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| Started by | Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| First post | 2018-07-10 19:54 -0700 |
| Last post | 2018-07-24 07:28 -0700 |
| Articles | 12 on this page of 252 — 12 participants |
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Chris Pratt etc. Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 19:54 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-07-11 09:08 -0400
Re: Chris Pratt etc. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-13 09:58 -0500
Re: Chris Pratt etc. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 16:32 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 09:38 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 10:03 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 11:06 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 11:30 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 12:27 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 13:19 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 21:04 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-13 10:13 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-13 17:44 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 11:12 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-13 12:36 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 12:43 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 13:10 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-13 19:53 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 21:04 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 21:17 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 15:46 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 12:54 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 13:12 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 21:04 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 14:28 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 15:50 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 11:14 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 11:21 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 09:39 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 10:04 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 11:03 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 11:13 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 11:17 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 11:30 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 12:24 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 13:14 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 21:04 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 14:33 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 14:44 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 15:53 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 15:00 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 15:43 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-14 10:01 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-14 10:13 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-14 10:47 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-14 11:11 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-14 11:20 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-14 11:24 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-14 11:51 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-14 11:30 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-14 12:39 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-14 12:54 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-14 13:19 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-14 13:19 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-14 13:42 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-14 21:12 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-14 15:10 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-14 22:52 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-14 16:17 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-14 17:02 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-15 09:09 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-15 09:24 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-15 09:26 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-15 10:35 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-15 11:35 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-15 09:29 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-15 16:30 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-15 09:45 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-15 10:01 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-15 10:44 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-15 11:51 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-15 13:58 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-15 14:42 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-15 17:18 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-15 14:54 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-15 17:22 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 09:09 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-16 17:21 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-15 22:56 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-15 17:29 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-15 06:06 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-14 15:31 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-14 10:49 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-14 11:16 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-13 17:38 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-13 12:53 -0500
There is a nice jail cell in chrisv's future Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 11:02 -0700
Re: There is a nice jail cell in chrisv's future owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-13 18:13 +0000
Re: There is a nice jail cell in chrisv's future chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-16 07:13 -0500
Re: There is a nice jail cell in chrisv's future owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-16 16:08 +0000
Re: There is a nice jail cell in chrisv's future chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-16 11:34 -0500
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-13 18:04 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 11:09 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-16 07:00 -0500
Re: Chris Pratt etc. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-16 08:02 -0500
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 06:48 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-16 14:53 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-16 10:12 -0500
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-16 15:19 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 17:52 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-16 15:12 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 08:39 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-16 17:00 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-16 15:09 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-16 10:22 -0500
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-16 15:35 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-16 10:42 -0500
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 08:54 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-16 16:00 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 09:23 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-16 17:18 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-16 18:15 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-16 16:00 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 09:09 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-16 11:32 -0500
