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Serbia is again dictatorship

Started byMelzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com>
First post2019-01-08 03:48 +0000
Last post2019-01-11 14:32 -0800
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  Serbia is again dictatorship Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-01-08 03:48 +0000
    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-07 20:23 -0800
    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 01:05 -0800
    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2019-01-08 11:11 +0000
      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 03:57 -0800
    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2019-01-08 19:17 -0500
      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-01-09 01:28 +0000
        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 19:00 -0700
          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 08:20 -0800
        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 18:37 -0800
          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 18:40 -0800
            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 08:04 -0800
          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-09 07:28 -0600
            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 07:29 -0800
              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-09 09:39 -0600
                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 07:54 -0800
                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-09 10:11 -0600
                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 08:30 -0800
                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-09 11:14 -0600
                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 09:21 -0800
                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 10:10 -0800
                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-09 12:35 -0600
                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 11:44 -0800
                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 12:16 -0800
                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 12:47 -0800
                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-09 15:25 -0600
                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 13:31 -0800
                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-09 17:58 -0500
                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 15:22 -0800
                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship pothead <stonersimpleasthat@gmail.org> - 2019-01-09 23:22 +0000
                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-09 19:34 -0700
                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 18:47 -0800
                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-09 16:32 -0500
                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship pothead <stonersimpleasthat@gmail.org> - 2019-01-09 23:19 +0000
                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-09 20:35 -0500
                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 18:00 -0800
                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 08:56 -0700
                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 09:09 -0700
                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-10 08:23 -0800
                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 09:03 -0700
                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-10 08:39 -0800
                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-10 07:36 -0600
                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Nobody you know <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-10 09:14 -0500
                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-10 11:56 -0500
                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 14:42 -0700
                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-09 14:18 -0800
                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 14:35 -0800
                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 15:52 -0800
                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 16:09 -0800
                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 16:26 -0800
                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-09 19:32 -0700
                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-09 18:53 -0800
                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 19:15 -0800
                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 19:18 -0800
                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-09 19:45 -0800
                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 20:03 -0800
                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-09 20:38 -0800
                                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 05:08 +0000
                                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-10 11:53 -0500
                                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-10 09:10 -0800
                                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-10 13:03 -0800
                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 13:40 -0800
                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 14:02 -0800
                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 21:07 -0800
                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 05:08 +0000
                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 07:27 -0700
                                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-10 06:47 -0800
                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 19:49 -0800
                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 05:08 +0000
                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 07:29 -0700
                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 16:10 -0800
                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-09 19:33 -0700
                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-10 08:07 -0600
                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-10 06:31 -0800
                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-10 07:26 -0800
                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 08:47 -0700
                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-10 07:51 -0800
                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-11 12:29 -0800
                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-11 14:51 -0600
                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-11 13:14 -0800
                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-11 13:56 -0800
                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-11 14:17 -0800
                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-01-11 22:32 +0000
                                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-11 14:33 -0800
                                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-11 18:03 -0500
                                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-11 15:10 -0800
                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-11 16:16 -0700
                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-11 20:35 -0500
                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-11 18:39 -0700
                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 14:40 -0800
                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 15:03 -0800
                                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-11 16:51 -0700
                                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-12 10:57 -0800
                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 14:08 -0800
                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-12 18:21 -0500
                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 16:38 -0800
                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-13 00:42 +0000
                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-14 07:24 -0600
                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-14 06:38 -0800
                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 07:10 -0800
                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-14 09:26 -0600
                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 07:44 -0800
                                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-14 09:45 -0600
                                                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-14 17:16 -0500
                                                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship PP <email2@lizards8912m.org> - 2019-01-14 22:20 +0000
                                                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-15 07:23 -0600
                                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 05:47 -0800
                                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 08:43 -0800
                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-14 08:16 -0800
                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 08:35 -0800
                                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-14 08:46 -0800
                                                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 09:57 -0700
                                                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-14 10:35 -0800
                                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-14 12:49 -0600
                                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 11:23 -0800
                                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-14 12:22 -0800
                                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 12:41 -0800
                                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 13:56 -0800
                                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-14 14:30 -0800
                                                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 14:41 -0800
                                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 11:03 -0800
                                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 11:11 -0800
                                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 11:51 -0800
                                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 13:08 -0800
                                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-14 12:02 -0800
                                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 12:53 -0800
                                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 13:00 -0800
                                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 13:24 -0800
                                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-14 14:10 -0800
                                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 14:36 -0800
                                                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-15 04:11 -0800
                                                                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 06:30 -0800
                                                                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-15 06:47 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 07:04 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-15 08:14 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 08:45 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 09:09 -0800
                                                                                      My vice is better than yours. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-15 10:05 -0800
                                                                                        Re: My vice is better than yours. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 11:08 -0700
                                                                                        Re: My vice is better than yours. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 10:36 -0800
                                                                                          Give me your tired, your poor. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-15 12:18 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Give me your tired, your poor. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 13:19 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Give me your tired, your poor. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 12:50 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Give me your tired, your poor. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 12:34 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Give me your tired, your poor. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 12:46 -0800
                                                                                              Should a rich man ignore a bleeding man knocking on his door ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-15 20:56 -0800
                                                                                                Re: Should a rich man ignore a bleeding man knocking on his door ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 21:24 -0800
                                                                                                Re: Should a rich man ignore a bleeding man knocking on his door ? vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2019-01-16 09:41 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Should a rich man ignore a bleeding man knocking on his door ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-17 07:07 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Should a rich man ignore a bleeding man knocking on his door ? silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-17 12:02 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Give me your tired, your poor. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-17 06:57 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Give me your tired, your poor. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-17 18:28 -0800
                                                                                          Re: My vice is better than yours. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 13:37 -0800
                                                                                          Re: My vice is better than yours. silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-15 17:46 -0500
                                                                                            Re: My vice is better than yours. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-16 07:23 -0600
                                                                                              Re: My vice is better than yours. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-17 07:20 -0800
                                                                                          Re: My vice is better than yours. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-17 07:03 -0700
                                                                                        My vice is better than yours. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-15 15:26 -0800
                                                                                          Re: My vice is better than yours. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 15:41 -0800
                                                                                          Re: My vice is better than yours. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 16:32 -0800
                                                                                            Re: My vice is better than yours. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 16:59 -0800
                                                                                            Re: My vice is better than yours. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 18:01 -0800
                                                                                            Re: My vice is better than yours. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-15 18:50 -0800
                                                                                              Re: My vice is better than yours. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-16 07:05 -0600
                                                                                              Re: My vice is better than yours. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-17 07:05 -0800
                                                                                                Re: My vice is better than yours. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-17 07:46 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: My vice is better than yours. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-17 08:40 -0800
                                                                                                    Re: My vice is better than yours. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-17 12:23 -0800
                                                                                                      Re: My vice is better than yours. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-17 13:37 -0800
                                                                                                  Who speaks for the poor ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-17 08:52 -0800
                                                                                                    Re: Who speaks for the poor ? "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2019-01-17 11:57 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Who speaks for the poor ? silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-17 12:10 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: ðŸ”ŦðŸ”ŦðŸ”Ŧ⏰ POTENTIAL CLOCK TOWER SHOOTER ALERT! ⏰ðŸ”ŦðŸ”ŦðŸ”Ŧ Sir Gerg teh Yechh Master ""Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake>" ðŸ”ŦðŸ”ŦðŸ”Ŧ⏰ POTENTIAL CLOCK TOWER SHOOTER ALERT!  ⏰ðŸ”ŦðŸ”ŦðŸ”Ŧ❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄ Who speaks for the poor ? ❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄  Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner ðŸķįŽ› <root@127.0.0.1> - 2019-01-17 13:00 -0600
                                                                                                        Re: ðŸ”ŦðŸ”ŦðŸ”Ŧ⏰ POTENTIAL CLOCK TOWER SHOOTER ALERT! ⏰ðŸ”ŦðŸ”ŦðŸ”Ŧ Sir Gerg teh Yechh Master ""Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake>" ðŸ”ŦðŸ”ŦðŸ”Ŧ⏰ POTENTIAL CLOCK TOWER SHOOTER ALERT! ⏰ðŸ”ŦðŸ”ŦðŸ”Ŧ❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄ Who speaks for the poor ? ❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄ % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-17 12:24 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Who speaks for the poor ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-17 09:34 -0800
                                                                                                      Re: Who speaks for the poor ? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-17 12:36 -0800
                                                                                                    Re: Who speaks for the poor ? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-17 12:36 -0800
                                                                                                      I'm not the least bit jealous of Warren Buffett. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-17 13:37 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: I'm not the least bit jealous of Warren Buffett. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-17 14:02 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: I'm not the least bit jealous of Warren Buffett. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-17 14:30 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: I'm not the least bit jealous of Warren Buffett. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-17 15:40 -0800
                                                                                                              Re: I'm not the least bit jealous of Warren Buffett. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-17 18:56 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: I'm not the least bit jealous of Warren Buffett. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-19 04:27 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: I'm not the least bit jealous of Warren Buffett. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-19 04:54 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: I'm not the least bit jealous of Warren Buffett. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-19 08:08 -0800
                                                                                                                  Re: I'm not the least bit jealous of Warren Buffett. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-20 20:26 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: I'm not the least bit jealous of Warren Buffett. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-17 14:11 -0800
                                                                                                Democrats are rich scofflaws. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-17 08:10 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Democrats are rich scofflaws. Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner ðŸķįŽ› <root@127.0.0.1> - 2019-01-17 11:18 -0600
                                                                                            Re: My vice is better than yours. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-16 12:11 -0700
                                                                                          Re: My vice is better than yours. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 18:17 -0800
                                                                                          Children of rich parents are the worst tenants. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-15 22:14 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Children of rich parents are the worst tenants. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 22:42 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Children of rich parents are the worst tenants. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-16 03:53 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Children of rich parents are the worst tenants. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-16 04:11 -0800
                                                                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-01-16 02:13 +0000
                                                                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 18:33 -0800
                                                                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2019-01-17 02:10 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-16 18:43 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-17 07:51 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-01-17 16:16 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-17 09:37 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-17 11:22 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-17 12:12 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-17 12:47 -0800
                                                                                              A family of 4, living in a 160 SqFt room, shared housing. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-17 14:59 -0800
                                                                                                Re: A family of 4, living in a 160 SqFt room, shared housing. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-18 08:59 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: A family of 4, living in a 160 SqFt room, shared housing. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-18 10:09 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: A family of 4, living in a 160 SqFt room, shared housing. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-18 10:39 -0800
                                                                                                  Poverty is a vice, wealth is a vice, everything is vice. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-18 09:38 -0800
                                                                                                Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-20 18:19 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-20 18:51 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 07:14 -0800
                                                                                                    Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-21 09:51 -0600
                                                                                                      Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 08:06 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-21 10:49 -0600
                                                                                                          Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 09:04 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 19:14 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-22 07:32 -0600
                                                                                                              Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 13:51 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-22 08:04 -0600
                                                                                                                  Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 19:08 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-22 14:50 -0600
                                                                                                                      Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 12:58 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-23 03:16 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-22 20:04 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-23 08:00 -0600
