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| Started by | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| First post | 2025-01-10 12:37 -0500 |
| Last post | 2025-01-16 11:35 -0500 |
| Articles | 6 on this page of 186 — 27 participants |
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Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-10 12:37 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-10 12:43 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-10 13:59 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 09:30 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-11 07:30 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-20 16:39 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-20 20:39 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-21 06:05 -0600
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-21 08:49 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-10 20:14 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-10 16:35 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 09:31 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-11 12:15 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-12 23:20 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-13 12:45 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-13 22:50 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-21 22:43 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-10 12:54 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 09:27 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 04:32 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-11 07:38 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-11 07:28 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-12 08:38 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-12 09:36 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-13 12:40 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-13 10:05 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-11 20:11 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-11 17:28 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-12 08:40 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-12 09:55 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-13 12:44 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-12 08:39 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-12 23:23 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-01-13 21:25 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-13 16:32 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-13 17:44 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-13 17:54 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-13 18:10 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-13 18:25 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-13 17:52 -0600
Cult of Unix (was: Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-15 00:30 +0000
Re: Cult of Unix Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-14 20:05 -0600
Re: Cult of Unix Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-15 03:16 -0500
Re: Cult of Unix vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-15 09:02 +0000
Re: Cult of Unix ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 11:10 -0700
Re: Cult of Unix Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-16 05:03 +0000
Re: 🏳️🌈Cult of Unix🏳️🌈 🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈Jen🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈 Dershmender 💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🐶笛🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2025-01-16 05:28 +0000
Re: Cult of Unix Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 10:34 -0500
Re: Cult of Unix vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-16 16:04 +0000
Re: Cult of Unix Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-16 14:48 -0600
Re: Cult of Unix Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 18:06 -0500
Re: Cult of Unix Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-17 02:49 +0000
Re: Cult of Unix vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-17 03:51 +0000
Re: Cult of Unix Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-17 02:10 -0500
Re: Cult of Unix Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-17 23:55 +0000
Re: Cult of Unix Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-17 20:53 -0500
Re: Cult of Unix Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-19 00:54 +0000
Re: Cult of Unix Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-17 16:46 +0000
Re: Cult of Unix Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-17 23:56 +0000
Re: Cult of Unix Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-17 20:54 -0500
Re: Cult of Unix Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-19 00:55 +0000
Re: Cult of Unix Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 20:01 -0500
Re: Cult of Unix Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-17 00:10 +0000
Re: 🏳️🌈Cult of Unix (was: Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs)🏳️🌈 🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈Jen🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈 Dershmender 💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🐶笛🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2025-01-15 05:24 +0000
Setting up old-style backup on Windows 11 (was: Re: Cult of Unix) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-15 08:38 +0000
Re: 🏳️🌈Setting up old-style backup on Windows 11 (was: Re: Cult of Unix)🏳️🌈 🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈Jen🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈 Dershmender 💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🐶笛🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2025-01-15 17:22 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-13 21:44 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Manu Raju <MR@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-14 03:09 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-15 06:56 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-15 02:52 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-17 00:11 +0000
