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  Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 08:49 +0000
    Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 08:01 -0500
    Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-08 09:11 -0500
      Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 15:40 +0000
        Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-08 11:05 -0500
          Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 17:07 +0000
            Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-09 08:22 -0500
              Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-09 20:03 +0000
              Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-10 07:54 +0000
                Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-10 10:27 -0500
                  Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-11 06:23 +0000
                    Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-11 08:51 -0500
                      Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 20:49 +0000
                        Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-11 19:47 -0500
                          Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 03:09 +0000
                            Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-12 09:02 -0500
                              Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 19:12 +0000
                                Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-12 19:03 -0500
                                  Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-13 06:44 +0000
                                    Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-13 07:27 +0000
                                    Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-13 08:43 -0500
                                      Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-14 07:44 +0000
                                        Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-14 09:04 -0500
                                  Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-14 00:52 +0000
                                    Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-14 09:00 -0500
                                      Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-14 22:21 +0000
                                        Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-14 18:53 -0500
                                          Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-15 06:53 +0000
                                            Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-15 05:41 -0500
                                              Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-16 00:10 +0000
                        Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-12 06:27 +0000
                          Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 06:47 +0000
                      Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-12 00:33 +0000
                        Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-11 19:43 -0500
                        Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-11 19:50 -0500
                          Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-12 02:54 +0000
                          Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-12 06:38 +0000
                        Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-02-11 20:39 -0500
                        Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-12 04:33 +0000
                        Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-15 11:27 +0000
                          Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-15 21:08 +0000
                            Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-15 22:03 +0000
                              Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 00:46 +0000
                                Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 04:07 +0000
                                Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-16 09:01 +0000
                              Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 03:53 +0000
                                Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-16 09:04 +0000
                            Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-15 19:32 -0500
                              Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 04:10 +0000
                                Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-16 09:06 +0000
                          Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-15 21:26 +0000
                            Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-15 22:36 +0000
                              Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-16 00:09 +0000
                                Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-16 08:49 +0000
                            Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 00:36 +0000
                              Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-16 01:36 +0000
                                Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 03:46 +0000
                              Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-16 02:09 +0000
                                Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-15 21:13 -0500
                                  Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 04:01 +0000
                                    Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-15 23:39 -0500
                                    Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-16 08:40 -0500
                                      Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-17 05:29 +0000
                                        (more on) Pan (was: Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-17 11:34 +0000
                                          Re: (more on) Pan (was: Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-17 19:03 +0000
                                            Re: (more on) Pan snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-17 19:33 +0000
                                        Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-17 07:13 -0500
                                          Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-17 21:47 +0000
                                  Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 04:18 +0000
                                    Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-15 23:48 -0500
                                      Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 05:32 +0000
                                        Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 00:39 -0500
                                          Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 08:14 +0000
                                            Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 04:10 -0500
                                              Agent isn't open source. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 12:39 +0000
                                                Re: Agent isn't open source. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 05:47 -0700
                                                  Re: Agent isn't open source. Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-16 13:11 +0000
                                                    Re: Agent isn't open source. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 06:18 -0700
                                                      Re: Agent isn't open source. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-17 06:17 +0000
                                                    Re: Agent isn't open source. Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-16 13:20 +0000
                                                  Linux and Pan are open source (was: Re: Agent isn't open source.) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 14:56 +0000
                                                Re: Agent isn't open source. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 07:48 -0500
                                                Re: Agent isn't open source. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-02-16 07:56 -0500
                                                Re: Agent isn't open source. snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-16 13:13 +0000
                                                  Re: Agent isn't open source. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 13:22 +0000
                                                    Re: Agent isn't open source. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 06:33 -0700
                                                    [OT] Ice cream (was: Re: Agent isn't open source.) snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-16 13:37 +0000
                                                      Re: [OT] Ice cream % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 06:38 -0700
                                                      Re: [OT] Ice cream (was: Re: Agent isn't open source.) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 14:14 +0000
                                                        Re: [OT] Ice cream snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-16 14:37 +0000
                                                        Re: [OT] Ice cream (was: Re: Agent isn't open source.) chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-16 20:32 -0600
                                                          Re: [OT] Ice cream (was: Re: Agent isn't open source.) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-17 05:20 +0000
                                                            Re: [OT] Ice cream Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 11:47 -0600
                                                Re: Agent isn't open source. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-16 07:53 -0600
                                                  Re: Agent isn't open source. Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 15:14 -0600
                                        Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-02-16 07:50 -0500
                                          Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 13:17 +0000
                                            Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 06:20 -0700
                                              Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-02-16 13:27 +0000
                                                Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 06:32 -0700
                                                  Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-02-16 13:42 +0000
                                            Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-16 13:28 +0000
                                          Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 19:52 +0000
                                        Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-16 08:44 -0500
                                Pan (was: Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 03:56 +0000
                                  Re: Pan (was: Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again) pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-16 04:39 +0000
                                  Re: Pan (was: Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 04:59 +0000
                      Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-12 06:24 +0000
                        Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-12 09:04 -0500
                          Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 19:16 +0000
                            Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-12 19:07 -0500
                          Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-13 06:41 +0000
                            Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-13 08:42 -0500
                              Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 21:23 +0000
                              Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-14 07:43 +0000
                                Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-14 09:03 -0500
                                  Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-14 21:09 +0000
                                    Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-14 18:51 -0500
                                      Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-15 00:38 +0000
                                  Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-15 14:18 +0000
                                    Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-15 12:39 -0500
                                      Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-15 21:18 +0000
                                        Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-15 19:36 -0500
                                          Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 04:12 +0000
                                            Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 08:51 +0000
                                        Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 08:50 +0000
                                          Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-16 08:46 -0500
                                Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-14 20:45 +0000
                                  Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-14 21:43 +0000
                                    Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-15 00:28 +0000
                                      Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 04:19 +0000
          Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-10 18:30 +0000