                                                                                                                        Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-01-23 15:04 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-23 09:39 -0600
                                                                                                                            Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-01-23 16:09 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-23 10:32 -0600
                                                                                                                                Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-26 07:45 -0800
                                                                                                                                  Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-01-26 16:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-01-26 16:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-01-26 16:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-26 08:40 -0800
                                                                                                                                          Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-01-26 16:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-26 08:48 -0800
                                                                                                                                          Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-01-26 19:19 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-26 12:14 -0800
                                                                                                                                      Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Amanda KoXXX <iscariot694me@simplivr4.org> - 2019-01-26 16:36 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-23 07:59 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-23 18:23 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 05:11 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2019-01-26 12:13 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-22 14:05 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-22 14:52 -0600
                                                                                                        Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-23 10:03 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-21 11:00 -0600
                                                                                                      Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 17:55 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Amanda KoXXX <iscariot694me@simplivr4.org> - 2019-01-21 22:01 +0000
                                                                                                          "To Bork" ( to fuckup ) refers to the "Swedish Chef" Muppet. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-21 15:23 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: "To Bork" ( to fuckup ) refers to the "Swedish Chef" Muppet. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-01-21 23:37 +0000
                                                                                                              Etymology of: " This website is borked ". Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-21 17:05 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: Etymology of: " This website is borked ". owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-01-22 03:36 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Etymology of: " This website is borked ". Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 20:03 -0800
                                                                                                                  Re: Etymology of: " This website is borked ". vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2019-01-22 08:29 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Etymology of: " This website is borked ". Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 01:00 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: Etymology of: " This website is borked ". owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-01-22 14:30 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Etymology of: " This website is borked ". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 09:25 -0800
                                                                                                                  Re: Etymology of: " This website is borked ". vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2019-01-22 08:45 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Etymology of: " This website is borked ". Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 06:11 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: Etymology of: " This website is borked ". owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-01-22 14:47 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Amanda KoXXX <iscariot694me@simplivr4.org> - 2019-01-21 21:59 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 14:19 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-22 07:05 -0600
                                                                                                          Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 05:41 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-22 13:48 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 09:15 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 09:35 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-22 14:37 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 11:55 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 16:35 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-22 07:41 -0600
                                                                                                      Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-22 14:38 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-23 10:04 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2019-01-23 12:16 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Sergi o <invaliid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-23 11:29 -0600
                                                                                                            Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-23 14:47 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-23 18:36 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Illegal immigrants are welcomed here. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 05:11 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-01-17 21:42 +0000
                                                                                            No one wants to be banished to the woods. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-17 14:05 -0800
                                                                                              Re: No one wants to be banished to the woods. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2019-01-18 04:24 +0000
                                                                                                Re: No one wants to be banished to the woods. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-17 20:50 -0800
                                                                                                Re: No one wants to be banished to the woods. silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-18 09:16 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-17 14:25 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-17 15:41 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-01-17 23:54 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-18 05:05 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-18 05:26 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-01-18 13:50 +0000
                                                                      Democrats are in the Caribbean, asking for margaritas. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-14 22:53 -0800
                                                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 08:00 -0800
                                                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-17 07:04 -0700
                                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-14 06:57 -0600
                                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 05:04 -0800
                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 06:54 -0800
                                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-14 09:01 -0500
                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 06:22 -0800
                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-14 06:45 -0800
                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 07:04 -0800
                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-14 07:57 -0800
                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 08:05 -0800
                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-14 08:29 -0800
                                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 08:37 -0800
                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-14 16:59 +0000
                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-14 16:59 +0000
                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship PP <email2@lizards8912m.org> - 2019-01-14 21:42 +0000
                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-14 08:52 -0600
                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 16:00 +0100
                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-14 17:04 -0500
                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 14:12 -0800
                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship PP <email2@lizards8912m.org> - 2019-01-14 22:17 +0000
                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-15 08:04 -0600
                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-15 10:06 -0500
                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-15 08:10 -0600
                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-14 16:47 -0500
                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-15 07:15 -0600
                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-15 08:56 -0500
                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-15 08:14 -0600
                                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-15 10:11 -0500
                                                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-15 09:35 -0600
                                                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-15 11:10 -0500
                                                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 08:23 -0800
                                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-15 13:04 -0500
                                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-15 12:06 -0600
                                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-15 13:11 -0500
                                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-15 12:24 -0600
                                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-15 17:44 -0500
                                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship pothead <stonersimpleasthat@gmail.org> - 2019-01-16 01:11 +0000
                                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 17:30 -0800
                                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2019-01-16 01:55 +0000
                                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-16 05:21 +0000
                                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 21:40 -0800
                                                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 08:07 -0800
                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 06:49 -0800
                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 06:41 -0800
                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-17 07:07 -0700
                                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 06:41 -0800
                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-14 09:19 -0600
                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 07:37 -0800
                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-14 09:44 -0600
                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 08:03 -0800
                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-14 10:19 -0600
                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 09:43 -0700
                                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-14 16:59 +0000
                                                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship PP <email2@lizards8912m.org> - 2019-01-14 21:41 +0000
                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-14 17:24 -0500
                                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-14 17:10 -0700
                                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-15 07:24 -0600
                                                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-15 08:58 -0500
                                                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 06:33 -0800
                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 00:10 +0000
                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-14 17:16 -0500
                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-14 17:11 -0700
                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-15 07:23 -0600
                                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 05:32 -0800
                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 09:14 -0800
                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-14 17:11 -0500
                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-15 07:22 -0600
                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-15 08:58 -0500
                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-15 08:18 -0600
                                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 06:45 -0800
                                                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-15 10:33 -0500
                                                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 07:35 -0800
                                                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-15 09:37 -0600
                                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-15 11:10 -0500
                                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 08:53 -0800
                                                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-17 07:05 -0700
                                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-15 10:13 -0500
                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 07:07 -0800
                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-14 16:59 +0000
                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 09:30 -0800
                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 11:19 -0800
                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-14 16:42 -0500
                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 15:36 -0800
                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-14 19:23 -0500
                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 17:45 -0800
                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-14 20:08 -0700
                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 20:41 -0800
                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-14 17:12 -0700
                                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 00:02 +0000
                                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-15 10:33 -0600
                                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-15 13:08 -0500
                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-15 12:29 -0600
                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 10:41 -0800
                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-15 13:06 -0800
                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-17 07:01 -0700
                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-15 17:45 -0500
                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-16 06:50 -0600
                                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-16 09:16 -0500
                                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-16 06:48 -0800
                                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-15 12:37 -0600
                                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-15 17:46 -0500
                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-11 12:58 -0800
                                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-11 14:44 -0800
                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-11 16:29 -0700
                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-11 15:50 -0800
                                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-12 06:40 -0800
                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-12 12:45 -0700
                                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 12:55 -0800
                                            To properly document it, you'd need a better wall, with cameras. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-14 06:57 -0800
                                              Re: To properly document it, you'd need a better wall, with cameras. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 17:51 -0500
                                        See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-14 06:23 -0800
                                          Re: See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 06:45 -0800
                                            Re: See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-14 16:59 +0000
                                              Re: See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 10:16 -0800
                                              Re: See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil. PP <email2@lizards8912m.org> - 2019-01-14 21:37 +0000
                                          Re: See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil. silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-14 11:01 -0500
                                          Re: See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 17:38 -0500
                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-09 19:37 -0700
                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-09 19:44 -0700
                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-09 12:09 -0500
                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-09 11:23 -0600
                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-09 12:46 -0500
                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 10:16 -0800
                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 10:26 -0800
                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 09:02 -0700
                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-09 19:47 -0700
                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-01-09 16:02 +0000
                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 08:24 -0800
                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-09 10:57 -0600
                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-09 19:46 -0700
                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 08:51 -0800
                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-09 12:07 -0500
                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 09:54 -0800
                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 09:00 -0700
                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-10 08:07 -0800
              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 07:49 -0800
                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 09:07 -0800
              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-09 19:51 -0700
                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 19:02 -0800
            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-09 12:04 -0500
          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-09 19:55 -0700
        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2019-01-10 09:55 -0500
          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-10 07:20 -0800
          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-01-10 16:29 +0000
            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 16:34 +0000
            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2019-01-11 05:33 -0500
              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-01-11 15:40 +0000
                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-11 09:48 -0600
                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-01-11 16:01 +0000
                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-11 10:15 -0600
                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-01-11 17:49 +0000
                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-11 17:12 -0700
                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-11 16:22 -0800
                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-11 16:38 -0800
                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2019-01-12 13:40 -0500
                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2019-01-12 11:12 -0800
                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 13:53 -0800
                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 14:32 -0800
                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 02:33 +0000
                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 18:57 -0800
                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-13 08:51 -0500
                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 16:06 +0000
                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-13 12:44 -0700
                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-13 12:27 -0700
                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 13:04 -0800
                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 13:38 -0800
                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-13 16:51 -0700
                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 16:47 -0800
                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 07:41 -0800
                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2019-01-13 12:47 -0500
                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 10:32 -0800
                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 18:57 +0000
                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-13 12:40 -0700
                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-01-13 19:01 +0000
                                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-13 12:45 -0700
                                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 14:56 -0800
                                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 00:53 -0800
                                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 07:25 -0800
                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-11 08:17 -0800
                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-11 12:14 -0500
                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-11 10:07 -0800
                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-11 13:03 -0700
                    Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2019-01-12 13:40 -0500
                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 12:28 -0800
                      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-12 16:24 -0500
                        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 14:32 -0800
                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 14:48 -0800
                          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-12 18:24 -0500
                            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-13 00:42 +0000
                              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 17:09 -0800
                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-11 17:20 -0700
          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-10 12:00 -0500
            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-10 11:32 -0600
              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-10 13:32 -0500
                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 14:40 -0700
                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-10 14:21 -0800
                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2019-01-11 05:35 -0500
              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 14:51 -0700
                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-10 15:23 -0800
              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2019-01-11 05:34 -0500
                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-11 03:20 -0800
                Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-11 08:26 -0700
                  Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-11 07:46 -0800
            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 14:22 -0700
      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 08:36 -0800
      Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-01-09 20:26 +0000
        Re: Serbia is again dictatorship "F. Russell" <frussell@random.info> - 2019-01-09 21:11 +0000
          Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-01-09 21:14 +0000
            Re: Serbia is again dictatorship silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2019-01-09 16:31 -0500
              Re: Serbia is again dictatorship Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 09:03 -0700
    Fake Snit News Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2019-01-11 14:32 -0800

