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  Obama FBI still can't unlock encrypted phone of San Bernardino shooter Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2016-02-10 03:52 +0000
    Re: Obama FBI still can't unlock encrypted phone of San Bernardino shooter Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2016-02-10 06:41 +0100
      Re: Obama FBI still can't unlock encrypted phone of San Bernardino shooter Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 22:39 -0800
        Re: CopyRight Trolls. Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 03:40 -0800
        Re: CopyRight Trolls. Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 09:11 -0800
          Visit the Wrong Website, and the FBI Could End Up in Your Computer Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 09:16 -0800
            Re: Don't download kiddy porn, Tor will expose you. Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 18:06 -0800
    The San Bernardino terrorists, Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik, are 100% dead John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 02:04 -0800
    Re: Obama FBI still can't unlock encrypted phone of San Bernardino shooter Cornelis Tromp <nobody@holland.remailer.nl> - 2016-02-12 13:52 +0000
      Re: Obama FBI still can't unlock encrypted phone of San Bernardino shooter chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-02-12 08:07 -0600
        Re: Obama FBI still can't unlock encrypted phone of San Bernardino shooter Jeremy Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> - 2016-02-12 18:53 +0100
        Re: Obama FBI still can't unlock encrypted phone of San Bernardino shooter chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-02-12 12:29 -0600
        Re: Obama FBI still can't unlock encrypted phone of San Bernardino shooter nobody@panix.com - 2016-02-20 05:26 +0000
          Re: Obama FBI still can't unlock encrypted phone of San Bernardino shooter owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-02-20 06:16 +0000
          The FBI should stick to killing one criminal at a time. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 02:06 -0800
            Re: The FBI should stick to killing one criminal at a time. Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 03:36 -0800
              Like I said, the authorities killed those directly responsible on the spot. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 04:20 -0800

#343169 — Obama FBI still can't unlock encrypted phone of San Bernardino shooter

Lol!  What a bunch of fucking amateur idiots to make that 
admission in the media.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-
world/national/article59424096.html

That's what happens when you hire your "technical experts" from 
Apple and Crisco.

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#343174

In article <d553caee8a92255e73ce397c5227a79b@remailer.paranoici.org>
Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> wrote:
>
> Lol!  What a bunch of fucking amateur idiots to make that
> admission in the media.
>
> http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-
> world/national/article59424096.html
>
> That's what happens when you hire your "technical experts" from
> Apple and Crisco.

Not at all grasshopper. This is a ruse. Its intent is to destroy 
personal use of encryption. Governemnt wants wrest your ability to 
secure your life, whether that involves weakening encryption or to 
strip citizens of their firearms.

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#343175

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 2:50:18 PM UTC+9, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> In article <d553caee8a92255e73ce397c5227a79b@remailer.paranoici.org>
> Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> wrote:
> >
> > Lol!  What a bunch of fucking amateur idiots to make that
> > admission in the media.
> >
> > http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-
> > world/national/article59424096.html
> >
> > That's what happens when you hire your "technical experts" from
> > Apple and Crisco.
> 
> Not at all grasshopper. This is a ruse. Its intent is to destroy 
> personal use of encryption. Governemnt wants wrest your ability to 
> secure your life, whether that involves weakening encryption or to 
> strip citizens of their firearms.

They got other priorities to go after in the cyberspace:

http://bgr.com/2016/02/08/pirates-bay-kickass-torrents-netflix/

GodHesDumb confessed to downloading illegal movies from the Internet in the past, wonder when the FBI will raid his shack full of burned DVDs evidence?

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#343184 — Re: CopyRight Trolls.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 4:01:37 PM UTC+9, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>  
> Takuya Saitoh wrote:
> > GodHesDumb [John Gohde] confessed to downloading 
> > illegal movies from the Internet in the past, 
> > wonder when the FBI will raid his shack full of burned DVDs evidence?
> 
> The FBI would gain nothing from that.
> CopyRight Trolls might try to extort money from him,
> if they thought he had money (they wouldn't).
> 
> They couldn't take him to court using IP address evidence,
> as an IP address is not a person.

http://www.cnet.com/news/supreme-court-wont-hear-jammie-thomas-file-sharing-case/

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#343203 — Re: CopyRight Trolls.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 4:01:37 PM UTC+9, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>  
> Takuya Saitoh wrote:
> > GodHesDumb [John Gohde] confessed to downloading 
> > illegal movies from the Internet in the past, 
> > wonder when the FBI will raid his shack full of burned DVDs evidence?
> 
> The FBI would gain nothing from that.
> CopyRight Trolls might try to extort money from him,
> if they thought he had money (they wouldn't).
> 
> They couldn't take him to court using IP address evidence,
> as an IP address is not a person.

