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  To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-01-20 12:29 +0000
    To the distro lackey (was: Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-20 14:23 +0000
      Re: 🏳️‍🌈To the distro lackey (was: Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths)🏳️‍🌈 🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈Jen🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈 Dershmender 💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🐶笛🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈 <root@127.0.0.1>  - 2025-01-20 14:29 +0000
        Re: 🏳️‍🌈To the distro lackey (was: Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths)🏳️‍🌈 vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-20 14:40 +0000
      Re: To the distro lackey (was: Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths) Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-01-20 14:32 +0000
        Re: To the distro lackey (was: Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-20 14:47 +0000
    Re: Translation: (was: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths) Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-01-20 14:37 +0000
      Re: Translation: Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-01-20 14:45 +0000
      Re: Translation: CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-20 09:53 -0500
        Re: Translation: Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-01-20 16:03 +0000
          Re: Translation: CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-20 11:28 -0500
    Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-20 13:14 -0500
      Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 15:03 -0500
        Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-20 15:21 -0500
          Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-21 06:43 +0000
            Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-21 08:43 -0500
              Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-22 07:05 +0000
                Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-22 08:38 -0500
                  Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-22 18:36 +0000
                    Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-22 15:00 -0500
                      Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-23 07:27 +0000
                    Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-23 07:25 +0000
                    Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-23 07:55 -0500
                  Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-23 07:22 +0000
                    Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-23 08:48 -0500
                      Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-23 21:17 +0000
    Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-20 13:22 -0500
      Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-20 19:31 +0000
        Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-20 16:37 -0500
      Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-01-20 20:48 +0000
    Re: To All The Micro$oft Fat Mouths DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-20 16:36 -0500

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#684492

On 2025-01-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 1/22/25 1:36 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Jan 2025 08:38:50 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> 
>>> Sure, but not user-friendly in the least. You can figure out how to
>>> configure it through a series of searches on the Internet, but most of
>>> what you would want to do can't be done from within the program. Much of
>>> it requires you to edit the configuration file and to know, before you
>>> start, what patterns to use to get things accomplished. At least in
>>> Thunderbird's case, it works without any confusion. It still has that
>>> bug that the filters won't work until you unsubscribe and resubscribe to
>>> a group, but otherwise it's perfect.
>> 
>> I find it very easy to click on a post, ignore the thread, or put the
>> author in the bozo bin for a period of time. You can also set the cross
>> post count for a group.
>
> The problem is that you will always end up with people like Larry 
> Pietraskiewicz who will change his name daily but follow an easy to 
> filter pattern. Pan and slrn don't allow you to filter patterns as 
> easily as Thunderbird/Betterbird does. It filters crossposts a lot more 
> easily though. In this client, I have to write in the name of the other 
> newsgroups people post from to get rid of them whereas in Pan, it's a 
> simple setting.

Crossposts are also a simple setting in slrn. And I'm pretty sure I'm also 
filtering Petraskiewcz and his many nyms with one command and it was pretty 
simple to do.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#684491

On 2025-01-22, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Jan 2025 08:38:50 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> Sure, but not user-friendly in the least. You can figure out how to
>> configure it through a series of searches on the Internet, but most of
>> what you would want to do can't be done from within the program. Much of
>> it requires you to edit the configuration file and to know, before you
>> start, what patterns to use to get things accomplished. At least in
>> Thunderbird's case, it works without any confusion. It still has that
>> bug that the filters won't work until you unsubscribe and resubscribe to
>> a group, but otherwise it's perfect.
>
> I find it very easy to click on a post, ignore the thread, or put the 
> author in the bozo bin for a period of time. You can also set the cross 
> post count for a group. 

It's been too long since I used Pan to remember details, but the filters 
seemed pretty easy to me. I went to slrn because I wanted to be able to use 
Jstar as my text editor, not because I thought the filter system was poor in 
Pan. 

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#684497

rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On Wed, 22 Jan 2025 08:38:50 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> Sure, but not user-friendly in the least. You can figure out how to
>> configure it through a series of searches on the Internet, but most of
>> what you would want to do can't be done from within the program. Much of
>> it requires you to edit the configuration file and to know, before you
>> start, what patterns to use to get things accomplished. At least in
>> Thunderbird's case, it works without any confusion. It still has that
>> bug that the filters won't work until you unsubscribe and resubscribe to
>> a group, but otherwise it's perfect.
>
> I find it very easy to click on a post, ignore the thread, or put the 
> author in the bozo bin for a period of time. You can also set the cross 
> post count for a group. 

