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Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 08:49 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 08:01 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-08 09:11 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 15:40 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-08 11:05 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 17:07 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-09 08:22 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-09 20:03 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-10 07:54 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-10 10:27 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-11 06:23 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-11 08:51 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 20:49 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-11 19:47 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 03:09 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-12 09:02 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 19:12 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-12 19:03 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-13 06:44 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-13 07:27 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-13 08:43 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-14 07:44 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-14 09:04 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-14 00:52 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-14 09:00 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-14 22:21 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-14 18:53 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-15 06:53 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-15 05:41 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-16 00:10 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-12 06:27 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 06:47 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-12 00:33 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-11 19:43 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-11 19:50 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-12 02:54 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-12 06:38 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-02-11 20:39 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-12 04:33 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-15 11:27 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-15 21:08 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-15 22:03 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 00:46 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 04:07 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-16 09:01 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 03:53 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-16 09:04 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-15 19:32 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 04:10 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-16 09:06 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-15 21:26 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-15 22:36 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-16 00:09 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-16 08:49 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 00:36 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-16 01:36 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 03:46 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-16 02:09 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-15 21:13 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 04:01 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-15 23:39 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-16 08:40 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-17 05:29 +0000
(more on) Pan (was: Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-17 11:34 +0000
Re: (more on) Pan (was: Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-17 19:03 +0000
Re: (more on) Pan snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-17 19:33 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-17 07:13 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-17 21:47 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 04:18 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-15 23:48 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 05:32 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 00:39 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 08:14 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 04:10 -0500
Agent isn't open source. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 12:39 +0000
Re: Agent isn't open source. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 05:47 -0700
Re: Agent isn't open source. Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-16 13:11 +0000
Re: Agent isn't open source. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 06:18 -0700
Re: Agent isn't open source. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-17 06:17 +0000
Re: Agent isn't open source. Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-16 13:20 +0000
Linux and Pan are open source (was: Re: Agent isn't open source.) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 14:56 +0000
Re: Agent isn't open source. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 07:48 -0500
Re: Agent isn't open source. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-02-16 07:56 -0500
Re: Agent isn't open source. snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-16 13:13 +0000
Re: Agent isn't open source. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 13:22 +0000
Re: Agent isn't open source. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 06:33 -0700
[OT] Ice cream (was: Re: Agent isn't open source.) snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-16 13:37 +0000
Re: [OT] Ice cream % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 06:38 -0700
Re: [OT] Ice cream (was: Re: Agent isn't open source.) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 14:14 +0000
Re: [OT] Ice cream snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-16 14:37 +0000
Re: [OT] Ice cream (was: Re: Agent isn't open source.) chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-16 20:32 -0600
Re: [OT] Ice cream (was: Re: Agent isn't open source.) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-17 05:20 +0000
Re: [OT] Ice cream Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 11:47 -0600
Re: Agent isn't open source. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-16 07:53 -0600
Re: Agent isn't open source. Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 15:14 -0600
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-02-16 07:50 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 13:17 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 06:20 -0700
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-02-16 13:27 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 06:32 -0700
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-02-16 13:42 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-02-16 13:28 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 19:52 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-16 08:44 -0500
Pan (was: Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 03:56 +0000
Re: Pan (was: Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again) pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-16 04:39 +0000
Re: Pan (was: Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 04:59 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-12 06:24 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-12 09:04 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 19:16 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-12 19:07 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-13 06:41 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-13 08:42 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 21:23 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-14 07:43 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-14 09:03 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-14 21:09 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-14 18:51 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-15 00:38 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-15 14:18 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-15 12:39 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-15 21:18 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-15 19:36 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 04:12 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 08:51 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 08:50 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-16 08:46 -0500
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-14 20:45 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-14 21:43 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-15 00:28 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-16 04:19 +0000
Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-10 18:30 +0000
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-08 08:49 +0000 |
| Subject | Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again |
| Message-ID | <vo75q5$3vki0$1@dont-email.me> |
I guess checking the battery capacity is the last thing my Latitude 5300
will ever do on Windows 11. When I exited it did a small update. When I
rebooted after the update it wanted to do a disk check (and I stupidly let
it do so). After doing that and rebooting it ran into a BSOD ("we ran into a
problem"). It then wants to run diagnostics, attempts a repair and... we
start the whole loop all over again. (I tried this about six times and
finally told myself, "well, enough of that bullshit.")
Adios WinCrap 11. the space can better be used by Linux Mint anyhow (which
still boots fine). Another computer that will be completely freed from
Windows.
--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-08 08:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <jaleqj5k1mi1q26jle870qkt890894olod@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #685331 |
RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>I guess checking the battery capacity is the last thing my Latitude 5300
>will ever do on Windows 11. When I exited it did a small update. When I
>rebooted after the update it wanted to do a disk check (and I stupidly let
>it do so). After doing that and rebooting it ran into a BSOD ("we ran into a
>problem"). It then wants to run diagnostics, attempts a repair and... we
>start the whole loop all over again. (I tried this about six times and
>finally told myself, "well, enough of that bullshit.")
>
>Adios WinCrap 11. the space can better be used by Linux Mint anyhow (which
>still boots fine). Another computer that will be completely freed from
>Windows.
That's an eighth-gen Intel CPU, pretty minimal for bloated Win11, but
then this may have just been M$ crapware crapping out, rather than a
hardware insufficiency.
--
Joel W. Crump
Amendment XIV
Section 1.
