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| First post | 2025-02-08 08:49 +0000 |
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Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 08:49 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 08:01 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-08 09:11 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 15:40 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-08 11:05 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 17:07 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-09 08:22 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-09 20:03 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-10 07:54 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-10 10:27 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-11 06:23 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-11 08:51 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 20:49 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-11 19:47 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 03:09 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-12 09:02 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 19:12 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-12 19:03 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-13 06:44 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-13 07:27 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-13 08:43 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-14 07:44 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-14 09:04 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-14 00:52 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-14 09:00 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-14 22:21 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-14 18:53 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-15 06:53 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-15 05:41 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-16 00:10 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-12 06:27 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 06:47 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-12 00:33 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-11 19:43 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-11 19:50 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-12 02:54 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-12 06:38 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-02-11 20:39 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-12 04:33 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-15 11:27 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-15 21:08 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-15 22:03 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 00:46 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 04:07 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-16 09:01 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 03:53 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-16 09:04 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-15 19:32 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 04:10 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-16 09:06 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-15 21:26 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-15 22:36 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-16 00:09 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-16 08:49 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 00:36 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-16 01:36 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 03:46 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-16 02:09 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-15 21:13 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 04:01 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-15 23:39 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-16 08:40 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-17 05:29 +0000
(more on) Pan (was: Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-17 11:34 +0000
Re: (more on) Pan (was: Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-17 19:03 +0000
Re: (more on) Pan snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-17 19:33 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-17 07:13 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-17 21:47 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 04:18 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-15 23:48 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 05:32 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 00:39 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 08:14 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 04:10 -0500
Agent isn't open source. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 12:39 +0000
Re: Agent isn't open source. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 05:47 -0700
Re: Agent isn't open source. Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-16 13:11 +0000
Re: Agent isn't open source. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 06:18 -0700
Re: Agent isn't open source. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-17 06:17 +0000
Re: Agent isn't open source. Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-16 13:20 +0000
Linux and Pan are open source (was: Re: Agent isn't open source.) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 14:56 +0000
Re: Agent isn't open source. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 07:48 -0500
Re: Agent isn't open source. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-02-16 07:56 -0500
Re: Agent isn't open source. candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-03-10 18:00 +0000
Re: Agent isn't open source. snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-16 13:13 +0000
Re: Agent isn't open source. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 13:22 +0000
Re: Agent isn't open source. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 06:33 -0700
[OT] Ice cream (was: Re: Agent isn't open source.) snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-16 13:37 +0000
Re: [OT] Ice cream % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 06:38 -0700
Re: [OT] Ice cream (was: Re: Agent isn't open source.) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 14:14 +0000
Re: [OT] Ice cream snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-16 14:37 +0000
Re: [OT] Ice cream (was: Re: Agent isn't open source.) chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-16 20:32 -0600
Re: [OT] Ice cream (was: Re: Agent isn't open source.) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-17 05:20 +0000
Re: [OT] Ice cream Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 11:47 -0600
Re: Agent isn't open source. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-16 07:53 -0600
Re: Agent isn't open source. Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 15:14 -0600
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-02-16 07:50 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 13:17 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 06:20 -0700
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-02-16 13:27 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 06:32 -0700
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-02-16 13:42 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-16 13:28 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 19:52 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-16 08:44 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-03-10 18:10 +0000
Pan (was: Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 03:56 +0000
