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The problem with not owning the software

Started byCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
First post2024-12-19 20:03 -0500
Last post2024-12-25 16:19 -0500
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  The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 20:03 -0500
    Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 16:52 +0800
      Re: The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-21 07:26 -0500
        Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 23:15 +0800
          Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-23 23:24 +0000
            Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 11:48 +0800
              Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-25 06:54 +0000
              Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-25 20:39 +0000
                Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 22:23 +0800
                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-28 07:04 +0000
                    Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 16:53 +0800
                    Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-28 19:34 +0000
                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 15:07 -0500
                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 15:12 -0500
                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 17:11 -0500
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 17:17 -0500
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 13:16 -0500
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 14:24 -0500
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 15:39 -0500
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 16:06 -0500
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 17:10 -0500
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 17:39 -0500
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 18:58 -0500
                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 19:10 -0500
                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 19:21 -0500
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:55 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 18:02 -0500
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 18:35 -0600
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 19:51 -0500
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 20:00 -0600
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-29 22:34 -0500
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 03:48 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 19:55 -0500
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 20:15 -0600
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 21:49 -0500
                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2024-12-30 04:06 -0500
                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 08:31 -0500
                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-30 19:12 -0500
                                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:53 +0000
                                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 21:06 -0500
                                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-31 11:01 -0500
                                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:00 +0000
                                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:52 +0000
                                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 01:46 +0000
                                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 20:52 -0500
                                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 17:02 -0500
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-01-18 11:54 -0600
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 18:46 -0500
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:51 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 09:34 -0500
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 00:53 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:42 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:09 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:44 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:05 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 23:14 +0100
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 03:57 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:25 +0000
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 10:09 -0500
                        Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 00:32 +0000
                          Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-29 01:43 +0000
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 20:52 -0500
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 07:05 +0000
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 06:58 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 21:17 +0100
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 20:41 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 23:31 +0100
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-30 10:56 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 03:24 +0100
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 13:50 +0000
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-31 13:18 -0500
                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-31 19:14 +0000
                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-01 07:44 -0500
                                                Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:22 +0000
                                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
                                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 19:36 +0000
                                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:09 +0000
                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2024-12-31 19:25 +0000
                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 11:46 -0500
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:27 +0100
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:16 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:57 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 18:50 -0500
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 02:30 +0100
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:55 +0000
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 07:05 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 01:00 +0000
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 16:15 +0000
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 16:39 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:00 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 19:08 -0500
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:30 -0600
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 07:00 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-30 12:53 -0500
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:52 +0000
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-30 13:01 -0500
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:56 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:25 +0000
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:57 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 16:45 +0000
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 19:31 +0000
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-01 14:50 -0500
                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 22:03 +0000
                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:41 +0000
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:33 +0000
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 00:15 -0500
                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 05:33 +0000
                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 22:03 +0000
                                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:32 +0000
                                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-04 04:50 +0000
                                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 08:52 +0000
                                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:42 +0000
                                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 01:05 +0000
                                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:59 +0000
                                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 10:01 -0500
                                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 10:29 -0500
                                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 10:38 -0500
                                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 11:45 -0500
                                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 12:00 -0500
                                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-04 18:01 +0000
                                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 13:59 -0500
                                                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-04 20:45 +0000
                                                                  The Desktop Environment (was: Re: The problem with not owning the software) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-05 03:05 +0000
                                                                    Re: The Desktop Environment (was: Re: The problem with not owning the software) pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-05 17:28 +0000
                                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-04 20:25 +0000
                                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-04 15:58 +0000
                                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-04 11:23 -0500
                                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-04 21:13 +0000
                                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-04 21:50 +0000
                                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:39 +0000
                                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 00:59 +0000