[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.
Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-02-08 09:11 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <zCJpP.39$EyH6.1@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #685331 |
On 2025-02-08 3:49 a.m., RonB wrote:
> I guess checking the battery capacity is the last thing my Latitude 5300
> will ever do on Windows 11. When I exited it did a small update. When I
> rebooted after the update it wanted to do a disk check (and I stupidly let
> it do so). After doing that and rebooting it ran into a BSOD ("we ran into a
> problem"). It then wants to run diagnostics, attempts a repair and... we
> start the whole loop all over again. (I tried this about six times and
> finally told myself, "well, enough of that bullshit.")
>
> Adios WinCrap 11. the space can better be used by Linux Mint anyhow (which
> still boots fine). Another computer that will be completely freed from
> Windows.
I would be lying if I said that it never happened to me before.
--
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Telegram: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-08 15:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vo7ttl$3nof$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #685344 |
On 2025-02-08, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-02-08 3:49 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> I guess checking the battery capacity is the last thing my Latitude 5300
>> will ever do on Windows 11. When I exited it did a small update. When I
>> rebooted after the update it wanted to do a disk check (and I stupidly let
>> it do so). After doing that and rebooting it ran into a BSOD ("we ran into a
>> problem"). It then wants to run diagnostics, attempts a repair and... we
>> start the whole loop all over again. (I tried this about six times and
>> finally told myself, "well, enough of that bullshit.")
>>
>> Adios WinCrap 11. the space can better be used by Linux Mint anyhow (which
>> still boots fine). Another computer that will be completely freed from
>> Windows.
>
> I would be lying if I said that it never happened to me before.
I was beginning to think Windows 11 was fairly solid. This surprised me. I
don't why, but I had a bad feeling when I let it do a "disk check." I was
more worried that Windows would trash my Linux grub setup for booting,
though, I didn't think it would trash itself.
I went ahead and deleted the Windows partitions with GParted and installed
Debian 12 in its place. I'm experimenting with creating .deb packages for
Trelby (which I found isn't that hard to do) so it'll be nice to have a
Debian install for testing purposes. (Linux Mint is more like Ubuntu and
Debian and LM are actually different enough that I have to test both.)
Speaking of Ubuntu, I've come to despise it and it's damn Snaps. I found out
that the Snap version of Firefox refuses to read .html files if they're not
in the home (and/or, I suppose, the Snap) directory. The documentation for
Trelby can't be read by it (installed in its normal directory). When I
uninstall the Snap version of Firefox, it won't allow me to install the .deb
version. They're definitely turning into control freaks at Ubuntu (kind of
like Windows and Mac OS).
--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-02-08 11:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <qhLpP.67094$za5e.59176@fx09.iad> |
| In reply to | #685349 |
On 2025-02-08 10:40 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2025-02-08, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-02-08 3:49 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> I guess checking the battery capacity is the last thing my Latitude 5300
>>> will ever do on Windows 11. When I exited it did a small update. When I
>>> rebooted after the update it wanted to do a disk check (and I stupidly let
>>> it do so). After doing that and rebooting it ran into a BSOD ("we ran into a
>>> problem"). It then wants to run diagnostics, attempts a repair and... we
>>> start the whole loop all over again. (I tried this about six times and
>>> finally told myself, "well, enough of that bullshit.")
>>>
>>> Adios WinCrap 11. the space can better be used by Linux Mint anyhow (which
>>> still boots fine). Another computer that will be completely freed from
>>> Windows.
>>
>> I would be lying if I said that it never happened to me before.
>
> I was beginning to think Windows 11 was fairly solid. This surprised me. I
> don't why, but I had a bad feeling when I let it do a "disk check." I was
> more worried that Windows would trash my Linux grub setup for booting,
> though, I didn't think it would trash itself.
>
> I went ahead and deleted the Windows partitions with GParted and installed
> Debian 12 in its place. I'm experimenting with creating .deb packages for
> Trelby (which I found isn't that hard to do) so it'll be nice to have a
> Debian install for testing purposes. (Linux Mint is more like Ubuntu and
> Debian and LM are actually different enough that I have to test both.)
>
> Speaking of Ubuntu, I've come to despise it and it's damn Snaps. I found out
> that the Snap version of Firefox refuses to read .html files if they're not
> in the home (and/or, I suppose, the Snap) directory. The documentation for
> Trelby can't be read by it (installed in its normal directory). When I
> uninstall the Snap version of Firefox, it won't allow me to install the .deb
> version. They're definitely turning into control freaks at Ubuntu (kind of
> like Windows and Mac OS).
I'm not a fan of Flatpak or Snap anymore and see them both as something
to use if you don't have a choice. I like the theory behind both, but
they often ignore your theme, take longer to load or have trouble
integrating with the rest of the system. If I absolutely had to go for
one or the other though, I would choose Flatpak even though Snap is
theoretically superior.
--
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Telegram: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-08 17:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vo830p$4ntj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #685356 |
On 2025-02-08, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-02-08 10:40 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-02-08, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2025-02-08 3:49 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> I guess checking the battery capacity is the last thing my Latitude 5300
>>>> will ever do on Windows 11. When I exited it did a small update. When I
>>>> rebooted after the update it wanted to do a disk check (and I stupidly let
>>>> it do so). After doing that and rebooting it ran into a BSOD ("we ran into a
>>>> problem"). It then wants to run diagnostics, attempts a repair and... we
>>>> start the whole loop all over again. (I tried this about six times and
>>>> finally told myself, "well, enough of that bullshit.")
