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| Started by | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| First post | 2024-12-17 05:09 +0000 |
| Last post | 2024-12-17 21:16 +0000 |
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Linux-hating Windoze concern trolls, listen up vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-17 05:09 +0000
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-17 05:56 +0000
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-17 06:20 +0000
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 08:47 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 21:10 +0000
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 18:10 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 08:51 -0700
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-17 16:23 +0000
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 09:27 -0700
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-17 20:16 +0000
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 17:40 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-18 05:58 +0000
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-18 08:21 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-18 19:27 +0000
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-20 01:28 +0000
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 08:46 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-18 19:59 +0000
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-18 15:20 -0600
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-18 15:27 -0600
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 19:50 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-18 19:57 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-18 22:41 -0600
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 08:48 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-19 16:07 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 17:19 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-21 07:30 -0600
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-21 08:47 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-21 18:58 +0000
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-19 05:30 +0000
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-21 07:43 -0600
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-21 18:46 +0000
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-22 07:44 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-22 07:37 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 19:44 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 11:46 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 21:12 +0000
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 18:11 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 11:29 +0000
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 09:23 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-18 12:05 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 12:16 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-18 17:40 +0000
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 12:58 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 13:35 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-18 17:34 +0000
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 19:46 -0600
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 12:58 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 13:27 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-18 13:31 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-18 16:17 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-19 07:55 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-20 09:00 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-20 09:04 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 08:31 +0000
Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 08:20 +0000
Re: Linux-hating Windoze concern trolls, listen up Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-17 08:08 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Windoze concern trolls, listen up CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 08:44 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Windoze concern trolls, listen up RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 21:07 +0000
Re: Linux-hating Windoze concern trolls, listen up CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 18:07 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Windoze concern trolls, listen up Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 10:47 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Windoze concern trolls, listen up CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 10:56 -0500
Re: Linux-hating Windoze concern trolls, listen up RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 21:16 +0000
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-18 19:57 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up |
| Message-ID | <vjvr1f$2f7c6$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #680738 |
On 12/18/24 4:27 PM, chrisv wrote: > chrisv wrote: > >> I tend to agree, that the TPMS requirement for Win11 is not such a bad >> thing. > > s/TPMS/TPM/ > > Can you tell that I recently bought some new tires for my car? > Should have said you were in the market, for I have a set of dedicated snows on four rims that I'm looking to sell: 18” x 8" BBS SR's (bolt pattern 5 x 112mm), complete with TPMS sensors & 235/60R18 Continental Viking Contact 7 snow tires w/good tread. -hh