Don't be naive, Jeff.  They can, it's called the honeypot technique!  Look e.g. at how the FBI busted those jerks who just connected to an illegal porn site even if they were hiding behind the DarkNet:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/fbi-crack-tor-catch-1500-visitors-biggest-child-pornography-website-dark-web-1536417

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-fbis-unprecedented-hacking-campaign-targeted-over-a-thousand-computers

And yes, this has been authorized by the court in Virginia dear Moi!

Same technique as they catching those joint growers, just pick up a phone line at a grow shop and go after the customers....

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#343204 — Visit the Wrong Website, and the FBI Could End Up in Your Computer

Security experts call it a "drive-by download": a hacker infiltrates a high-traffic website and then subverts it to deliver malware to every single visitor. It's one of the most powerful tools in the black hat arsenal, capable of delivering thousands of fresh victims into a hackers' clutches within minutes.

Now the technique is being adopted by a different kind of a hacker--the kind with a badge. For the last two years, the FBI has been quietly experimenting with drive-by hacks as a solution to one of law enforcement's knottiest Internet problems: how to identify and prosecute users of criminal websites hiding behind the powerful Tor anonymity system.

The approach has borne fruit--over a dozen alleged users of Tor-based child porn sites are now headed for trial as a result. But it's also engendering controversy, with charges that the Justice Department has glossed over the bulk-hacking technique when describing it to judges, while concealing its use from defendants. Critics also worry about mission creep, the weakening of a technology relied on by human rights workers and activists, and the potential for innocent parties to wind up infected with government malware because they visited the wrong website. "This is such a big leap, there should have been congressional hearings about this," says ACLU technologist Chris Soghoian, an expert on law enforcement's use of hacking tools. "If Congress decides this is a technique that's perfectly appropriate, maybe that's OK. But let's have an informed debate about it."

The FBI's use of malware is not new. The bureau calls the method an NIT, for "network investigative technique," and the FBI has been using it since at least 2002 in cases ranging from computer hacking to bomb threats, child porn to extortion. Depending on the deployment, an NIT can be a bulky full-featured backdoor program that gives the government access to your files, location, web history and webcam for a month at a time, or a slim, fleeting wisp of code that sends the FBI your computer's name and address, and then evaporates.

What's changed is the way the FBI uses its malware capability, deploying it as a driftnet instead of a fishing line. And the shift is a direct response to Tor, the powerful anonymity system endorsed by Edward Snowden and the State Department alike.

Tor is free, open-source software that lets you surf the web anonymously. It achieves that by accepting connections from the public Internet--the "clearnet"--encrypting the traffic and bouncing it through a winding series of computers before dumping it back on the web through any of over 1,100 "exit nodes."

The system also supports so-called hidden services--special websites, with addresses ending in .onion, whose physical locations are theoretically untraceable. Reachable only over the Tor network, hidden services are used by organizations that want to evade surveillance or protect users' privacy to an extraordinary degree. Some users of such service have legitimate and even noble purposes--including human rights groups and journalists. But hidden services are also a mainstay of the nefarious activities carried out on the so-called Dark Net: the home of drug markets, child porn, murder for hire, and a site that does nothing but stream pirated My Little Pony episodes.

Law enforcement and intelligence agencies have a love-hate relationship with Tor. They use it themselves, but when their targets hide behind the system, it poses a serious obstacle. Last month, Russia's government offered a $111,000 bounty for a method to crack Tor.

The FBI debuted its own solution in 2012, in an investigation dubbed "Operation Torpedo," whose contours are only now becoming visible through court filings.