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#686083 — Linux and Pan are open source (was: Re: Agent isn't open source.)

On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 05:47:09 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
<C9KdnRHi1MTPQyz6nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>:

> vallor wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 04:10:14 -0500, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>> <g1a3rj12ds18vrnoepvuisikjifl6svqbg@4ax.com>:
>> 
>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> there are a finite number of known NNTP clients in the
>>>>> universe, Agent stands out among them.
>>>>
>>>> I won't even ask what makes it so spectacular. I've never used it and have
>>>> no desire to. Pan does what I need.
>>>
>>>
>>> Agent is a commercial app, fully featured, giving one a GUI interface
>>> to Usenet.  It allows me to efficiently, professionally deal with the
>>> NGs.
>> 
>> Riiiiight.
>> 
>> Let's take an example:  how many news servers can you configure
>> it to use? (I have three set up in Pan.)
>> 
>> Meanwhile, your "commercial app" isn't open source, and isn't
>> even being maintained anymore -- not for 10 years!  Booo!
>> 
>> Besides:  Gravity is better.
>> 
>> But all this is moot.  We might as well be discussing the
>> "one true ice cream".  Different people have different
>> preferences.  That's what makes Unix so nice: choice.
>> 
> everyone on unix is always stuck fixing something ,
> i haven't got time to figure out ,
> if my ubuntu goes woo woo , i deleted everything except ,
> the stuff i need to post with

I know a grandma who posts on Usenet, with Pan, using Linux.

And so do you.

While Pan may not be for everyone, I like it -- it's flexible.
I have the source, and I can run a script as a signature.
It also supports little geegaws like X-Face and Face.

And I like Linux because it stays out of my way, and doesn't
spy on me.  I've been running it since 1992 in one way or another,
and it has been my desktop for most of that time.  (I did run
Windows 7 as a desktop for a year or two, but abandoned it because
of its inflexibility.)