>>>>
>>>> Adios WinCrap 11. the space can better be used by Linux Mint anyhow (which
>>>> still boots fine). Another computer that will be completely freed from
>>>> Windows.
>>>
>>> I would be lying if I said that it never happened to me before.
>>
>> I was beginning to think Windows 11 was fairly solid. This surprised me. I
>> don't why, but I had a bad feeling when I let it do a "disk check." I was
>> more worried that Windows would trash my Linux grub setup for booting,
>> though, I didn't think it would trash itself.
>>
>> I went ahead and deleted the Windows partitions with GParted and installed
>> Debian 12 in its place. I'm experimenting with creating .deb packages for
>> Trelby (which I found isn't that hard to do) so it'll be nice to have a
>> Debian install for testing purposes. (Linux Mint is more like Ubuntu and
>> Debian and LM are actually different enough that I have to test both.)
>>
>> Speaking of Ubuntu, I've come to despise it and it's damn Snaps. I found out
>> that the Snap version of Firefox refuses to read .html files if they're not
>> in the home (and/or, I suppose, the Snap) directory. The documentation for
>> Trelby can't be read by it (installed in its normal directory). When I
>> uninstall the Snap version of Firefox, it won't allow me to install the .deb
>> version. They're definitely turning into control freaks at Ubuntu (kind of
>> like Windows and Mac OS).
>
> I'm not a fan of Flatpak or Snap anymore and see them both as something
> to use if you don't have a choice. I like the theory behind both, but
> they often ignore your theme, take longer to load or have trouble
> integrating with the rest of the system. If I absolutely had to go for
> one or the other though, I would choose Flatpak even though Snap is
> theoretically superior.
I don't like Snaps at all. I do tolerate FlatPaks (and use a few of them)
but if I knew how to make AppImages that's what I would prefer for Trelby.
And it's not Snaps I really dislike, it's Ubuntu forcing them on you.
There's other things I don't like about Ubuntu. It would definitely not be
in my top 20 list.
--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-02-09 08:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <f_1qP.80552$YsRf.33634@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #685363 |
On 2025-02-08 12:07 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2025-02-08, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-02-08 10:40 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2025-02-08, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2025-02-08 3:49 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>> I guess checking the battery capacity is the last thing my Latitude 5300
>>>>> will ever do on Windows 11. When I exited it did a small update. When I
>>>>> rebooted after the update it wanted to do a disk check (and I stupidly let
>>>>> it do so). After doing that and rebooting it ran into a BSOD ("we ran into a
>>>>> problem"). It then wants to run diagnostics, attempts a repair and... we
>>>>> start the whole loop all over again. (I tried this about six times and
>>>>> finally told myself, "well, enough of that bullshit.")
>>>>>
>>>>> Adios WinCrap 11. the space can better be used by Linux Mint anyhow (which
>>>>> still boots fine). Another computer that will be completely freed from
>>>>> Windows.
>>>>
>>>> I would be lying if I said that it never happened to me before.
>>>
>>> I was beginning to think Windows 11 was fairly solid. This surprised me. I
>>> don't why, but I had a bad feeling when I let it do a "disk check." I was
>>> more worried that Windows would trash my Linux grub setup for booting,
>>> though, I didn't think it would trash itself.
>>>
>>> I went ahead and deleted the Windows partitions with GParted and installed
>>> Debian 12 in its place. I'm experimenting with creating .deb packages for
>>> Trelby (which I found isn't that hard to do) so it'll be nice to have a
>>> Debian install for testing purposes. (Linux Mint is more like Ubuntu and
>>> Debian and LM are actually different enough that I have to test both.)
>>>
>>> Speaking of Ubuntu, I've come to despise it and it's damn Snaps. I found out
>>> that the Snap version of Firefox refuses to read .html files if they're not
>>> in the home (and/or, I suppose, the Snap) directory. The documentation for
>>> Trelby can't be read by it (installed in its normal directory). When I
>>> uninstall the Snap version of Firefox, it won't allow me to install the .deb
>>> version. They're definitely turning into control freaks at Ubuntu (kind of
>>> like Windows and Mac OS).
>>
>> I'm not a fan of Flatpak or Snap anymore and see them both as something
>> to use if you don't have a choice. I like the theory behind both, but
>> they often ignore your theme, take longer to load or have trouble
>> integrating with the rest of the system. If I absolutely had to go for
>> one or the other though, I would choose Flatpak even though Snap is
>> theoretically superior.
>
> I don't like Snaps at all. I do tolerate FlatPaks (and use a few of them)
> but if I knew how to make AppImages that's what I would prefer for Trelby.
>
> And it's not Snaps I really dislike, it's Ubuntu forcing them on you.
> There's other things I don't like about Ubuntu. It would definitely not be
> in my top 20 list.
I have to admit that during the short period of time during which I used
Ubuntu recently, I was surprised that just about everything I was
running was a Snap. For security reasons, it made sense (the browser,
the e-mail client), but certain other things would have run just as well
if they were simple .deb files. They want to make Snap a standard, that
much is clear, and they're taking advantage of the distribution's
popularity to do so.