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 10:13 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 11:46 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 17:59 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-16 13:09 -0500
Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-16 18:33 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 18:44 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-16 13:46 -0500
Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-16 18:51 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 19:04 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 19:06 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-16 13:58 -0500
Multiple right-wing posts deleted, unread chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-16 14:16 -0500
Re: Multiple right-wing posts deleted, unread RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 19:24 +0000
Re: Multiple right-wing posts deleted, unread Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-16 13:42 -0700
Re: Multiple right-wing posts deleted, unread chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-16 14:30 -0500
Re: Multiple right-wing posts deleted, unread SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-16 19:49 +0000
Re: Multiple right-wing posts deleted, unread chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-16 14:52 -0500
Re: Multiple right-wing posts deleted, unread SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-16 20:04 +0000
Re: Multiple right-wing posts deleted, unread chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-16 15:07 -0500
Re: Multiple right-wing posts deleted, unread Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 13:20 -0700
Re: Multiple right-wing posts deleted, unread Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 13:36 -0700
Re: Multiple right-wing posts deleted, unread Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-16 13:39 -0700
Re: Multiple right-wing posts deleted, unread SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-16 19:47 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-16 19:18 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 13:05 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-16 19:24 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-16 13:46 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 18:40 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-16 17:25 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-16 12:51 -0500
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 11:15 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-16 18:29 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 18:49 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-16 18:54 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-16 19:15 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 12:02 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-16 19:09 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-16 14:11 -0500
Re: Chris Pratt etc. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 19:20 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 12:49 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-16 13:47 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 12:25 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-16 13:42 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 14:07 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 14:18 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 14:38 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-16 15:32 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 15:41 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 15:57 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 16:03 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-16 17:04 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 17:34 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-16 17:43 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-16 19:30 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-16 13:40 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-16 19:46 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-16 18:32 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-16 18:37 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 18:56 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-16 19:18 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-16 13:47 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-16 13:44 -0500
Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-16 18:50 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 18:01 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 17:55 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 11:10 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 21:10 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 15:47 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 16:17 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 11:13 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-16 06:04 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-16 14:54 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-16 08:38 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-16 15:59 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 09:25 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-16 10:52 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-16 18:51 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-16 14:51 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-16 18:06 -0400
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 15:26 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-16 22:19 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-16 17:47 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-17 01:03 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-16 19:23 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 19:36 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 19:52 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-17 03:56 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 21:26 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 02:37 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 04:11 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 22:44 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 01:20 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-17 02:50 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 03:08 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 04:59 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-17 13:20 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 06:48 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 17:15 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-17 13:45 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 14:39 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-18 01:38 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 19:04 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-18 03:06 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-18 11:26 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 04:45 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-18 15:24 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 15:42 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-19 00:48 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 18:03 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-18 19:29 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-19 12:49 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-19 06:46 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-19 14:51 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 08:07 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-19 09:09 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 09:26 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-19 17:30 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 10:59 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-19 13:39 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 13:52 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-19 20:58 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-19 14:33 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-20 01:22 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 18:33 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 10:10 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 20:07 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 10:56 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-20 10:08 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-20 18:01 +0000