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-18 22:41 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up |
| Message-ID | <ng87mj9vu3ndfipm3pk89qrl8o97uk6e20@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #680749 |
-hh wrote: > chrisv wrote: >> chrisv wrote: >> >>> I tend to agree, that the TPMS requirement for Win11 is not such a bad >>> thing. >> >> s/TPMS/TPM/ >> >> Can you tell that I recently bought some new tires for my car? > >Should have said you were in the market, for I have a set of dedicated >snows on four rims that I'm looking to sell: 18” x 8" BBS SR's (bolt >pattern 5 x 112mm), complete with TPMS sensors & 235/60R18 Continental >Viking Contact 7 snow tires w/good tread. Shipping those would be expensive... The wheels would fit, I think, but the the 60 profile is taller than my 45's. From an SUV, I would assume. I went with Michelin X-Ice tires, breaking from many years of running Dunlop Winter Sports. -- "COLA losers like chrisv detest success of any kind. It's as simple as that." - Hadron Quark, lying shamelessly
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2024-12-19 08:48 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up |
| Message-ID | <puV8P.8807$62H.8095@fx36.iad> |
| In reply to | #680756 |
Le 2024-12-18 à 23:41, chrisv a écrit : > -hh wrote: > >> chrisv wrote: >>> chrisv wrote: >>> >>>> I tend to agree, that the TPMS requirement for Win11 is not such a bad >>>> thing. >>> >>> s/TPMS/TPM/ >>> >>> Can you tell that I recently bought some new tires for my car? >> >> Should have said you were in the market, for I have a set of dedicated >> snows on four rims that I'm looking to sell: 18” x 8" BBS SR's (bolt >> pattern 5 x 112mm), complete with TPMS sensors & 235/60R18 Continental >> Viking Contact 7 snow tires w/good tread. > > Shipping those would be expensive... The wheels would fit, I think, > but the the 60 profile is taller than my 45's. From an SUV, I would > assume. > > I went with Michelin X-Ice tires, breaking from many years of running > Dunlop Winter Sports. My previous QX60 had Michelin X-Ice and they were wonderful. For the longest time, they were the top-rated winter tires and have only recently been surpassed by Toyo's offering. I wanted the same thing on my new vehicle but they only had a choice of either Continental or Yokohama. Since Continental is the absolute worst garbage I've ever owned (bubbles form on the side of the tires after about 15,000km), you can imagine what I purchased. -- CrudeSausage
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-19 16:07 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up |
| Message-ID | <vk21vb$310ii$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #680781 |
On 12/19/24 8:48 AM, CrudeSausage wrote: > Le 2024-12-18 à 23:41, chrisv a écrit : >> -hh wrote: >> >>> chrisv wrote: >>>> chrisv wrote: >>>> >>>>> I tend to agree, that the TPMS requirement for Win11 is not such a bad >>>>> thing. >>>> >>>> s/TPMS/TPM/ >>>> >>>> Can you tell that I recently bought some new tires for my car? >>> >>> Should have said you were in the market, for I have a set of dedicated >>> snows on four rims that I'm looking to sell: 18” x 8" BBS SR's (bolt >>> pattern 5 x 112mm), complete with TPMS sensors & 235/60R18 Continental >>> Viking Contact 7 snow tires w/good tread. >> >> Shipping those would be expensive... The wheels would fit, I think, >> but the the 60 profile is taller than my 45's. From an SUV, I would >> assume. Shipping could be costly, but you're in FIOS land, so it geographically wouldn't necessarily be too far of a drive, especially if we split it. And yes, these are SUV; I'd moved along the sedan set a few years back. >> I went with Michelin X-Ice tires, breaking from many years of running >> Dunlop Winter Sports. > > My previous QX60 had Michelin X-Ice and they were wonderful. For the > longest time, they were the top-rated winter tires and have only > recently been surpassed by Toyo's offering. I wanted the same thing on > my new vehicle but they only had a choice of either Continental or > Yokohama. Since Continental is the absolute worst garbage I've ever > owned (bubbles form on the side of the tires after about 15,000km), you > can imagine what I purchased. My preferences for winter snows has long been Vredstein, but the family shop that I'd been using for decades couldn't get them in stock during CoVid when I last needed to buy a replacement set, so I settled on the Continentals. Conti is an okay provider...given sufficient years, one can probably find some complaint about most any of them - - case in point, I've had good success with Michelin, but ten years ago, I had a horrible time with a set which had a loud harmonic vibration which occurred only at my preferred long distance highway cruising speed. -hh
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2024-12-19 17:19 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up |
| Message-ID | <b_09P.31038$DYF8.6732@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #680815 |