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#484093

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2019-01-12 12:45 -0700
Message-ID<g9uuesFa7ouU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#484050
On 1/12/19 7:40 AM, -hh wrote:
> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 5:44:31 PM UTC-5, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 1:29:46 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
>>> Steve Carroll wrote:
>>
>> (snip)
>>   
>>>> He believes the "data" is "good enough" to undermine the idea
>>>> that a"crisis" is taking place... notably, the term is a sticking point
>>>> for people labeling themselves as "liberals", and it's obvious why.
>>>
>>> No, because when the POTUS is saying that he's about to formally
>>> declare a National Emergency, it isn't just mere "liberal labeling."
>>
>> Of course it is, while they're entitled to their opinion as to how to
>> label it, the only opinion that matters is that of the POTUS.
> 
> Incorrect, as the "Power of the Purse" is not in the Executive Branch.
> The emergency powers exist to allow for the Government to react more
> quickly to dynamic events, which Congress then passes laws to effectively
> backfill those decisions.
> 
>> Not that
>> it makes any difference but, unless I'm mistaken, you can thank a Dem
>> controlled Congress for the legal path that'll allow him to do it. Just
>> pointing to the irony if I happen to be right,  if not, the  bottom line is
>> it's still an opinion either way.
> 
> You're mistaken, since the shutdown started under a "double Republican" Congress.
> 
>>> What's absent is any proof that the Status Quo materially changed
>>> to materially more dire.
>>
>> Of course it's changed, we're spending a larger percentage of
>> available resources, that are costing ever more as we continue
>> building this house of cards.
> 
> Got Cite?  In any event even if you can substantiate, then it was the
> epitome of irresponsibility to pass a huge tax cut last year, since this
> so-called crisis was already well known then.

This is key to understanding how stupid the whole ego push by Trump and 
crew is. They know there is no emergency that requires emergency funding 
-- if they did they would not have pushed the tax break that was not funded.