Defragging (was: Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-17 03:45 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-17 23:10 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 10:40 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-15 23:14 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-15 20:15 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-16 01:29 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 05:05 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-17 08:53 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 10:43 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-17 11:07 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-17 17:19 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-17 18:17 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-20 16:40 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-20 20:41 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-17 17:18 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-17 18:15 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 13:07 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-18 16:08 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 17:22 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-18 23:30 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 19:04 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-19 04:40 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-18 18:50 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 19:08 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-18 21:10 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-18 22:14 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 11:38 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-19 12:23 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 12:32 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-19 15:54 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 15:59 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-19 18:44 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 20:28 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-19 21:10 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 22:22 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 07:22 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-19 06:03 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 03:53 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 23:08 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-20 08:45 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-21 06:40 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-19 19:36 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 03:56 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-19 08:53 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-19 06:09 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-14 12:46 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-15 13:51 +0100
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-15 09:58 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-15 16:20 +0100
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-15 23:20 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-16 15:36 +0100
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-17 00:12 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 18:09 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-16 15:47 +0100
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-14 05:48 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-13 16:48 -0600
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 23:54 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 11:33 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 10:46 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-15 11:33 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-15 17:02 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-15 12:33 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-16 05:40 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-16 06:27 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-27 22:49 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 14:32 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-15 15:52 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-15 20:34 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 00:41 -0600
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-16 06:42 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 14:40 -0600
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-16 16:34 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 16:56 -0600
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-16 22:40 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 02:04 -0600
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-17 07:34 -0600
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs roger <rduffy@hotmail.com.invalid - 2025-01-17 14:01 -0600
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-17 17:15 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-17 15:57 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 16:50 -0600
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-17 21:52 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-16 21:38 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-16 18:33 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 15:44 -0600
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 15:51 -0600
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 16:11 -0600
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-01-17 13:03 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 16:00 -0600
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-17 23:15 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 18:10 -0600
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 18:13 -0600
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-30 13:35 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-30 17:32 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-01 00:20 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-01 06:58 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-01 07:18 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-01 06:31 -0600
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-01 12:39 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-02-02 16:00 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-02-02 15:59 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-16 06:22 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 12:10 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-16 12:28 -0600
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-17 00:27 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 23:47 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-20 16:41 -0500
Gaming Laptops (was: Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-01 12:58 +0000
Re: Gaming Laptops Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-01 19:22 -0500
Re: Gaming Laptops chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-02 08:05 -0600
Re: Gaming Laptops candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-03 20:10 +0000
Re: Gaming Laptops Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-03 19:24 -0500
Re: Gaming Laptops pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-04 00:45 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-01-16 18:45 +0000
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-16 16:05 -0500
Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 11:35 -0500
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| From | candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-03 20:10 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Gaming Laptops |
| Message-ID | <slrnvq28fn.3finp.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid> |
| In reply to | #684854 |
chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote at 14:05 this Sunday (GMT): > Paul wrote: > >> vallor wrote: >>> >>> After updating it to Linux Mint 22.1, and while looking at the output >>> of lspci(8), discovered this: >>> >>> 0000:00:08.0 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 12th Gen Core Processor >>> Gaussian & Neural Accelerator (rev 02) >>> >>> There's an out-of-tree driver Linux driver for it, and apparently Intel >>> is working to get it into the Linux kernel. >>> >>> Having said that, can't imagine why I'd use it. (I guess perhaps Windows >>> Copilot might use it, but I'll defer to others regarding whether or not >>> that is the case.) >> >>Your guess is as good as any. >> >>https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/ipla/software-development-platforms/client/platforms/alder-lake-desktop/12th-generation-intel-core-processors-datasheet-volume-1-of-2/003/intel-gmm-and-neural-network-accelerator/ >> >>Even the person making a URL for the article, was running out of letters. > > Interesting. I hadn't even heard of this GNA thingy before. > >>In a strange twist of fate, it's being used as a Direct Render Manager "thingy". >>No resource goes wasted, I would guess. >> >>https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-GNA-To-DRM-Driver > > The article notes that Linux does not yet have a dedicated AI > accelerator subsystem. I wonder when that's coming, and if we should > be afraid. Well, I probably won't use it, but that is I /guess/ neat. -- user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-03 19:24 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Gaming Laptops |
| Message-ID | <vnrmo5$1hlel$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #684935 |
On Mon, 2/3/2025 3:10 PM, candycanearter07 wrote: > chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote at 14:05 this Sunday (GMT): >> Paul wrote: >> >>> vallor wrote: >>>> >>>> After updating it to Linux Mint 22.1, and while looking at the output >>>> of lspci(8), discovered this: >>>> >>>> 0000:00:08.0 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 12th Gen Core Processor >>>> Gaussian & Neural Accelerator (rev 02) >>>> >>>> There's an out-of-tree driver Linux driver for it, and apparently Intel >>>> is working to get it into the Linux kernel. >>>> >>>> Having said that, can't imagine why I'd use it. (I guess perhaps Windows >>>> Copilot might use it, but I'll defer to others regarding whether or not >>>> that is the case.) >>> >>> Your guess is as good as any. >>> >>> https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/ipla/software-development-platforms/client/platforms/alder-lake-desktop/12th-generation-intel-core-processors-datasheet-volume-1-of-2/003/intel-gmm-and-neural-network-accelerator/ >>> >>> Even the person making a URL for the article, was running out of letters. >> >> Interesting. I hadn't even heard of this GNA thingy before. >> >>> In a strange twist of fate, it's being used as a Direct Render Manager "thingy". >>> No resource goes wasted, I would guess. >>> >>> https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-GNA-To-DRM-Driver >> >> The article notes that Linux does not yet have a dedicated AI >> accelerator subsystem. I wonder when that's coming, and if we should >> be afraid. > > > Well, I probably won't use it, but that is I /guess/ neat. > The NVidia driver and the CUDA kit, are the most likely to expose the bottom layer of a model you might want. The rest of a desired model or activity, could run in userspace. AMD also has capabilities, but they tend to be packaged in the most expensive cards (7900XTX). And due to the level of market penetration, AMD does not currently have a large portion of the high end video card market. The number of people adding AMD kits to their PC, that's going to be a smaller number of people. But once some hardware drivers are in there, for one thing or another, the models you want to experiment with, will be in userspace. Maybe you get a copy of LMStudio and their launcher, and load something on your system. With the understanding that the datacenter version has a lot more hardware horsepower (but still gives answers relatively slowly). There are people who have been working on ONNX/DirectML for the last four years, but it's hard to say how many of those efforts are ready for prime time. I only learned a tiny bit about this, from someone who wrote in and complained his astronomy program wasn't running right. And that's an image processor that uses Machine Learning to adaptively process astronomy pictures. The code was basically malfunctioning, right at the stage it was running hardware detection, and the program would not load while it was figuring out that only the user CPU was available. The code was tripping up poking hardware that could not possibly do the job for him. And it turns out there are a lot of libraries and stuff to load, to do all those detection processes properly. An "abomination of initialization". And I could see that taking at least another year, to set right. That's not a job for the program dev to fix, it's a library developer issue. One way to set that one right, would be to have a control panel, with a "CPU button", click the CPU button and tell the initialization code to "go away and stop bothering me" :-) I've had this problem, on a few attempts to run unique things. I could get the CPU to run the demo. I couldn't get my video card to run it. The setup just refused, and I'd loaded all the drivers and the CUDA kit. The correct version of everything is nicely packaged by Canonical for you to use. That wasn't the problem. I've had other situations, where I was trying to build a package that involved CUDA, the compile stopped and it would tell me "library mismatch". But it would not tell me what version the two incompatible ends were using, so I could figure out which 2GB thing I needed to download. That's the value the packaging guys add to your distro, is they make sure a reasonable set of aligned things are available in the tree. But with computers, not everything in life is like a trip to the restaurant. A plate does not come out with your meal ready to eat. Instead, with computers, it's like the grocery store, you have a bunch of potential ingredients, but you have to cook them. And there are lots of ways to screw that up. Maybe your oven isn't big enough to cook a water buffalo. Paul