--
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Telegram: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-02-09 20:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m0sg0oF734tU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #685460 |
On Sun, 9 Feb 2025 08:22:19 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: > I have to admit that during the short period of time during which I used > Ubuntu recently, I was surprised that just about everything I was > running was a Snap. For security reasons, it made sense (the browser, > the e-mail client), but certain other things would have run just as well > if they were simple .deb files. They want to make Snap a standard, that > much is clear, and they're taking advantage of the distribution's > popularity to do so. Flatpak, at least on Fedora, isn't quite as aggressive. Some of the snap stuff is surprising. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/new-wikitok-web-app-allows- infinite-tiktok-style-scroll-of-wikipedia/ I cloned the GitHub project. It uses bun which is a snap rather than a .deb. node.js is also a snap. otoh, on Ubuntu the Arduino IDE v2 is an AppImage which doesn't integrate that well. On Fedora it's a flatpak and shows up on the menu as expected. So far I don't have a strong feeling one way or the other. I haven't seen the performance problems some have reported.
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-02-10 07:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vocbbn$1444h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #685460 |
On 2025-02-09, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-02-08 12:07 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-02-08, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2025-02-08 10:40 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2025-02-08, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-02-08 3:49 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>> I guess checking the battery capacity is the last thing my Latitude 5300
>>>>>> will ever do on Windows 11. When I exited it did a small update. When I
>>>>>> rebooted after the update it wanted to do a disk check (and I stupidly let
>>>>>> it do so). After doing that and rebooting it ran into a BSOD ("we ran into a
>>>>>> problem"). It then wants to run diagnostics, attempts a repair and... we
>>>>>> start the whole loop all over again. (I tried this about six times and
>>>>>> finally told myself, "well, enough of that bullshit.")
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adios WinCrap 11. the space can better be used by Linux Mint anyhow (which
>>>>>> still boots fine). Another computer that will be completely freed from
>>>>>> Windows.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be lying if I said that it never happened to me before.
>>>>
>>>> I was beginning to think Windows 11 was fairly solid. This surprised me. I
>>>> don't why, but I had a bad feeling when I let it do a "disk check." I was
>>>> more worried that Windows would trash my Linux grub setup for booting,
>>>> though, I didn't think it would trash itself.
>>>>
>>>> I went ahead and deleted the Windows partitions with GParted and installed
>>>> Debian 12 in its place. I'm experimenting with creating .deb packages for
>>>> Trelby (which I found isn't that hard to do) so it'll be nice to have a
>>>> Debian install for testing purposes. (Linux Mint is more like Ubuntu and
>>>> Debian and LM are actually different enough that I have to test both.)
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of Ubuntu, I've come to despise it and it's damn Snaps. I found out
>>>> that the Snap version of Firefox refuses to read .html files if they're not
>>>> in the home (and/or, I suppose, the Snap) directory. The documentation for
>>>> Trelby can't be read by it (installed in its normal directory). When I
>>>> uninstall the Snap version of Firefox, it won't allow me to install the .deb
>>>> version. They're definitely turning into control freaks at Ubuntu (kind of
>>>> like Windows and Mac OS).
>>>
>>> I'm not a fan of Flatpak or Snap anymore and see them both as something
>>> to use if you don't have a choice. I like the theory behind both, but
>>> they often ignore your theme, take longer to load or have trouble
>>> integrating with the rest of the system. If I absolutely had to go for
>>> one or the other though, I would choose Flatpak even though Snap is
>>> theoretically superior.
>>
>> I don't like Snaps at all. I do tolerate FlatPaks (and use a few of them)
>> but if I knew how to make AppImages that's what I would prefer for Trelby.
>>
>> And it's not Snaps I really dislike, it's Ubuntu forcing them on you.
>> There's other things I don't like about Ubuntu. It would definitely not be
>> in my top 20 list.
>
> I have to admit that during the short period of time during which I used
> Ubuntu recently, I was surprised that just about everything I was
> running was a Snap. For security reasons, it made sense (the browser,
> the e-mail client), but certain other things would have run just as well
> if they were simple .deb files. They want to make Snap a standard, that
> much is clear, and they're taking advantage of the distribution's
> popularity to do so.
I think you're right. I think they're completely sold on the "container"
idea — everything in its own "silo" (or whatever they call it, "sandbox"
maybe). To me that means you lose the advatage of Linux, where small
applications are combined to create bigger applications, in one nice "flow."
This may be a good idea for servers, but I don't think there are other ways
to secure (harden) servers. I don't like it on a personal computer at all.
I think they call these "container" distributions. Fedora has one, CoreOS,
but they keep it separate from their standard install. That's what I wish
Ubuntu would do as, apparently, they have something called Ubuntu Core. Save
the damn Snaps for that. I guess the big one (so far) is Alpine. I don't
know if these use special containers, or Snaps or Flatpaks, or what.
--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-02-10 10:27 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <1WoqP.4088$NgFa.1524@fx46.iad> |
| In reply to | #685542 |
On 2025-02-10 2:54 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2025-02-09, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-02-08 12:07 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2025-02-08, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2025-02-08 10:40 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-02-08, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-02-08 3:49 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>> I guess checking the battery capacity is the last thing my Latitude 5300
>>>>>>> will ever do on Windows 11. When I exited it did a small update. When I
>>>>>>> rebooted after the update it wanted to do a disk check (and I stupidly let
>>>>>>> it do so). After doing that and rebooting it ran into a BSOD ("we ran into a
>>>>>>> problem"). It then wants to run diagnostics, attempts a repair and... we
>>>>>>> start the whole loop all over again. (I tried this about six times and
>>>>>>> finally told myself, "well, enough of that bullshit.")