Le 2024-12-19 à 16:07, -hh a écrit : > On 12/19/24 8:48 AM, CrudeSausage wrote: >> Le 2024-12-18 à 23:41, chrisv a écrit : >>> -hh wrote: >>> >>>> chrisv wrote: >>>>> chrisv wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I tend to agree, that the TPMS requirement for Win11 is not such a >>>>>> bad >>>>>> thing. >>>>> >>>>> s/TPMS/TPM/ >>>>> >>>>> Can you tell that I recently bought some new tires for my car? >>>> >>>> Should have said you were in the market, for I have a set of dedicated >>>> snows on four rims that I'm looking to sell: 18” x 8" BBS SR's (bolt >>>> pattern 5 x 112mm), complete with TPMS sensors & 235/60R18 Continental >>>> Viking Contact 7 snow tires w/good tread. >>> >>> Shipping those would be expensive... The wheels would fit, I think, >>> but the the 60 profile is taller than my 45's. From an SUV, I would >>> assume. > > Shipping could be costly, but you're in FIOS land, so it geographically > wouldn't necessarily be too far of a drive, especially if we split it. > And yes, these are SUV; I'd moved along the sedan set a few years back. > > >>> I went with Michelin X-Ice tires, breaking from many years of running >>> Dunlop Winter Sports. >> >> My previous QX60 had Michelin X-Ice and they were wonderful. For the >> longest time, they were the top-rated winter tires and have only >> recently been surpassed by Toyo's offering. I wanted the same thing on >> my new vehicle but they only had a choice of either Continental or >> Yokohama. Since Continental is the absolute worst garbage I've ever >> owned (bubbles form on the side of the tires after about 15,000km), >> you can imagine what I purchased. > > My preferences for winter snows has long been Vredstein, but the family > shop that I'd been using for decades couldn't get them in stock during > CoVid when I last needed to buy a replacement set, so I settled on the > Continentals. Conti is an okay provider...given sufficient years, one > can probably find some complaint about most any of them - - case in > point, I've had good success with Michelin, but ten years ago, I had a > horrible time with a set which had a loud harmonic vibration which > occurred only at my preferred long distance highway cruising speed. Continentals were once responsible for putting my wife and child in danger. The rear tire on the passenger side had a bubble develop and blow about two minutes before she was set to drive on the highway. Had it blown there, she would likely have crashed the car and died. Another tire from the set eventually developed the same thing before I just got rid of them entirely. I haven't yet used the all-season tires on my new car (I got it on October 31st and immediately had them put on the winter tires), but I'm already dreading putting on the shit Continentals it came with. -- CrudeSausage
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-21 07:30 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up |
| Message-ID | <0hgdmj9c0mct4qp7j3uhp25qmap06jkgnk@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #680815 |
-hh wrote: > CrudeSausage wrote: >> >> chrisv wrote: >>> >>> I went with Michelin X-Ice tires, breaking from many years of running >>> Dunlop Winter Sports. >> >> My previous QX60 had Michelin X-Ice and they were wonderful. For the >> longest time, they were the top-rated winter tires and have only >> recently been surpassed by Toyo's offering. I wanted the same thing on >> my new vehicle but they only had a choice of either Continental or >> Yokohama. Since Continental is the absolute worst garbage I've ever >> owned (bubbles form on the side of the tires after about 15,000km), you >> can imagine what I purchased. > >My preferences for winter snows has long been Vredstein, but the family >shop that I'd been using for decades couldn't get them in stock during >CoVid when I last needed to buy a replacement set, so I settled on the >Continentals. Conti is an okay provider...given sufficient years, one >can probably find some complaint about most any of them - - case in >point, I've had good success with Michelin, but ten years ago, I had a >horrible time with a set which had a loud harmonic vibration which >occurred only at my preferred long distance highway cruising speed. AFAIK, the most "serious" Winter tires are made by Nokian, based in Finland. I had a set of them long ago on my FWD Honda Predule Si, and that thing was unstoppable in the snow. Of course, you do pay a price in dry-road performance.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2024-12-21 08:47 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up |
| Message-ID | <4Gz9P.41016$DYF8.25802@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #680988 |
Le 2024-12-21 à 08:30, chrisv a écrit : > -hh wrote: > >> CrudeSausage wrote: >>> >>> chrisv wrote: >>>> >>>> I went with Michelin X-Ice tires, breaking from many years of running >>>> Dunlop Winter Sports. >>> >>> My previous QX60 had Michelin X-Ice and they were wonderful. For the >>> longest time, they were the top-rated winter tires and have only >>> recently been surpassed by Toyo's offering. I wanted the same thing on >>> my new vehicle but they only had a choice of either Continental or >>> Yokohama. Since Continental is the absolute worst garbage I've ever >>> owned (bubbles form on the side of the tires after about 15,000km), you >>> can imagine what I purchased. >> >> My preferences for winter snows has long been Vredstein, but the family >> shop that I'd been using for decades couldn't get them in stock during >> CoVid when I last needed to buy a replacement set, so I settled on the >> Continentals. Conti is an okay provider...given sufficient years, one >> can probably find some complaint about most any of them - - case in >> point, I've had good success with Michelin, but ten years ago, I had a >> horrible time with a set which had a loud harmonic vibration which >> occurred only at my preferred long distance highway cruising speed. > > AFAIK, the most "serious" Winter tires are made by Nokian, based in > Finland. I had a set of them long ago on my FWD Honda Predule Si, and > that thing was unstoppable in the snow. Of course, you do pay a price > in dry-road performance. Unstoppable in that it was excellent or that the car wouldn't stop? -- CrudeSausage