                                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 01:52 +0000
                                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 03:04 +0000
                                                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 16:07 +0000
                                                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:22 +0000
                                                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 08:23 +0000
                                                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 22:47 +0000
                                                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 00:12 +0000
                                                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-07 02:10 +0000
                                                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-07 02:31 +0000
                                                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 14:12 +0000
                                                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-08 02:26 +0000
                                                                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 13:28 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-08 21:28 +0000
                                                            [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 01:50 +0000
                                                              Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 03:01 +0000
                                                                Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 03:25 +0000
                                                                  Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 06:47 +0000
                                                                    Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 08:20 -0500
                                                                      Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-08 12:21 -0500
                                                                        Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-08 14:10 -0500
                                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 21:18 -0500
                                                              [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 02:34 +0000
                                                                Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 22:08 -0500
                                                                  Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-04 22:34 -0500
                                                                    Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-05 07:19 -0500
                                                                      Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-05 10:39 -0500
                                                                  Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 03:39 +0000
                                                                    Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 08:13 -0500
                                                                  Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-05 08:52 -0600
                                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 16:32 +0000
                                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 20:53 -0500
                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 21:26 -0500
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 06:38 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 07:17 -0500
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-12-29 13:19 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 08:48 -0500
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-29 08:02 -0600
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 09:08 -0500
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:32 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:46 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 20:56 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 17:03 -0500
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 23:32 -0600
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-05 11:05 -0500
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 13:29 -0500
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-05 13:53 -0500
                                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-05 15:08 -0500
                                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-06 10:17 -0500
                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 10:28 -0500
                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-06 11:26 -0500
                                              Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-06 12:34 -0500
                                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 12:40 -0500
                                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-06 14:23 -0500
                                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-06 16:27 -0500
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 13:21 -0500
                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2024-12-29 07:41 -0700
                        Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-30 19:05 -0500
                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 20:50 -0500
                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 22:05 +0000
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-03 09:09 -0500
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-03 20:33 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-03 21:00 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-03 23:28 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 21:17 -0500
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:57 +0000
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-04 22:25 -0500
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:19 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-04 04:49 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 01:10 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:52 +0000
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 15:55 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:20 +0000
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 08:11 +0000
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-06 16:16 -0500
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 22:46 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-11 11:36 +0000
                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 23:20 -0600
                  Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-30 18:58 -0500
                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:59 +0000
                      Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-31 02:18 -0500
                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 08:41 -0500
                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-31 13:08 -0500
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-31 13:54 -0500
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-31 19:26 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-01 07:43 -0500
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 10:32 -0500
                                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:37 +0000
                                      Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 19:43 -0500
                                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:47 +0000
                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 18:58 +0000
                        Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-31 19:25 +0000
                          Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-31 19:32 -0500
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-01 01:43 +0000
            Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 11:53 +0800
        Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
          Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 10:08 -0500
            Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:32 +0100
              Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 21:34 -0500
            Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 16:47 +0000
              Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 19:29 +0000
                Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:59 +0000
                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-02 18:01 -0500
                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 11:26 +0000
                        Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-03 08:55 -0500
                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 14:33 +0000
                          Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 19:32 -0500
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:46 +0000
                              Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-05 15:46 +0000
                                Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:17 +0000
                                  Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-06 14:57 +0000
                            Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:47 +0000
                      Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:14 +0000
                    Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:09 +0000
        Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-30 19:02 -0500
          Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-31 10:10 +0000
            Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 08:50 -0500
            Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-31 12:09 -0500
              Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-04 10:31 +0000
    Re: The problem with not owning the software bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-25 16:19 -0500