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adios WinCrap 11. the space can better be used by Linux Mint anyhow (which
>>>>>>> still boots fine). Another computer that will be completely freed from
>>>>>>> Windows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would be lying if I said that it never happened to me before.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was beginning to think Windows 11 was fairly solid. This surprised me. I
>>>>> don't why, but I had a bad feeling when I let it do a "disk check." I was
>>>>> more worried that Windows would trash my Linux grub setup for booting,
>>>>> though, I didn't think it would trash itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> I went ahead and deleted the Windows partitions with GParted and installed
>>>>> Debian 12 in its place. I'm experimenting with creating .deb packages for
>>>>> Trelby (which I found isn't that hard to do) so it'll be nice to have a
>>>>> Debian install for testing purposes. (Linux Mint is more like Ubuntu and
>>>>> Debian and LM are actually different enough that I have to test both.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Speaking of Ubuntu, I've come to despise it and it's damn Snaps. I found out
>>>>> that the Snap version of Firefox refuses to read .html files if they're not
>>>>> in the home (and/or, I suppose, the Snap) directory. The documentation for
>>>>> Trelby can't be read by it (installed in its normal directory). When I
>>>>> uninstall the Snap version of Firefox, it won't allow me to install the .deb
>>>>> version. They're definitely turning into control freaks at Ubuntu (kind of
>>>>> like Windows and Mac OS).
>>>>
>>>> I'm not a fan of Flatpak or Snap anymore and see them both as something
>>>> to use if you don't have a choice. I like the theory behind both, but
>>>> they often ignore your theme, take longer to load or have trouble
>>>> integrating with the rest of the system. If I absolutely had to go for
>>>> one or the other though, I would choose Flatpak even though Snap is
>>>> theoretically superior.
>>>
>>> I don't like Snaps at all. I do tolerate FlatPaks (and use a few of them)
>>> but if I knew how to make AppImages that's what I would prefer for Trelby.
>>>
>>> And it's not Snaps I really dislike, it's Ubuntu forcing them on you.
>>> There's other things I don't like about Ubuntu. It would definitely not be
>>> in my top 20 list.
>>
>> I have to admit that during the short period of time during which I used
>> Ubuntu recently, I was surprised that just about everything I was
>> running was a Snap. For security reasons, it made sense (the browser,
>> the e-mail client), but certain other things would have run just as well
>> if they were simple .deb files. They want to make Snap a standard, that
>> much is clear, and they're taking advantage of the distribution's
>> popularity to do so.
>
> I think you're right. I think they're completely sold on the "container"
> idea — everything in its own "silo" (or whatever they call it, "sandbox"
> maybe). To me that means you lose the advatage of Linux, where small
> applications are combined to create bigger applications, in one nice "flow."
> This may be a good idea for servers, but I don't think there are other ways
> to secure (harden) servers. I don't like it on a personal computer at all.
>
> I think they call these "container" distributions. Fedora has one, CoreOS,
> but they keep it separate from their standard install. That's what I wish
> Ubuntu would do as, apparently, they have something called Ubuntu Core. Save
> the damn Snaps for that. I guess the big one (so far) is Alpine. I don't
> know if these use special containers, or Snaps or Flatpaks, or what.
I have no doubt that taking an all .deb or all .rpm approach might
result in some things breaking along the way. However, there is no doubt
that it's quite secure and much faster than the container approach. When
all the software you're getting is coming out of a repository which has
been checked thoroughly by professionals, and not anywhere on the web,
I'm not sure what the need for contained software is. Granted, Flatpak
and Snap make software which _isn't_ available to a repository available
to your choice of a distribution, and that is definitely an advantage.
Security, however, should not be the main reason for using Snap or Flatpak.
--
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Telegram: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-02-11 06:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <voeqct$1lgc9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #685579 |
On 2025-02-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-02-10 2:54 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-02-09, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2025-02-08 12:07 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2025-02-08, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-02-08 10:40 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-02-08, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-02-08 3:49 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>> I guess checking the battery capacity is the last thing my Latitude 5300
>>>>>>>> will ever do on Windows 11. When I exited it did a small update. When I
>>>>>>>> rebooted after the update it wanted to do a disk check (and I stupidly let
>>>>>>>> it do so). After doing that and rebooting it ran into a BSOD ("we ran into a
>>>>>>>> problem"). It then wants to run diagnostics, attempts a repair and... we
>>>>>>>> start the whole loop all over again. (I tried this about six times and
>>>>>>>> finally told myself, "well, enough of that bullshit.")
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Adios WinCrap 11. the space can better be used by Linux Mint anyhow (which
>>>>>>>> still boots fine). Another computer that will be completely freed from
>>>>>>>> Windows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would be lying if I said that it never happened to me before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was beginning to think Windows 11 was fairly solid. This surprised me. I
>>>>>> don't why, but I had a bad feeling when I let it do a "disk check." I was
>>>>>> more worried that Windows would trash my Linux grub setup for booting,
>>>>>> though, I didn't think it would trash itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I went ahead and deleted the Windows partitions with GParted and installed
>>>>>> Debian 12 in its place. I'm experimenting with creating .deb packages for
>>>>>> Trelby (which I found isn't that hard to do) so it'll be nice to have a
>>>>>> Debian install for testing purposes. (Linux Mint is more like Ubuntu and
>>>>>> Debian and LM are actually different enough that I have to test both.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speaking of Ubuntu, I've come to despise it and it's damn Snaps. I found out
>>>>>> that the Snap version of Firefox refuses to read .html files if they're not
>>>>>> in the home (and/or, I suppose, the Snap) directory. The documentation for
>>>>>> Trelby can't be read by it (installed in its normal directory). When I
>>>>>> uninstall the Snap version of Firefox, it won't allow me to install the .deb
>>>>>> version. They're definitely turning into control freaks at Ubuntu (kind of
>>>>>> like Windows and Mac OS).