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| From | pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-04 00:45 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Gaming Laptops |
| Message-ID | <vnrnui$1hp7p$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #684958 |
On 2025-02-04, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: > On Mon, 2/3/2025 3:10 PM, candycanearter07 wrote: >> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote at 14:05 this Sunday (GMT): >>> Paul wrote: >>> >>>> vallor wrote: >>>>> >>>>> After updating it to Linux Mint 22.1, and while looking at the output >>>>> of lspci(8), discovered this: >>>>> >>>>> 0000:00:08.0 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 12th Gen Core Processor >>>>> Gaussian & Neural Accelerator (rev 02) >>>>> >>>>> There's an out-of-tree driver Linux driver for it, and apparently Intel >>>>> is working to get it into the Linux kernel. >>>>> >>>>> Having said that, can't imagine why I'd use it. (I guess perhaps Windows >>>>> Copilot might use it, but I'll defer to others regarding whether or not >>>>> that is the case.) >>>> >>>> Your guess is as good as any. >>>> >>>> https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/ipla/software-development-platforms/client/platforms/alder-lake-desktop/12th-generation-intel-core-processors-datasheet-volume-1-of-2/003/intel-gmm-and-neural-network-accelerator/ >>>> >>>> Even the person making a URL for the article, was running out of letters. >>> >>> Interesting. I hadn't even heard of this GNA thingy before. >>> >>>> In a strange twist of fate, it's being used as a Direct Render Manager "thingy". >>>> No resource goes wasted, I would guess. >>>> >>>> https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-GNA-To-DRM-Driver >>> >>> The article notes that Linux does not yet have a dedicated AI >>> accelerator subsystem. I wonder when that's coming, and if we should >>> be afraid. >> >> >> Well, I probably won't use it, but that is I /guess/ neat. >> > > The NVidia driver and the CUDA kit, are the most likely to expose > the bottom layer of a model you might want. The rest of a desired model > or activity, could run in userspace. > > AMD also has capabilities, but they tend to be packaged > in the most expensive cards (7900XTX). And due to the level of market > penetration, AMD does not currently have a large portion of the > high end video card market. The number of people adding AMD kits > to their PC, that's going to be a smaller number of people. > > But once some hardware drivers are in there, for one thing or another, > the models you want to experiment with, will be in userspace. > Maybe you get a copy of LMStudio and their launcher, > and load something on your system. With the understanding that the > datacenter version has a lot more hardware horsepower (but > still gives answers relatively slowly). > > There are people who have been working on ONNX/DirectML for > the last four years, but it's hard to say how many of > those efforts are ready for prime time. > > I only learned a tiny bit about this, from someone who wrote in > and complained his astronomy program wasn't running right. And > that's an image processor that uses Machine Learning to > adaptively process astronomy pictures. The code was basically > malfunctioning, right at the stage it was running hardware > detection, and the program would not load while it was > figuring out that only the user CPU was available. The > code was tripping up poking hardware that could not > possibly do the job for him. And it turns out there are a > lot of libraries and stuff to load, to do all those > detection processes properly. An "abomination of initialization". > And I could see that taking at least another year, to set right. > That's not a job for the program dev to fix, it's a library > developer issue. > > One way to set that one right, would be to have a control panel, > with a "CPU button", click the CPU button and tell the initialization code > to "go away and stop bothering me" :-) > > I've had this problem, on a few attempts to run unique things. > I could get the CPU to run the demo. I couldn't get my video > card to run it. The setup just refused, and I'd loaded all > the drivers and the CUDA kit. The correct version of everything > is nicely packaged by Canonical for you to use. That wasn't the problem. > I've had other situations, where I was trying to build a package > that involved CUDA, the compile stopped and it would tell me > "library mismatch". But it would not tell me what version the > two incompatible ends were using, so I could figure out which > 2GB thing I needed to download. That's the value the packaging > guys add to your distro, is they make sure a reasonable set of > aligned things are available in the tree. > > But with computers, not everything in life is like a trip > to the restaurant. A plate does not come out with your meal > ready to eat. Instead, with computers, it's like the grocery store, > you have a bunch of potential ingredients, but you have to cook them. > And there are lots of ways to screw that up. Maybe your oven > isn't big enough to cook a water buffalo. > > Paul ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This. Good poast. -- pothead Why did Joe Biden pardon his family? Read below to learn the reason. The Biden Crime Family Timeline here: https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/
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| From | Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-16 18:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <678953e4$2$17$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #684137 |
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 12:10:33 -0500, Paul wrote: [snip] > You're in control of the build. If something breaks, > you're in control of the repair too. No returning a unit three times, > hearing "no fault found", haranguing tech support for a replacement > machine and so on. Think of the hair loss saved. There was one night when I was up, that I discovered that my main computer wasn't working. I little testing showed it was the power supply that had failed. I replaced it and everything was OK. That PC was "out of action" for a couple of hours. If I had depended on a store to fix it, I would probably had gotten that new PS, along with having to explain a very non- standard software setup, waiting a couple of weeks (or more), and spending a couple of days recreating the software configuration they had messed up. > I don't want to use anyones "warranty service". > > [Picture] > > https://i.postimg.cc/ry0VWG7J/home-build-what-you-want.gif > > Paul -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "SENILE.COM found. Out Of Memory."