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-21 18:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up |
| Message-ID | <lsohfiFpkocU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #680988 |
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 07:30:48 -0600, chrisv wrote: > AFAIK, the most "serious" Winter tires are made by Nokian, based in > Finland. I had a set of them long ago on my FWD Honda Predule Si, and > that thing was unstoppable in the snow. Of course, you do pay a price > in dry-road performance. I wasn't able to find them when I bought this set but the previous set was Nokian Hakkapeliittas and they really worked well. Unfortunately they were on the car that was totaled by a snow plow and I didn't have a spare set to swap on the wreck. Nokian used to make studded bicycle tires but all I see now at Schwalbe and 45Nrth. My winter cycling days are over anyway.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-19 05:30 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up |
| Message-ID | <lshpbeFn03cU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #680738 |
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 15:27:54 -0600, chrisv wrote: > chrisv wrote: > >>I tend to agree, that the TPMS requirement for Win11 is not such a bad >>thing. > > s/TPMS/TPM/ > > Can you tell that I recently bought some new tires for my car? Great feature! The wheels my winter tires are mounted on don't have sensors so I learn to live with the little orange icon. No problem. I learned to use a pressure gauge a long time ago although I finally went digital. It was hard to get 35.3 psi exactly with the old stick gauges :) Another instance of digital stuff telling fairy tales.
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-21 07:43 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up |
| Message-ID | <7pgdmjdvubcr0mpad9r6csp7ovgqld994s@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #680759 |
rbowman wrote: > chrisv wrote: >> >> s/TPMS/TPM/ >> >> Can you tell that I recently bought some new tires for my car? > >Great feature! The wheels my winter tires are mounted on don't have >sensors so I learn to live with the little orange icon. My orange icon is off for now, but I also live with it being on, much of the time. I swap tires and wheels myself, Spring and Fall, and don't have the tool to move the car to the alternate set of sensors. The fscking assholes who made my car thought that it wasn't important for the computer to be able to remember two sets of sensors and allow switching between them. They must have saved an entire dollar. Assholes. I read somewhere that newer cars are smart enough to just lock onto the four sensors that are usually the closest and spinning in unison. I don't know if that's universal, though. My daughter's Accord doesn't use sensors at all, comparing wheel speeds to determine loss of pressure. >I learned to use a pressure gauge a long time ago although I finally went >digital. It was hard to get 35.3 psi exactly with the old stick gauges :) Mine's analog, but it is a good-quality dial gage that holds peak pressure. So, unlike a stick gage, you don't need to be good at that initial push onto the valve.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-21 18:46 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up |
| Message-ID | <lsogoqFpkocU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #680989 |
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 07:43:53 -0600, chrisv wrote: > I read somewhere that newer cars are smart enough to just lock onto the > four sensors that are usually the closest and spinning in unison. > I don't know if that's universal, though. My daughter's Accord doesn't > use sensors at all, comparing wheel speeds to determine loss of > pressure. For a couple of weeks before I swapped the tires I was getting the low pressure alert. The first time was disconcerting since i was out at the range which is outside of town. I checked the pressures and one was 29 psi so I got out the inflater and brought them all up to 35. Eventually the light went off. Then it came on again on a rough road out to a trailhead. I did a walk around. Everything looked okay so I ignored it. The next day it was off, and then a day later it was on. I bought the car in 2020 but it was a leftover 2018. Because of covid it only has 27,000 miles, less than that on the street tires because of the swap so they're OEM. The only thing I can think of is one or more of the batteries in the sensors are starting to fail. PITA. I'll check the tread and may get new tires in the spring along with a sensor replacement. Linux: or I can use one of the Linux boxes to flash a Pico after figuring out how to spoof a TPMS signal.
