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  Halloween Docs Daily Quote "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-12-17 09:56 +0000
    NONE of the Linux COLA Tards crap is worth reading Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-12-17 02:55 -0800
    Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2018-12-17 08:37 -0500
      Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-12-17 06:05 -0800
        Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-12-17 06:54 -0800
          Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-12-17 07:19 -0800
            Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2018-12-17 11:03 -0500
              Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-12-17 12:08 -0500
                Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-17 11:43 -0600
                Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-12-17 21:04 +0000
                  Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-17 14:46 -0700
                  Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-12-18 10:08 -0500
                    Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-12-18 07:37 -0800
                    Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-20 07:20 -0700
                      Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-20 07:23 -0700
            Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-12-18 04:01 -0800
              Halloween Docs Daily Quote Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-12-18 04:19 -0800
                Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-12-19 04:01 +0000
                  Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-20 07:16 -0700
              Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-18 07:34 -0600
                Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-12-18 08:02 -0800
                  Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-12-18 12:05 -0500
                    Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-12-18 09:29 -0800
                      Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-12-19 06:01 -0800
                        Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-12-19 07:19 -0800
                    Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-12-19 04:04 +0000
              Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-20 06:48 -0700
        Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2018-12-17 10:39 -0500
          Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-12-17 10:57 -0500
            Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-12-17 08:11 -0800
              Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2018-12-17 11:33 -0500
                Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-12-17 08:44 -0800
                  Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2018-12-17 12:11 -0500
                  Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2018-12-17 12:26 -0500
                Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-12-17 12:13 -0500
                  Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-12-17 20:58 +0000
                    Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-12-17 20:59 -0500
                      Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-12-19 04:00 +0000
                        Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-12-19 08:54 -0500
                        Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-20 07:15 -0700
                  Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-12-19 05:55 -0800
            Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2018-12-17 11:12 -0500
              Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-12-17 12:11 -0500
                Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-12-18 00:03 +0000
          Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-12-17 08:10 -0800
            Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2018-12-19 19:02 -0500
              Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-12-20 00:16 +0000
                Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-12-20 10:00 +0100
                Re: Halloween Docs Daily Quote DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2018-12-20 09:31 -0500

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#481541

On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 6:34:39 AM UTC-7, chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
> 
> > Fabian wrote: 
> >> 
> >> You have, inadvertently, touched upon the sole reason why GNU/Linux/FOSS 
> >> does not (yet) rule the world. 
> >> 
> >> It is quite true.  The average idiot user is still not aware of the power 
> >> and potency of GNU/Linux/FOSS and this is the ONLY reason 
> >> for the continued success of Microshit Winblows.
> >
> >And yet, there’s thousands of IT folks in Enterprise who are smart 
> >enough to spec out & operate Linux servers every day, yet they won’t 
> >change over their Enterprise’s desktops to use Linux.
> 
> Duh.  That would be disruptive.  Risky.  Expensive in the near-term,
> with uncertain long-term payoffs.  All things that businesses avoid.

Then it would make sense that if Feeb's claim is true, no one
would ever undergo the 'double risk' of switching back to MS
from Linux, right? Yet...

<https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-scores-a-win-over-linux-as-another-state-decides-to-switch/>

> Nobody ever got fired for spec'ing Windows on the desktop.

To hear Feeb tell it "Commercial software has only ONE advantage"
and "No counterargument is possible".  If that "spec'ing" included
compatibility, do you believe it's possible that this "ONE advantage"
alone is all that would be needed for the 'average user' (who would
generally avoid a CLI like a plague) to want to stick with MS?

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#481547

On 2018-12-18 11:02 a.m., Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 6:34:39 AM UTC-7, chrisv wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>
>>> Fabian wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You have, inadvertently, touched upon the sole reason why GNU/Linux/FOSS
>>>> does not (yet) rule the world.
>>>>
>>>> It is quite true.  The average idiot user is still not aware of the power
>>>> and potency of GNU/Linux/FOSS and this is the ONLY reason
>>>> for the continued success of Microshit Winblows.
>>>
>>> And yet, there’s thousands of IT folks in Enterprise who are smart
>>> enough to spec out & operate Linux servers every day, yet they won’t
>>> change over their Enterprise’s desktops to use Linux.
>>
>> Duh.  That would be disruptive.  Risky.  Expensive in the near-term,
>> with uncertain long-term payoffs.  All things that businesses avoid.
> 
> Then it would make sense that if Feeb's claim is true, no one
> would ever undergo the 'double risk' of switching back to MS
> from Linux, right? Yet...
> 
> <https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-scores-a-win-over-linux-as-another-state-decides-to-switch/>

Damn, that's a serious blow to Linux. They switched to Linux from 
Solaris in what was clearly an obvious migration. For them to go from 
there to Windows highlights a serious lack in the open-source software.