>>> The data shows that illegal immigration
>>> has not only been chronically present for the past 40 years, but
>>> during that period at rates up to 5x higher than current.
>>
>> I reject the 'normalization is just fine with me' stance.
> 
> Irrelevant, since that's not what I've claimed.
> 
> What I did note is that this so-called crisis of a problem has in fact
> been getting smaller - - that's an *improvement* over prior norms.
> 
> 
>> FWIW, I
>> also consider things like the Social Security worker to retiree
>> ratio to be an emergency. That we've normalized things like
>> this is beyond absurd to me. Your mileage obviously varies.
> 
> There's many things which are serious problems, or even a "slow
> motion crisis".  That they don't have to be immediately solved by
> the end of this week doesn't change them into being non-problems.
>    
> 
>>>>> "Case in point:  it is already known that illegal immigration
>>>>> arrests are down by over 80% from their historical peaks
>>>>> without building an improved wall."
>>>>
>>>> I'll say it again, a fence *is* a wall for the purpose of keeping
>>>> people out and one of the reasons the misleading number of the
>>>> cited 80% even exists is due, in part, to the fact that we *have*
>>>> "improved" walls since the aforementioned "historical peaks".
>>>
>>> In 2017, a GAO audit criticized CBP, stating that "CBP cannot measure
>>> the contribution of fencing to border security operations along the
>>> southwest border because it has not developed metrics for this
>>> assessment."   As such, how much more money do you want to pour
>>> into a pet project that hasn't been able to quantify its worth?
>>
>> We just may have to stop funding illegals to pay, huh?
> 
> *stay.   In any event, its another non-sequitor attempt.
> 
> Besides, when there's research which shows that immigration has a net
> positive benefit for the nation ... why wouldn't we invest in it?
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States#Cost-benefit_analysis>
> 
>   
>> Realistically, all there is to this point is Trump stirring things
>> up based on what he ran on and, in my opinion, he's doing so
>> brilliantly. He is forcing the Dems hand with respect to how they
>> will show the American public they're going to deal with this
>> issue... but they aren't getting it. He's guaranteeing that all
>> subsequent crises involving the border in any way will be fully
>> owned by the Dems. Whether he gets funding for the wall he's
>> talked about or a picket fence the Dems have f*cked themselves
>> either way on this issue... and all over the relatively small sum of
>> $5B, as largely based on their hatred of Trump (which is his MO).
> 
> Oh, there's no question that he's a rabble-rouser and has a team which
> is good at manipulating media.  However, those sorts of skills don't
> automatically mean that good governance is occurring.
> 
> Considering how the 2018 midterm elections swung the House to the
> Democrats, plus how the Republicans didn't gain as much in the Senate
> as was projected, the public really did repudiate this Administration.
> 
> And that's even without considering the criminal investigations, which
> have already had several guilty pleas and convictions - - that circle is
> getting tighter and increasingly looking like it is forming a noose.
>   
> 
>>> Particularly since the rates have fallen by over 50% since the
>>> last mile of fence was built.
>>>
>>>> We also spend a lot of money fixing them.
>>>
>>> Which is merely an admission that the "$5.7B" is a deliberate lowball?
>>
>> It's an admission that we're constantly fixing chunks of fence.
> 
> Non sequitur, as by law, new construction requires explicit congressional
> approval, which is why maintenance funds can't be diverted.
> 
> 
>>>> Is 50+K people/month a "crisis" if you've no means to house
>>>> or adjudicate that number (as soon as they set foot on U.S.
>>>> soil it becomes a taxpayer issue)?
>>>
>>> Deliberately constraining one's own resources is a self-inflicted
>>> wound.  Maybe the Republicans shouldn't have deliberately created
>>> that huge backlog of bench appointments under Obama, right?
>>
>> For the purposes of this conversation I'm stipulating that the
>> Republicans are anything you want to claim, so unless you're
>> prepared to argue that they've hypnotized the Dems for many
>> decades, feel free to answer my questions with real answers
>> instead of red herrings, spin, and whataboutisms.
> 
> Just because you claim that I'm spinning red herrings & whataboutisms does not make that true.
> 
>   
>>>> Should we spend our time arguing over a term so as to pretend
>>>> no solution is required, or for a solution?
>>>
>>> Neither:
>>
>> So we just ignore it? Oh, wait, we don't... we'll also abolish ICE
>> and turn every city into a sanctuary... how could I forget <eyeroll>.
> 
> Speaking of perpetrating red herrings, spin and whataboutisms, you just
> deliberately cut off the quote to destroy its context and suit your agenda.
> 
> And no, I didn't propose ignoring it, or to abolish ICE.   I did note that
> some of the 'Sanctuary City' controversy smacks of being an unfunded
> mandate and how the Republicans have so conveniently stopped caring
> about that particular State right.
>   
>> I also read your other post:
>>
>> "Yup, and as the number of miles increases, so too the maintenance bill."
>>
>> We can 'save' money by just forgetting about walls/fences altogether,
>> right?
> 
> Perhaps, perhaps not.   There are alternative and options which I'm willing
> to consider.  The question is:  are you?
>   
>   
>> "Meantime, Rep Casey (PA-D) said that Kevin McAleenan reported that
>> the estimated annual cost to conduct 100% inspections on every vehicle
>> and cargo shipment passing through a port of entry would be ~0.3B/yr: "
>>
>> Inbound cargo inspections that are required by law and are only
>> being currently done to the tune of less than 3% as I've read it.
>> Can we stop all fence repair/building and just go with this?
> 
> Perhaps, perhaps not.   This may be an alternative and options which I'm willing
> to consider.  The question is:  are you?
> 
>> "And if the cost estimate is good to bring it in under budget, and
>> the geography isn't harder in other spots to raise construction
>> costs, then at this rate it will cost at least $5.7B/0.1733 = $33B."
>>
>> We spend ~$50B annually on 'foreign aid', some of which goes to
>> building walls around the world,  ~one third of which goes towards
>> military/security. What's the ROI on that? Oh, wait, it's not politically
>> correct to even suggest looking at that for "others", we're not allowed
>> to question those expenditures.
> 
> Classical whataboutism diversion attempt, right?   But the bottom line is
> that all appropriations should be assessed...and I've never claimed otherwise.
> 
>   
>>> those who are claiming that this is (a) a problem
>>> which (b) is urgent, and (c) requires immediate funding; should
>>> support their allegation with relevant documentation & facts.
>>
>> There's support, that you choose to ignore it all is your
>> prerogative, just like my ignoring your "evidence" <shrug>.
> 
> There's support?  Just what kind of support?
>   
>> The bottom line is the Dems don't care a whit about border security,
>> not really, because their grand political scheme is to replace Black
>> votes with Hispanic ones. Their goal isn't to 'help' people as much as
>> it is to stay in power permanently **no matter what the cost to U.S.
>> citizens**.
> 
> Nope, because the facts are that the birth trends of current US Citizens are
> such that whites are going to become a minority in the USA within the
> next IIRC 25 years absolutely regardless of all immigration.
> 
> 
>> As there is essentially a relatively unlimited supply in such close
>> proximity to the U.S., ..
> 
> Which just popped up yesterday, right?   Nope, those populations have
> been there for longer than you've been alive.
> 
> So once again, just what has profoundly *changed* of late which now makes
> this some profoundly huge and immediate threat?   Be specific.
> 
> Furthermore, if we turn back your clock to back to when 'America Was Great'
> and this wasn't a problem, just when would that be?  Obviously, prior to 1980
> when workers stopped getting any share of their productivity gains.  And prior
> to 1970 and the Stagflation during Nixon.  And prior to the social unrest of dem
> "Hippies" during Vietnam.   So then, shall we peg it as 1959 to be a nice round
> 60 years ago number?   So then, just what does this era do for all of your Southern
> border security policy stuff?
> 
> 
>> this is brilliant from a 'political power retention' standpoint
> 
> Not as brilliant as fear-mongering.  Instilling fear has historically been proven to be
> vastly more effective at gaining/seizing political power, particularly as it can move
> a lot faster than generational population growth or even mass migration.
> 
> Case in point, consider this southern border bit as a mass migration:  even if all
> ~300K of these southern border detainees from 2018 were literally just turned loose
> and not only given out Green Cards to stay in the USA, but immediately given the
> right to vote in US elections, just how much of a change to the overall US population
> would they represent?
> 
> Well, that's simple:   300K/326M = ~1K/1M = 0.001  = 0.1%
> 
> Now given that Green Card holders aren't actually granted voting rights, all of the
> partisanship voting angle claims literally do not apply:  congratulations for being
> a "Low Information" citizen who fell victim to fear-mongering manipulation.
> 
> 
>> but, like Social Security, this is not a sustainable model in
>> a country where financial gains are already leaving the middle class
>> behind, rising costs and income disparity growing ever larger.
> 
> Oh, so all of those productivity gains which haven't been shared with US
> workers actually isn't going to US Corporate VPs and board fat cats?
> So they're instead going offshore to the poverty-stricken poor families in
> Central/South America, all in order to bankroll them to come here?  /S
> If that really was the case, then why would they want to come here and
> work harder for less money?   And if not, then just what are you trying to
> claim here that's actually relevant?
> 
> 
>> Seems we'll eventually end up with a version of a 'California dictatorship'
>> where there's no real middle class, just the rich... who can buy what
>> they want from 'the powers that be' and the 'lower class' who live 30
>> to lot. They'll never afford anything like "education" because that was
>> priced beyond their means decades ago, as was housing because the
>> Hong Kong ratio has become the norm. This is just how it starts, it'll
>> continue with an ever withering set of services until things like health
>> care or policing will be paid for on an 'as needed' basis out of pocket
>> (read: only for the rich). Prices will keep rising, SS checks will keep
>> dropping... and then things will get really bad...  Slimer should write a
>> book about this ;)
> 
> 
> Whereas you & Slimer are Jar Jar Binks, calling to grant the Emperor emergency powers.
> 
> 
>> I'm only half joking here, the idea that we're insulated from a
>> 'California dictatorship' isn't as far fetched as it seems.
> 
> I'm not joking.  Particularly since your scenario isn't California, but Wisconsin,
> where it was in Republican-led States where we saw "Right to Work" bills
> passed that in actuality totally fucked over the mainstream worker.
> 
> 
> 
> FWIW, I think that I may have detected an actual correlation on just who
> becomes one of these Trump supporters, so please allow me to test it.
> 
> Its a simple question:
> 
> For those over age 40 and pro-Trump, did you lose your job in the 2006-2013 period?
> 
> 
> -hh
> 