Operation Torpedo began with an investigation in the Netherlands in August 2011. Agents at the National High Tech Crime Unit of the Netherlands' national police force had decided to crack down on online child porn, according to an FBI affidavit. To that end, they wrote a web crawler that scoured the Dark Net, collecting all the Tor onion addresses it could find.

The NHTCU agents systematically visited each of the sites and made a list of those dedicated to child pornography. Then, armed with a search warrant from the Court of Rotterdam, the agents set out to determine where the sites were located.

That, in theory, is a daunting task--Tor hidden services mask their locations behind layers of routing. But when the agents got to a site called "Pedoboard," they discovered that the owner had foolishly left the administrative account open with no password. They logged in and began poking around, eventually finding the server's real Internet IP address in Bellevue, Nebraska.

They provided the information to the FBI, who traced the IP address to 31-year-old Aaron McGrath. It turned out McGrath was hosting not one, but two child porn sites at the server farm where he worked, and a third one at home.

Instead of going for the easy bust, the FBI spent a solid year surveilling McGrath, while working with Justice Department lawyers on the legal framework for what would become Operation Torpedo. Finally, on November 2012, the feds swooped in on McGrath, seized his servers and spirited them away to an FBI office in Omaha.

A federal magistrate signed three separate search warrants: one for each of the three hidden services. The warrants authorized the FBI to modify the code on the servers to deliver the NIT to any computers that accessed the sites. The judge also allowed the FBI to delay notification to the targets for 30 days.

This NIT was purpose-built to identify the computer, and do nothing else--it didn't collect keystrokes or siphon files off to the bureau. And it evidently did its job well. In a two-week period, the FBI collected IP addresses1 for at least 25 visitors to the sites. Subpoenas to ISPs produced home addresses and subscriber names, and in April 2013, five months after the NIT deployment, the bureau staged coordinated raids around the country.

Today, with 14 of the suspects headed toward trial in Omaha, the FBI is being forced to defend its use of the drive-by download for the first time. Defense attorneys have urged the Nebraska court to throw out the spyware evidence, on the grounds that the bureau concealed its use of the NIT beyond the 30-day blackout period allowed in the search warrant. Some defendants didn't learn about the hack until a year after the fact. "Normally someone who is subject to a search warrant is told virtually immediately," says defense lawyer Joseph Gross Jr. "What I think you have here is an egregious violation of the Fourth Amendment."

But last week U.S. Magistrate Judge Thomas Thalken rejected the defense motion, and any implication that the government acted in bad faith. "The affidavits and warrants were not prepared by some rogue federal agent," Thalken wrote, "but with the assistance of legal counsel at various levels of the Department of Justice." The matter will next be considered by U.S. District Judge Joseph Bataillon for a final ruling.

The ACLU's Soghoian says a child porn sting is probably the best possible use of the FBI's drive-by download capability. "It's tough to imagine a legitimate excuse to visit one of those forums: the mere act of looking at child pornography is a crime," he notes. His primary worry is that Operation Torpedo is the first step to the FBI using the tactic much more broadly, skipping any public debate over the possible unintended consequences. "You could easily imagine them using this same technology on everyone who visits a jihadi forum, for example," he says. "And there are lots of legitimate reasons for someone to visit a jihadi forum: research, journalism, lawyers defending a case. ACLU attorneys read Inspire Magazine, not because we are particularly interested in the material, but we need to cite stuff in briefs."

Soghoian is also concerned that the judges who considered NIT applications don't fully understand that they're being asked to permit the use of hacking software that takes advantage of software vulnerabilities to breach a machine's defenses. The Operation Torpedo search warrant application, for example, never uses the words "hack," "malware," or "exploit." Instead, the NIT comes across as something you'd be happy to spend 99 cents for in the App Store. "Under the NIT authorized by this warrant, the website would augment [its] content with some additional computer instructions," the warrant reads.

From the perspective of experts in computer security and privacy, the NIT is malware, pure and simple. That was demonstrated last August, when, perhaps buoyed by the success of Operation Torpedo, the FBI launched a second deployment of the NIT targeting more Tor hidden services.

This one--still unacknowledged by the bureau--traveled across the servers of Freedom Hosting, an anonymous provider of turnkey Tor hidden service sites that, by some estimates, powered half of the Dark Net.