>> Nobody ever got fired for spec'ing Windows on the desktop.
> 
> To hear Feeb tell it "Commercial software has only ONE advantage"
> and "No counterargument is possible".  If that "spec'ing" included
> compatibility, do you believe it's possible that this "ONE advantage"
> alone is all that would be needed for the 'average user' (who would
> generally avoid a CLI like a plague) to want to stick with MS?

Asking the average user to use the CLI shouldn't be a that difficult but 
I agree with you that once a typical user is faced with the prospect of 
typing in a command rather than clicking somewhere, they get scared to 
death.

-- 
SilverSlimer
Free software advocate
Minds: @silverslimer

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#481554

On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-7, SilverSlimer wrote:
> On 2018-12-18 11:02 a.m., Steve Carroll wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 6:34:39 AM UTC-7, chrisv wrote:
> >> -hh wrote:
> >>
> >>> Fabian wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> You have, inadvertently, touched upon the sole reason why GNU/Linux/FOSS
> >>>> does not (yet) rule the world.
> >>>>
> >>>> It is quite true.  The average idiot user is still not aware of the power
> >>>> and potency of GNU/Linux/FOSS and this is the ONLY reason
> >>>> for the continued success of Microshit Winblows.
> >>>
> >>> And yet, there’s thousands of IT folks in Enterprise who are smart
> >>> enough to spec out & operate Linux servers every day, yet they won’t
> >>> change over their Enterprise’s desktops to use Linux.
> >>
> >> Duh.  That would be disruptive.  Risky.  Expensive in the near-term,
> >> with uncertain long-term payoffs.  All things that businesses avoid.
> > 
> > Then it would make sense that if Feeb's claim is true, no one
> > would ever undergo the 'double risk' of switching back to MS
> > from Linux, right? Yet...
> > 
> > <https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-scores-a-win-over-linux-as-another-state-decides-to-switch/>
> 
> Damn, that's a serious blow to Linux. 

I believe so, too.

> They switched to Linux from 
> Solaris in what was clearly an obvious migration. For them to go from 
> there to Windows highlights a serious lack in the open-source software.
> 
> >> Nobody ever got fired for spec'ing Windows on the desktop.
> > 
> > To hear Feeb tell it "Commercial software has only ONE advantage"
> > and "No counterargument is possible".  If that "spec'ing" included
> > compatibility, do you believe it's possible that this "ONE advantage"
> > alone is all that would be needed for the 'average user' (who would
> > generally avoid a CLI like a plague) to want to stick with MS?
> 
> Asking the average user to use the CLI shouldn't be a that difficult but 
> I agree with you that once a typical user is faced with the prospect of 
> typing in a command rather than clicking somewhere, they get scared to 
> death.

Given that the desktop itself has largely been replaced by
'web efforts' where the average user is concerned, it seems
obvious that asking them to use a CLI is more difficult than
many are willing to admit. We, here... in COLA, are very far
removed from the average user, we tend to forget that.

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#481589

On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 12:30:04 PM UTC-5, Steve Carroll wrote:

> 
> We, here... in COLA, are very far
> removed from the average user, we tend to forget that.
>

We?  Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!  That's so rich!  Stupo Steve thinks that he
is "far removed from the average user."

Ha, ha, ha, ha!  Stupo Steve is another do-nothing phony that
can only click the ersatz "buttons" on his over-priced Apphole
box.

What's the last GNU/Linux program or script that you wrote?
What's the last GNU/Linux project that you conceived and created?

Ha, ha, ha, ha!  NOTHING!  ZIP!  NADA!

Stupo Steve doesn't even know how an OS works.  Stupo Steve doesn't
even know what happens when he presses the "on" button on his machine.

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#481593

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 7:01:51 AM UTC-7, fr31...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 12:30:04 PM UTC-5, Steve Carroll wrote:
> 
> > 
> > We, here... in COLA, are very far
> > removed from the average user, we tend to forget that.
> >
> 
> We?  Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!  That's so rich!  Stupo Steve thinks that he
> is "far removed from the average user."

Clueless as you've shown yourself to be, even you're removed 
from the average user,  Feeb.