-- 
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   OS: Linux 6.14.0-rc2 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G
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#686044 — Re: Agent isn't open source.

vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:

>> [Forte] Agent is a commercial app, fully featured, giving one a GUI interface
>> to Usenet.  It allows me to efficiently, professionally deal with the
>> NGs.
>
>Riiiiight.
>
>Let's take an example:  how many news servers can you configure
>it to use? (I have three set up in Pan.)


OK.


>Meanwhile, your "commercial app" isn't open source, and isn't
>even being maintained anymore -- not for 10 years!  Booo!


It's still functional as it was in 2014, dude.  That's why it's still
being offered for sale, derp.


>Besides:  Gravity is better.


You may believe that.


>But all this is moot.  We might as well be discussing the
>"one true ice cream".  Different people have different
>preferences.  That's what makes Unix so nice: choice.


'K.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#686046 — Re: Agent isn't open source.

vallor wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> But all this is moot.  We might as well be discussing the
> "one true ice cream".  Different people have different
> preferences.  That's what makes Unix so nice: choice.

    https://news.software.readers.narkive.com/N1nrut8v/slrn-using-slrn-to-read-from-multiple-servers

Alternatives are slrnpull and leafnode, but I've never tried them.

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`Lasu' Releases SAG 0.3 -- Freeware Book Takes Paves For New World Order
by staff writers
	...
	The central Superhighway site called ``sunsite.unc.edu''
collapsed in the morning before the release.  News about the release had
been leaked by a German hacker group, Harmonious Hardware Hackers, who
had cracked into the author's computer earlier in the week.  They had
got the release date wrong by one day, and caused dozens of eager fans
to connect to the sunsite computer at the wrong time.  ``No computer can
handle that kind of stress,'' explained the mourning sunsite manager,
Erik Troan.  ``The spinning disks made the whole computer jump, and
finally it crashed through the floor to the basement.''  Luckily,
repairs were swift and the computer was working again the same evening.
``Thank God we were able to buy enough needles and thread and patch it
together without major problems.''  The site has also installed a new
throttle on the network pipe, allowing at most four clients at the same
time, thus making a new crash less likely.  ``The book is now in our
Incoming folder'', says Troan, ``and you're all welcome to come and get it.''
		-- Lars Wirzenius <wirzeniu@cs.helsinki.fi>
		   [comp.os.linux.announce]

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#686048 — Re: Agent isn't open source.

vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:

> We might as well be discussing the "one true ice cream".

That would be plain vanilla made with real vanilla pods 
and no rendered animal fats substituted for real cream.

Fun fact:  
A UK pork sausage manufacturer  "Walls have ears and 
arseholes too"  produces a leading UK ice cream brand.  

-- 
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#686053 — Re: Agent isn't open source.

On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 13:13:56 +0000, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote in
<1r7umch.1c7d01cr8qufxN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>:

> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
> 
>> We might as well be discussing the "one true ice cream".
> 
> That would be plain vanilla made with real vanilla pods 
> and no rendered animal fats substituted for real cream.

I'm not sure that would work in the U.S., because we have
labelling laws and regulations.

> Fun fact:  
> A UK pork sausage manufacturer  "Walls have ears and 
> arseholes too"  produces a leading UK ice cream brand.

Their "ice cream" must suck ass!

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#686057 — Re: Agent isn't open source.

vallor wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 13:13:56 +0000, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote in
> <1r7umch.1c7d01cr8qufxN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>:
> 
>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>
>>> We might as well be discussing the "one true ice cream".
>>
>> That would be plain vanilla made with real vanilla pods
>> and no rendered animal fats substituted for real cream.
> 
> I'm not sure that would work in the U.S., because we have
> labelling laws and regulations.
> 
>> Fun fact:
>> A UK pork sausage manufacturer  "Walls have ears and
>> arseholes too"  produces a leading UK ice cream brand.
> 
> Their "ice cream" must suck ass!
> 
no , ted does that

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#686059 — [OT] Ice cream (was: Re: Agent isn't open source.)

vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 13:13:56 +0000, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote in
> <1r7umch.1c7d01cr8qufxN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>:
> 
> > vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
> > 
> >> We might as well be discussing the "one true ice cream".
> > 
> > That would be plain vanilla made with real vanilla pods 
> > and no rendered animal fats substituted for real cream.
> 
> I'm not sure that would work in the U.S., because we have
> labelling laws and regulations.

