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Why MacOS is not a "fun" Unix to work with

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  Why MacOS is not a "fun" Unix to work with vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-15 02:14 +0000
    Re: Why MacOS is not a "fun" Unix to work with -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-14 21:43 -0500
    Re: Why MacOS is not a "fun" Unix to work with vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-15 03:02 +0000
      Re: Why MacOS is not a "fun" Unix to work with Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-15 04:33 +0000

#680267 — Why MacOS is not a "fun" Unix to work with

# time -p tmutil latestbackup
tmutil: latestbackup requires Full Disk Access privileges.
To allow this operation, select Full Disk Access in the Privacy
tab of the Security & Privacy preference pane, and add Terminal
to the list of applications which are allowed Full Disk Access.
real 59.67
user 0.00
sys 0.00
 _ _ _ _ _ _ _

So it takes almost a full minute to give an "access denied"?

Also, I already added Terminal to the list.  MacOS wants something else.

I can run the command from the Terminal on the console, but not via ssh.

In the "Full Disk Access" application list, there's a "+" to add another
application.  Clicking that gives a file dialog, but there is no way
to point it at /usr/sbin/sshd.

Linux wouldn't do this to me.

To check Time Machine status, I have to vnc in to the console -- where the
frame rate at login goes into the dirt, because Sequoia has a lovely moving
background on the login screen.

Honestly, I don't think these kids can steer...

-- 
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
   OS: Linux 6.12.4 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
   "Access denied - nyah nyah nya nyah nyah!"

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#680269

On 12/14/24 9:14 PM, vallor wrote:
> # time -p tmutil latestbackup
> tmutil: latestbackup requires Full Disk Access privileges.
> To allow this operation, select Full Disk Access in the Privacy
> tab of the Security & Privacy preference pane, and add Terminal
> to the list of applications which are allowed Full Disk Access.
> real 59.67
> user 0.00
> sys 0.00
>   _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> 
> So it takes almost a full minute to give an "access denied"?

Something's wrong with your system; just a few seconds req'd:

Same error my first time too (& just a few seconds to respond):

admin$ time -p tmutil latestbackup
tmutil: latestbackup requires Full Disk Access privileges.
To allow this operation, select Full Disk Access in the Privacy
tab of the Security & Privacy preference pane, and add Terminal
to the list of applications which are allowed Full Disk Access.
real 0.05
user 0.00
sys 0.00


> Also, I already added Terminal to the list.  MacOS wants something else.

One does have to relaunch Terminal, as the instructions say:

admin$ time -p tmutil latestbackup
/Volumes/.timemachine/5C733EB8-AEBA-483A-A71C-DCB2E40562FD/2024-12-14-211509.backup/2024-12-14-211509.backup
real 0.36
user 0.00
sys 0.01

> I can run the command from the Terminal on the console, but not via ssh. 
> In the "Full Disk Access" application list, there's a "+" to add another
> application.  Clicking that gives a file dialog, but there is no way
> to point it at /usr/sbin/sshd.

Seems that that's a deliberate choice.

> Linux wouldn't do this to me.

Of course it wouldn't.

> To check Time Machine status, I have to vnc in to the console -- where the
> frame rate at login goes into the dirt, because Sequoia has a lovely moving
> background on the login screen.
> 
> Honestly, I don't think these kids can steer...

Or just sit at the physical machine like most folks do.  From there, 
{Finder/System Settings/General/Time Machine} gets you to the data of 
the last backups to each attached TM target, plus also the first.

-hh

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#680278

On 15 Dec 2024 02:14:12 GMT, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote in
<ls6sbkFt1pqU1@mid.individual.net>:

> # time -p tmutil latestbackup
> tmutil: latestbackup requires Full Disk Access privileges.
> To allow this operation, select Full Disk Access in the Privacy
> tab of the Security & Privacy preference pane, and add Terminal
> to the list of applications which are allowed Full Disk Access.
> real 59.67
> user 0.00
> sys 0.00
>  _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> 
> So it takes almost a full minute to give an "access denied"?
> 
> Also, I already added Terminal to the list.  MacOS wants something else.
> 
> I can run the command from the Terminal on the console, but not via ssh.
> 
> In the "Full Disk Access" application list, there's a "+" to add another
> application.  Clicking that gives a file dialog, but there is no way
> to point it at /usr/sbin/sshd.
> 
> Linux wouldn't do this to me.
> 
> To check Time Machine status, I have to vnc in to the console -- where the
> frame rate at login goes into the dirt, because Sequoia has a lovely moving
> background on the login screen.
> 
> Honestly, I don't think these kids can steer...

I'll give you another one.

I have two screenshots on my Desktop, both are png's.

However:
_[/Users/scott]_(scott@Mac)🍏_
$ cd Desktop
_[/Users/scott/Desktop]_(scott@Mac)🍏_
$ ls
ls: .: Operation not permitted
_[/Users/scott/Desktop]_(scott@Mac)🍏_
$ cd ..
_[/Users/scott]_(scott@Mac)🍏_
$ ls -ld Desktop
drwx------+ 8 scott  staff  256 Dec 13 13:45 Desktop

Do you know how exceedingly stupid that is?  And removing the acl
didn't do any good -- I had to retreat to vnc and use the terminal
there to copy the screenshots out of my Desktop directory.

tl;dr:  MacOS is not a "fun" Unix to work with.

-- 
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
   OS: Linux 6.12.4 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
   "Modem: A great deterrent to phone solicitors"

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#680292

On 15 Dec 2024 03:02:17 GMT, vallor wrote:

> tl;dr:  MacOS is not a "fun" Unix to work with.

tl;tl;dr: If it’s officially “Unix”, then nobody cares about it any more.

Linux is where it’s at.

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