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#481582

On 2018-12-18, SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
> On 2018-12-18 11:02 a.m., Steve Carroll wrote:
>> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 6:34:39 AM UTC-7, chrisv wrote:
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fabian wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You have, inadvertently, touched upon the sole reason why GNU/Linux/FOSS
>>>>> does not (yet) rule the world.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is quite true.  The average idiot user is still not aware of the power
>>>>> and potency of GNU/Linux/FOSS and this is the ONLY reason
>>>>> for the continued success of Microshit Winblows.
>>>>
>>>> And yet, there’s thousands of IT folks in Enterprise who are smart
>>>> enough to spec out & operate Linux servers every day, yet they won’t
>>>> change over their Enterprise’s desktops to use Linux.
>>>
>>> Duh.  That would be disruptive.  Risky.  Expensive in the near-term,
>>> with uncertain long-term payoffs.  All things that businesses avoid.
>> 
>> Then it would make sense that if Feeb's claim is true, no one
>> would ever undergo the 'double risk' of switching back to MS
>> from Linux, right? Yet...
>> 
>> <https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-scores-a-win-over-linux-as-another-state-decides-to-switch/>
>
> Damn, that's a serious blow to Linux. They switched to Linux from 
> Solaris in what was clearly an obvious migration. For them to go from 
> there to Windows highlights a serious lack in the open-source software.
>
>>> Nobody ever got fired for spec'ing Windows on the desktop.
>> 
>> To hear Feeb tell it "Commercial software has only ONE advantage"
>> and "No counterargument is possible".  If that "spec'ing" included
>> compatibility, do you believe it's possible that this "ONE advantage"
>> alone is all that would be needed for the 'average user' (who would
>> generally avoid a CLI like a plague) to want to stick with MS?
>
> Asking the average user to use the CLI shouldn't be a that difficult but 
> I agree with you that once a typical user is faced with the prospect of 
> typing in a command rather than clicking somewhere, they get scared to 
> death.

Any time Windows needs a fix, you're instructed to use the CLI. So this is a 
bullshit argument, as modern Linux distributions don't require the CLI 
either (for day to day work). Personally I like the CLI, but I used it in 
Windows as well (ran DOS programs where I could).

-- 
The more I see of Windows, the more I like Linux.

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#481626

On 12/18/18 5:01 AM, -hh wrote:
> On 12/17/2018 10:19 AM, fr31...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 9:54:51 AM UTC-5, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> while people still don't know what Linux is or care about it?
>>>
>>
>> You have, inadvertently, touched upon the sole reason why GNU/Linux/FOSS
>> does not (yet) rule the world.
>>
>> It is quite true.  The average idiot user is still not aware of the power
>> and potency of GNU/Linux/FOSS and this is the ONLY reason
>> for the continued success of Microshit Winblows.
> 
> And yet, there’s thousands of IT folks in Enterprise who are smart
> enough to spec out & operate Linux servers every day, yet they won’t
> change over their Enterprise’s desktops to use Linux.

They are all wrong. Of course. :)


-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#481462

On 12/17/2018 9:05 AM, fr314159@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 8:38:02 AM UTC-5, DFS wrote:
> 
>>
>> It always amused me
>>
> 
> you are always easily amused.


Own your low self-esteem, Feeb.  And own your utter admiration for the 
mighty Microsoft Corp.

MS has completely dominated the desktop OS and office software markets 
for 25+ years.  Think about the amt of work required to stay on top like 
that for so long, in the face of so many alternatives and competitors.

And $0 cost Linux and LibreOffice hasn't made a dent in all that time. 
What do you think is wrong with it?



> a "hobby" project.

And hobby - no quotes - project it is:

<quote>
I’m doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won’t be big and
professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones.
</quote>

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#481467

On 2018-12-17 10:39 a.m., DFS wrote:
> On 12/17/2018 9:05 AM, fr314159@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 8:38:02 AM UTC-5, DFS wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It always amused me
>>>
>>
>> you are always easily amused.
> 
> 
> Own your low self-esteem, Feeb.  And own your utter admiration for the 
> mighty Microsoft Corp.
> 
> MS has completely dominated the desktop OS and office software markets 
> for 25+ years.  Think about the amt of work required to stay on top like 
> that for so long, in the face of so many alternatives and competitors.
> 
> And $0 cost Linux and LibreOffice hasn't made a dent in all that time. 
> What do you think is wrong with it?
> 
> 
> 
>> a "hobby" project.
> 
> And hobby - no quotes - project it is:
> 
> <quote>
> I’m doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won’t be big and
> professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones.
> </quote>

I miss being able to tell people that I have a (something)86. Nowadays, 
there are so many different models of processors that it's hard to 
figure out if what you bought is any good or not. A10, A6, i9, i5, i3... 
to anyone who isn't paying close attention, all of these names are 
incredibly meaningless.