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 11:28 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-20 11:40 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 11:59 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 14:23 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 19:04 -0700
Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 07:04 -0700
Racist Communism Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-07-27 16:51 -0700
We can't change the past or the future. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-07-24 07:28 -0700
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-19 20:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7d231e1c-dec3-4522-bbbf-96c4d17c81e3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #458462 |
On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 6:22:25 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote: > > On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 4:58:30 PM UTC-4, owl wrote: > >> >> > reasonably similar to what's called a "Project Manager" outside of Hollywood. > >> >> > >> >> You are an absolute idiot. Such a statement shows just how clueless > >> >> you are with regard to this subject. Usually, the studio and the > >> >> Producer are the only ones who *do* make any real money from a film. > >> > > >> > Seems like you're only looking at the most rarified sub-segment of > >> > the business instead of the entire entertainment industry, and that's > >> > caused a skew. > >> > > >> > Case in point & as is still listed above, both my cite and yours > >> > were in agreement on benchmarking median producer income: $66K-$68K. > >> > >> You go ahead and think what you want based on payscale.com idiocy. > >> I'll stick with the info I get from people I've known for years and > >> who have personal experience.... > > > > Because a personal anecdote always trumps a mass of statistical data! /S > > > > No, because idea that half of all Hollywood producers make less than > $70,000/year is so beyond absurd that only a special kind of moron would > fail to realize that the database result set for "Film/TV Producer salary" > returned by payscale.com *must* be including salaries of non-Hollywood, > TV-station working slob producer types. That is a completely different > animal. > > You may be able to look long and hard and find a Hollywood producer who > is not already a multimillionaire, but if you do, and his contract for > any project he is currently working on does not at least include the > potential of making tens of millions on the back end, then I'd love to > meet that dumbass. If Jesus Christ has 'file.doc' open in a word processor such as vim and you want to change its name to 'windows.txt' via a GUI menu item, Jesus Christ's video might be useful. Despite my own knowledge of Fedora, I still continue to load it for users who've had trouble with OS X, particularly if I know that they aren't experienced at running multiple programs and balancing resources. Seriously, those of you who troll are not able to manage Cinnamon anymore. I suspect we have two different ideas completely. I bet Jonas Eklundh Communication does not even know what is wrong with Clinton. Sadly this is what comes about when dangerously low self confidence takes over Jonas Eklundh Communication's mind. -- Top Ten Ways Jonas Eklundh Communication Trolls http://tinyurl.com/proof-about-ebot https://youtu.be/IhOfBmWwCVY https://youtu.be/UkAyrfOZaXc Jonas Eklundh Communication
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-20 10:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ae65cf1c-e07c-4473-be79-441ba16cf076@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #458469 |
On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 8:07:57 PM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote: > On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 6:22:25 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > > -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote: > > > On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 4:58:30 PM UTC-4, owl wrote: > > >> >> > reasonably similar to what's called a "Project Manager" outside of Hollywood. > > >> >> > > >> >> You are an absolute idiot. Such a statement shows just how clueless > > >> >> you are with regard to this subject. Usually, the studio and the > > >> >> Producer are the only ones who *do* make any real money from a film. > > >> > > > >> > Seems like you're only looking at the most rarified sub-segment of > > >> > the business instead of the entire entertainment industry, and that's > > >> > caused a skew. > > >> > > > >> > Case in point & as is still listed above, both my cite and yours > > >> > were in agreement on benchmarking median producer income: $66K-$68K. > > >> > > >> You go ahead and think what you want based on payscale.com idiocy. > > >> I'll stick with the info I get from people I've known for years and > > >> who have personal experience.... > > > > > > Because a personal anecdote always trumps a mass of statistical data! /S > > > > > > > No, because idea that half of all Hollywood producers make less than > > $70,000/year is so beyond absurd that only a special kind of moron would > > fail to realize that the database result set for "Film/TV Producer salary" > > returned by payscale.com *must* be including salaries of non-Hollywood, > > TV-station working slob producer types. That is a completely different > > animal. > > > > You may be able to look long and hard and find a Hollywood producer who > > is not already a multimillionaire, but if you do, and his contract for > > any project he is currently working on does not at least include the > > potential of making tens of millions on the back end, then I'd love to > > meet that dumbass. > > > > If Jesus Christ has 'file.doc' open in a word processor such as vim and you want to change its name to 'windows.txt' via a GUI menu item, Jesus Christ's video might be useful. Despite my own knowledge of Fedora, I still continue to load it for users who've had trouble with OS X, particularly if I know that they aren't experienced at running multiple programs and balancing resources. Seriously, those of you who troll are not able to manage Cinnamon anymore. > > I suspect we have two different ideas completely. > > I bet Jonas Eklundh Communication does not even know what is wrong with Clinton. > > Sadly this is what comes about when dangerously low self confidence takes over Jonas Eklundh Communication's mind. > > > > -- > Top Ten Ways Jonas Eklundh Communication Trolls > http://tinyurl.com/proof-about-ebot > https://youtu.be/IhOfBmWwCVY > https://youtu.be/UkAyrfOZaXc > Jonas Eklundh Communication -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In