- As indeed we do.  In the UK, only *Dairy* Ice Cream is made 
with just real cream; ordinary "ice cream" may have all sorts.

How about stabiliser gum and emulsifiers, etc. in the US?

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#686060 — Re: [OT] Ice cream

Sn!pe wrote:
> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 13:13:56 +0000, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote in
>> <1r7umch.1c7d01cr8qufxN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We might as well be discussing the "one true ice cream".
>>>
>>> That would be plain vanilla made with real vanilla pods
>>> and no rendered animal fats substituted for real cream.
>>
>> I'm not sure that would work in the U.S., because we have
>> labelling laws and regulations.
> 
> - As indeed we do.  In the UK, only *Dairy* Ice Cream is made
> with just real cream; ordinary "ice cream" may have all sorts.
> 
> How about stabiliser gum and emulsifiers, etc. in the US?
> 
my ice cream has no sugar

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#686072 — Re: [OT] Ice cream (was: Re: Agent isn't open source.)

On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 13:37:21 +0000, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote in
<1r7uo45.10rudq415v0zxmN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>:

> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 13:13:56 +0000, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote in
>> <1r7umch.1c7d01cr8qufxN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>:
>> 
>> > vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> We might as well be discussing the "one true ice cream".
>> > 
>> > That would be plain vanilla made with real vanilla pods 
>> > and no rendered animal fats substituted for real cream.
>> 
>> I'm not sure that would work in the U.S., because we have
>> labelling laws and regulations.
> 
> - As indeed we do.  In the UK, only *Dairy* Ice Cream is made 
> with just real cream; ordinary "ice cream" may have all sorts.
> 
> How about stabiliser gum and emulsifiers, etc. in the US?

Depends on the brand -- and they will appear in the federally-mandated
list of ingredients.

We have a few local dairies in our county that offer ice creams.  Cost
a bit more than the "usual" brands, but they are worth it.  There's
also Tillamook from Oregon:
    https://www.tillamook.com/products/ice-cream/all

I just looked at their vanilla bean, and it has "Tara Gum" and "Guar Gum".
Compare with our local Straus Creamery:

https://www.strausfamilycreamery.com/products/ice-cream/organic-vanilla-bean-ice-cream/

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#686075 — Re: [OT] Ice cream

vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
[...]
> >> >> We might as well be discussing the "one true ice cream".
> >> > 
> >> > That would be plain vanilla made with real vanilla pods 
> >> > and no rendered animal fats substituted for real cream.
> >> 
> >> I'm not sure that would work in the U.S., because we have
> >> labelling laws and regulations.
> > 
> > - As indeed we do.  In the UK, only *Dairy* Ice Cream is made 
> > with just real cream; ordinary "ice cream" may have all sorts.
> > 
> > How about stabiliser gum and emulsifiers, etc. in the US?
> 
> Depends on the brand -- and they will appear in the federally-mandated
> list of ingredients.
> 
> We have a few local dairies in our county that offer ice creams.  Cost
> a bit more than the "usual" brands, but they are worth it.  There's
> also Tillamook from Oregon:
>     <https://www.tillamook.com/products/ice-cream/all>
> 
> I just looked at their vanilla bean, and it has "Tara Gum" and "Guar Gum".
> Compare with our local Straus Creamery:
> 
> <https://www.strausfamilycreamery.com/products/ice-cream/organic-vanilla-bean-ice-cream/>

I would cheerfully eat the latter.  In truth, I'd probably eat 
the other one too, but only one of them is Proper.