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#681535

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2024-12-29 00:32 +0000
Message-ID<ltbjk1FrgqvU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#681494
On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 15:07:39 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> Yeah, it sometimes pains me that it is brought up as often as it is as
> some sort of must-have piece of software. It suggests that people don't
> do much other than open up Word and Excel.

I'm the minority report. I have never used Office. I have no need for it 
in my personal life and the company never installed it on the programming 
machines. If we get RFPs or other documents in docx or xlsx we use 
LibreOffice. For me, that's a read-only thing since my attempts to edit 
anything were disasters. 

The first speadsheet I encountered was SuperCalc that was bundled on the 
Osborne 1 CP/M machine in '81. I never figured out how to use it or what 
it was good for. 40 years later I've never created any document with Excel 
or any other spreadsheet. The closest I've come is I'm told the Power BI 
queries are based on Excel's. Even then I was mining a SQL Server 
database, not anything created in Excel.

Office sofware in general is a whole other world for me. People are 
welcome to it but saying you must only do simple programming because you 
can't write a VBA script for Office is beyond sheer ignorance.

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#681544

Fromant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
Date2024-12-29 01:43 +0000
Message-ID<zKecnbsivueyNO36nZ2dnZfqn_HTpa6r@earthlink.com>
In reply to#681535
In alt.comp.os.windows-11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 15:07:39 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> > Yeah, it sometimes pains me that it is brought up as often as it is as
> > some sort of must-have piece of software. It suggests that people don't
> > do much other than open up Word and Excel.

> I'm the minority report. I have never used Office. I have no need for it 
> in my personal life and the company never installed it on the programming 
> machines. If we get RFPs or other documents in docx or xlsx we use 
> LibreOffice. For me, that's a read-only thing since my attempts to edit 
> anything were disasters. 

What do you use to edit/create documents and spreadsheets with others?


> The first speadsheet I encountered was SuperCalc that was bundled on the 
> Osborne 1 CP/M machine in '81. I never figured out how to use it or what 
> it was good for. 40 years later I've never created any document with Excel 
> or any other spreadsheet. The closest I've come is I'm told the Power BI 
> queries are based on Excel's. Even then I was mining a SQL Server 
> database, not anything created in Excel.

> Office sofware in general is a whole other world for me. People are 
> welcome to it but saying you must only do simple programming because you 
> can't write a VBA script for Office is beyond sheer ignorance.

I'm surprised you don't do any documents. I have been using word 
processors since I was in elementary with Apple 2's AppleWorks.

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#681545

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-28 20:52 -0500
Message-ID<pla1nj1pgec50qe7mkfm43bqnlo1qe52sn@4ax.com>
In reply to#681544
ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

>I have been using word 
>processors since I was in elementary with Apple 2's AppleWorks.


I used it to write my second-semester college-English research paper,
in 1996, because the Winblows computer was shared among the family,
and I could set up the Apple //e in my room.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#681567

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2024-12-29 07:05 +0000
Message-ID<ltcaleFb5sU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#681545
On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 20:52:53 -0500, Joel wrote:

> ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
> 
>>I have been using word processors since I was in elementary with Apple
>>2's AppleWorks.
> 
> 
> I used it to write my second-semester college-English research paper,
> in 1996, because the Winblows computer was shared among the family, and
> I could set up the Apple //e in my room.

The computer I used in college, an IBM 360/30, didn't have much in the way 
of word processing software :)

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#681565

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2024-12-29 06:58 +0000
Message-ID<ltca8sFb5sU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#681544
On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 01:43:11 +0000, Ant wrote:

> What do you use to edit/create documents and spreadsheets with others?

I don't. Anything I create is done with Vim. For external use we have tech 
writers that make it pretty. My attempts to edit RFPs with LibreOffice 
don't work well, so I either use Vim and reference the sections or print 
relevant pages and use a pen.

As far as program descriptions, expected behavior, parameters, and so 
forth, it's all entered into Jira directly.  The tech writer extracts it 
to create a FSD (functional specification document) for the clients.

I have never created a spreadsheet or had a reason to. Most of the 
spreadsheets I receive for RFPs don't make use of a spreadsheet's 
capabilities as I understand them. They're a convenient row and column 
form to enter freeform data. 

> I'm surprised you don't do any documents. I have been using word
> processors since I was in elementary with Apple 2's AppleWorks.

When I was in elementary school the Apple II was close to 20 years in the 
future. As a programmer you tend to read documents and produce software. 
Before I gradually moved to software with the advent of microprocessors I 
would read documents and produce schematics or sometimes logic flowcharts 
if necessary. Those were done on a drawing board with a 2H pencil and a 
handful of plastic templates.


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#681623

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2024-12-29 21:17 +0100
Message-ID<cbn84lxaeu.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#681565
On 2024-12-29 07:58, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 01:43:11 +0000, Ant wrote:
> 
>> What do you use to edit/create documents and spreadsheets with others?
> 
> I don't. Anything I create is done with Vim. For external use we have tech
> writers that make it pretty. My attempts to edit RFPs with LibreOffice
> don't work well, so I either use Vim and reference the sections or print
> relevant pages and use a pen.

Amazing that none of you has mentioned latex. You can edit documents 
with vi.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#681626

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2024-12-29 20:41 +0000
Message-ID<vksfmo.c4s.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to#681623
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
[...]