This attack had its roots in the July 2013 arrest of Freedom Hosting's alleged operator, one Eric Eoin Marques, in Ireland. Marques faces U.S. charges of facilitating child porn--Freedom Hosting long had a reputation for tolerating child pornography.

Working with French authorities, the FBI got control of Marques' servers at a hosting company in France, according to testimony in Marques' case. Then the bureau appears to have relocated them--or cloned them--in Maryland, where the Marques investigation was centered.

On August 1, 2013, some savvy Tor users began noticing that the Freedom Hosting sites were serving a hidden "iframe"--a kind of website within a website. The iframe contained Javascript code that used a Firefox vulnerability to execute instructions on the victim's computer. The code specifically targeted the version of Firefox used in the Tor Browser Bundle--the easiest way to use Tor.

This was the first Tor browser exploit found in the wild, and it was an alarming development to the Tor community. When security researchers analyzed the code, they found a tiny Windows program hidden in a variable named "Magneto." The code gathered the target's MAC address and the Windows hostname, and then sent it to a server in Virginia in a way that exposed the user's real IP address. In short, the program nullified the anonymity that the Tor browser was designed to enable.

As they dug further, researchers discovered that the security hole the program exploited was already a known vulnerability called CVE-2013-1690--one that had theoretically been patched in Firefox and Tor updates about a month earlier. But there was a problem: Because the Tor browser bundle has no auto-update mechanism, only users who had manually installed the patched version were safe from the attack. "It was really impressive how quickly they took this vulnerability in Firefox and extrapolated it to the Tor browser and planted it on a hidden service," says Andrew Lewman, executive director of the nonprofit Tor Project, which maintains the code.

The Freedom Hosting drive-by has had a lasting impact on the Tor Project, which is now working to engineer a safe, private way for Tor users to automatically install the latest security patches as soon as they're available--a move that would make life more difficult for anyone working to subvert the anonymity system, with or without a court order.

Unlike with Operation Torpedo, the details of the Freedom Hosting drive-by operation remain a mystery a year later, and the FBI has repeatedly declined to comment on the attack, including when contacted by WIRED for this story. Only one arrest can be clearly tied to the incident--that of a Vermont man named Grant Klein who, according to court records, was raided in November based on an NIT on a child porn site that was installed on July 31, 2013. Klein pleaded guilty to a single count of possession of child pornography in May and is set for sentencing this October.

But according to reports at the time, the malware was seen, not just on criminal sites, but on legitimate hidden services that happened to be hosted by Freedom Hosting, including the privacy protecting webmail service Tormail. If true, the FBI's drive-by strategy is already gathering data on innocent victims.

Despite the unanswered questions, it's clear that the Justice Department wants to scale up its use of the drive-by download. It's now asking the Judicial Conference of the United States to tweak the rules governing when and how federal judges issue search warrants. The revision would explicitly allow for warrants to "use remote access to search electronic storage media and to seize or copy electronically stored information" regardless of jurisdiction.

The revision, a conference committee concluded last May (.pdf), is the only way to confront the use of anonymization software like Tor, "because the target of the search has deliberately disguised the location of the media or information to be searched."

Such dragnet searching needs more scrutiny, Soghoian says. "What needs to happen is a public debate about the use of this technology, and the use of these techniques," he says. "And whether the criminal statutes that the government relies on even permit this kind of searching. It's one thing to say we're going to search a particular computer. It's another thing to say we're going to search every computer that visits this website, without knowing how many there are going to be, without knowing what city, state or countries they're coming from."

"Unfortunately," he says, "we've tiptoed into this area, because the government never gave notice that they were going to start using this technique."

SOURCE: http://www.wired.com/2014/08/operation_torpedo/

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#343231 — Re: Don't download kiddy porn, Tor will expose you.