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not a fan of Flatpak or Snap anymore and see them both as something
>>>>> to use if you don't have a choice. I like the theory behind both, but
>>>>> they often ignore your theme, take longer to load or have trouble
>>>>> integrating with the rest of the system. If I absolutely had to go for
>>>>> one or the other though, I would choose Flatpak even though Snap is
>>>>> theoretically superior.
>>>>
>>>> I don't like Snaps at all. I do tolerate FlatPaks (and use a few of them)
>>>> but if I knew how to make AppImages that's what I would prefer for Trelby.
>>>>
>>>> And it's not Snaps I really dislike, it's Ubuntu forcing them on you.
>>>> There's other things I don't like about Ubuntu. It would definitely not be
>>>> in my top 20 list.
>>>
>>> I have to admit that during the short period of time during which I used
>>> Ubuntu recently, I was surprised that just about everything I was
>>> running was a Snap. For security reasons, it made sense (the browser,
>>> the e-mail client), but certain other things would have run just as well
>>> if they were simple .deb files. They want to make Snap a standard, that
>>> much is clear, and they're taking advantage of the distribution's
>>> popularity to do so.
>>
>> I think you're right. I think they're completely sold on the "container"
>> idea — everything in its own "silo" (or whatever they call it, "sandbox"
>> maybe). To me that means you lose the advatage of Linux, where small
>> applications are combined to create bigger applications, in one nice "flow."
>> This may be a good idea for servers, but I don't think there are other ways
>> to secure (harden) servers. I don't like it on a personal computer at all.
>>
>> I think they call these "container" distributions. Fedora has one, CoreOS,
>> but they keep it separate from their standard install. That's what I wish
>> Ubuntu would do as, apparently, they have something called Ubuntu Core. Save
>> the damn Snaps for that. I guess the big one (so far) is Alpine. I don't
>> know if these use special containers, or Snaps or Flatpaks, or what.
>
> I have no doubt that taking an all .deb or all .rpm approach might
> result in some things breaking along the way. However, there is no doubt
> that it's quite secure and much faster than the container approach. When
> all the software you're getting is coming out of a repository which has
> been checked thoroughly by professionals, and not anywhere on the web,
> I'm not sure what the need for contained software is. Granted, Flatpak
> and Snap make software which _isn't_ available to a repository available
> to your choice of a distribution, and that is definitely an advantage.
> Security, however, should not be the main reason for using Snap or Flatpak.
Personally I like (well made) AppImages better than either Flatpaks or
Snaps, but I do use about five Flatpaks. I quit using Snaps when I
discovered they showed up like drive partitions when I did a _df_ to check
my drive space. I didn't like that.
--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-02-11 08:51 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <6CIqP.4095$NgFa.688@fx46.iad> |
| In reply to | #685640 |
On 2025-02-11 1:23 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2025-02-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-02-10 2:54 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2025-02-09, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2025-02-08 12:07 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-02-08, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-02-08 10:40 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-02-08, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-02-08 3:49 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I guess checking the battery capacity is the last thing my Latitude 5300
>>>>>>>>> will ever do on Windows 11. When I exited it did a small update. When I
>>>>>>>>> rebooted after the update it wanted to do a disk check (and I stupidly let
>>>>>>>>> it do so). After doing that and rebooting it ran into a BSOD ("we ran into a
>>>>>>>>> problem"). It then wants to run diagnostics, attempts a repair and... we
>>>>>>>>> start the whole loop all over again. (I tried this about six times and
>>>>>>>>> finally told myself, "well, enough of that bullshit.")
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Adios WinCrap 11. the space can better be used by Linux Mint anyhow (which
>>>>>>>>> still boots fine). Another computer that will be completely freed from
>>>>>>>>> Windows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would be lying if I said that it never happened to me before.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was beginning to think Windows 11 was fairly solid. This surprised me. I
>>>>>>> don't why, but I had a bad feeling when I let it do a "disk check." I was
>>>>>>> more worried that Windows would trash my Linux grub setup for booting,
>>>>>>> though, I didn't think it would trash itself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I went ahead and deleted the Windows partitions with GParted and installed
>>>>>>> Debian 12 in its place. I'm experimenting with creating .deb packages for
>>>>>>> Trelby (which I found isn't that hard to do) so it'll be nice to have a
>>>>>>> Debian install for testing purposes. (Linux Mint is more like Ubuntu and
>>>>>>> Debian and LM are actually different enough that I have to test both.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Speaking of Ubuntu, I've come to despise it and it's damn Snaps. I found out
>>>>>>> that the Snap version of Firefox refuses to read .html files if they're not
>>>>>>> in the home (and/or, I suppose, the Snap) directory. The documentation for
>>>>>>> Trelby can't be read by it (installed in its normal directory). When I
>>>>>>> uninstall the Snap version of Firefox, it won't allow me to install the .deb
>>>>>>> version. They're definitely turning into control freaks at Ubuntu (kind of
>>>>>>> like Windows and Mac OS).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not a fan of Flatpak or Snap anymore and see them both as something
>>>>>> to use if you don't have a choice. I like the theory behind both, but
>>>>>> they often ignore your theme, take longer to load or have trouble
>>>>>> integrating with the rest of the system. If I absolutely had to go for
>>>>>> one or the other though, I would choose Flatpak even though Snap is
>>>>>> theoretically superior.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't like Snaps at all. I do tolerate FlatPaks (and use a few of them)
>>>>> but if I knew how to make AppImages that's what I would prefer for Trelby.