> Amazing that none of you has mentioned latex.

  This isn't that kind of group!

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#681649

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2024-12-29 23:31 +0100
Message-ID<e6v84lxb5m.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#681626
On 2024-12-29 21:41, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> [...]
> 
>> Amazing that none of you has mentioned latex.
> 
>    This isn't that kind of group!

Latex is software :-P

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#681711

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2024-12-30 10:56 +0000
Message-ID<vku1ov.10qc.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to#681649
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-12-29 21:41, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> > [...]
> > 
> >> Amazing that none of you has mentioned latex.
> > 
> >    This isn't that kind of group!
> 
> Latex is software :-P

  Obviously, but as you used all lowercase, it screamed for a pun. And
of course, it's 'LaTeX'.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX>

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#681825

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2024-12-31 03:24 +0100
Message-ID<f81c4lxlhi.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#681711
On 2024-12-30 11:56, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-29 21:41, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> Amazing that none of you has mentioned latex.
>>>
>>>     This isn't that kind of group!
>>
>> Latex is software :-P
> 
>    Obviously, but as you used all lowercase, it screamed for a pun. And
> of course, it's 'LaTeX'.
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX>

Well, I do not talk LaTeX, so I do not know.

I do know, though, that I do have a command named "latex" in my computer.

cer@Telcontar:~> latex --version
pdfTeX 3.141592653-2.6-1.40.22 (TeX Live 2021/TeX Live for SUSE Linux)
kpathsea version 6.3.3
Copyright 2021 Han The Thanh (pdfTeX) et al.
There is NO warranty.  Redistribution of this software is
covered by the terms of both the pdfTeX copyright and
the Lesser GNU General Public License.
For more information about these matters, see the file
named COPYING and the pdfTeX source.
Primary author of pdfTeX: Han The Thanh (pdfTeX) et al.
Compiled with libpng 1.6.34; using libpng 1.6.34
Compiled with zlib 1.2.11; using zlib 1.2.13
Compiled with xpdf version 4.03
cer@Telcontar:~>


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#681875

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2024-12-31 13:50 +0000
Message-ID<vl10bt.ui0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to#681825
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-12-30 11:56, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 2024-12-29 21:41, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> >>> [...]
> >>>
> >>>> Amazing that none of you has mentioned latex.
> >>>
> >>>     This isn't that kind of group!
> >>
> >> Latex is software :-P
> > 
> >    Obviously, but as you used all lowercase, it screamed for a pun. And
> > of course, it's 'LaTeX'.
> > 
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX>
> 
> Well, I do not talk LaTeX, so I do not know.
> 
> I do know, though, that I do have a command named "latex" in my computer.
> 
> cer@Telcontar:~> latex --version
> pdfTeX 3.141592653-2.6-1.40.22 (TeX Live 2021/TeX Live for SUSE Linux)
> kpathsea version 6.3.3
> Copyright 2021 Han The Thanh (pdfTeX) et al.
> There is NO warranty.  Redistribution of this software is
> covered by the terms of both the pdfTeX copyright and
> the Lesser GNU General Public License.
> For more information about these matters, see the file
> named COPYING and the pdfTeX source.
> Primary author of pdfTeX: Han The Thanh (pdfTeX) et al.
> Compiled with libpng 1.6.34; using libpng 1.6.34
> Compiled with zlib 1.2.11; using zlib 1.2.13
> Compiled with xpdf version 4.03
> cer@Telcontar:~>

  Yes, I know you use Linux, so I indeed assumed that lowercase 'latex'
is a command on Linux.

  I've never used LaTeX either, but from the Wikipedia ppage, I
understand that LaTeX is the markup/formatting language and that
<something>TeX<something> is the software/program which processes that
language. That understanding id confirmed by the fact that your
'latex --version' output mentions '<something>TeX<something>', but not
'LaTeX'.