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 3:10:12 AM UTC+9, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>  
> You (Takuya Saitoh ) quote
> http://www.wired.com/2014/08/operation_torpedo/
>   ＜＜
>   This was the first Tor browser exploit found in the 
>   wild, and it was an alarming development to the Tor 
>   community. When security researchers analyzed the 
>   code, they found a tiny Windows program hidden in a 
>   variable named "Magneto." The code gathered the 
>   target's MAC address and the Windows hostname, and 
>   then sent it to a server in Virginia in a way that 
>   exposed the user's real IP address. In short, the 
>   program nullified the anonymity that the Tor browser 
>   was designed to enable.    
> 
>   As they dug further, researchers discovered that the 
>   security hole the program exploited was already a 
>   known vulnerability called CVE-2013-1690--one that 
>   had theoretically been patched in Firefox and Tor 
>   updates about a month earlier. But there was a 
>   problem: Because the Tor browser bundle has no 
>   auto-update mechanism, only users who had manually 
>   installed the patched version were safe from the 
>   attack. "It was really impressive how quickly they 
>   took this vulnerability in Firefox and extrapolated 
>   it to the Tor browser and planted it on a hidden 
>   service," says Andrew Lewman, executive director of 
>   the nonprofit Tor Project, which maintains the code.    
>     ＞＞ ＜＜
>   Only one arrest can be clearly tied to the incident
>   -- that of a Vermont man named Grant Klein who, 
>   according to court records, was raided in November 
>   based on an NIT on a child porn site that was installed 
>   on July 31, 2013. 
> 
>   Klein pleaded guilty to a single count of possession of 
>   child pornography in May and is set for sentencing 
>   this October.  ＞＞
> 
> Don't download kiddy porn, Tor will expose you.

Were any of the downloaders arrested Linux users or just the dumb Windrones?  Never saw a Govt backdoor in the hobbyware Linux (this doesn't count Android and any major distro sponsored by corps)...

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#343240 — The San Bernardino terrorists, Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik, are 100% dead

On Tuesday, February 9, 2016 at 10:52:56 PM UTC-5, Anonymous wrote:
> Lol!  What a bunch of fucking amateur idiots to make that 
> admission in the media.
> 
> http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-
> world/national/article59424096.html
> 
> That's what happens when you hire your "technical experts" from 
> Apple and Crisco.


The San Bernardino terrorists, Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik, are 100% dead despite how smart they may have been for using encryption.  Moi will be so bold as to make the rather obvious assertion that the San Bernardino terrorists were pretty damn stupid, overall, precisely because they are dead.

So what is your point, Putz?

Use encryption, kill yourself, and then the FBI will never know. Is that your plan, Fucking Moron?

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#343363

In article <d553caee8a92255e73ce397c5227a79b@remailer.paranoici.org>
Anonymous <nob...@remailer.paranoici.org> wrote:
>
> Lol!  What a bunch of fucking amateur idiots to make that
> admission in the media.
>
> http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-
> world/national/article59424096.html
>
> That's what happens when you hire your "technical experts" from
> Apple and Crisco.

Lol! What a bunch of fucking amateur idiots to believe, they mistakenly made that admission
in the media, and that they are a bunch of fucking amateur idiots.

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#343365

dizum coward Cornelis Tromp wrote:

>What a bunch of fucking amateur idiots

According to some dizum coward.  There's some "weighty" testimony...

*plonk*

-- 
"What monopoly?"  -  "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark

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#343423

In article <plprbb5sjujfrm7fd5p0j8so1teqqo19d8@4ax.com>
chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> dizum coward Cornelis Tromp wrote:
>
> >What a bunch of fucking amateur idiots
>
> According to some dizum coward.  There's some "weighty" testimony...
>
> *plonk*

Did you ever figure out who your dad was?

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#343428

chrisv wrote:

>dizum coward Cornelis Tromp wrote:
>
>>What a bunch of fucking amateur idiots
>
>According to some dizum coward.  There's some "weighty" testimony...
>
>*plonk*

"Jeremy" post was deleted, unread.  Nice try, but I'm too smart for
you.