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#484101

FromSteve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-12 12:55 -0800
Message-ID<274332a5-32af-4f30-a027-45a77745e80d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#484050
On Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 7:41:00 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 5:44:31 PM UTC-5, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 1:29:46 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
> > > Steve Carroll wrote:
> > 
> > (snip)

> Incorrect, as the "Power of the Purse" is not in the Executive Branch.

Nor should it be... but, apparently, things are different now.

> The emergency powers exist to allow for the Government to react more
> quickly to dynamic events, which Congress then passes laws to effectively
> backfill those decisions.  

I'm thinking that's how it used to be, before a Dem Congress 
opened this door ;)

> > Not that
> > it makes any difference but, unless I'm mistaken, you can thank a Dem 
> > controlled Congress for the legal path that'll allow him to do it. Just 
> > pointing to the irony if I happen to be right,  if not, the  bottom line is 
> > it's still an opinion either way.
> 
> You're mistaken, since the shutdown started under a "double Republican" Congress.

??? It doesn't matter which party was in power *when* any given
shutdown has occurred, what matters is who was in power when
the law was changed.

> > > What's absent is any proof that the Status Quo materially changed
> > > to materially more dire. 
> > 
> > Of course it's changed, we're spending a larger percentage of
> > available resources, that are costing ever more as we continue
> > building this house of cards.
> 
> Got Cite?  

??? The CBO has already proven this.

> In any event even if you can substantiate , then it was the 
> epitome of irresponsibility to pass a huge tax cut last year, since this 
> so-called crisis was already well known then.

What's your point when I've already stipulated that the Republicans 
are the devil. You're notably avoiding answering my questions about  
Dems. 

> > > The data shows that illegal immigration 
> > > has not only been chronically present for the past 40 years, but 
> > > during that period at rates up to 5x higher than current.  
> > 
> > I reject the 'normalization is just fine with me' stance. 
> 
> Irrelevant, since that's not what I've claimed.  

LOL! Stating that is irrelevant...  because that *is* your stance. 
You're so down with normalization you can't see straight anymore,
you don't recognize it *as* normalization.

> What I did note is that this so-called crisis of a problem has in fact
> been getting smaller - - that's an *improvement* over prior norms.

As the only opinion of the term "crisis" that matters is the guy
who will pull that lever, any whining done is just that. If he's
wrong and Congress wants to make a point of it, he has to deal
and we have to pay, IOW, not much new to see here <shrug>.
Speaking of whining, I'd like to see a parade of federal employees 
going into Black  neighborhoods to whine their 'tales of woe' about 
not getting their next  paycheck... I'd actually pay to see that ;)
 
> > FWIW, I 
> > also consider things like the Social Security worker to retiree 
> > ratio to be an emergency. That we've normalized things like
> > this is beyond absurd to me. Your mileage obviously varies.
> 
> There's many things which are serious problems

IMO this is a catastrophe in waiting.

>, or even a "slow 
> motion crisis".  That they don't have to be immediately solved by 
> the end of this week doesn't change them into being non-problems. 

The point you're missing is, we're being bent over backwards 
to  help people who jump the line as we overlook a bunch of 
stuff that you're suggesting 'doesn't need to be solved any 
time soon'. Things like 'priorities' are a matter of opinion, too, 
so we'll always be at an impasse, which is another reason we 
have gov't.
  
> > > > > "Case in point:  it is already known that illegal immigration
> > > > > arrests are down by over 80% from their historical peaks 
> > > > > without building an improved wall."
> > > > 
> > > > I'll say it again, a fence *is* a wall for the purpose of keeping
> > > > people out and one of the reasons the misleading number of the 
> > > > cited 80% even exists is due, in part, to the fact that we *have* 
> > > > "improved" walls since the aforementioned "historical peaks".
> > > 
> > > In 2017, a GAO audit criticized CBP, stating that "CBP cannot measure 
> > > the contribution of fencing to border security operations along the 
> > > southwest border because it has not developed metrics for this 
> > > assessment."   As such, how much more money do you want to pour
> > > into a pet project that hasn't been able to quantify its worth?  
> > 
> > We just may have to stop funding illegals to pay, huh?
> 
> *stay.   In any event, its another non-sequitor attempt.  
> 
> Besides, when there's research which shows that immigration has a net 
> positive benefit for the nation ... why wouldn't we invest in it?
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States#Cost-benefit_analysis>

"are more likely to pay taxes than they are to use public services"

They are " more likely", gee, that's *so* conclusive... the fact is 
that we don't know but try to sell this to the Black community and 
other, legal, low skilled workers... I'm sure they'll all buy it <eyeroll>. 
 
> > Realistically, all there is to this point is Trump stirring things
> > up based on what he ran on and, in my opinion, he's doing so
> > brilliantly. He is forcing the Dems hand with respect to how they
> > will show the American public they're going to deal with this 
> > issue... but they aren't getting it. He's guaranteeing that all 
> > subsequent crises involving the border in any way will be fully 
> > owned by the Dems. Whether he gets funding for the wall he's 
> > talked about or a picket fence the Dems have f*cked themselves 
> > either way on this issue... and all over the relatively small sum of 
> > $5B, as largely based on their hatred of Trump (which is his MO).
> 
> Oh, there's no question that he's a rabble-rouser and has a team which
> is good at manipulating media.  However, those sorts of skills don't
> automatically mean that good governance is occurring.  

Please.. like that's been happening for the last 100 years. What
constitutes "good governance" is subjective... but we know that
the main job of the government is to protect it's population.
Somehow, that's lost on the 'pie in the sky' crowd. We're now
supposed to pay to protect everyone, up until we can't afford
to pay to even protect ourselves, almost as if this was the goal.
Hmmm...

> Considering how the 2018 midterm elections swung the House to the
> Democrats, plus how the Republicans didn't gain as much in the Senate
> as was projected, the public really did repudiate this Administration.

With 24/7 relentless media BS. And it's not just the media, it's
everywhere, if you have a thought out of the lockstep of the
left you're targeted for elimination and/or ruin. 

> And that's even without considering the criminal investigations, which
> have already had several guilty pleas and convictions

None of which, to date, have had anything to do with the reason 
for starting the investigation in the first place. The upside to all of 
this is how obvious the deep state has become now.

(snip wish list)

> > > > Should we spend our time arguing over a term so as to pretend 
> > > > no solution is required, or for a solution?
> > > 
> > > Neither: 
> > 
> > So we just ignore it? Oh, wait, we don't... we'll also abolish ICE 
> > and turn every city into a sanctuary... how could I forget <eyeroll>.
> 
> Speaking of perpetrating red herrings, spin and whataboutisms, you just
> deliberately cut off the quote to destroy its context and suit your agenda.  

LOL!

> And no, I didn't propose ignoring it, or to abolish ICE. 

My point was, many on the left are (note: I didn't say 'you', I said 'we').

> I did note that
> some of the 'Sanctuary City' controversy smacks of being an unfunded 
> mandate and how the Republicans have so conveniently stopped caring
> about that particular State right. 

LOL! That is absurd, there is no such "right".

Again, I stipulate Republicans are devils on this. Which leaves you to
answer why the party claiming to represent (with represent meaning 
to represent citizens of the U.S.) the 'little guy' have spun their wheels
through so many Congresses they've controlled? But you won't. Even
Obama can be seen in many videos paying lip service... but it was
obviously all BS.