Re: Pan (was: Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again) pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-16 04:39 +0000
Re: Pan (was: Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 04:59 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-12 06:24 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-12 09:04 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 19:16 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-12 19:07 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-13 06:41 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-13 08:42 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 21:23 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-14 07:43 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-14 09:03 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-14 21:09 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-14 18:51 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-15 00:38 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-15 14:18 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-15 12:39 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-15 21:18 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-15 19:36 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 04:12 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 08:51 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 08:50 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-16 08:46 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-14 20:45 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-14 21:43 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-15 00:28 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 04:19 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-10 18:30 +0000
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-15 23:39 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <daq2rjpeallnoaqajt8sq9l08or5lge77v@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #686007 |
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: >> I use Forte Agent under Wine, why settle for >> hobbyware BS like Pan? Unix-like has terrific NNTP clients running in >> terminal, but I have yet to see a GUI one worth anything. > >Pan is not "hobbyware", any more than the Linux kernel is. Uh, no. The kernel is what's making this work, it's professionally coded, Pan is just a fucking app, and is inferior to Forte Agent in every respect. >It's also under continuous development. The last Forte Agent >was released over 10 years ago. Get a clue, noob. Agent 8 is the last version because there's nothing else to do with it, it's complete for all time. It's perfection. If you want the best GUI newsreader, it stands alone as that*. But feel free to think using Pan is so terrific just because it's FOSS and native to the platform, I don't give two craps about using Wine, it's a great resource for a purpose like this, giving me the use of the one Windows app I would have a hard time living without. * The Usenapp app for macOS is likely equally good, I have never had the experience of it. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 08:40 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <UUlsP.61663$JM7f.56314@fx48.iad> |
| In reply to | #686007 |
On 2025-02-15 11:01 p.m., vallor wrote: > On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 21:13:48 -0500, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in > <0bi2rjtfpg16d2fmbfbjkn4hn2nmqoobji@4ax.com>: > >> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote: >>> On 2025-02-16, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: >>>> On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 21:26:02 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vor0pa$6uru$1@dont-email.me>: >>>>> On 15 Feb 2025 11:27:36 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Nobody want to install something from source anymore. >>>>> >>>>> That’s why most distros offer prebuilt binaries. >>>> >>>> Pssst...time for a git pull on your pan repo. ;) >>>> >>> I still cannot get pan working under MX Linux. >>> It installs from the repo fine, brings down messages fine >>> but if I try to reply to a message it tosses an error something >>> like message not found. >>> >>> I'm probably messing up the specifics as it's been a while but still >>> it does not work. >> >> >> This would be why I use Forte Agent under Wine, why settle for >> hobbyware BS like Pan? Unix-like has terrific NNTP clients running in >> terminal, but I have yet to see a GUI one worth anything. > > Pan is not "hobbyware", any more than the Linux kernel is. The application is clearly hobbyware. The people behind it can't even be bothered to fix the interface and take it out of mid-1990s. It looks like Shareware made for the soon-to-be-released Windows 95. > It's also under continuous development. The last Forte Agent > was released over 10 years ago. Get a clue, noob. Perhaps the software is perfect and doesn't need bug fixes. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage/ Gab: @CrudeSausage Telegram: @CrudeSausage
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-17 05:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vouhgj$10vfr$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #686061 |
On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 08:40:02 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: > The people behind it can't even be bothered to fix the interface and > take it out of mid-1990s. Form wins over function, eh? Never mind what the software *does*, what matters is how it *looks*.
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2025-02-17 11:34 +0000 |
| Subject | (more on) Pan (was: Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again) |
| Message-ID | <m1gl5gFe75qU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #686129 |
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 05:29:55 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vouhgj$10vfr$2@dont-email.me>: > On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 08:40:02 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> The people behind it can't even be bothered to fix the interface and >> take it out of mid-1990s. > > Form wins over function, eh? Never mind what the software *does*, what > matters is how it *looks*. (I had to look in the snubbery to see what software was being referred to.) Pan looks like a gtk+3 application. That's because: it's a gtk+3 application. (Sigmonster was completely random...) -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.14.0-rc3 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G "Using yesterday's technology to solve today's problems, tomorrow"
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-17 19:03 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: (more on) Pan (was: Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again) |
| Message-ID | <m1hfg6Fi870U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #686134 |
On 17 Feb 2025 11:34:08 GMT, vallor wrote: > On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 05:29:55 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro > <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vouhgj$10vfr$2@dont-email.me>: > >> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 08:40:02 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> The people behind it can't even be bothered to fix the interface and >>> take it out of mid-1990s. >> >> Form wins over function, eh? Never mind what the software *does*, what >> matters is how it *looks*. > > (I had to look in the snubbery to see what software was being referred > to.) > > Pan looks like a gtk+3 application. > > That's because: it's a gtk+3 application. Funny thing about that... It also looks a lot like Thunderbird, both the Linux and Windows versions, and quite a few other things.