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#686122 — Re: [OT] Ice cream (was: Re: Agent isn't open source.)

vallor wrote:

>We have a few local dairies in our county that offer ice creams.  Cost
>a bit more than the "usual" brands, but they are worth it.  There's
>also Tillamook from Oregon:
>    https://www.tillamook.com/products/ice-cream/all
>
>I just looked at their vanilla bean, and it has "Tara Gum" and "Guar Gum".
>Compare with our local Straus Creamery:
>
>https://www.strausfamilycreamery.com/products/ice-cream/organic-vanilla-bean-ice-cream/

Häagen-Dazs is plenty good.

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#686127 — Re: [OT] Ice cream (was: Re: Agent isn't open source.)

On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 20:32:53 -0600, chrisv wrote:

> Häagen-Dazs is plenty good.

I've always had a problem with a brand name chosen by a NYC Jew to sound 
vaguely Danish in an attempt to put lipstick on a pig.  Then there is the 
lame attempts at DEI.

https://www.mindfulmarketing.org/mindful-matters-blog/more-diversity-wont-
mean-more-dollars-for-haagen-dazs

I sure as hell don't buy Ben and Jerry either, a pair of phony hippies. 

I don't eat that much ice cream, maybe two or three servings a year, but I 
prefer one of the local companies. It's not always on the menu but The Big 
Dipper's cardamon is great. At $7.25 for a double cone it damn well better 
be.

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#686164 — Re: [OT] Ice cream

On 2/16/25 11:20 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 20:32:53 -0600, chrisv wrote:
> 
>> Häagen-Dazs is plenty good.
> 
> I've always had a problem with a brand name chosen by a NYC Jew to sound
> vaguely Danish in an attempt to put lipstick on a pig.  Then there is the
> lame attempts at DEI.
> 
> https://www.mindfulmarketing.org/mindful-matters-blog/more-diversity-wont-
> mean-more-dollars-for-haagen-dazs
> 
> I sure as hell don't buy Ben and Jerry either, a pair of phony hippies.
> 
> I don't eat that much ice cream, maybe two or three servings a year, but I
> prefer one of the local companies. It's not always on the menu but The Big
> Dipper's cardamon is great. At $7.25 for a double cone it damn well better
> be.
> 


Braum's rule, you redneck. And yes, they're Jewish. So kill yourself. 
Run up the hills a few more times more often.

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#686068 — Re: Agent isn't open source.

vallor wrote:

>But all this is moot.  We might as well be discussing the
>"one true ice cream".  Different people have different
>preferences.  That's what makes Unix so nice: choice.

Indeed, and there's nothing wrong with closed-source software, in a
free and healthy market.  It only becomes bad when some company with
excessive power in a market, like Micro$oft, seeks to restrict
consumer choice.

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"True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark, defending the need to use
Microsoft products to access government services

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#686112 — Re: Agent isn't open source.

On 2/16/25 7:53 AM, chrisv wrote:
> vallor wrote:
> 
>> But all this is moot.  We might as well be discussing the
>> "one true ice cream".  Different people have different
>> preferences.  That's what makes Unix so nice: choice.
> 
> Indeed, and there's nothing wrong with closed-source software, in a
> free and healthy market.  It only becomes bad when some company with
> excessive power in a market, like Micro$oft, seeks to restrict
> consumer choice.
> 


Did the "true American" again speak of "true" something?.. The Bozo is 
sure an _immutable_ Bozo.

Tell him how come "true Americans" exist but not "true ice cream".

Fucking Bozos..