> > I also read your other post:
> > 
> > "Yup, and as the number of miles increases, so too the maintenance bill."
> > 
> > We can 'save' money by just forgetting about walls/fences altogether,
> > right?
> 
> Perhaps, perhaps not.   

And there you have it, you finally admit your true agenda in the
midst of fairly obvious sarcasm.

> There are alternative and options which I'm willing 
> to consider.  The question is:  are you?

No, I don't see the sense in subjecting our border states to a
condition where there is no fencing, we already know where
that leads.

> > "Meantime, Rep Casey (PA-D) said that Kevin McAleenan reported that 
> > the estimated annual cost to conduct 100% inspections on every vehicle 
> > and cargo shipment passing through a port of entry would be ~0.3B/yr: "
> > 
> > Inbound cargo inspections that are required by law and are only 
> > being currently done to the tune of less than 3% as I've read it.
> > Can we stop all fence repair/building and just go with this?
> 
> Perhaps, perhaps not.   This may be an alternative and options which I'm willing 
> to consider.  The question is:  are you?

My point was the law already requires 100% inspection, we're only
doing about 2-3%... but hey, let's create more laws we won't follow,
you know, like sanctuary cities laws, that are becoming so normalized 
that people like you now refer to it as a "State right". That they are
not required to aid federal agencies doesn't equate to a "right". If the 
fed wants to swoop into a city and start removing illegals, it can do so,
in fact, it is doing so, even in CA.

> > "And if the cost estimate is good to bring it in under budget, and 
> > the geography isn't harder in other spots to raise construction 
> > costs, then at this rate it will cost at least $5.7B/0.1733 = $33B."
> > 
> > We spend ~$50B annually on 'foreign aid', some of which goes to 
> > building walls around the world,  ~one third of which goes towards 
> > military/security. What's the ROI on that? Oh, wait, it's not politically 
> > correct to even suggest looking at that for "others", we're not allowed 
> > to question those expenditures.
> 
> Classical whataboutism diversion attempt, right? 

Nah, it's pointing out the hypocrisy on the left. When the money is
for security elsewhere, we're OK with it. There is no place where
this attitude makes sense (same goes for your idea of a fenceless
border where people are known to stream over).

>  But the bottom line is
> that all appropriations should be assessed...and I've never claimed otherwise.

I agree with that position, but here we are. Live by the sword, die...
  
> > > those who are claiming that this is (a) a problem
> > > which (b) is urgent, and (c) requires immediate funding; should
> > > support their allegation with relevant documentation & facts.
> > 
> > There's support, that you choose to ignore it all is your
> > prerogative, just like my ignoring your "evidence" <shrug>.
> 
> There's support?  Just what kind of support?  

The kind you ignore every time it's presented to you. Like the word
"crisis", the word "support" is open to interpretation. Welcome to
the world of political relativism. Even the term "security" is up for 
grabs... at least, until the next big 'thing' comes along.

> > The bottom line is the Dems don't care a whit about border security,
> > not really, because their grand political scheme is to replace Black
> > votes with Hispanic ones. Their goal isn't to 'help' people as much as
> > it is to stay in power permanently **no matter what the cost to U.S.
> > citizens**.
> 
> Nope, because the facts are that the birth trends of current US Citizens are
> such that whites are going to become a minority in the USA within the 
> next IIRC 25 years absolutely regardless of all immigration.  

Gimme a break, the Dems have seen to it that those births will 
mostly be from South America to North America, great 'diversity 
in immigration' there <eyeroll>.

> > As there is essentially a relatively unlimited supply in such close
> > proximity to the U.S., ..
> 
> Which just popped up yesterday, right?   Nope, those populations have 
> been there for longer than you've been alive.  

??? That has nothing to do with making political use of them.

> So once again, just what has profoundly *changed* of late which now makes
> this some profoundly huge and immediate threat?   Be specific.

The Dems are making political use of them on an unprecedented
scale. The sanctuary city issue alone is cause for alarm, when you 
have an ever growing number of cities who won't cooperate with the 
federal gov't that's a "profoundly huge and immediate threat":

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Arlington County
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Washington

Chelan County
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> Furthermore, if we turn back your clock to back to when 'America Was Great'
> and this wasn't a problem, just when would that be? 

In 1976, when the Dem Congress opened the door you're whining 
about, the number of sanctuary cities was small.

> Obviously, prior to 1980
> when workers stopped getting any share of their productivity gains.  And prior
> to 1970 and the Stagflation during Nixon.  And prior to the social unrest of dem
> "Hippies" during Vietnam.   So then, shall we peg it as 1959 to be a nice round
> 60 years ago number?  

1976 will do.

> So then, just what does this era do for all of your Southern
> border security policy stuff?  

It was an era when cities and states helped the federal gov't to 
do it's job with respect to illegal immigration. 

> > this is brilliant from a 'political power retention' standpoint 
> 
> Not as brilliant as fear-mongering.

LOL! The entire culture has swung *so* far the left you can't voice
an idea that isn't 'politically correct' without fear of reprisal. The
fear is mostly on the left, they wildly fear even the tiniest mention 
of an adverse political idea. If you dare suggest one the BS begins.

> Instilling fear has historically been proven to be 
> vastly more effective

You only need to watch any mainstream media broadcast, attend
any school, visit any social media site, etc. to see it in action.

> at gaining/seizing political power, particularly as it can move 
> a lot faster than generational population growth or even mass migration.  

So why not do both? That's what the Dems are successfully doing.

> Case in point, consider this southern border bit as a mass migration:  even if all 
> ~300K of these southern border detainees from 2018 were literally just turned loose 
> and not only given out Green Cards to stay in the USA, but immediately given the
> right to vote in US elections, just how much of a change to the overall US population 
> would they represent?

As the Dems do both it's not relevant.

> > but, like Social Security, this is not a sustainable model in
> > a country where financial gains are already leaving the middle class 
> > behind, rising costs and income disparity growing ever larger. 
> 
> Oh, so all of those productivity gains which haven't been shared with US
> workers actually isn't going to US Corporate VPs and board fat cats? 

It definitely is... but that's part and parcel of my position, which
is why, again, I will stipulate the Republicans are devils. And any 
minute now you're going to tell me why the Dems are what they've
sold themselves as,  I just know it...

> > Seems we'll eventually end up with a version of a 'California dictatorship' 
> > where there's no real middle class, just the rich... who can buy what
> > they want from 'the powers that be' and the 'lower class' who live 30
> > to lot. They'll never afford anything like "education" because that was
> > priced beyond their means decades ago, as was housing because the
> > Hong Kong ratio has become the norm. This is just how it starts, it'll
> > continue with an ever withering set of services until things like health 
> > care or policing will be paid for on an 'as needed' basis out of pocket 
> > (read: only for the rich). Prices will keep rising, SS checks will keep 
> > dropping... and then things will get really bad...  Slimer should write a 
> > book about this ;)
> 
> 
> Whereas you & Slimer are Jar Jar Binks, calling to grant the Emperor emergency powers.

No, I think that's a terrible thing and I hope he doesn't do it.
But I do think it's ironically hilarious that the Dems are largely
responsible for his being able to do so.

> > I'm only half joking here, the idea that we're insulated from a
> > 'California dictatorship' isn't as far fetched as it seems.
> 
> I'm not joking. 

I know you're not... you want *no* fence and haven't hidden it well.

> Particularly since your scenario isn't California, but Wisconsin,
> where it was in Republican-led States where we saw "Right to Work" bills
> passed that in actuality totally fucked over the mainstream worker.

LOL! Yes, Wisconsin is *so* much worse than CA... i don't know
what I was thinking ;)

> FWIW, I think that I may have detected an actual correlation on just who
> becomes one of these Trump supporters, so please allow me to test it.
> 
> Its a simple question:
> 
> For those over age 40 and pro-Trump, did you lose your job in the 2006-2013 period?

?? No one is reading this so who would you expect an answer (not 
me, I work for myself)? My take is that many who *appear* to be
"pro-Trump" see him for what he is...  but they also see what's 
been going on for too long.

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#484362 — To properly document it, you'd need a better wall, with cameras.