Been using slrn forever. Won't change.

-- 
genlock, n.:
	Why he stays in the bottle.

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#684490

On 2025-01-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 1/22/25 2:05 AM, RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-01-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 1/21/25 1:43 AM, RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2025-01-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 1/20/25 3:03 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/20/2025 7:29 AM, Lameass Loser Larry Pietraskiewicz wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> build us a perfect Pan version
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Somebody hep me get a Windows GUI!  You know I can't post witout a GUI
>>>>>>> Momma!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Distro Pan hard to use.  Forte Agent under Wine very nice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pan is very simple, but also very clunky. It looks like a teenager's
>>>>> high school Visual Basic project.
>>>>
>>>> Well, it's not slrn, but I thought it was pretty good when I ran it several
>>>> years ago. It reminded a lot of Xnews, which is what I used way back in my
>>>> Windows' days.
>>>
>>> Much like a Visual Basic project, it does the job. I'm not a fan of its
>>> filter system, but it is otherwise lean and useful.
>> 
>> Pan's filter system is pretty much like slrn's — it's pretty powerful.
>
> Sure, but not user-friendly in the least. You can figure out how to 
> configure it through a series of searches on the Internet, but most of 
> what you would want to do can't be done from within the program. Much of 
> it requires you to edit the configuration file and to know, before you 
> start, what patterns to use to get things accomplished. At least in 
> Thunderbird's case, it works without any confusion. It still has that 
> bug that the filters won't work until you unsubscribe and resubscribe to 
> a group, but otherwise it's perfect.

After looking up slrn vs Pan filters, I found out that (although the filters 
look a lot alike) there are two different "interpreters" at work. Slrn uses 
something called S-Lang while Pan uses something PCRE. Apparently simple 
filters will interchange, but the more complicated ones won't. Or something 
like that...

https://news.software.readers.narkive.com/k3fYPwcP/pan-and-slrn-score-files-the-difference

So I guess that's that. Although I found both Pan and slrn filters can be 
auto-generated (mostly) and what I couldn't figure out in slrn, could be 
solved an Internet search that provided the answer fairly quickly. I would 
have to know more about what filters you're creating in Thunderbird to know 
if the filter was easily reproducible in slrn. 

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#684501

On 1/23/25 2:22 AM, RonB wrote:
> On 2025-01-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 1/22/25 2:05 AM, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2025-01-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 1/21/25 1:43 AM, RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-01-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/20/25 3:03 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2025 7:29 AM, Lameass Loser Larry Pietraskiewicz wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> build us a perfect Pan version
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Somebody hep me get a Windows GUI!  You know I can't post witout a GUI
>>>>>>>> Momma!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Distro Pan hard to use.  Forte Agent under Wine very nice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pan is very simple, but also very clunky. It looks like a teenager's
>>>>>> high school Visual Basic project.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, it's not slrn, but I thought it was pretty good when I ran it several
>>>>> years ago. It reminded a lot of Xnews, which is what I used way back in my
>>>>> Windows' days.
>>>>
>>>> Much like a Visual Basic project, it does the job. I'm not a fan of its
>>>> filter system, but it is otherwise lean and useful.
>>>
>>> Pan's filter system is pretty much like slrn's — it's pretty powerful.
>>
>> Sure, but not user-friendly in the least. You can figure out how to
>> configure it through a series of searches on the Internet, but most of
>> what you would want to do can't be done from within the program. Much of
>> it requires you to edit the configuration file and to know, before you
>> start, what patterns to use to get things accomplished. At least in
>> Thunderbird's case, it works without any confusion. It still has that
>> bug that the filters won't work until you unsubscribe and resubscribe to
>> a group, but otherwise it's perfect.
> 
> After looking up slrn vs Pan filters, I found out that (although the filters
> look a lot alike) there are two different "interpreters" at work. Slrn uses
> something called S-Lang while Pan uses something PCRE. Apparently simple
> filters will interchange, but the more complicated ones won't. Or something
> like that...
> 
> https://news.software.readers.narkive.com/k3fYPwcP/pan-and-slrn-score-files-the-difference
> 
> So I guess that's that. Although I found both Pan and slrn filters can be
> auto-generated (mostly) and what I couldn't figure out in slrn, could be
> solved an Internet search that provided the answer fairly quickly. I would
> have to know more about what filters you're creating in Thunderbird to know
> if the filter was easily reproducible in slrn.