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-16 16:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vmbsao$3l86v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #684137 |
On 1/16/25 12:10 PM, Paul wrote: > On Thu, 1/16/2025 6:22 AM, -hh wrote: > >> >> Of course. Overall, a challenge with the DIY topic is >> differences in motivation: is the DIY because money's tight? >> Or is the motivation because tinkering with hardware is an >> entertaining hobby/pastime? >> Both motivations can & do exist, and can get conflated in discussions. > > The motivation, is we don't want to buy shit. One does that by not buying junk brands, which has nothing to do with if one is components or complete systems. > Do I want a Dell with a four phase VCore, when > I can have a twenty four phase VCore on an > expensive motherboard ? > > Do I want a 230W power supply on a Dell, when > I can pick up an 850W power supply at Best Buy ? > Now, I can plug in an RTX4090 when I want to. > On the Dell, that's... impossible (even if you > went out and bought the 850W supply, it probably > would not fit in the small Dell case, neither would > the Dell cooling system be adequate for the thermal > load and there wouldn't even be a mounting location > for a fan to be added). That's a criticism of Dell, not of all PC system manufacturers. > When you do a build, you control everything, and > no screwing around or taking shortcuts. Doing all of in in-house is taking the "longcut", plus you've effectively adopted all possible repair & warranty headaches too. When the costs are significant, its not a trade-off to casually commit to. > Let's take an example, Mr.LaptopMan. Okay, Mr Logical_Fallacy_Man, because noting that the marketplace reality is that 80% buy laptops now isn't an endorsement of that fact that should get you upset and slinging lame Ad Hominems. > Take the lady > in the computer store the other day, a salesman > explaining to her that "the laptop with the 4070 > is faster than the laptop with the 4060" for gaming. > Well, what the salesman didn't tell the gaming lady, > is that the owner will beat the piss out of the laptop > and it will be knackered after only four years. While you > are having a gaming experience, it won't last. > > Whereas, with a desktop, if I wear the keycaps off my > keyboard playing Tetris, I just swap keyboards, takes > about ten seconds. If the video cards burns the > connector off, chuck it on the table, pop in another. When the customer wants a laptop, offering a desktop solution is inappropriate & will be disregarded. Consider a guy going into a dealership to buy a sports car to race on the track on weekends: a you really going to try to tell him that his needs are all wrong and he should buy a big old truck instead because it can haul more manure? > And if I want four NVMe storage, I can pop in a board > with four sleds on it, and boom, done. Or buy one of these for a laptop...boom: OWC Express 4M2 - Four-Slot Thunderbolt (40Gb/s) NVMe M.2 SSD Enclosure for NVMe M.2 2280 SSDs <https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/express-4m2> OWC Express 4M2 - Four-Slot Thunderbolt (40Gb/s) NVMe M.2 SSD Enclosure for NVMe M.2 2280 SSDs > With this, I could install twenty four NVMe on six cards. > > "Asus Pro WS W790E-SAGE SE" > > https://dlcdnwebimgs.asus.com/gain/f8c9b3f4-1a07-4645-aa79-594c48bd4090/w692 > > (Note desktop I/O style on the left) > > https://dlcdnwebimgs.asus.com/files/media/35d86ad4-c99a-49d7-b8bb-09601ad49164/images/swiper_left.png Sure, but that's just a niche of a niche. And since Thunderbolt can daisy-chain a half dozen devices per port, 6x4 = 24 NMVE's too. Now to escape from niche corner cases, contemplate how many TB of SSD storage users actually have, applying the Parato Principle to determine what the ~80% max capability required use case solution is. YMMV, but I doubt its more than 4TB. > You're in control of the build. If something breaks, > you're in control of the repair too. No returning a unit > three times, hearing "no fault found", haranguing tech > support for a replacement machine and so on. Think of > the hair loss saved. You very well may have little to no choice other than to try to fix it yourself. What shops will even touch a DIY build these days? FWIW, I had a conversation with a shop owner two weeks ago on servicing some old sports gear I have and his response was that he's discontinued it because the revenue's no longer worth the liability exposure risk. > I don't want to use anyones "warranty service". You may not have much choice in the matter anymore. YMMV, but I recognize that there's value in having the option of DIYing themselves, or delegating the headache to someone else to service. -hh
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-16 11:35 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <e4diojlevq7kn084cgtk1r0c5qjhjk0hl1@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #684101 |
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote: >> You keep including my monitor or video card or something, those were >> choice add-ons that I could've trivially avoided with another HD >> monitor. > >Monitor? Nope. > >Video Card? Yup: because you said that even though you'd researched >your gear, you quickly realized that you screwed up as the i5's included >one was inadequate for your desires. But even if we subtract off the >$100 you spent here, its still $600 vs your $850 spent I didn't screw up, I wanted this CPU all along. >But do feel free to provide a detailed cost list. > >Because even the $100 you spent on the video card is subtracted off too, >your $850 spent is still higher than $600, but now its only by +30%. Well under $900 including second 16 GB added RAM, not including software or video. It's better than your mini. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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