-- 
"(Advocates have claimed) Linux based Android has nothing to  do with
Linux."  -  trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel", lying shamelessly

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#343957

> What a bunch of fucking amateur idiots

The truth comes out...

http://www.macrumors.com/2016/02/19/apple-government-changed-apple-id-password/

*Apple Says Government Changed Apple ID Password on Shooter's iPhone,*
*Losing Access to Data*

Friday February 19, 2016 3:51 pm PST by Juli Clover

Shortly after the U.S. Department of Justice filed a motion demanding
Apple comply with an order to help it unlock the iPhone 5c of San
Bernardino shooter Syed Farook, Apple executives shared key information
with several reporters, including BuzzFeed's John Paczkowski, about
government missteps that may have led to reduced access to the iPhone
in question.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/johnpaczkowski/apple-terrorists-appleid-passcode-changed-in-government-cust

According to Apple, the Apple ID password on the iPhone was changed
"less than 24 hours" after being in government hands. Had the password
not been altered, Apple believes the backup information the government
is asking for could have been accessible to Apple engineers. The FBI has
said it has access to weekly iCloud backups leading up to October 19,
but not after that date, and it is seeking later information that could
be stored on the device.

  "The executives said the company had been in regular discussions with
   the government since early January, and that it proposed four
   different ways to recover the information the government is interested
   in without building a back door. One of those methods would have
   involved connecting the phone to a known wifi network.
	   
   Apple sent engineers to try that method, the executives said, but the
   experts were unable to do it. It was then that they discovered that
   the Apple ID passcode associated with the phone had been changed."
		 
Apple executives said the entire backdoor demand could have potentially
been avoided if the Apple ID password not been changed, as connecting to
a known Wi-Fi network would have caused the device to start backing up
automatically so long as iCloud backups were enabled. Instead, with the
information inaccessible, [...]		 

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#343959

In comp.os.linux.advocacy nobody@panix.com wrote:
>> What a bunch of fucking amateur idiots
> 
> The truth comes out...
> 
> http://www.macrumors.com/2016/02/19/apple-government-changed-apple-id-password/
> 
> *Apple Says Government Changed Apple ID Password on Shooter's iPhone,*
> *Losing Access to Data*
> 
> Friday February 19, 2016 3:51 pm PST by Juli Clover
> 
> Shortly after the U.S. Department of Justice filed a motion demanding
> Apple comply with an order to help it unlock the iPhone 5c of San
> Bernardino shooter Syed Farook, Apple executives shared key information
> with several reporters, including BuzzFeed's John Paczkowski, about
> government missteps that may have led to reduced access to the iPhone
> in question.
> 
> http://www.buzzfeed.com/johnpaczkowski/apple-terrorists-appleid-passcode-changed-in-government-cust
> 
> According to Apple, the Apple ID password on the iPhone was changed
> "less than 24 hours" after being in government hands. Had the password
> not been altered, Apple believes the backup information the government
> is asking for could have been accessible to Apple engineers. The FBI has
> said it has access to weekly iCloud backups leading up to October 19,
> but not after that date, and it is seeking later information that could
> be stored on the device.
> 
>   "The executives said the company had been in regular discussions with
>    the government since early January, and that it proposed four
>    different ways to recover the information the government is interested
>    in without building a back door. One of those methods would have
>    involved connecting the phone to a known wifi network.
>            
>    Apple sent engineers to try that method, the executives said, but the
>    experts were unable to do it. It was then that they discovered that
>    the Apple ID passcode associated with the phone had been changed."
>                  
> Apple executives said the entire backdoor demand could have potentially
> been avoided if the Apple ID password not been changed, as connecting to
> a known Wi-Fi network would have caused the device to start backing up
> automatically so long as iCloud backups were enabled. Instead, with the
> information inaccessible, [...]          

Make up your mind, Tim Cook.  Do you like the back door or do you not
like the back door?

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#343964 — The FBI should stick to killing one criminal at a time.

On Saturday, February 20, 2016 at 12:26:47 AM UTC-5, nob...@panix.com wrote:
> http://www.buzzfeed.com/johnpaczkowski/apple-terrorists-appleid-passcode-changed-in-government-cust
> 
> According to Apple, the Apple ID password on the iPhone was changed
> "less than 24 hours" after being in government hands. Had the password
> not been altered, Apple believes the backup information the government
> is asking for could have been accessible to Apple engineers. The FBI has
> said it has access to weekly iCloud backups leading up to October 19,
> but not after that date, and it is seeking later information that could
> be stored on the device.


Well there is it is. The FEDs are incompetent.

The FBI screwed up, NOT Apple.

Who are these FBI fools trying to kid?

Two terrorists killed 14 people.  Both terrorists are 100% dead and were killed on the spot. If the FBI wanted them alive, THEN they should have kept them alive. Boy are these cops ever stupid.