It doesn't matter since I have no interest in using a CLI tool to 
navigate through Usenet anyway. Additionally, it would reveal to the 
people I'm filtering _how_ I'm doing it, so they would easily circumvent 
those filters.



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#684516

On 2025-01-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 1/23/25 2:22 AM, RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-01-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 1/22/25 2:05 AM, RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2025-01-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 1/21/25 1:43 AM, RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-01-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/20/25 3:03 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2025 7:29 AM, Lameass Loser Larry Pietraskiewicz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> build us a perfect Pan version
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Somebody hep me get a Windows GUI!  You know I can't post witout a GUI
>>>>>>>>> Momma!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Distro Pan hard to use.  Forte Agent under Wine very nice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pan is very simple, but also very clunky. It looks like a teenager's
>>>>>>> high school Visual Basic project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, it's not slrn, but I thought it was pretty good when I ran it several
>>>>>> years ago. It reminded a lot of Xnews, which is what I used way back in my
>>>>>> Windows' days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Much like a Visual Basic project, it does the job. I'm not a fan of its
>>>>> filter system, but it is otherwise lean and useful.
>>>>
>>>> Pan's filter system is pretty much like slrn's — it's pretty powerful.
>>>
>>> Sure, but not user-friendly in the least. You can figure out how to
>>> configure it through a series of searches on the Internet, but most of
>>> what you would want to do can't be done from within the program. Much of
>>> it requires you to edit the configuration file and to know, before you
>>> start, what patterns to use to get things accomplished. At least in
>>> Thunderbird's case, it works without any confusion. It still has that
>>> bug that the filters won't work until you unsubscribe and resubscribe to
>>> a group, but otherwise it's perfect.
>> 
>> After looking up slrn vs Pan filters, I found out that (although the filters
>> look a lot alike) there are two different "interpreters" at work. Slrn uses
>> something called S-Lang while Pan uses something PCRE. Apparently simple
>> filters will interchange, but the more complicated ones won't. Or something
>> like that...
>> 
>> https://news.software.readers.narkive.com/k3fYPwcP/pan-and-slrn-score-files-the-difference
>> 
>> So I guess that's that. Although I found both Pan and slrn filters can be
>> auto-generated (mostly) and what I couldn't figure out in slrn, could be
>> solved an Internet search that provided the answer fairly quickly. I would
>> have to know more about what filters you're creating in Thunderbird to know
>> if the filter was easily reproducible in slrn.
>
> It doesn't matter since I have no interest in using a CLI tool to 
> navigate through Usenet anyway. Additionally, it would reveal to the 
> people I'm filtering _how_ I'm doing it, so they would easily circumvent 
> those filters.

I understand that. That's why I don't post the filter that I think does the 
job for me. But CLI is better (just saying). :)

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#684376

On 1/20/2025 7:29 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
> Attention all Microslop fat mouths.
> 
> You all jabber about that junk Winblows being God's gift to humanity,
> well let's see you all put your money, as it were, where your fat mouths
> are.
> 
> The Pan newsreader does not distribute an M$ Winblows version and we need
> you all to compile one for us.  The source code is here:
> 
> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/pan/-/releases/v0.161
> 
> There are unofficial Winblows versions provided but they are all
> junk in that they constantly crash as well as being way behind the
> current version.
> 
> So put your mighty (sic) Microslop machines to work and build us a perfect
> Pan version with that superb (sic) Microslop software.  Then post the result
> somewhere.
> 
> C'mon, get moving.  It shouldn't take y'all more than 20 minutes.
> 
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!  They're already crawling back into
> their fetid holes.
> 
> I wish they'd stay there, but once their shame lessens they'll be back.


Reword your entire post and ask reasonably and nicely and I'll look into 
building a new version of Pan for Windows.