  Bottom line: Two guys talking about something they don't know anything
about! :-)

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#681897

FromChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
Date2024-12-31 13:18 -0500
Message-ID<vl1cgq$2bb09$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#681875
Frank Slootweg wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-30 11:56, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> >> On 2024-12-29 21:41, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> >>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> >>> [...]
>> >>>
>> >>>> Amazing that none of you has mentioned latex.
>> >>>
>> >>>     This isn't that kind of group!
>> >>
>> >> Latex is software :-P
>> > 
>> >    Obviously, but as you used all lowercase, it screamed for a pun. And
>> > of course, it's 'LaTeX'.
>> > 
>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX>
>> 
>> Well, I do not talk LaTeX, so I do not know.
>> 
>> I do know, though, that I do have a command named "latex" in my computer.
>> 
>> cer@Telcontar:~> latex --version
>> pdfTeX 3.141592653-2.6-1.40.22 (TeX Live 2021/TeX Live for SUSE Linux)
>> kpathsea version 6.3.3
>> Copyright 2021 Han The Thanh (pdfTeX) et al.
>> There is NO warranty.  Redistribution of this software is
>> covered by the terms of both the pdfTeX copyright and
>> the Lesser GNU General Public License.
>> For more information about these matters, see the file
>> named COPYING and the pdfTeX source.
>> Primary author of pdfTeX: Han The Thanh (pdfTeX) et al.
>> Compiled with libpng 1.6.34; using libpng 1.6.34
>> Compiled with zlib 1.2.11; using zlib 1.2.13
>> Compiled with xpdf version 4.03
>> cer@Telcontar:~>
>
>   Yes, I know you use Linux, so I indeed assumed that lowercase 'latex'
> is a command on Linux.
>
>   I've never used LaTeX either, but from the Wikipedia ppage, I
> understand that LaTeX is the markup/formatting language and that
> <something>TeX<something> is the software/program which processes that
> language. That understanding id confirmed by the fact that your
> 'latex --version' output mentions '<something>TeX<something>', but not
> 'LaTeX'.
>
>   Bottom line: Two guys talking about something they don't know anything
> about! :-)

LaTeX is a buncha wrapper macros to simplify TeX, I think.

I use LaTeX to generate a couple of large documents (only 300 pages each)
with table contents, list of tables, list of figure, and an index. It took me
awhile to create a nice look, but one benefit is being able to use vi to
generate PDFs. Another benefit is avoiding wrestling with a GUI.

There's a document processor, LyX, based on TeX and LaTeX, if you want a GUI.
(There are others as well).

-- 
Don't mind him; politicians always sound like that.

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#681907

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2024-12-31 19:14 +0000
Message-ID<ltiu5cF2k4sU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#681897
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 13:18:02 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> LaTeX is a buncha wrapper macros to simplify TeX, I think.

All I know is 'Tex' is not pronounced like 'Tex Ritter'.

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#682040

FromChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
Date2025-01-01 07:44 -0500
Message-ID<vl3dc8$2ov5h$9@dont-email.me>
In reply to#681907
rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 13:18:02 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> LaTeX is a buncha wrapper macros to simplify TeX, I think.
>
> All I know is 'Tex' is not pronounced like 'Tex Ritter'.

A friend of mine always chuckles when I mention "latex".

-- 
Life is both difficult and time-consuming.

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#682168

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-01-02 00:22 +0000
Message-ID<ltm4ibFiclgU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#682040
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 07:44:55 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
> 
>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 13:18:02 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> LaTeX is a buncha wrapper macros to simplify TeX, I think.
>>
>> All I know is 'Tex' is not pronounced like 'Tex Ritter'.
> 
> A friend of mine always chuckles when I mention "latex".

Do purists pronounce that like the Hawk Tuah girl?

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#682250

FromChris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Date2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Message-ID<vl5vlo$3b63u$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#682168
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 07:44:55 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> 
>> rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>> 
>>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 13:18:02 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> 
>>>> LaTeX is a buncha wrapper macros to simplify TeX, I think.
>>> 
>>> All I know is 'Tex' is not pronounced like 'Tex Ritter'.
>> 
>> A friend of mine always chuckles when I mention "latex".
> 
> Do purists pronounce that like the Hawk Tuah girl?

Very few people pronounce anything like her. Other than perhaps "crypto
scam". 