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| From | snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) |
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| Date | 2025-02-17 19:33 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: (more on) Pan |
| Message-ID | <1r7wze8.1u1dira1ci6htqN%snipeco.2@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #686174 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On 17 Feb 2025 11:34:08 GMT, vallor wrote: > > > On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 05:29:55 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro > > <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vouhgj$10vfr$2@dont-email.me>: > > > >> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 08:40:02 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> > >>> The people behind it can't even be bothered to fix the interface and > >>> take it out of mid-1990s. > >> > >> Form wins over function, eh? Never mind what the software *does*, what > >> matters is how it *looks*. > > > > (I had to look in the snubbery to see what software was being referred > > to.) > > > > Pan looks like a gtk+3 application. > > > > That's because: it's a gtk+3 application. > > Funny thing about that... It also looks a lot like Thunderbird, both the > Linux and Windows versions, and quite a few other things. I used the original Pan 20+ years ago, I think it predates T'bird. Current Pan is a rewrite from the bottom up. -- ^Ï^. Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS My pet rock Gordon just is.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-02-17 07:13 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <LJFsP.349052$ahU8.127965@fx11.iad> |
| In reply to | #686129 |
On 2025-02-17 12:29 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 08:40:02 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> The people behind it can't even be bothered to fix the interface and >> take it out of mid-1990s. > > Form wins over function, eh? Never mind what the software *does*, what > matters is how it *looks*. It *does* a poor job of filtering posts. It *does* a poor job of being intuitive to the user. It *does* a poor job of avoiding graphical glitches. That's what it *does*. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage/ Gab: @CrudeSausage Telegram: @CrudeSausage John 14:6
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-17 21:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vp0ap5$1asp1$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #686139 |
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 07:13:31 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 2025-02-17 12:29 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 08:40:02 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> The people behind it can't even be bothered to fix the interface and >>> take it out of mid-1990s. >> >> Form wins over function, eh? Never mind what the software *does*, what >> matters is how it *looks*. > > It *does* a poor job of filtering posts. Why did you not mention that up front? why was it the first thing that came to your mind was something as trivial as its conformance (or not) to prevailing UI fashions? Like I said, it seems that the actual functionality of the software manages at best a poor second to how it looks.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 04:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m1d77sFs8jmU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #685997 |
On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 21:13:48 -0500, Joel wrote: > This would be why I use Forte Agent under Wine, why settle for hobbyware > BS like Pan? Unix-like has terrific NNTP clients running in terminal, > but I have yet to see a GUI one worth anything. Pan works for me. If I want to run Windows stuff, I'll fire up the Windows laptop. It's been a while but iirc I have usenet set up in Thunderbird on Windows. It got weird on Linux and I switched to Pan. I used to like KNode but that's history now. Usenet gets no respect in KDE.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-15 23:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <47r2rjl9jlr629og8qceqp8fgfhtmh5sv8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #686011 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> This would be why I use Forte Agent under Wine, why settle for hobbyware >> BS like Pan? Unix-like has terrific NNTP clients running in terminal, >> but I have yet to see a GUI one worth anything. > >Pan works for me. If I want to run Windows stuff, I'll fire up the Windows >laptop. It's been a while but iirc I have usenet set up in Thunderbird on >Windows. It got weird on Linux and I switched to Pan. > >I used to like KNode but that's history now. Usenet gets no respect in >KDE. My philosophy is to use the best, the latest, up-to-date, user- friendly software for a given purpose. It's pretty simple, other than Usenapp for macOS, Forte Agent stands as a flagship GUI NNTP client, native to Windows API but usable under Wine. There's just no good reason to put up with something less than. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 05:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m1dbjnFqf8iU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #686016 |
On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 23:48:30 -0500, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in <47r2rjl9jlr629og8qceqp8fgfhtmh5sv8@4ax.com>: > rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >>> This would be why I use Forte Agent under Wine, why settle for hobbyware >>> BS like Pan? Unix-like has terrific NNTP clients running in terminal, >>> but I have yet to see a GUI one worth anything. >> >>Pan works for me. If I want to run Windows stuff, I'll fire up the Windows >>laptop. It's been a while but iirc I have usenet set up in Thunderbird on >>Windows. It got weird on Linux and I switched to Pan. >> >>I used to like KNode but that's history now. Usenet gets no respect in >>KDE. > > > My philosophy is to use the best, the latest, up-to-date, user- > friendly software for a given purpose. It's pretty simple, other than > Usenapp for macOS, Forte Agent stands as a flagship GUI NNTP client, > native to Windows API but usable under Wine. There's just no good > reason to put up with something less than. I've seen editor wars, and OS wars, but this is the first time I've seen some Usenet rando try to start a newsreader war. -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.14.0-rc2 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G "A cat is always on the wrong side of a door."