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-22 07:44 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up |
| Message-ID | <vk91ik$2ids$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681004 |
On 12/21/24 1:46 PM, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 07:43:53 -0600, chrisv wrote: > >> I read somewhere that newer cars are smart enough to just lock onto the >> four sensors that are usually the closest and spinning in unison. >> I don't know if that's universal, though. My daughter's Accord doesn't >> use sensors at all, comparing wheel speeds to determine loss of >> pressure. > > For a couple of weeks before I swapped the tires I was getting the low > pressure alert. The first time was disconcerting since i was out at the > range which is outside of town. I checked the pressures and one was 29 psi > so I got out the inflater and brought them all up to 35. Eventually the > light went off. Then it came on again on a rough road out to a trailhead. > I did a walk around. Everything looked okay so I ignored it. The next day > it was off, and then a day later it was on. > > I bought the car in 2020 but it was a leftover 2018. Because of covid it > only has 27,000 miles, less than that on the street tires because of the > swap so they're OEM. The only thing I can think of is one or more of the > batteries in the sensors are starting to fail. PITA. I'll check the tread > and may get new tires in the spring along with a sensor replacement. It could be a premature battery failure, or it might be a bad/damaged sensor pickup at the wheel location .. latter can happen from road debris, and/or off-roading. If the TPMS system tells you which tire is low, you could do some troubleshooting by doing a tire rotation to see if the "low" follows the tire or stays at the same location. -hh
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-22 07:37 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up |
| Message-ID | <vk916o$2ids$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #680989 |
On 12/21/24 8:43 AM, chrisv wrote: > rbowman wrote: > >> chrisv wrote: >>> >>> s/TPMS/TPM/ >>> >>> Can you tell that I recently bought some new tires for my car? >> >> Great feature! The wheels my winter tires are mounted on don't have >> sensors so I learn to live with the little orange icon. > > My orange icon is off for now, but I also live with it being on, much > of the time. I swap tires and wheels myself, Spring and Fall, and > don't have the tool to move the car to the alternate set of sensors. > The fscking assholes who made my car thought that it wasn't important > for the computer to be able to remember two sets of sensors and allow > switching between them. They must have saved an entire dollar. > Assholes. I've never heard of OEMs requiring a special tool for (re)learning TPMS's, but its apparently a common-enough thing. I've only had to use some dashboard buttons to push to relearn, but it does look like there's some cheap 'relearn' tools these days; this example's under $10: <https://www.walmart.com/ip/Universal-Tire-Pressure-Monitor-Activation-Relearn-Assistant-Car-TPMS-Reset-Tool/7740856280> Of course, the TPMS sensors themselves aren't that cheap... > I read somewhere that newer cars are smart enough to just lock onto > the four sensors that are usually the closest and spinning in unison. > I don't know if that's universal, though. I've not seen that solution (yet?). It can be interesting to have 8 sensors active when one paid a tire shop to do the swap and there's the old set in the trunk & new set on the wheels. > My daughter's Accord > doesn't use sensors at all, comparing wheel speeds to determine loss > of pressure. A clever approach, although it still needs some degree of calibration input in order to know what's "too low", etc. >> I learned to use a pressure gauge a long time ago although I finally went >> digital. It was hard to get 35.3 psi exactly with the old stick gauges :) > > Mine's analog, but it is a good-quality dial gage that holds peak > pressure. So, unlike a stick gage, you don't need to be good at that > initial push onto the valve. These days, the challenge is in remembering to periodically check, as reliability performance makes it easy to go months between actually needing a top-up. -hh
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2024-12-18 19:44 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up |
| Message-ID | <V%J8P.43785$%aWb.36011@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #680735 |