>>>>>
>>>>> And it's not Snaps I really dislike, it's Ubuntu forcing them on you.
>>>>> There's other things I don't like about Ubuntu. It would definitely not be
>>>>> in my top 20 list.
>>>>
>>>> I have to admit that during the short period of time during which I used
>>>> Ubuntu recently, I was surprised that just about everything I was
>>>> running was a Snap. For security reasons, it made sense (the browser,
>>>> the e-mail client), but certain other things would have run just as well
>>>> if they were simple .deb files. They want to make Snap a standard, that
>>>> much is clear, and they're taking advantage of the distribution's
>>>> popularity to do so.
>>>
>>> I think you're right. I think they're completely sold on the "container"
>>> idea — everything in its own "silo" (or whatever they call it, "sandbox"
>>> maybe). To me that means you lose the advatage of Linux, where small
>>> applications are combined to create bigger applications, in one nice "flow."
>>> This may be a good idea for servers, but I don't think there are other ways
>>> to secure (harden) servers. I don't like it on a personal computer at all.
>>>
>>> I think they call these "container" distributions. Fedora has one, CoreOS,
>>> but they keep it separate from their standard install. That's what I wish
>>> Ubuntu would do as, apparently, they have something called Ubuntu Core. Save
>>> the damn Snaps for that. I guess the big one (so far) is Alpine. I don't
>>> know if these use special containers, or Snaps or Flatpaks, or what.
>>
>> I have no doubt that taking an all .deb or all .rpm approach might
>> result in some things breaking along the way. However, there is no doubt
>> that it's quite secure and much faster than the container approach. When
>> all the software you're getting is coming out of a repository which has
>> been checked thoroughly by professionals, and not anywhere on the web,
>> I'm not sure what the need for contained software is. Granted, Flatpak
>> and Snap make software which _isn't_ available to a repository available
>> to your choice of a distribution, and that is definitely an advantage.
>> Security, however, should not be the main reason for using Snap or Flatpak.
>
> Personally I like (well made) AppImages better than either Flatpaks or
> Snaps, but I do use about five Flatpaks. I quit using Snaps when I
> discovered they showed up like drive partitions when I did a _df_ to check
> my drive space. I didn't like that.
I'm not sure why they bothered making Flatpaks and Snaps when AppImages
work pretty much everywhere. I mean, how can you beat something which
requires nothing more than for you to make it executable?
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-11 20:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m11rfkF2iu7U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #685655 |
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 08:51:59 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: > I'm not sure why they bothered making Flatpaks and Snaps when AppImages > work pretty much everywhere. I mean, how can you beat something which > requires nothing more than for you to make it executable? https://github.com/probonopd/go-appimage/blob/master/src/appimaged/ README.md appimaged is handy as it will search for AppImages, extract the icons, and have them show up on menus and taskbars.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-02-11 19:47 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mcSqP.176661$72m1.12311@fx11.iad> |
| In reply to | #685681 |
On 2025-02-11 3:49 p.m., rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 08:51:59 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> I'm not sure why they bothered making Flatpaks and Snaps when AppImages >> work pretty much everywhere. I mean, how can you beat something which >> requires nothing more than for you to make it executable? > > https://github.com/probonopd/go-appimage/blob/master/src/appimaged/ > README.md > > appimaged is handy as it will search for AppImages, extract the icons, and > have them show up on menus and taskbars. Ah, that's exactly the kind of application I was looking for. I was annoyed that the AppImage for my cloud provider didn't provide an icon. -- CrudeSausage/ Gab: @CrudeSausage Telegram: @CrudeSausage Pfizer knowingly injected us with poison
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-12 03:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m12hmdF6a4tU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #685695 |
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 19:47:14 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 2025-02-11 3:49 p.m., rbowman wrote: >> On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 08:51:59 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> I'm not sure why they bothered making Flatpaks and Snaps when >>> AppImages work pretty much everywhere. I mean, how can you beat >>> something which requires nothing more than for you to make it >>> executable? >> >> https://github.com/probonopd/go-appimage/blob/master/src/appimaged/ >> README.md >> >> appimaged is handy as it will search for AppImages, extract the icons, >> and have them show up on menus and taskbars. > > Ah, that's exactly the kind of application I was looking for. I was > annoyed that the AppImage for my cloud provider didn't provide an icon. Supposedly, at least on Ubuntu, you can extract the AppRun directory to squashfs-root, copy the whole mess to /opt, find the icon in the mess, handcraft a xxxx.desktop in /usr/share/applications pointing to the AppRun and icon, and then reload the desktop database. It never worked for me. appimaged found the app and now I have icons for both Arduino IDE v1 and V2 on the taskbar. V1 is a circle and v2 is a square with rounded corners but I can live with that. I've only got the one AppImage but it supposedly will find all and any.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-02-12 09:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <3S1rP.468444$YsRf.275495@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #685706 |