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#684380

On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 13:22:06 -0500, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca>
wrote in <vmm48b$3b2am$2@dont-email.me>:

> On 1/20/2025 7:29 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
>> Attention all Microslop fat mouths.
>> 
>> You all jabber about that junk Winblows being God's gift to humanity,
>> well let's see you all put your money, as it were, where your fat
>> mouths are.
>> 
>> The Pan newsreader does not distribute an M$ Winblows version and we
>> need you all to compile one for us.  The source code is here:
>> 
>> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/pan/-/releases/v0.161
>> 
>> There are unofficial Winblows versions provided but they are all junk
>> in that they constantly crash as well as being way behind the current
>> version.
>> 
>> So put your mighty (sic) Microslop machines to work and build us a
>> perfect Pan version with that superb (sic) Microslop software.  Then
>> post the result somewhere.
>> 
>> C'mon, get moving.  It shouldn't take y'all more than 20 minutes.
>> 
>> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!  They're already crawling back into
>> their fetid holes.
>> 
>> I wish they'd stay there, but once their shame lessens they'll be back.
> 
> 
> Reword your entire post and ask reasonably and nicely and I'll look into
> building a new version of Pan for Windows.

He'll never do it.  His schtick is "bully" -- but as you
know, he sucks at it.

Meanwhile, the civilized world understands that a _human_
"alpha" is most successful when they foster cooperation
and mutuality.

Perhaps Feeb was raised by wolves?

-- 
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   OS: Linux 6.13.0 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
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#684388

On 1/20/2025 2:31 PM, vallor wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 13:22:06 -0500, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca>

>> Reword your entire post and ask reasonably and nicely and I'll look into
>> building a new version of Pan for Windows.
> 
> He'll never do it.  His schtick is "bully" -- but as you
> know, he sucks at it.

Bullying is his outlet for a failed professional and personal life, and 
being forced to take a Windows job.



> Meanwhile, the civilized world understands that a _human_
> "alpha" is most successful when they foster cooperation
> and mutuality.

Braveheart couldn't have said it better!



> Perhaps Feeb was raised by wolves?

And then finishing school with hyenas

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#684384

On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 13:22:06 -0500, DFS wrote:

> On 1/20/2025 7:29 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
>> Attention all Microslop fat mouths.
>> 
>> You all jabber about that junk Winblows being God's gift to humanity,
>> well let's see you all put your money, as it were, where your fat
>> mouths are.
>> 
>> The Pan newsreader does not distribute an M$ Winblows version and we
>> need you all to compile one for us.  The source code is here:
>> 
>> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/pan/-/releases/v0.161
>> 
>> There are unofficial Winblows versions provided but they are all junk
>> in that they constantly crash as well as being way behind the current
>> version.
>> 
>> So put your mighty (sic) Microslop machines to work and build us a
>> perfect Pan version with that superb (sic) Microslop software.  Then
>> post the result somewhere.
>> 
>> C'mon, get moving.  It shouldn't take y'all more than 20 minutes.
>> 
>> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!  They're already crawling back into
>> their fetid holes.
>> 
>> I wish they'd stay there, but once their shame lessens they'll be back.
> 
> 
> Reword your entire post and ask reasonably and nicely and I'll look into
> building a new version of Pan for Windows.

I have it running, built with Cygwin.

Needed only one patch from the current git to build on Cygwin:

$ diff -u pan/tasks/nntp.cc~ pan/tasks/nntp.cc
--- pan/tasks/nntp.cc~  2025-01-20 11:51:40.000000000 -0800
+++ pan/tasks/nntp.cc   2025-01-20 12:21:48.046617200 -0800
@@ -17,6 +17,8 @@
  *
  */
 
+#define _GNU_SOURCE
+
 #include "nntp.h"
 
 #include <config.h>

 _ _ _ _ _ _ _

This is all beyond Feeb, of course, or he wouldn't have asked in
the first place...

-- 
-v

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#684387

On 1/20/2025 7:29 AM, Lameass Larry wrote:


> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/pan/-/releases/v0.161
> 
> There are unofficial Winblows versions provided 


Those are the versions you've been using to post from your Windows job - 
for YEARS.

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