Le 2024-12-18 à 16:20, chrisv a écrit : > CrudeSausage wrote: > >> Microsoft has no obligation to allow people to get a >> decade worth of usage from their computers and they are free to use >> Linux is buying new hardware bothers them that much. > > I tend to agree, that the TPMS requirementfor Win11 is not such a bad > thing. > > I thought that I once read that M$ would offer, for a fee, extended > Win10 security updates for those who want to keep their old hardware > viable. That would be a reasonable solution to the problem. They're going ahead with it and will charge a small fee that only increases with each passing year. Owners of 2018 machines offended that Microsoft won't support their seven-year-old hardware in Windows 11 will still be able to get nine years of support out of their purchase if they agree to pay. After that, they're free to use Linux or buy new hardware. It sucks, but I recall paying a ton of money for a new computer in 1991 that was already grossly outdated by 1992. Back then, technology moved forward and you had no choice but to upgrade to move forward with it. That Microsoft manages ten years of support per operating system is already more than than Apple provides and way more than any company was willing to offer back in the 90s. Sure, it's not as good as Linux but that doesn't even matter. -- CrudeSausage
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2024-12-17 11:46 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up |
| Message-ID | <qVh8P.26722$ZAue.10199@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #680583 |
Le 2024-12-17 à 11:23, vallor a écrit : > On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 08:51:12 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in > <Ck2dnSLtXetyAPz6nZ2dnZfqn_sAAAAA@giganews.com>: > >> vallor wrote: >>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 05:56:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vjr3qj$1it5e$1@dont-email.me>: >>> >>>> On 17 Dec 2024 05:09:30 GMT, vallor wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's almost as if Microsoft has decided its customers are now its >>>>> beta-testers. >>>> >>>> You mean, you just discovered? Some of us noticed this happening years >>>> ago. >>> >>> They're more overt about it now. >>> >>> It's too bad that anti-trust enforcement is so defanged in our >>> government. The whole "TPM 2 for Windows 11" thing is screwing up the >>> marketplace. >>> >> my market place is fine > > Your computer is new enough to have TPM 2. > > Some folks aren't so lucky... Those who don't have TPM 2 are free to use Linux or buy a new computer. -- CrudeSausage
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-17 21:12 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up |
| Message-ID | <vjspft$1sthq$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #680586 |
On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > Le 2024-12-17 à 11:23, vallor a écrit : >> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 08:51:12 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in >> <Ck2dnSLtXetyAPz6nZ2dnZfqn_sAAAAA@giganews.com>: >> >>> vallor wrote: >>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 05:56:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vjr3qj$1it5e$1@dont-email.me>: >>>> >>>>> On 17 Dec 2024 05:09:30 GMT, vallor wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's almost as if Microsoft has decided its customers are now its >>>>>> beta-testers. >>>>> >>>>> You mean, you just discovered? Some of us noticed this happening years >>>>> ago. >>>> >>>> They're more overt about it now. >>>> >>>> It's too bad that anti-trust enforcement is so defanged in our >>>> government. The whole "TPM 2 for Windows 11" thing is screwing up the >>>> marketplace. >>>> >>> my market place is fine >> >> Your computer is new enough to have TPM 2. >> >> Some folks aren't so lucky... > > Those who don't have TPM 2 are free to use Linux or buy a new computer. Which is what a lot of them will probably do (either that or keep running older versions of Windows). Mac users are finding new lives for their old (unsupported) computers using Linux. -- “Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2024-12-17 18:11 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up |
| Message-ID | <3zn8P.42294$%aWb.40195@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #680632 |
Le 2024-12-17 à 16:12, RonB a écrit : > On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> Le 2024-12-17 à 11:23, vallor a écrit : >>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 08:51:12 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in >>> <Ck2dnSLtXetyAPz6nZ2dnZfqn_sAAAAA@giganews.com>: >>> >>>> vallor wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 05:56:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vjr3qj$1it5e$1@dont-email.me>: >>>>> >>>>>> On 17 Dec 2024 05:09:30 GMT, vallor wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It's almost as if Microsoft has decided its customers are now its >>>>>>> beta-testers. >>>>>> >>>>>> You mean, you just discovered? Some of us noticed this happening years >>>>>> ago. >>>>> >>>>> They're more overt about it now. >>>>> >>>>> It's too bad that anti-trust enforcement is so defanged in our >>>>> government. The whole "TPM 2 for Windows 11" thing is screwing up the >>>>> marketplace. >>>>> >>>> my market place is fine >>> >>> Your computer is new enough to have TPM 2. >>> >>> Some folks aren't so lucky... >> >> Those who don't have TPM 2 are free to use Linux or buy a new computer. > > Which is what a lot of them will probably do (either that or keep running > older versions of Windows). Mac users are finding new lives for their old > (unsupported) computers using Linux. I don't believe that the majority of people whose computers are about to become obsolete even know that Linux exists, much less know how to install it. It's sad but people nowadays are very uninformed and resistant to learn even the simplest things. -- CrudeSausage