article <fmre6tF8stoU3@mid.individual.net>, Snit wrote: >> Steve Carroll (Snit): >> For most I would say the comment is worth looking into. Of course, >> given that it's chrisv I would ignore that doubt and go straight >> to 'lie' because that's most of what chrisv does. Meaning no >> evidence is required to deem it dishonest. So what's chrisv's >> system for the flooding deluge? AppleScript? That is the only tool >> he knows, isn't it? He must be abusing it to create these goofy >> "obsession" garbage posts. My hypothesis, chrisv took Steven >> Petruzzellis's code that he stole and pretended was his... he's >> feeding it Steven Petruzzellis's posts, grabbing offensive >> paragraphs, then altering those using automated reinforcement >> learning and then he hand posts them because his insomnia enables >> him to do that practically endlessly. > >> The content is a bunch of randomized bullshit. That points to one >> person. Real discussion will be destroyed once the trolls >> overpopulate. That, and there will always be a butthurt insomniac >> or two in an open news group (hint: chrisv). The specifics of the >> bullshit aside, we have all seen who routinely gets angry when he >> does not get a response. > >> -- >> Best CMS Solution of 2017! >> https://www.facebook.com/JonasEklundh >> https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012978552519 >> https://youtu.be/GPPqvw8iEBs >> Jonas Eklundh Communication > > Why do you link to Sandman's FB page? And you do so in the same post > you point to a link to his trolling. > Why? Did he leave COLA because of you? 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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-20 10:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5f66d96b-1443-4731-b4b0-25f95b3058a7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #458462 |
owl wrote: > -hh wrote: >> On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 4:58:30 PM UTC-4, owl wrote: >>> >> > reasonably similar to what's called a "Project Manager" outside of Hollywood. >>> >> >>> >> You are an absolute idiot. Such a statement shows just how clueless >>> >> you are with regard to this subject. Usually, the studio and the >>> >> Producer are the only ones who *do* make any real money from a film. >>> > >>> > Seems like you're only looking at the most rarified sub-segment of >>> > the business instead of the entire entertainment industry, and that's >>> > caused a skew. >>> > >>> > Case in point & as is still listed above, both my cite and yours >>> > were in agreement on benchmarking median producer income: $66K-$68K. >>> >>> You go ahead and think what you want based on payscale.com idiocy. >>> I'll stick with the info I get from people I've known for years and >>> who have personal experience.... >> >> Because a personal anecdote always trumps a mass of statistical data! /S >> > > No, because idea that half of all Hollywood producers make less than > $70,000/year is so beyond absurd that only a special kind of moron would > fail to realize that the database result set for "Film/TV Producer salary" >returned by payscale.com *must* be including salaries of non-Hollywood, >TV-station working slob producer types. That is a completely different animal. And yet, your own citation source **also** said that the median was ~$70K. > You may be able to look long and hard and find a Hollywood producer who > is not already a multimillionaire, but if you do, and his contract for > any project he is currently working on does not at least include the > potential of making tens of millions on the back end, then I'd love to > meet that dumbass. Well, when you find a credible cite that supports your claim, post it... ...and then also explain how & why it’s so profoundly different from the one which you already posted which said that the median salary was $66K/yr. Until then, the cited numbers are what’s doing the talking. -hh
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-07-20 18:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <kl908b00ab.h3@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #458579 |
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote: > > owl wrote: >> -hh wrote: >>> On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 4:58:30 PM UTC-4, owl wrote: >>>> >> > reasonably similar to what's called a "Project Manager" outside of Hollywood. >>>> >> >>>> >> You are an absolute idiot. Such a statement shows just how clueless >>>> >> you are with regard to this subject. Usually, the studio and the >>>> >> Producer are the only ones who *do* make any real money from a film. >>>> > >>>> > Seems like you're only looking at the most rarified sub-segment of >>>> > the business instead of the entire entertainment industry, and that's >>>> > caused a skew. >>>> > >>>> > Case in point & as is still listed above, both my cite and yours >>>> > were in agreement on benchmarking median producer income: $66K-$68K. >>>> >>>> You go ahead and think what you want based on payscale.com idiocy. >>>> I'll stick with the info I get from people I've known for years and >>>> who have personal experience.... >>> >>> Because a personal anecdote always trumps a mass of statistical data! /S >>> >> >> No, because idea that half of all Hollywood producers make less than >> $70,000/year is so beyond absurd that only a special kind of moron would >> fail to realize that the database result set for "Film/TV Producer salary" >>returned by payscale.com *must* be including salaries of non-Hollywood, >>TV-station working slob producer types. That is a completely different animal. > > And yet, your own citation source **also** said that the median was ~$70K. > No, it does not. >> You may be able to look long and hard and find a Hollywood producer who >> is not already a multimillionaire, but if you do, and his contract for >> any project he is currently working on does not at least include the >> potential of making tens of millions on the back end, then I'd love to >> meet that dumbass. > > Well, when you find a credible cite that supports your claim, post it... > > ...and then also explain how & why it’s so profoundly different from the one > which you already posted which said that the median salary was $66K/yr. > > Until then, the cited numbers are what’s doing the talking. > > -hh > Learn how to read. The link I gave merely referred to the idiotic payscale.com estimate that you used, and showed how ridiculous it was. Here it is again. Read it this time. http://time.com/money/4965728/movie-jobs-how-much-get-paid-actors/ <quote> Producer Payscale reports that the median annual salary for a producer in TV and films is just $66,121. However, the typical Hollywood film producer earns $750,000 to $1 million per movie, though first-time producers might make only $250,000. Producers behind monster box office hits can pull in tens of millions. </quote>
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-20 11:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9dee73b9-7fc4-4806-8451-a3dcb282a771@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #458587 |