FromJeff-Relf.Me @.
Date2019-01-14 06:57 -0800
SubjectTo properly document it, you'd need a better wall, with cameras.
Message-ID<Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.14--6.57am.Seattle.2019>
In reply to#484050
Speaking of Trump's wall, Hugh asked:
> Just what has profoundly *changed* of late which now makes
> this some profoundly huge and immediate threat?   Be specific.

The world is shrinking.
Syrians fly into Ecuador and then make their way to the US border;
to properly document it, you'd need a better wall, with cameras.

No one is interested in "the truth", of course;
instead, it's all: "my vice is better than yours".

> For those over age 40 and pro-Trump, 
> did you lose your job in the 2006-2013 period?

I'd rather not ReLive 2006-2009, Seattle, thank you very much. 

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#484449 — Re: To properly document it, you'd need a better wall, with cameras.

Frombenj <benj.fake@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-14 17:51 -0500
SubjectRe: To properly document it, you'd need a better wall, with cameras.
Message-ID<q1j3pt$14ru$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#484362
On 1/14/2019 9:57 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> Speaking of Trump's wall, Hugh asked:
>> Just what has profoundly *changed* of late which now makes
>> this some profoundly huge and immediate threat?   Be specific.
> 
> The world is shrinking.
> Syrians fly into Ecuador and then make their way to the US border;
> to properly document it, you'd need a better wall, with cameras.
> 
> No one is interested in "the truth", of course;
> instead, it's all: "my vice is better than yours".
> 
>> For those over age 40 and pro-Trump,
>> did you lose your job in the 2006-2013 period?
> 
> I'd rather not ReLive 2006-2009, Seattle, thank you very much.
> 

Those suffering from TDS are still trying to relive San Fransisco 
1965-1975. Ain't gonna happen (except in their fantasies)

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#484355 — See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil.

FromJeff-Relf.Me @.
Date2019-01-14 06:23 -0800
SubjectSee no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil.
Message-ID<Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.14--6.23am.Seattle.2019>
In reply to#483958
The Democrats are more than willing to jet off to the Caribbean
and Hawaii while government employees go unpaid.

See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil.

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#484357 — Re: See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil.

FromSteve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-14 06:45 -0800
SubjectRe: See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil.
Message-ID<748f5c80-aabc-4ad6-bc72-ab61a01c3ed2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#484355
On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 7:23:22 AM UTC-7, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> The Democrats are more than willing to jet off to the Caribbean
> and Hawaii while government employees go unpaid.
> 
> See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil.

The bigger problem is that it isn't just the Dems... but I'd like
to know why people think the Dems don't stink on immigration.
You ask and all you get is called a racist, finger pointing and 
told it's all 'OK' because the rate of border jumpers is way down.

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#484398 — Re: See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil.

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2019-01-14 16:59 +0000
SubjectRe: See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil.
Message-ID<ga3tf9Fd9ujU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#484357
Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 7:23:22 AM UTC-7, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>> The Democrats are more than willing to jet off to the Caribbean
>> and Hawaii while government employees go unpaid.
>> 
>> See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil.
> 
> The bigger problem is that it isn't just the Dems... but I'd like
> to know why people think the Dems don't stink on immigration.
> You ask and all you get is called a racist, finger pointing and 
> told it's all 'OK' because the rate of border jumpers is way down.
> 

How is a wall going to stop illegal immigration from Asia and India?

Seriously, do those that back the wall know anything about illegal
immigration at all?

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#484404 — Re: See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil.

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-14 10:16 -0800
SubjectRe: See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil.
Message-ID<27835245-c809-4144-b9d4-dee5ebb7490b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#484398
On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 9:59:25 AM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 7:23:22 AM UTC-7, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> >> The Democrats are more than willing to jet off to the Caribbean
> >> and Hawaii while government employees go unpaid.
> >> 
> >> See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil.
> > 
> > The bigger problem is that it isn't just the Dems... but I'd like
> > to know why people think the Dems don't stink on immigration.
> > You ask and all you get is called a racist, finger pointing and 
> > told it's all 'OK' because the rate of border jumpers is way down.
> > 
> 
> How is a wall going to stop illegal immigration from Asia and India?
> 
> Seriously, do those that back the wall know anything about illegal
> immigration at all?



Do you have a CCNA certification? Despite Jonas 'The Flooder' Eklundh's claim that he has "no experience in making enemies" (a lie as exposed by the fact that he hacked Steve Petruzzellis's Gmail account) he was quoted asking others how they would take down a website. 

Just some names Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll has used
    "Evil" John *
    "Evil" Snit *
    Big Crotch on a Small Fish
    Cornelius Munshower
    CSMA Moderator
    Edward Stanfield
    Fretwiz *
    Hitman Hero
    Measles
    Petruzzellis Kids
    Sigmond
    Slaveen
    Smit
    Steve C *
    Steve Camoll *
    Steve Carroll <noone@xxxxxxxxxxx> *
    Steve Carroll <stevecarroll@xxxxxxxxxxx> *
    Steve Carroll <trollkiller@xxxxxx> *
    Steve Carroll's Dog *
    Steve Carrolll *
    Steve Carrroll *
    Yevette Owens
    Yobo_Obyo
Until Jonas 'The Flooder' Eklundh offers up his 'better' FOSS quick fix for assessment, there is no threat, just wild contentions. Someone's reverse compiled Cooledit with a takeoff of the MaxCliqueDyn Maximum Clique algorithm to automate texts which are in the form of ones from Steve Petruzzellis's. 

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#484424 — Re: See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil.

FromPP <email2@lizards8912m.org>
Date2019-01-14 21:37 +0000
SubjectRe: See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil.
Message-ID<q1ivf2$gh7$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#484398
On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 16:59:21 +0000, Snit wrote:

> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 7:23:22 AM UTC-7, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>>> The Democrats are more than willing to jet off to the Caribbean and
>>> Hawaii while government employees go unpaid.
>>> 
>>> See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil.
>> 
>> The bigger problem is that it isn't just the Dems... but I'd like to
>> know why people think the Dems don't stink on immigration.
>> You ask and all you get is called a racist, finger pointing and told
>> it's all 'OK' because the rate of border jumpers is way down.
>> 
>> 
> How is a wall going to stop illegal immigration from Asia and India?
> 
> Seriously, do those that back the wall know anything about illegal
> immigration at all?

You seem to be repeating yourself again snit.
Rainman mode?
Meds kick in?
<eyeroll>
You might want to check the current ip address on your flood bot because 
you messed up.

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#484381 — Re: See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil.

Fromsilverslimer <silver@slim.er>
Date2019-01-14 11:01 -0500
SubjectRe: See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil.
Message-ID<ricp3e94fsil883m3r9q9npq8rm72f8vre@4ax.com>
In reply to#484355
On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 06:23:27 -0800 (Seattle), Jeff-Relf.Me  @. wrote:

>The Democrats are more than willing to jet off to the Caribbean
>and Hawaii while government employees go unpaid.
>
>See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil.

They're Democrats so no immoral behaviour will ever stain their
ultimate moral virtue!

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#484444 — Re: See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil.

Frombenj <benj.fake@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-14 17:38 -0500
SubjectRe: See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil.
Message-ID<q1j318$119f$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#484355
On 1/14/2019 9:23 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> The Democrats are more than willing to jet off to the Caribbean
> and Hawaii while government employees go unpaid.
> 
> See no vice, hear no corruption, speak no evil.
> 
Dems are libs and when were libs ever NOT hypocrites?

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#483640

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2019-01-09 19:37 -0700
Message-ID<g9npeoFn3hnU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#483589
On 1/9/19 10:21 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 10:14:02 AM UTC-7, chrisv wrote:
>> Steve Carroll wrote:
>>
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> (snipped, unread)
>>>
>>> Bull.
>>
>> Baselessly accusing an honest man of lying.  What a "surprise".
>>
>>>> I think that the *truth* is that it's "often claimed" that the costs
>>>> outweigh the benefits.
>>>
>>> Why spend any money on any kind of wall/fence?
>>
>> Because restricting immigration is the correct thing to do.
> 
> For whom?
> 
> Build it, don't build, I personally don't care. My main point is
> highlighting how "liberals" have done such a turnabout on the
> illegal immigration issue.

So your "main point" is to lie. Oy.

> If U.S. politicians *really* wanted to
> solve this issue it could be done by denying jobs/services to
> people who are illegals and heavier fines/policing of those
> aiding them.