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-18 11:29 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up |
| Message-ID | <vjubmp$28obp$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #680655 |
On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > Le 2024-12-17 à 16:12, RonB a écrit : >> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>> Le 2024-12-17 à 11:23, vallor a écrit : >>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 08:51:12 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in >>>> <Ck2dnSLtXetyAPz6nZ2dnZfqn_sAAAAA@giganews.com>: >>>> >>>>> vallor wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 05:56:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>>>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vjr3qj$1it5e$1@dont-email.me>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 17 Dec 2024 05:09:30 GMT, vallor wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's almost as if Microsoft has decided its customers are now its >>>>>>>> beta-testers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You mean, you just discovered? Some of us noticed this happening years >>>>>>> ago. >>>>>> >>>>>> They're more overt about it now. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's too bad that anti-trust enforcement is so defanged in our >>>>>> government. The whole "TPM 2 for Windows 11" thing is screwing up the >>>>>> marketplace. >>>>>> >>>>> my market place is fine >>>> >>>> Your computer is new enough to have TPM 2. >>>> >>>> Some folks aren't so lucky... >>> >>> Those who don't have TPM 2 are free to use Linux or buy a new computer. >> >> Which is what a lot of them will probably do (either that or keep running >> older versions of Windows). Mac users are finding new lives for their old >> (unsupported) computers using Linux. > > I don't believe that the majority of people whose computers are about to > become obsolete even know that Linux exists, much less know how to > install it. It's sad but people nowadays are very uninformed and > resistant to learn even the simplest things. I sometimes follow the Mac subReddit (less so now than before) and I see quite a few Mac users (who've usually bought a new Mac) asking what should they do with their old one. They're either told to put OpenCore on it and update to a supported version of Mac OS (which won't be an option soon on Intel Macs) or install Linux. A lot of them go the Linux route. That said, I realize that the majority of Mac users aren't taking part in the Mac subReddit. Linux runs pretty well on my old 2014 Mac Mini. Though, usually, when I go to the Mac Mini, I'm trying out something on Mac side of the computer, not the Linux one. -- “Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2024-12-18 09:23 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up |
| Message-ID | <tVA8P.3449$mi11.1501@fx48.iad> |
| In reply to | #680688 |
Le 2024-12-18 à 06:29, RonB a écrit : > On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> Le 2024-12-17 à 16:12, RonB a écrit : >>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 11:23, vallor a écrit : >>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 08:51:12 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in >>>>> <Ck2dnSLtXetyAPz6nZ2dnZfqn_sAAAAA@giganews.com>: >>>>> >>>>>> vallor wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 05:56:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>>>>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vjr3qj$1it5e$1@dont-email.me>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 17 Dec 2024 05:09:30 GMT, vallor wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's almost as if Microsoft has decided its customers are now its >>>>>>>>> beta-testers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You mean, you just discovered? Some of us noticed this happening years >>>>>>>> ago. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They're more overt about it now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's too bad that anti-trust enforcement is so defanged in our >>>>>>> government. The whole "TPM 2 for Windows 11" thing is screwing up the >>>>>>> marketplace. >>>>>>> >>>>>> my market place is fine >>>>> >>>>> Your computer is new enough to have TPM 2. >>>>> >>>>> Some folks aren't so lucky... >>>> >>>> Those who don't have TPM 2 are free to use Linux or buy a new computer. >>> >>> Which is what a lot of them will probably do (either that or keep running >>> older versions of Windows). Mac users are finding new lives for their old >>> (unsupported) computers using Linux. >> >> I don't believe that the majority of people whose computers are about to >> become obsolete even know that Linux exists, much less know how to >> install it. It's sad but people nowadays are very uninformed and >> resistant to learn even the simplest things. > > I sometimes follow the Mac subReddit (less so now than