On Friday, July 20, 2018 at 11:01:24 AM UTC-7, owl wrote: > -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote: > > > > owl wrote: > >> -hh wrote: > >>> On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 4:58:30 PM UTC-4, owl wrote: > >>>> >> > reasonably similar to what's called a "Project Manager" outside of Hollywood. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> You are an absolute idiot. Such a statement shows just how clueless > >>>> >> you are with regard to this subject. Usually, the studio and the > >>>> >> Producer are the only ones who *do* make any real money from a film. > >>>> > > >>>> > Seems like you're only looking at the most rarified sub-segment of > >>>> > the business instead of the entire entertainment industry, and that's > >>>> > caused a skew. > >>>> > > >>>> > Case in point & as is still listed above, both my cite and yours > >>>> > were in agreement on benchmarking median producer income: $66K-$68K. > >>>> > >>>> You go ahead and think what you want based on payscale.com idiocy. > >>>> I'll stick with the info I get from people I've known for years and > >>>> who have personal experience.... > >>> > >>> Because a personal anecdote always trumps a mass of statistical data! /S > >>> > >> > >> No, because idea that half of all Hollywood producers make less than > >> $70,000/year is so beyond absurd that only a special kind of moron would > >> fail to realize that the database result set for "Film/TV Producer salary" > >>returned by payscale.com *must* be including salaries of non-Hollywood, > >>TV-station working slob producer types. That is a completely different animal. > > > > And yet, your own citation source **also** said that the median was ~$70K. > > > > No, it does not. > > >> You may be able to look long and hard and find a Hollywood producer who > >> is not already a multimillionaire, but if you do, and his contract for > >> any project he is currently working on does not at least include the > >> potential of making tens of millions on the back end, then I'd love to > >> meet that dumbass. > > > > Well, when you find a credible cite that supports your claim, post it... > > > > ...and then also explain how & why it’s so profoundly different from the one > > which you already posted which said that the median salary was $66K/yr. > > > > Until then, the cited numbers are what’s doing the talking. > > > > -hh > > > > Learn how to read. The link I gave merely referred to the idiotic > payscale.com estimate that you used, and showed how ridiculous it > was. Here it is again. Read it this time. > > http://time.com/money/4965728/movie-jobs-how-much-get-paid-actors/ > <quote> > Producer > > Payscale reports that the median annual salary for a producer in TV and > films is just $66,121. However, the typical Hollywood film producer earns > $750,000 to $1 million per movie, though first-time producers might make > only $250,000. Producers behind monster box office hits can pull in tens > of millions. > </quote> Klaus Schadenfreude's actions are totally in all respects unfair. There can be zero doubt that as soon as any former 'plonkee' does anything to wound the poor milksop's feelings that they will be blocked again. I'm guessing, after kill filtering all the nyms, it's principally just two of them authoring the preponderance of the onslaught. Crystal clear. And both altogether maniacs. What macOS looks like can be skinned and not tied to its functionality, especially if it's free. Gee, imagine Klaus Schadenfreude trying to pin his trash on me or others, no one has ever seen that before <shrug>. But Klaus Schadenfreude feels the need to mock the herd. So be it. I think the person you are thinking of is in my kill file. How is Blender on Linux doing anything above the lowest common denominator? -- Get Rich Slow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhOfBmWwCVY https://youtu.be/dNhvVfD4zu4 https://redd.it/6sfhq6 Jonas Eklundh Communication
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-20 11:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ef5c5028-957c-4e71-b52c-905c8fd4adc7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #458587 |
owl wrote: > -hh wrote: >> And yet, your own citation source **also** said that the median was ~$70K. > > No, it does not. $66K ... which rounds up to $70K >>> You may be able to look long and hard and find a Hollywood producer who >>> is not already a multimillionaire, but if you do, and his contract for >>> any project he is currently working on does not at least include the >>> potential of making tens of millions on the back end, then I'd love to >>> meet that dumbass. >> >> Well, when you find a credible cite that supports your claim, post it... >> >> ...and then also explain how & why it’s so profoundly different from the one >> which you already posted which said that the median salary was $66K/yr. >> >> Until then, the cited numbers are what’s doing the talking. > > > Learn how to read. The link I gave merely referred to the idiotic > payscale.com estimate that you used, ... Which means that my cite was just as valid. >…and showed how ridiculous it was. No, it merely tried to make a differentiation, but lacked substantiation for what it claimed...such as by providing another payscale.com cite. >Here it is again. Read it this time. > > <http://time.com/money/4965728/movie-jobs-how-much-get-paid-actors/> > <quote> > Producer > > Payscale reports that the median annual salary for a producer in TV and > films is just $66,121. However, the typical Hollywood film producer earns The “typical”? Just what is the definition of that term in Statistics? And where’s their cite to substantiate what they’re claiming? > $750,000 to $1 million per movie, though first-time producers might make > only $250,000. Producers behind monster box office hits can pull in tens > of millions. > </quote> Furthermore, you’ve previously said it takes several years to bring a movie all the way through to completion, so these numbers aren’t annual salary values. For example, a first timer making $250K on a movie that takes him five years to produce means that annualized, he made $250K/5 = $50K/yr. And your alleged “typical” in similar fashion is $150K-$200K annualized. Compare that to a PMP certified Program Manager whose median is $108K/yr, they’re not really all that far apart. -hh
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-20 11:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <af618cab-0faa-486a-86f7-924ed9b8651d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #458592 |
On Friday, July 20, 2018 at 11:40:46 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote: > owl wrote: > > -hh wrote: > >> And yet, your own citation source **also** said that the median was ~$70K. > > > > No, it does not. > > $66K ... which rounds up to $70K > > >>> You may be able to look long and hard and find a Hollywood producer who > >>> is not already a multimillionaire, but if you do, and his contract for > >>> any project he is currently working on does not at least include the > >>> potential of making tens of millions on the back end, then I'd love to > >>> meet that dumbass. > >> > >> Well, when you find a credible cite that supports your claim, post it... > >> > >> ...and then also explain how & why it’s so profoundly different from the one > >> which you already posted which said that the median salary was $66K/yr. > >> > >> Until then, the cited numbers are what’s doing the talking. > > > > > > Learn how to read. The link I gave merely referred to the idiotic > > payscale.com estimate that you used, ... > > Which means that my cite was just as valid. > > >…and showed how ridiculous it was. > > No, it merely tried to make a differentiation, but lacked substantiation for > what it claimed...such as by providing another payscale.com cite. > > >Here it is again. Read it this time. > > > > <http://time.com/money/4965728/movie-jobs-how-much-get-paid-actors/> > > <quote> > > Producer > > > > Payscale reports that the median annual salary for a producer in TV and > > films is just $66,121. However, the typical Hollywood film producer earns > > The “typical”? Just what is the definition of that term in Statistics? > > And where’s their cite to substantiate what they’re claiming? > > > $750,000 to $1 million per movie, though