-match to the OEM's available colors), but for the generic mainstream consumer, they're content with "blue car" instead of it being exactly "Largo Blue" or whatever. -hh
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 23:37 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement |
| Message-ID | <108g7o8$33tg6$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #695834 |
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 18:47:26 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote: > On 8/24/2025 6:24 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >> Consider how *nix display servers like X11, and now Wayland, conform to >> this philosophy, by being separate modular, replaceable layers that >> operate entirely in userland. > > It's a minor concern, ultimately, I do like the modular nature of Unix > and GNU/Linux in terms of creating a GUI, it's terrific, but Microsoft > and Apple haven't failed to be as advanced as such, there's nothing to > say there are limitations on what can be developed for them. Yes there are. Look at how Microsoft has completely failed at adapting Windows to any kind of mobile device, from Windows Phone up to the present gaming handhelds. Apple created entirely separate OSes for its phones and its tablets (which fitted nicely into its walled-garden business model, of course), while Linux-based competitors (Android, Steam Deck etc) are much more versatile and adaptable.
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| From | Tyrone <none@none.none> |
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| Date | 2025-08-27 01:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement |
| Message-ID | <KhycnXBM0Pi-_DP1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #695851 |
On Aug 24, 2025 at 7:37:45 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 18:47:26 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote: > >> On 8/24/2025 6:24 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> Consider how *nix display servers like X11, and now Wayland, conform to >>> this philosophy, by being separate modular, replaceable layers that >>> operate entirely in userland. >> >> It's a minor concern, ultimately, I do like the modular nature of Unix >> and GNU/Linux in terms of creating a GUI, it's terrific, but Microsoft >> and Apple haven't failed to be as advanced as such, there's nothing to >> say there are limitations on what can be developed for them. > > Yes there are. Look at how Microsoft has completely failed at adapting > Windows to any kind of mobile device, from Windows Phone up to the present > gaming handhelds. That's because Windows is not "adaptable" at all. It is not modular, portable nor scalable. All of which is how Unix was designed from the beginning. > Apple created entirely separate OSes for its phones and > its tablets What? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. iOS is a fork of MacOS (OS X at the time). In fact, on the very first iPhone the OS was called "OS X". Get a clue. iPads ran iOS until version 13. Then iOS was forked into iPadOS because Apple started adding multiple window management, which would be silly on a phone. tvOS/WatchOS are both forks of iOS. They are all Unix. They are not "entirely separate OSes". The main difference is the GUIs. Just like Android is a fork of Linux. Because Unix IS modular/portable/scalable.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-27 04:56 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement |
| Message-ID | <108m36q$f17k$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #696057 |
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 01:36:35 +0000, Tyrone wrote: > On Aug 24, 2025 at 7:37:45 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" > <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> Apple created entirely separate OSes for its phones and its tablets > > What? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. iOS is a > fork of MacOS (OS X at the time). Completely different GUI, therefore completely different kernel. The GUI is not a separate, modular layer, remember. > iPads ran iOS until version 13. Then iOS was forked into iPadOS because > Apple started adding multiple window management, which would be silly on > a phone. The distinction is what is silly. Remember, Android invented “phablets”. > They are all Unix. They all license the “Unix” trademark, that doesn’t mean they follow the “*nix” philosophy, as I have pointed out.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-27 09:43 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement |
| Message-ID | <108n223$mqo6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #696065 |
On 2025-08-27 00:56, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 01:36:35 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
>
>> On Aug 24, 2025 at 7:37:45 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro"
>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Apple created entirely separate OSes for its phones and its tablets
>>
>> What? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. iOS is a
>> fork of MacOS (OS X at the time).
>
> Completely different GUI, therefore completely different kernel. The GUI
> is not a separate, modular layer, remember.
Wow... ...just, no.
Why would a completely different GUI mean a completely different kernel?
'XNU ("X is Not Unix") is the computer operating system (OS) kernel
developed at Apple Inc. since December 1996 for use in the Mac OS X (now
macOS) operating system and released as free and open-source software as
part of the Darwin OS, which, in addition to being the basis for macOS,
is also the basis for Apple TV Software, iOS, iPadOS, watchOS, visionOS,
and tvOS.'
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XNU>
>
>> iPads ran iOS until version 13. Then iOS was forked into iPadOS because
>> Apple started adding multiple window management, which would be silly on
>> a phone.
>
> The distinction is what is silly. Remember, Android invented “phablets”.
No. The distinction is NOT silly. Different usage patterns make running
the same OS silly.
As Microsoft discovered to its dismay with Windows 8.
>
>> They are all Unix.
>
> They all license the “Unix” trademark, that doesn’t mean they follow the
> “*nix” philosophy, as I have pointed out.
Where you get to define what the "*nix" philosophy is.
Got it.
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| From | Tyrone <none@none.none> |
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| Date | 2025-08-28 17:57 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement |
| Message-ID | <XeKdnf6thvwKBS31nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #696065 |
On Aug 27, 2025 at 12:56:58 AM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 01:36:35 +0000, Tyrone wrote: > >> On Aug 24, 2025 at 7:37:45 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" >> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Apple created entirely separate OSes for its phones and its tablets >> >> What? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. iOS is a >> fork of MacOS (OS X at the time). > > Completely different GUI, therefore completely different kernel. The GUI > is not a separate, modular layer, remember. Instead of continuing to dig yourself into a hole, just admit that you know nothing about Operating Systems in general and Apple in particular. OF COURSE the GUI is a separate layer. That's part of what Unix is all about. Modular, portable and scalable. >> iPads ran iOS until version 13. Then iOS was forked into iPadOS because >> Apple started adding multiple window management, which would be silly on >> a phone. > > The distinction is what is silly. Remember, Android invented “phablets”. No, it is not silly. Do phones need code to manage multiple, overlapping windows? No, because everything runs full screen on the small screen of the phone. >> They are all Unix. > > They all license the “Unix” trademark, that doesn’t mean they follow the > “*nix” philosophy, as I have pointed out. Yes, you keep claiming that, which is not at all the same as "pointing it out". They are all - in fact - Unix. Deal with it.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-02 07:10 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement |
| Message-ID | <109659f$bco7$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #696145 |
On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 17:57:43 +0000, Tyrone wrote: > On Aug 27, 2025 at 12:56:58 AM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> > wrote: > >> On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 01:36:35 +0000, Tyrone wrote: >> >>> On Aug 24, 2025 at 7:37:45 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" >>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> Apple created entirely separate OSes for its phones and its >>>> tablets >>> >>> What? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. iOS is >>> a fork of MacOS (OS X at the time). >> >> Completely different GUI, therefore completely different kernel. >> The GUI is not a separate, modular layer, remember. > > Instead of continuing to dig yourself into a hole, just admit that > you know nothing about Operating Systems in general and Apple in > particular. > > OF COURSE the GUI is a separate layer. That's part of what Unix is > all about. Modular, portable and scalable. No, that’s part of what the “Unix philosophy” is about, or perhaps better renamed the “*nix philosophy” now, since the one OS still in common use that has licensed the “Unix” trademark does not, and actually has never (since its NextStep days) abided by that philosophy. No, the macOS GUI is *not* a separate, modular layer, like on Linux. Are there alternative GUIs available, like on common Linux distros? Can you install it without a GUI at all, like on Linux, and administer it remotely via SSH? Can you login on text consoles, like on Linux? No, and no, and no.
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