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#682345

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-01-02 19:36 +0000
Message-ID<lto85cFso18U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#682250
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:


> Very few people pronounce anything like her. Other than perhaps "crypto
> scam".

That was interesting. My mind hasn't quite unraveled the whole crypto that 
doesn't really have any crypto behind it but then I never understood NFTs 
either.  I guess there is an unlimited supply of greater fools.

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#682672

FromChris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Date2025-01-04 02:09 +0000
Message-ID<vla58n$5r8r$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#682345
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
> 
> 
>> Very few people pronounce anything like her. Other than perhaps "crypto
>> scam".
> 
> That was interesting. My mind hasn't quite unraveled the whole crypto that 
> doesn't really have any crypto behind it but then I never understood NFTs 
> either.  I guess there is an unlimited supply of greater fools.

I feel she was also taken advantage of. 

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#681909

FromFarley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks>
Date2024-12-31 19:25 +0000
Message-ID<181659812d967b93$20288$32720$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>
In reply to#681897
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 13:18:02 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> 
> LaTeX is a buncha wrapper macros to simplify TeX, I think.
> 

LaTex is the global standard for mathematical typesetting.

Regarding mathematics publishing of any kind, there is no mention,
and there never was any mention, and there never will be any mention,
of Microslop.

It's FOSS LaTex all the way!

Microslop is for brain-dead secretaries what cannot even
add 2+2.





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Gentoo: The Fastest GNU/Linux Hands Down

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#682795

FromDFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca>
Date2025-01-04 11:46 -0500
Message-ID<vlbolr$homt$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#681909
On 12/31/2024 2:25 PM, Lameass Larry Piet wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 13:18:02 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> 
>>
>> LaTeX is a buncha wrapper macros to simplify TeX, I think.
>>
> 
> LaTex is the global standard for mathematical typesetting.
> 
> Regarding mathematics publishing of any kind, there is no mention,
> and there never was any mention, and there never will be any mention,
> of Microslop.


Another of Feeb's daily lies and ignorance:

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"I write Math books in MS Word 2007 with Mathtype 6.0 for writting 
equations."  Dec 2013

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"I am writing a book using MS Word 2007. The book will have lots of 
mathematical calculations, equations, formulas, square-root symbols, 
squares and cube symbols, etc. and will span across algebra, polynomial 
equations, differentiation, integration, etc." Aug 2019

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"I used to work for an academic press, and we accepted all our journal 
articles in word except for one math journal that was in TeX." 2021

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"Over the past few decades, I’ve written hundreds of technical documents 
containing diagrams, tables, and mathematics, including a 400 page book 
about computer geometry.

Prior to starting the book, I used MS Word for everything. For the book, 
I switched back and forth between Word and LaTeX 3 or 4 times, and 
eventually settled on LaTeX. I still use MS Word or Google Docs for 
everything except books.

It took me a very long time to get the formatting set up the way I 
wanted in LaTeX. The memoir package was a big help — in the LaTeX world 
the solution to every problem is “there’s a package”. But your publisher 
might give you a document template, anyway, so you’ll have no choice 
about formatting.

Creating tables in LaTeX is ridiculously complicated, compared to MS 
Word. For diagrams, the TeX purists favor tools like Tikz and Asymptote, 
in which you essentially create a picture by writing code. I find this 
approach impossible, so I make pictures in drawing packages, or 
PowerPoint, or CAD systems, and include them in the LaTeX document as 
PDF. That works fine.

I think LaTeX is faster for simple in-line math, but for big complex 
equations, I find Word faster because I can see the equation emerging as 
I type it, so I make fewer mistakes.

In the end, I chose LaTeX because I very much like the appearance of the 
Computer Modern fonts, and getting those to work in MS Word was painful. 
But some publishers will insist on changing fonts, anyway." Jun 2021
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Also:
https://superuser.com/questions/340650/type-math-formulas-in-microsoft-word-the-latex-way

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Typing_Mathematics_in_Microsoft_Word

https://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/q4be8m/why_microsoft_word_isnt_much_used_for_writing/



> It's FOSS LaTex all the way!

Definitely not.



> Microslop is for brain-dead secretaries what cannot even
> add 2+2.

Say there Jethro, how many prime numbers in that equation?

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