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#686045

vallor wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 23:48:30 -0500, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
> <47r2rjl9jlr629og8qceqp8fgfhtmh5sv8@4ax.com>:
>
>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> This would be why I use Forte Agent under Wine, why settle for hobbyware
>>>> BS like Pan?  Unix-like has terrific NNTP clients running in terminal,
>>>> but I have yet to see a GUI one worth anything.
>>>
>>>Pan works for me. If I want to run Windows stuff, I'll fire up the Windows 
>>>laptop. It's been a while but iirc I have usenet set up in Thunderbird on 
>>>Windows. It got weird on Linux and I switched to Pan. 
>>>
>>>I used to like KNode but that's history now. Usenet gets no respect in 
>>>KDE.
>> 
>> My philosophy is to use the best, the latest, up-to-date, user-
>> friendly software for a given purpose.  It's pretty simple, other than
>> Usenapp for macOS, Forte Agent stands as a flagship GUI NNTP client,
>> native to Windows API but usable under Wine.  There's just no good
>> reason to put up with something less than.
>
> I've seen editor wars, and OS wars, but this is the first time
> I've seen some Usenet rando try to start a newsreader war.

I use slrn. All other newsreaders suck ass.
I use mutt. All other email clients suck ass.

I should add this:

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

-- 
No excellent soul is exempt from a mixture of madness.
		-- Aristotle

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#686049

On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 07:50:02 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
wrote in <vosmtq$jcde$1@dont-email.me>:

> vallor wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
> 
>> On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 23:48:30 -0500, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>> <47r2rjl9jlr629og8qceqp8fgfhtmh5sv8@4ax.com>:
>>
>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> This would be why I use Forte Agent under Wine, why settle for hobbyware
>>>>> BS like Pan?  Unix-like has terrific NNTP clients running in terminal,
>>>>> but I have yet to see a GUI one worth anything.
>>>>
>>>>Pan works for me. If I want to run Windows stuff, I'll fire up the Windows 
>>>>laptop. It's been a while but iirc I have usenet set up in Thunderbird on 
>>>>Windows. It got weird on Linux and I switched to Pan. 
>>>>
>>>>I used to like KNode but that's history now. Usenet gets no respect in 
>>>>KDE.
>>> 
>>> My philosophy is to use the best, the latest, up-to-date, user-
>>> friendly software for a given purpose.  It's pretty simple, other than
>>> Usenapp for macOS, Forte Agent stands as a flagship GUI NNTP client,
>>> native to Windows API but usable under Wine.  There's just no good
>>> reason to put up with something less than.
>>
>> I've seen editor wars, and OS wars, but this is the first time
>> I've seen some Usenet rando try to start a newsreader war.
> 
> I use slrn. All other newsreaders suck ass.
> I use mutt. All other email clients suck ass.
> 
> I should add this:
> 
>     ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Oh yeah?  Well:

I fly spaceships in Elite Dangerous Odyssey.  All other games suck!

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#686052

vallor wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 07:50:02 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
> wrote in <vosmtq$jcde$1@dont-email.me>:
> 
>> vallor wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>
>>> On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 23:48:30 -0500, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> <47r2rjl9jlr629og8qceqp8fgfhtmh5sv8@4ax.com>:
>>>
>>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> This would be why I use Forte Agent under Wine, why settle for hobbyware
>>>>>> BS like Pan?  Unix-like has terrific NNTP clients running in terminal,
>>>>>> but I have yet to see a GUI one worth anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pan works for me. If I want to run Windows stuff, I'll fire up the Windows
>>>>> laptop. It's been a while but iirc I have usenet set up in Thunderbird on
>>>>> Windows. It got weird on Linux and I switched to Pan.
>>>>>
>>>>> I used to like KNode but that's history now. Usenet gets no respect in
>>>>> KDE.
>>>>
>>>> My philosophy is to use the best, the latest, up-to-date, user-
>>>> friendly software for a given purpose.  It's pretty simple, other than
>>>> Usenapp for macOS, Forte Agent stands as a flagship GUI NNTP client,
>>>> native to Windows API but usable under Wine.  There's just no good
>>>> reason to put up with something less than.
>>>
>>> I've seen editor wars, and OS wars, but this is the first time
>>> I've seen some Usenet rando try to start a newsreader war.
>>
>> I use slrn. All other newsreaders suck ass.
>> I use mutt. All other email clients suck ass.
>>
>> I should add this:
>>
>>      ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
> 
> Oh yeah?  Well:
> 
> I fly spaceships in Elite Dangerous Odyssey.  All other games suck!
> 
doom was a game , heretic was a game , then there were no games any more