All that the Federal Government knows how to do is lie. All that the FEDs want to do is spy on everyone.

They know who the players are. Who do they think that they are fooling?  They are too chicken shit to arrest 90% of the Muslims in this country for treason and terrorism activity.

The FBI should stick to killing one criminal at a time.

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#343965 — Re: The FBI should stick to killing one criminal at a time.

In article <12434eb4-e4b5-4012-b0b9-0701264a1b77@googlegroups.com>,
 John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, February 20, 2016 at 12:26:47 AM UTC-5, nob...@panix.com wrote:
> > http://www.buzzfeed.com/johnpaczkowski/apple-terrorists-appleid-passcode-cha
> > nged-in-government-cust
> > 
> > According to Apple, the Apple ID password on the iPhone was changed
> > "less than 24 hours" after being in government hands. Had the password
> > not been altered, Apple believes the backup information the government
> > is asking for could have been accessible to Apple engineers. The FBI has
> > said it has access to weekly iCloud backups leading up to October 19,
> > but not after that date, and it is seeking later information that could
> > be stored on the device.
> 
> 
> Well there is it is. The FEDs are incompetent.

They don't have a Faraday cage to store devices in?

> Two terrorists killed 14 people.  Both terrorists are 100% dead and were 
> killed on the spot. If the FBI wanted them alive, THEN they should have kept 
> them alive. Boy are these cops ever stupid.

Actually they were killed a short time and distance away, on the road while 
running away. More likely police or CHP stopped them.

> They know who the players are. Who do they think that they are fooling?  They 
> are too chicken shit to arrest 90% of the Muslims in this country for treason 
> and terrorism activity.

90% have committed terrorism or treason?

Do you know the historical reason treason was defined in the Constitution?

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#343966 — Like I said, the authorities killed those directly responsible on the spot.

On Saturday, February 20, 2016 at 6:37:11 AM UTC-5, Siri Cruz wrote:
> In article <12434eb4-e4b5-4012-b0b9-0701264a1b77@googlegroups.com>,
>  John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Saturday, February 20, 2016 at 12:26:47 AM UTC-5, nob...@panix.com wrote:
> > > http://www.buzzfeed.com/johnpaczkowski/apple-terrorists-appleid-passcode-cha
> > > nged-in-government-cust
> > > 
> > > According to Apple, the Apple ID password on the iPhone was changed
> > > "less than 24 hours" after being in government hands. Had the password
> > > not been altered, Apple believes the backup information the government
> > > is asking for could have been accessible to Apple engineers. The FBI has
> > > said it has access to weekly iCloud backups leading up to October 19,
> > > but not after that date, and it is seeking later information that could
> > > be stored on the device.
> > 
> > 
> > Well there is it is. The FEDs are incompetent.
> 
> They don't have a Faraday cage to store devices in?
> 
> > Two terrorists killed 14 people.  Both terrorists are 100% dead and were 
> > killed on the spot. If the FBI wanted them alive, THEN they should have kept 
> > them alive. Boy are these cops ever stupid.
> 
> Actually they were killed a short time and distance away, on the road while 
> running away. More likely police or CHP stopped them.

Are you an ASS-HOLE?  Yeah, you are an ASS-Hole.

Like I said, they were killed on the spot.


> > They know who the players are. Who do they think that they are fooling?  They 
> > are too chicken shit to arrest 90% of the Muslims in this country for treason 
> > and terrorism activity.
> 
> 90% have committed terrorism or treason?
> 
> Do you know the historical reason treason was defined in the Constitution?


Are you an Ass-Hole?  Yeah, YOU are one stupid mother fucking ass-hole.

Like I said, the authorities killed those directly responsible on the spot.

If according to the FBI, you can be guilty by association then 90%, if not 100% of the Muslims in the United States are guilty by association. They are all guilty, as far as I am concerned. Throw them all in prison for ever.  Better yet, turn them ALL into fertilizer.

What is the FBI waiting for?  Christmas?

I do NOT see any Muslim ratting out another Muslim. They are all guilty!!! Kick all of them out of the United States.

You are guilty!!!  Siri Cruz is guilty of being both a Putz and an ass-hole.

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