That is a common call by Democrats. That and reform our immigration 
policies.

> But the Dems now want to pretend there *are*
> no people who are here "illegally",

Cite?

Oh. You made that up. You lied. Got it.

> IMO talking about a wall
> just makes that position much more obvious to Joe Citizen
> (we *already* have a wall, a poor one, but it's still a wall).

Who denied we have a physical barrier? Who denied it has areas where it 
can be improved? Quote them.

But you made it up.

You are just blindly backing the right wing again, as you have done for 
years. You do not even understand the issues, as you admit.


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#483641

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2019-01-09 19:44 -0700
Message-ID<g9nps9Fn6v5U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#483578
On 1/9/19 9:30 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 9:11:30 AM UTC-7, chrisv wrote:
>> Steve Carroll wrote:
>>
>>> (snipped, unread)
> 
> Bull.
> 
>> I think that the *truth* is that it's "often claimed" that the costs
>> outweigh the benefits.
> 
> Why spend any money on any kind of wall/fence?

Because there is a certain level it helps... and has helped. But this 
does not mean we should just toss money at a symbolic wall that will do 
little extra.

> Is the purpose not 'to keep people out'? Does having
> it be less 'permanent' sooth you, shelter you from the
> reality that you're *already* endeavoring to do so? How
> does the concept of the 'costs outweighing the benefits'
> apply here but not to areas of immigration that have
> proven to be much more costly on an *annual* basis?

What costs are you saying are worth the benefits? Billions of dollars to 
make a massive horizontal phallic symbol for an incompetent president 
who changes his excuse for it, and his funding method, and the cost of 
it, every other breath?



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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#483584

Fromsilverslimer <silver@slim.er>
Date2019-01-09 12:09 -0500
Message-ID<riac3et98sgdefsk22n2jdl8cphfi0f6jm@4ax.com>
In reply to#483574
On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 10:11:27 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>Steve Carroll wrote:
>
>> (snipped, unread)
>
>Not interested in a snittish 'Steve Carroll' discussion.

In other words: 

"I, chrisv, am afraid that Steve Carroll will once again school my
sorry ass."

>I could forgive the posting of idiocy such as the below, but not the
>snittish attacks against those who correctly point-out the idiocy.
>
>Oh, and has it *really* been "often claimed" that a bigger wall will
>do "nothing" to reduce illegal immigration?  Because I don't think
>that it has.  I think that's just your dishonest right-wing
>propaganda.
>
>I think that the *truth* is that it's "often claimed" that the costs
>outweigh the benefits.

Right-wing outlets do _not_ claim "that a bigger wall will do
*nothing" to reduce illegal immigration." That's another chrisv lie.
They say the exact opposite.

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#483587

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2019-01-09 11:23 -0600
Message-ID<dvac3ehitqmvd6bhgpvho52f5a2fb13355@4ax.com>
In reply to#483584
silverslimer wrote:

>>Not interested in a snittish 'Steve Carroll' discussion.
>
>In other words: 
>
>"I, chrisv, am afraid that Steve Carroll will once again school my
>sorry ass."

Right.  It's got nothing to do with "Steve" leading-off his "case"
with the snittish assertions that I "missed my own cue to provide that
solution" and that it had "not occurred to me" that no wall is
impregnable.

"Steve" could have chosen to stick to the issues, but, instead,
decided to go on the attack.

I have better things to do than fend-off a steady stream of lies, when
all I did was point-out some idiocy.

Any "Steve" or "Slimer" response to this message will be deleted,
unread.

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#483590

Fromsilverslimer <silver@slim.er>
Date2019-01-09 12:46 -0500
Message-ID<pncc3e5kuskmeh4p80n19fkkfgt13qvcg7@4ax.com>
In reply to#483587
On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 11:23:40 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>silverslimer wrote:
>
>>>Not interested in a snittish 'Steve Carroll' discussion.
>>
>>In other words: 
>>
>>"I, chrisv, am afraid that Steve Carroll will once again school my
>>sorry ass."
>
>Right.  It's got nothing to do with "Steve" leading-off his "case"
>with the snittish assertions that I "missed my own cue to provide that
>solution" and that it had "not occurred to me" that no wall is
>impregnable.

Thanks for admitting that. 

>"Steve" could have chosen to stick to the issues, but, instead,
>decided to go on the attack.

I sincerely doubt that between you and him, _he_ was the one to bite
first. You have a history.

>I have better things to do than fend-off a steady stream of lies, when
>all I did was point-out some idiocy.

No, you don't.

>Any "Steve" or "Slimer" response to this message will be deleted,
>unread.

I truly don't care and will respond anyway because I know that you
read everything even when you claim you don't. Your princess-like
behaviour impresses no one.

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#483593

FromSteve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-09 10:16 -0800
Message-ID<4c3ccf5e-dc75-4e33-b371-9bc9890994a1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#483590
> Your princess-like behaviour impresses no one.

+1

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#483594

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-09 10:26 -0800
Message-ID<b5db0f7d-4229-4ee4-9b92-b56d0b6cc51b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#483593
On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 11:16:27 AM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > Your princess-like behaviour impresses no one.
> 
> +1



Many individuals persist in replying to Script-Troller. To be honest, I do not blame Klaus Schadenfreude for his fury but I don't get why he writes here with Script-Troller here. Klaus Schadenfreude is far more interested in discussions as seen in a technical forum and unmoderated environments simply suck for that. Enough already. You're again trying to pretend you are something you are not. You're the dim bulb and your many brainless posts show this. 

Everyone is Script-Troller -- the oldest gag in the book. 



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#483709

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2019-01-10 09:02 -0700
Message-ID<g9p8krF2d9qU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#483584
On 1/9/19 10:09 AM, silverslimer wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 10:11:27 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> Steve Carroll wrote:
>>
>>> (snipped, unread)
>>
>> Not interested in a snittish 'Steve Carroll' discussion.
> 
> In other words:
> 
> "I, chrisv, am afraid that Steve Carroll will once again school my
> sorry ass."

Thank you for explaining YOUR reasoning why you no longer reply to me 
but merely lie about me in so many posts. You are afraid.

I have noted this in the past and you just verified it.

>> I could forgive the posting of idiocy such as the below, but not the
>> snittish attacks against those who correctly point-out the idiocy.
>>
>> Oh, and has it *really* been "often claimed" that a bigger wall will
>> do "nothing" to reduce illegal immigration?  Because I don't think
>> that it has.  I think that's just your dishonest right-wing
>> propaganda.
>>
>> I think that the *truth* is that it's "often claimed" that the costs
>> outweigh the benefits.
> 
> Right-wing outlets do _not_ claim "that a bigger wall will do
> *nothing" to reduce illegal immigration."

Right: they lie about the wall.

> That's another chrisv lie.
> They say the exact opposite.
> 


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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#483644

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2019-01-09 19:47 -0700
Message-ID<g9nq2eFn6v5U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#483570
On 1/9/19 8:54 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 8:39:34 AM UTC-7, chrisv wrote:
>> Steve Carroll wrote:
>>
>>> Wings have nothing to do with my questions, fool...
>>> and brains have nothing to do with your reply:
>> Fact-free lashing out, after having his idiotic "logic" expposed.
>>
>>> Gee, you missed your own cue to provide that solution,
>>> what a shock. At the risk of engaging in another tedious
>>> 'chrisv discussion', has it not occurred to you that even
>>> building a wall with machine gun turrets spaced at 50 ft.
>>> intervals still wouldn't be 100% effective?
>> Snittish, incorrect assumption.  I've made the same point, in the
>> past.
> What changed your position?
>   
>>> (snipped, unread)
> Right <eyeroll>.
> 
>> Duhhh....  Just maybe, we are already at, or very close to, the
>> "correct" level of deterrence?  "Patches" included.
> Translation: You're OK with the amount of money being spent
> (read: wasted) on immigration. Again: what changed?
> 
>> -- 
>> "For that matter, if that's your position, why even bother hiring any
>> border agents at all?"  -  "Steve Carroll", putting his idiocy on
>> display
> LOL!
> 
> It's "interesting", in a "Snittish" way, how you'll quote something
> that so obviously lacks context and pretend you're being 'honest
> and honorable' while doing it ;)

You have repeatedly said you do not care about the wall, and then 
pretended it was key to border security.

Now you are whining about how your words make no sense.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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