before) and I see > quite a few Mac users (who've usually bought a new Mac) asking what should > they do with their old one. They're either told to put OpenCore on it and > update to a supported version of Mac OS (which won't be an option soon on > Intel Macs) or install Linux. A lot of them go the Linux route. > > That said, I realize that the majority of Mac users aren't taking part in > the Mac subReddit. Linux runs pretty well on my old 2014 Mac Mini. Though, > usually, when I go to the Mac Mini, I'm trying out something on Mac side of > the computer, not the Linux one. A co-worker of mine last year decided to buy an old Mac from around 2013 after the seller promised him that he would be able to run the latest version of MacOS. He got exactly that, but the computer was unbearably slow. Linux is truly the greater option on old Macs, and that's what I installed on the 2012 one I just gave away to my wife's faggot friend. -- CrudeSausage
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-18 12:05 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Linux-hating Dimdows concern trolls, listen up |
| Message-ID | <vjuvcv$2cgfv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #680704 |
On 12/18/24 9:23 AM, CrudeSausage wrote: > Le 2024-12-18 à 06:29, RonB a écrit : >> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>> Le 2024-12-17 à 16:12, RonB a écrit : >>>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 11:23, vallor a écrit : >>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 08:51:12 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in >>>>>> <Ck2dnSLtXetyAPz6nZ2dnZfqn_sAAAAA@giganews.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> vallor wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 05:56:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>>>>>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vjr3qj$1it5e$1@dont-email.me>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 17 Dec 2024 05:09:30 GMT, vallor wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's almost as if Microsoft has decided its customers are now its >>>>>>>>>> beta-testers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You mean, you just discovered? Some of us noticed this >>>>>>>>> happening years >>>>>>>>> ago. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They're more overt about it now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's too bad that anti-trust enforcement is so defanged in our >>>>>>>> government. The whole "TPM 2 for Windows 11" thing is screwing >>>>>>>> up the >>>>>>>> marketplace. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> my market place is fine >>>>>> >>>>>> Your computer is new enough to have TPM 2. >>>>>> >>>>>> Some folks aren't so lucky... >>>>> >>>>> Those who don't have TPM 2 are free to use Linux or buy a new >>>>> computer. >>>> >>>> Which is what a lot of them will probably do (either that or keep >>>> running >>>> older versions of Windows). Mac users are finding new lives for >>>> their old >>>> (unsupported) computers using Linux. >>> >>> I don't believe that the majority of people whose computers are about to >>> become obsolete even know that Linux exists, much less know how to >>> install it. It's sad but people nowadays are very uninformed and >>> resistant to learn even the simplest things. >> >> I sometimes follow the Mac subReddit (less so now than before) and I see >> quite a few Mac users (who've usually bought a new Mac) asking what >> should >> they do with their old one. They're either told to put OpenCore on it and >> update to a supported version of Mac OS (which won't be an option soon on >> Intel Macs) or install Linux. A lot of them go the Linux route. >> >> That said, I realize that the majority of Mac users aren't taking part in >> the Mac subReddit. Linux runs pretty well on my old 2014 Mac Mini. >> Though, >> usually, when I go to the Mac Mini, I'm trying out something on Mac >> side of >> the computer, not the Linux one. > > A co-worker of mine last year decided to buy an old Mac from around 2013 > after the seller promised him that he would be able to run the latest > version of MacOS. Sounds like the seller might have been not quite lying, as the 2013 iMac was supported up through macOS Ventura (version 13), which was the latest version until Sept 2023 when it was superseded by Sonoma (which itself was superseded by Sequoia 3 months ago). > He got exactly that, but the computer was unbearably slow. Many of these were unbearably slow on Day 1, as the base model came with a slow 5400rpm Hard Drive which was slightly degimped with a tiny SSD. My brother bitched about his new iMac of that ilk as being slower than his old one ... which just a year earlier, I'd put an SSD in it for him. > Linux is truly the greater option on old Macs, and that's what I > installed on the 2012 one I just gave away to my wife's faggot friend. Linux's lightweight OS characteristics make it quite suitable for any old hardware which it can run on, particularly when the user expectations are basic (eg, web surfing, email, newsgroups). -hh
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