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 00:39 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ccu2rjl4i8r4fn8pfmcgjigen1svjreq9a@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #686019 |
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: >On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 23:48:30 -0500, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in ><47r2rjl9jlr629og8qceqp8fgfhtmh5sv8@4ax.com>: >> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> >>>> This would be why I use Forte Agent under Wine, why settle for hobbyware >>>> BS like Pan? Unix-like has terrific NNTP clients running in terminal, >>>> but I have yet to see a GUI one worth anything. >>> >>>Pan works for me. If I want to run Windows stuff, I'll fire up the Windows >>>laptop. It's been a while but iirc I have usenet set up in Thunderbird on >>>Windows. It got weird on Linux and I switched to Pan. >>> >>>I used to like KNode but that's history now. Usenet gets no respect in >>>KDE. >> >> My philosophy is to use the best, the latest, up-to-date, user- >> friendly software for a given purpose. It's pretty simple, other than >> Usenapp for macOS, Forte Agent stands as a flagship GUI NNTP client, >> native to Windows API but usable under Wine. There's just no good >> reason to put up with something less than. > >I've seen editor wars, and OS wars, but this is the first time >I've seen some Usenet rando try to start a newsreader war. "Usenet rando"? Are you drinking, or something? I'm speaking objectively, there are a finite number of known NNTP clients in the universe, Agent stands out among them. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 08:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m1dl2dF6tuU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #686020 |
On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 00:39:41 -0500, Joel wrote: > "Usenet rando"? Are you drinking, or something? I'm speaking > objectively, there are a finite number of known NNTP clients in the > universe, Agent stands out among them. I won't even ask what makes it so spectacular. I've never used it and have no desire to. Pan does what I need.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 04:10 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <g1a3rj12ds18vrnoepvuisikjifl6svqbg@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #686021 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> there are a finite number of known NNTP clients in the >> universe, Agent stands out among them. > >I won't even ask what makes it so spectacular. I've never used it and have >no desire to. Pan does what I need. Agent is a commercial app, fully featured, giving one a GUI interface to Usenet. It allows me to efficiently, professionally deal with the NGs. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 12:39 +0000 |
| Subject | Agent isn't open source. |
| Message-ID | <m1e4jqF1mjhU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #686030 |
On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 04:10:14 -0500, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in <g1a3rj12ds18vrnoepvuisikjifl6svqbg@4ax.com>: > rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >>> there are a finite number of known NNTP clients in the >>> universe, Agent stands out among them. >> >>I won't even ask what makes it so spectacular. I've never used it and have >>no desire to. Pan does what I need. > > > Agent is a commercial app, fully featured, giving one a GUI interface > to Usenet. It allows me to efficiently, professionally deal with the > NGs. Riiiiight. Let's take an example: how many news servers can you configure it to use? (I have three set up in Pan.) Meanwhile, your "commercial app" isn't open source, and isn't even being maintained anymore -- not for 10 years! Booo! Besides: Gravity is better. But all this is moot. We might as well be discussing the "one true ice cream". Different people have different preferences. That's what makes Unix so nice: choice. -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.14.0-rc2 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G "Use The Source, Luke!"
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| From | % <pursent100@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 05:47 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Agent isn't open source. |
| Message-ID | <C9KdnRHi1MTPQyz6nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #686040 |
vallor wrote: > On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 04:10:14 -0500, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in > <g1a3rj12ds18vrnoepvuisikjifl6svqbg@4ax.com>: > >> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> >>>> there are a finite number of known NNTP clients in the >>>> universe, Agent stands out among them. >>> >>> I won't even ask what makes it so spectacular. I've never used it and have >>> no desire to. Pan does what I need. >> >> >> Agent is a commercial app, fully featured, giving one a GUI interface >> to Usenet. It allows me to efficiently, professionally deal with the >> NGs. > > Riiiiight. > > Let's take an example: how many news servers can you configure > it to use? (I have three set up in Pan.) > > Meanwhile, your "commercial app" isn't open source, and isn't > even being maintained anymore -- not for 10 years! Booo! > > Besides: Gravity is better. > > But all this is moot. We might as well be discussing the > "one true ice cream". Different people have different > preferences. That's what makes Unix so nice: choice. > everyone on unix is always stuck fixing something , i haven't got time to figure out , if my ubuntu goes woo woo , i deleted everything except , the stuff i need to post with
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| From | Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 13:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Agent isn't open source. |
| Message-ID | <67b1e3e6$0$12948$426a74cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #686042 |
Le 16-02-2025, % <pursent100@gmail.com> a écrit : > everyone on unix is always stuck fixing something , I don't. -- Si vous avez du temps à perdre : https://scarpet42.gitlab.io
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| From | % <pursent100@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 06:18 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Agent isn't open source. |
| Message-ID | <-tKcnYeF9bQxeCz6nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #686047 |
Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: > Le 16-02-2025, % <pursent100@gmail.com> a écrit : >> everyone on unix is always stuck fixing something , > > I don't. > you should
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-17 06:17 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Agent isn't open source. |
| Message-ID | <vouka6$11d95$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #686050 |
On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 06:18:31 -0700, % wrote: > Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: >> >> Le 16-02-2025, % <pursent100@gmail.com> a écrit : >>> >>> everyone on unix is always stuck fixing something , >> >> I don't. >> > you should You’re saying he should make something go wrong, just so he has something to fix?
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| From | Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 13:20 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Agent isn't open source. |
| Message-ID | <67b1e603$0$29708$426a74cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #686047 |
Le 16-02-2025, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> a écrit : > Le 16-02-2025, % <pursent100@gmail.com> a écrit : >> everyone on unix is always stuck fixing something , > > I don't. Well, the last time I was fixing something it was someone else's ubuntu a few weeks ago. This person did an upgrade and stop in the middle because it took too long. And came saying: it doesn't run anymore. Well, I was not surprised things weren't running smoothly, but I was impressed by ubuntu's improvement. It was pretty easy to switch from the error message to the command line, to connect and to run the update again. A few years ago, when you killed the upgrade process, the only way was to install ubuntu from scratch. -- Si vous avez du temps à perdre : https://scarpet42.gitlab.io
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