first-time producers might make > > only $250,000. Producers behind monster box office hits can pull in tens > > of millions. > > </quote> > > Furthermore, you’ve previously said it takes several years to bring a movie > all the way through to completion, so these numbers aren’t annual salary values. > > For example, a first timer making $250K on a movie that takes him five years to > produce means that annualized, he made $250K/5 = $50K/yr. > > And your alleged “typical” in similar fashion is $150K-$200K annualized. > Compare that to a PMP certified Program Manager whose median is $108K/yr, > they’re not really all that far apart. > > -hh Yup. Unfortunately this is what we have to deal with. Jerks who clearly have no reason for being here other than to antagonize others. Obviously, the lone undertaking that matters to Jonas Eklundh Communication AB is being "moral", and if he can't have that he will flood to actively beat Jeff Relf down... he's been that way forever. By following 'social warriors' like that you get phrases like 'communism'. Carried to its (un)reasonable intent, the idea that it's 'immoral' for a heterosexual male to not wish to have sex with a child is born. -- Puppy Videos!! https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.os.linux.advocacy/tzMH39QmAmU Jonas Eklundh Communication AB
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-19 14:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <04824f0d-32af-44f7-8643-e6f9a60946a3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #458432 |
On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 1:39:40 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote: > On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 1:30:36 PM UTC-4, owl wrote: > > -hh wrote: > > > On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 10:51:24 AM UTC-4, owl wrote: > > >> -hh wrote: > > >> > On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 8:50:01 AM UTC-4, owl wrote: > > >> >> -hh wrote: > > >> >> > owl wrote: > > >> >> >>-hh wrote: > > >> >> >>> On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 7:26:21 AM UTC-4, owl wrote: > > >> >> >>>> -hh wrote: > > >> >> >>>> > On Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 9:39:00 PM UTC-4, owl wrote: > > >> >> >>>> >> -hh wrote: > > >> >> >>>> >> > On Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 9:20:25 AM UTC-4, owl wrote: > > >> >> >>>> >> >> -hh wrote: > > >> >> >>>> >> >> > On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 11:56:57 PM UTC-4, owl wrote: > > >> >> >>>> >> >> >> -hh wrote: > > >> >> >>>> >> >> ... > > >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >>>> > > >> > > > .. > > >> > reason why usually hasn't included being blackballed by the Government. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> > He was a stage guy who did well, who > > >> >> > also did cinema, including some popular iconic roles, > > >> >> > > >> >> I can't think of anyone who upon hearing the name "Zero Mostel" > > >> >> would think, "Oh, you mean the great Broadway actor." Outside of > > >> >> New York, nobody knows or cares about Broadway actors. > > >> > > > >> > London cares, as do many others. You need to keep in mind that > > >> > historically, film is the "poor cousin" of live performances, > > >> > > >> LOL. Before Chaplin, maybe. > > > > > > Simply look at the Market rates: a Hamilton ticket starts at $300. > > > Similarly, an Elton John ticket is also more than the $8 for a movie. > > > > > > > Funny, I can't name a single actor from Hamilton. They are New-York > > famous, maybe? > > You don't know Lin-Manuel Miranda? Maybe this will help: > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNFf7nMIGnE> > > > > ... > > > > >> Another friend > > >> is a currently working producer in his forties. He makes primarily > > >> low-budget crap that never gets beyond Netflix, but he does extremely > > >> well financially compared to the rest of Planet Earth. > > > > > > Average producer pay: $68K/yr > > > > > > <https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Film%2FTV_Producer/Salary> > > > > > > That's less, but comparable to the average pay in the US for a > > > Project Manager ($71K): > > > > LOL!!! That site must be talking about your local TV/Radio station > > producer. > > Nope, you can even see it in the URL: "...US/Job=Film..." > > > Movie producer typically starts with 60% > > of the gross and grudgingly hands out points to actors/director only > > if necessary to seal the deal. > > Got a cite for that? > > > The producer is the *boss* and is responsible > > for pulling the whole project together. > > But he still typically works for a Studio, particularly when it > comes to those bigger pictures with bigger budgets. > > > Producer income generally dwarfs that of all others associated > > with a movie, including the "stars." > > > > http://time.com/money/4965728/movie-jobs-how-much-get-paid-actors/ > > <quote> > > Producer > > > > Payscale reports that the median annual salary for a producer in TV and > > films is just $66,121. > > And my cite said $68K ... how is that not close enough? > > > However, the typical Hollywood film producer earns > > $750,000 to $1 million per movie, though first-time producers might make > > only $250,000. Producers behind monster box office hits can pull in tens > > of millions. > > </quote> > > So then the question is how a "Hollywood film producer" is different > from a TV/Film producer not necessarily only in Hollywood. And, as > per your own cite, this is based on a notional $200M budget, which > also means that the producer's $1M take is 0.5% of that $200M. > > > > > ... > > > > >> > Sure, if you have what they want, for it is still just a classical > > >> > capitalistic "Supply & Demand" market, where below the A-list, > > >> > > >> I'm not talking about people who have never worked in Hollywood before, > > >> and start at scale. I'm talking anyone who has even a small track record > > >> and a decent agent is going to be making craploads of money as compared > > >> to the general population, even though you or I might never have heard > > >> of them, and regardless of their position on any any sort of "ranking" > > >> list (or even being on one for that matter). > > > > > > Neither am I, particularly when I'm citing average/typical pay levels, > > > as well as recognizing that the basic role of things like producer is > > > reasonably similar to what's called a "Project Manager" outside of Hollywood. > > > > You are an absolute idiot. Such a statement shows just how clueless > > you are with regard to this subject. Usually, the studio and the > > Producer are the only ones who *do* make any real money from a film. > > Seems like you're only looking at the most rarified sub-segment of > the business instead of the entire entertainment industry, and that's > caused a skew. > > Case in point & as is still listed above, both my cite and yours > were in agreement on benchmarking median producer income: $66K-$68K. > > > -hh Larry Washington doesn't have any concept of what he is blubbering about. It's like a prank call. Larry Washington has already decided what he is going to say before he calls. What you say doesn't matter. What Klaus Schadenfreude says is beside the point. Perhaps you use it erroneously. Do you not understand the use of VPN? You're two seconds away from being in my kill file. BTW, I've already pointed out that his use of "cult-like" to describe COLA denizens is rude, since he's likening them to lower life forms. Pay for a background report on Larry Washington and you will learn that he was in the slammer more than once. The sites don't go into that extent of specificity and legal lists from his jurisdiction have to be court ordered. -- E-commerce Simplified http://www.5z8.info/backyard-fireworks-disasters_t7w7pu_bombbuilding Jonas Eklundh