-- 
SilverSlimer
Free software advocate
Minds: @silverslimer

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#481472

On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 10:57:25 AM UTC-5, SilverSlimer wrote:

> A10, A6, i9, i5, i3... 
> to anyone who isn't paying close attention, all of these names are 
> incredibly meaningless.
> 

It's all very simple.

If it's Intel or AMD combined with GNU/Linux then it is EXCELLENT.

If it's anything else then its pure GARBAGE.

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#481476

On 12/17/2018 11:11 AM, fr314159@gmail.com wrote:


> If it's Intel or AMD combined with GNU/Linux then it is EXCELLENT.


It is LAUGHABLE.  It means crapware like Claws and LibreOffice and 
Thunar and Gambas and gnucash and k3b and nautilus.

Who in their right mind?

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#481478

On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 11:34:54 AM UTC-5, DFS wrote:

> 
> It is LAUGHABLE.  
>

Yes, it is VERY LAUGHABLE watching you attempt to configure a GNU/Linux
machine to bring out its tremendous capabilities.

It is as hilarious as watching a chimpanzee attempting to solve
a Rubik's Cube.

GNU/Linux is for INTELLIGENT and ADVANCED HUMANS.

That certainly excludes you.

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#481482

On 12/17/2018 11:44 AM, fr314159@gmail.com wrote:


> GNU/Linux is for INTELLIGENT and ADVANCED HUMANS.


Back in 2011 I wrote an ode to the slopware:


=======================================================
Best when read out loud.


A is for "advocate", who freeloads the code
Their shameless hypocrisy we do like to goad
Each Monday am it's Windows they boot
Free software means nothing in the face of big loot

B is for bash, they call it a shell
New users are flummoxed and shout "What the hell?"
Bourne Again Shell is it's formal birth name
It's now 23 years old and still POSIX-tively lame

C is for chown, a most geeky task
Watch the NFS files or it could bite your ass
If it throws an ENOMEM and you know what that means
You should take a long break from your grimy green screens

D is for distro, a pile of crap code
They multiply like roaches and they're free to download
You can try 1 a day for the rest of your life
Some geeks prefer it to having a wife

E is for ext4, an extended filesystem
It waits to write data - it delays allocation
4 is the safest with journal checksumming
If 5 has no fragments the geeks won't stop cumming

F is for Fedora, a "community" distro
What I want to know is why they do Spin it so?
They say "Freedom. Friends. Features. First." is their slogan
But the software they give me comes deep from their colon

G is for GNU, a kernel-less mess
The founder eats toejam, in public no less
They say they want software which respects your freedom
But they won't endorse Slackware - that surely is real dumb

H is for Hurd, a long-delayed kernel
The struggle to code it has become eternal
The most inner layer of Hurd is named Mach
The junk heaped around it is just GuhNoo crock

I is for inode, they keep your files ordered
If they run out your hard drive just might be slaughtered
inodes don't store filenames, or data, in fact
ls -i? find -inum?  huh?   What crap

J is for JACK, a sound API
Or is it a daemon?  Pick one and say why
Whatever you choose is the actual meaning
The crapware is still in the middle of weaning

K is for KDE, a once-proud desktop
But lately here now it's reverting to slop
They added plasmoids and widgets galore!
And just turned it into a new open sore

L is for Linux, a horrid platform
If it's on your computer you're just not the norm
You tinker and toy and waste all the day
"Why?" is the question but no one can say

M is for manpages, so-called documentation
5 minutes with them and you'll know frustration
getpid and setsid will become your new friends
You'll slit both wrists open before reaching the end

N is for netbook, upon which Linux fails
The people cried out "We want Windows for sale!"
The return rates were high, and for very good reason
Lunix slop always was and will be out of season

O is for open source, they say you should read it
But only 1 in 1 million really does need it
If it looks just like pages of gobbledygook
You're sane and you're normal and not some Linux kook

P is for package, a collection of bytes
Before you install it you must have the rights
It will only install with the correct dependencies
If you know what this means you have Lunix tendencies

Q is for Quit, though they really mean Exit
Exit means Exit so why don't they fix Quit?
If Quit doesn't Quit and the app doesn't leave
Click Shutdown and reboot the Windows CD

R is for Reiser, a murdering man
He killed, hid the body, then quickly he ran
Five-O caught him squirming in Momma's downstairs
He lied and he weaseled and avoided the chair

S is for segfault, you will see it often
One might even greet you as soon as you login
A dereferenced NULL pointer is one common cause
It's another of the slopware's innumerable flaws

T is for text files, they config the crapware
They're scattered all over, but who really knows where?
.bashrc is hidden, while bashrc is not
The difference is unclear - it's hidden by .dot

U is for Ubuntu, an ungodly mess
Its developers are crappy and need to confess
The forums are filled to the brim with complaints
It freezes so much it would test all the saints

V is for vi, a ridiculous text editor
You'll have better luck evading a creditor
Some say use Vim, that it's quite an improvement
Or so that's the claim from the geek in the basement

W is for women, who really hate Linux
They don't know and don't care how much Tux really sux
They want to be treated with respect and humanity
Is that too much to ask of the man-child community?