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#686054

On 2025-02-16, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
> vallor wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 07:50:02 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
>> wrote in <vosmtq$jcde$1@dont-email.me>:
>> 
>>> vallor wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 23:48:30 -0500, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> <47r2rjl9jlr629og8qceqp8fgfhtmh5sv8@4ax.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> This would be why I use Forte Agent under Wine, why settle for hobbyware
>>>>>>> BS like Pan?  Unix-like has terrific NNTP clients running in terminal,
>>>>>>> but I have yet to see a GUI one worth anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pan works for me. If I want to run Windows stuff, I'll fire up the Windows
>>>>>> laptop. It's been a while but iirc I have usenet set up in Thunderbird on
>>>>>> Windows. It got weird on Linux and I switched to Pan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I used to like KNode but that's history now. Usenet gets no respect in
>>>>>> KDE.
>>>>>
>>>>> My philosophy is to use the best, the latest, up-to-date, user-
>>>>> friendly software for a given purpose.  It's pretty simple, other than
>>>>> Usenapp for macOS, Forte Agent stands as a flagship GUI NNTP client,
>>>>> native to Windows API but usable under Wine.  There's just no good
>>>>> reason to put up with something less than.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen editor wars, and OS wars, but this is the first time
>>>> I've seen some Usenet rando try to start a newsreader war.
>>>
>>> I use slrn. All other newsreaders suck ass.
>>> I use mutt. All other email clients suck ass.
>>>
>>> I should add this:
>>>
>>>      ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
>> 
>> Oh yeah?  Well:
>> 
>> I fly spaceships in Elite Dangerous Odyssey.  All other games suck!
>> 
> doom was a game , heretic was a game , then there were no games any more

Goat Simulator 3.

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#686056

Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:
> On 2025-02-16, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
>> vallor wrote:
>>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 07:50:02 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
>>> wrote in <vosmtq$jcde$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> vallor wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 23:48:30 -0500, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> <47r2rjl9jlr629og8qceqp8fgfhtmh5sv8@4ax.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This would be why I use Forte Agent under Wine, why settle for hobbyware
>>>>>>>> BS like Pan?  Unix-like has terrific NNTP clients running in terminal,
>>>>>>>> but I have yet to see a GUI one worth anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pan works for me. If I want to run Windows stuff, I'll fire up the Windows
>>>>>>> laptop. It's been a while but iirc I have usenet set up in Thunderbird on
>>>>>>> Windows. It got weird on Linux and I switched to Pan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I used to like KNode but that's history now. Usenet gets no respect in
>>>>>>> KDE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My philosophy is to use the best, the latest, up-to-date, user-
>>>>>> friendly software for a given purpose.  It's pretty simple, other than
>>>>>> Usenapp for macOS, Forte Agent stands as a flagship GUI NNTP client,
>>>>>> native to Windows API but usable under Wine.  There's just no good
>>>>>> reason to put up with something less than.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've seen editor wars, and OS wars, but this is the first time
>>>>> I've seen some Usenet rando try to start a newsreader war.
>>>>
>>>> I use slrn. All other newsreaders suck ass.
>>>> I use mutt. All other email clients suck ass.
>>>>
>>>> I should add this:
>>>>
>>>>       ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
>>>
>>> Oh yeah?  Well:
>>>
>>> I fly spaceships in Elite Dangerous Odyssey.  All other games suck!
>>>
>> doom was a game , heretic was a game , then there were no games any more
> 
> Goat Simulator 3.
> 
i'm afraid you are off topic

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