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-19 19:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6eab6fa9-3d23-4904-aacf-75f97c314240@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #458438 |
On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 2:23:59 PM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote: > On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 1:39:40 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote: > > On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 1:30:36 PM UTC-4, owl wrote: > > > -hh wrote: > > > > On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 10:51:24 AM UTC-4, owl wrote: > > > >> -hh wrote: > > > >> > On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 8:50:01 AM UTC-4, owl wrote: > > > >> >> -hh wrote: > > > >> >> > owl wrote: > > > >> >> >>-hh wrote: > > > >> >> >>> On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 7:26:21 AM UTC-4, owl wrote: > > > >> >> >>>> -hh wrote: > > > >> >> >>>> > On Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 9:39:00 PM UTC-4, owl wrote: > > > >> >> >>>> >> -hh wrote: > > > >> >> >>>> >> > On Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 9:20:25 AM UTC-4, owl wrote: > > > >> >> >>>> >> >> -hh wrote: > > > >> >> >>>> >> >> > On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 11:56:57 PM UTC-4, owl wrote: > > > >> >> >>>> >> >> >> -hh wrote: > > > >> >> >>>> >> >> ... > > > >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >>>> > > > >> > > > > .. > > > >> > reason why usually hasn't included being blackballed by the Government. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >> > He was a stage guy who did well, who > > > >> >> > also did cinema, including some popular iconic roles, > > > >> >> > > > >> >> I can't think of anyone who upon hearing the name "Zero Mostel" > > > >> >> would think, "Oh, you mean the great Broadway actor." Outside of > > > >> >> New York, nobody knows or cares about Broadway actors. > > > >> > > > > >> > London cares, as do many others. You need to keep in mind that > > > >> > historically, film is the "poor cousin" of live performances, > > > >> > > > >> LOL. Before Chaplin, maybe. > > > > > > > > Simply look at the Market rates: a Hamilton ticket starts at $300. > > > > Similarly, an Elton John ticket is also more than the $8 for a movie. > > > > > > > > > > Funny, I can't name a single actor from Hamilton. They are New-York > > > famous, maybe? > > > > You don't know Lin-Manuel Miranda? Maybe this will help: > > > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNFf7nMIGnE> > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > >> Another friend > > > >> is a currently working producer in his forties. He makes primarily > > > >> low-budget crap that never gets beyond Netflix, but he does extremely > > > >> well financially compared to the rest of Planet Earth. > > > > > > > > Average producer pay: $68K/yr > > > > > > > > <https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Film%2FTV_Producer/Salary> > > > > > > > > That's less, but comparable to the average pay in the US for a > > > > Project Manager ($71K): > > > > > > LOL!!! That site must be talking about your local TV/Radio station > > > producer. > > > > Nope, you can even see it in the URL: "...US/Job=Film..." > > > > > Movie producer typically starts with 60% > > > of the gross and grudgingly hands out points to actors/director only > > > if necessary to seal the deal. > > > > Got a cite for that? > > > > > The producer is the *boss* and is responsible > > > for pulling the whole project together. > > > > But he still typically works for a Studio, particularly when it > > comes to those bigger pictures with bigger budgets. > > > > > Producer income generally dwarfs that of all others associated > > > with a movie, including the "stars." > > > > > > http://time.com/money/4965728/movie-jobs-how-much-get-paid-actors/ > > > <quote> > > > Producer > > > > > > Payscale reports that the median annual salary for a producer in TV and > > > films is just $66,121. > > > > And my cite said $68K ... how is that not close enough? > > > > > However, the typical Hollywood film producer earns > > > $750,000 to $1 million per movie, though first-time producers might make > > > only $250,000. Producers behind monster box office hits can pull in tens > > > of millions. > > > </quote> > > > > So then the question is how a "Hollywood film producer" is different > > from a TV/Film producer not necessarily only in Hollywood. And, as > > per your own cite, this is based on a notional $200M budget, which > > also means that the producer's $1M take is 0.5% of that $200M. > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > >> > Sure, if you have what they want, for it is still just a classical > > > >> > capitalistic "Supply & Demand" market, where below the A-list, > > > >> > > > >> I'm not talking about people who have never worked in Hollywood before, > > > >> and start at scale. I'm talking anyone who has even a small track record > > > >> and a decent agent is going to be making craploads of money as compared > > > >> to the general population, even though you or I might never have heard > > > >> of them, and regardless of their position on any any sort of "ranking" > > > >> list (or even being on one for that matter). > > > > > > > > Neither am I, particularly when I'm citing average/typical pay levels, > > > > as well as recognizing that the basic role of things like producer is > > > > reasonably similar to what's called a "Project Manager" outside of Hollywood. > > > > > > You are an absolute idiot. Such a statement shows just how clueless > > > you are with regard to this subject. Usually, the studio and the > > > Producer are the only ones who *do* make any real money from a film. > > > > Seems like you're only looking at the most rarified sub-segment of > > the business instead of the entire entertainment industry, and that's > > caused a skew. > > > > Case in point & as is still listed above, both my cite and yours > > were in agreement on benchmarking median producer income: $66K-$68K. > > > > > > -hh > > > > Larry Washington doesn't have any concept of what he is blubbering about. It's like a prank call. Larry Washington has already decided what he is going to say before he calls. What you say doesn't matter. What Klaus Schadenfreude says is beside the point. Perhaps you use it erroneously. Do you not understand the use of VPN? > > You're two seconds away from being in my kill file. BTW, I've already pointed out that his use of "cult-like" to describe COLA denizens is rude, since he's likening them to lower life forms. Pay for a background report on Larry Washington and you will learn that he was in the slammer more than once. The sites don't go into that extent of specificity and legal lists from his jurisdiction have to be court ordered. > > > > -- > E-commerce Simplified > http://www.5z8.info/backyard-fireworks-disasters_t7w7pu_bombbuilding > Jonas Eklundh My uptime is almost ninety weeks and Takuya Saitoh is a better man than you will even be! Lots of trolls are talking about the Linux "desktop" as if it even potentially is something we would want. Trinity is perhaps my second favorite DE and the only one I suggest to Windows morons. Primary interface is MATE, though. A large number of core applications is all you need after you get used to it. -- "You'll notice how quickly he loses interest when everything is about him. He clearly wants the attention" Steve Carroll, making the dumbest comment ever uttered.