On 2025-02-11 10:09 p.m., rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 19:47:14 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> On 2025-02-11 3:49 p.m., rbowman wrote: >>> On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 08:51:59 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> >>>> I'm not sure why they bothered making Flatpaks and Snaps when >>>> AppImages work pretty much everywhere. I mean, how can you beat >>>> something which requires nothing more than for you to make it >>>> executable? >>> >>> https://github.com/probonopd/go-appimage/blob/master/src/appimaged/ >>> README.md >>> >>> appimaged is handy as it will search for AppImages, extract the icons, >>> and have them show up on menus and taskbars. >> >> Ah, that's exactly the kind of application I was looking for. I was >> annoyed that the AppImage for my cloud provider didn't provide an icon. > > Supposedly, at least on Ubuntu, you can extract the AppRun directory to > squashfs-root, copy the whole mess to /opt, find the icon in the mess, > handcraft a xxxx.desktop in /usr/share/applications pointing to the AppRun > and icon, and then reload the desktop database. It never worked for me. It's not exactly intuitive either. > appimaged found the app and now I have icons for both Arduino IDE v1 and > V2 on the taskbar. V1 is a circle and v2 is a square with rounded corners > but I can live with that. > > I've only got the one AppImage but it supposedly will find all and any. I never bothered to look into it but I'm wondering if AppImages have a database like flathub.org and snapcraft.io. -- CrudeSausage/ Gab: @CrudeSausage Telegram: @CrudeSausage Pfizer knowingly injected us with poison
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-12 19:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m14a4cFee9pU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #685723 |
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 09:02:38 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: > I never bothered to look into it but I'm wondering if AppImages have a > database like flathub.org and snapcraft.io. https://www.appimagehub.com/ The only one I have is the Arduino v2. https://www.appimagehub.com/p/2123683 On Fedora v2 is a Flatpak but on Ubuntu the snap is v1. I don't know why the difference. v1 is usable but v2 has matured and can do anything v1 did and more. The more I work with Ubuntu the less I like it.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-02-12 19:03 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <CFarP.176877$svL3.169299@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #685735 |
On 2025-02-12 2:12 p.m., rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 09:02:38 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> I never bothered to look into it but I'm wondering if AppImages have a >> database like flathub.org and snapcraft.io. > > https://www.appimagehub.com/ > > The only one I have is the Arduino v2. > > https://www.appimagehub.com/p/2123683 > > On Fedora v2 is a Flatpak but on Ubuntu the snap is v1. I don't know why > the difference. v1 is usable but v2 has matured and can do anything v1 did > and more. The more I work with Ubuntu the less I like it. I gave up on Ubuntu upon discovering that it and its derivatives freeze randomly with no explanation as to why that might be. It's part of why I was so willing to try Fedora and others in my latest adventure into Linux use. -- CrudeSausage/ Gab: @CrudeSausage Telegram: @CrudeSausage Pfizer knowingly injected us with poison
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-13 06:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vok4bj$2pp5m$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #685763 |
On 2025-02-13, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > On 2025-02-12 2:12 p.m., rbowman wrote: >> On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 09:02:38 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> I never bothered to look into it but I'm wondering if AppImages have a >>> database like flathub.org and snapcraft.io. >> >> https://www.appimagehub.com/ >> >> The only one I have is the Arduino v2. >> >> https://www.appimagehub.com/p/2123683 >> >> On Fedora v2 is a Flatpak but on Ubuntu the snap is v1. I don't know why >> the difference. v1 is usable but v2 has matured and can do anything v1 did >> and more. The more I work with Ubuntu the less I like it. > > I gave up on Ubuntu upon discovering that it and its derivatives freeze > randomly with no explanation as to why that might be. It's part of why I > was so willing to try Fedora and others in my latest adventure into > Linux use. I'm guessing that's a nVidia issue as I've never had trouble with random freezing on Linux Mint. -- “Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2025-02-13 07:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m15l75FhfqqU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #685781 |
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 06:44:03 -0000 (UTC), RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote in <vok4bj$2pp5m$3@dont-email.me>: > On 2025-02-13, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> On 2025-02-12 2:12 p.m., rbowman wrote: >>> On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 09:02:38 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> >>>> I never bothered to look into it but I'm wondering if AppImages have a >>>> database like flathub.org and snapcraft.io. >>> >>> https://www.appimagehub.com/ >>> >>> The only one I have is the Arduino v2. >>> >>> https://www.appimagehub.com/p/2123683 >>> >>> On Fedora v2 is a Flatpak but on Ubuntu the snap is v1. I don't know why >>> the difference. v1 is usable but v2 has matured and can do anything v1 did >>> and more. The more I work with Ubuntu the less I like it. >> >> I gave up on Ubuntu upon discovering that it and its derivatives freeze >> randomly with no explanation as to why that might be. It's part of why I >> was so willing to try Fedora and others in my latest adventure into >> Linux use. > > I'm guessing that's a nVidia issue as I've never had trouble with random > freezing on Linux Mint. Has never been a problem for me on Linux Mint. (Nobara, when I tried booting a live stick, absolutely choked.) Currently running NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-570.86.16.run, which is the current beta drivers. (MIT/GPL branch). -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.14.0-rc2 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G "How do you know it's summer in Seattle? Rain's warm!"
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