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-19 07:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10fd56ae-cf98-4ade-8ddb-1a4130575c1d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #458370 |
On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 5:50:01 AM UTC-7, owl wrote: > -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote: > > > > owl wrote: > >>-hh wrote: > >>> On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 7:26:21 AM UTC-4, owl wrote: > >>>> -hh wrote: > >>>> > On Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 9:39:00 PM UTC-4, owl wrote: > >>>> >> -hh wrote: > >>>> >> > On Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 9:20:25 AM UTC-4, owl wrote: > >>>> >> >> -hh wrote: > >>>> >> >> > On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 11:56:57 PM UTC-4, owl wrote: > >>>> >> >> >> -hh wrote: > >>>> >> >> ... > >>>> >> >> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> >> > >>>> > >>>> >> > After all, it always takes some amount of time. It took Harrison > >>>> >> > Ford 13 years (1964-77) to break out, Tom Hanks eight (1979-87) > >>>> >> > and so forth. Tom Cruise matched Mostel's five years (1981-86), > >>>> >> > but then again Cruise has still not won an Oscar (but he has won > >>>> >> > three Razzies). > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > >>>> >> And neither did Mostel ever win an Oscar. He was never even nominated > >>>> >> for one. > >>>> > > >>>> > His primary craft and focus was the Stage, and he won 3 Tonys there. > >>>> > As such, he undoubtedly was an "A Lister" within the US Entertainment > >>>> > industry, even if you try to split hairs between the different mediums > >>>> > of the industry: > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> These are the years that Mostel had stage work: > >>> > >>> Gosh, all of a sudden, owl drops his filmography requirement. > >> > >> No. I gave a list of his stage work to address your claim that > >> the stage was his "primary craft." > > > > Because you cited “Hollywood” and then his lack of Oscar awards > > to claim he was a B Actor. > > > No, I cited his lack of Oscars only in reponse to your mentioning of all > the awards he had won which supposedly proved he was not B-list. The fact > is that he was a B-list actor who rode the coattails of others and who > went for periods without work, like everybody else. > > > > He was a stage guy who did well, who > > also did cinema, including some popular iconic roles, > > > > > I can't think of anyone who upon hearing the name "Zero Mostel" > would think, "Oh, you mean the great Broadway actor." Outside of > New York, nobody knows or cares about Broadway actors. > > > > > >> ...and they all typically go multiple years without actively working on > >> a project, in part because of the outrageous salaries they are given > >> in expectation of non-continuous work periods. > > > > No, only the A-Listers get outrageous salaries. > > That depends on what you consider "outrageous." I know one guy who worked > steadily throughout the seventies as a work-for-hire screenwriter and > who, despite ending up with only one screen credit, managed to average > about $300,000 per year during that time -- for what amounted to about > thirty to sixty days work per year. And as a writer he was of course > making peanuts compared to everybody else in the industry. > > > > The no-names rest are > > commodity fodder working for beans while looking for their big break. > > > >> Sometimes they are > >> contractually forbidden to work for anybody else during the period a > >> project is in development, which might be several years. And contracts > >> are generally structured so that payments are spread over various > >> milestones. > > > > Depends on the role...and residuals are hardly a huge secret. > > > > I'm not talking about residuals. I'm talking about large payments > that are made at various stages during production. The signing of > the contract alone can bring a pig payday. Even just an option > can mean big bucks, where the person might not ever have to even > do any work, but just agree to do it if and when production gets > that far. Valuable content creation will not be seen once the trolls overpopulate. That and there will always be a conniption fit or two in an unmoderated group. The impossibility of taming a shrew aside, we have all seen who often gets angry when he doesn't get his way. That lame duck update system failed over and over again. Frankly I do not really think you understand. Who are you even blubbering to? He inconveniences multiple groups of people who are just bystanders, but that's a narcissist for you. What others care about isn't a factor. Until or unless Steve Carroll offers up his 'first-rate' Windows system for assessment, there is no challenge, just wild assertions. -- One Smart Penny! http://prescottcomputerguy.com https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.os.linux.advocacy/smzXrBhsWf4 Jonas Eklundh Communication AB
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
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| Date | 2018-07-27 16:51 -0700 |
| Subject | Racist Communism |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.27--4.51pm.Seattle.2018> |
| In reply to | #457808 |
> > > Mostel's short ~18 month break within 15 years of being blackballed > > > > Many B-level actors often go for five or six years without work. > > B-Listers don’t win industry awards multiple times. This whole "left versus right" thing is a red herring. Hitler was _both_ far left ( super socialist ), and far right ( racist nationalist ) at the same time. To this day, his "Racist Communism" remains popular. Like Hitler, China and North Korea are authoritarian, not communist. Governments are _not_ ( N O T ) smarter than the market, no one is. Governments gave us billion dollar trains to nowhere. They're racing to spend all the money, far into the future, leaving us with no stake in the game. No chance to win, No chance to lose.
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
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| Date | 2018-07-24 07:28 -0700 |
| Subject | We can't change the past or the future. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.24--7.28am.Seattle.2018> |
| In reply to | #457730 |
> blackballed Fiddler on the Roof > wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Mostel We can't change the past or the future. No one really knows what happened or why. We're consumption machines, exploiting a niche, (poorly) programmed by nature to take the LessBad "option".
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