X is for xargs, a CLI piece of crap
I'd much rather suffer a flubbed spinal tap
If xargs is "more safer and easy to use"
Why is my poor Grandma so scared and confused?

Y is for YUM, just another install tool
25 package managers? Lunix looks like a fool
None of them gives you the options you want
The hobbyist developers were just trying to flaunt

Z is for zombie, a process that won't die
Your crapbox may have thousands - nobody knows why
Kill the parent process and the zombie could live on
Kill the parent crapware and inspire this alphabet song...




References:
A. comp.os.linux.advocacy
B. http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/
C. http://www.linuxmanpages.com/man2/chown.2.php
D. http://www.distrowatch.com
E. https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page
F. http://fedoraproject.org/
G. http://www.gnu.org/
H. http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/
I. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inode
J. http://jackaudio.org/
K. http://www.kde.org/
L. http://www.linux.org/
M. http://www.linuxmanpages.com/
N. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netbook#Linux
"As of August 2010[update], major netbook manufacturers no longer
install or support Linux in the United States"
O. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source
P. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_package_formats
Q. various Linux GUI apps
R. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/04/reiser-guilty-o/
S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmentation_fault
T. http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/commands/linux_crspfiles.html
U. http://ubuntuforums.org/
V. http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialAdvanced_vi.html
W. http://www.angelfire.com/linux/dfs0/Linux-OSS-discrimination.jpg
X.
http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-unix-bsd-xargs-construct-argument-lists-utility/
Y.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_software_package_management_systems#Linux_distributions
Z. http://www.brighthub.com/computing/linux/articles/79186.aspx

By the way: copyright DFS, 2011

heh!
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#481485

On 12/17/2018 11:44 AM, fr314159@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 11:34:54 AM UTC-5, DFS wrote:
> 
>>
>> It is LAUGHABLE.
>>
> 
> Yes, it is VERY LAUGHABLE watching you attempt to configure a GNU/Linux
> machine to bring out its tremendous capabilities.
> 
> It is as hilarious as watching a chimpanzee attempting to solve
> a Rubik's Cube.
> 
> GNU/Linux is for INTELLIGENT and ADVANCED HUMANS.
> 
> That certainly excludes you.


I'm sensing ad hominems here, Feeb.  You smarmy hypocrite.

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#481483

On 2018-12-17 11:33 a.m., DFS wrote:
> On 12/17/2018 11:11 AM, fr314159@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
>> If it's Intel or AMD combined with GNU/Linux then it is EXCELLENT.
> 
> 
> It is LAUGHABLE.  It means crapware like Claws and LibreOffice and 
> Thunar and Gambas and gnucash and k3b and nautilus.
> 
> Who in their right mind?

Claws, in particular, is especially awful. You know it's garbage when 
Wretched Stallman recommends it.


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#481500

On 2018-12-17, SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
> On 2018-12-17 11:33 a.m., DFS wrote:
>> On 12/17/2018 11:11 AM, fr314159@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> If it's Intel or AMD combined with GNU/Linux then it is EXCELLENT.
>> 
>> 
>> It is LAUGHABLE.  It means crapware like Claws and LibreOffice and 
>> Thunar and Gambas and gnucash and k3b and nautilus.
>> 
>> Who in their right mind?
>
> Claws, in particular, is especially awful. You know it's garbage when 
> Wretched Stallman recommends it.

In what way is Claws "especially awful?" At least it worked, which is more 
than I say for Microshit half the time.

As for LibreOffice, in my opinion it's superior to Microshit Office. (Of 
course, that's not setting the bar very high.)

-- 
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#481520

On 2018-12-17 3:58 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2018-12-17, SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
>> On 2018-12-17 11:33 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>> On 12/17/2018 11:11 AM, fr314159@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> If it's Intel or AMD combined with GNU/Linux then it is EXCELLENT.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is LAUGHABLE.  It means crapware like Claws and LibreOffice and
>>> Thunar and Gambas and gnucash and k3b and nautilus.
>>>
>>> Who in their right mind?
>>
>> Claws, in particular, is especially awful. You know it's garbage when
>> Wretched Stallman recommends it.
> 
> In what way is Claws "especially awful?" At least it worked, which is more
> than I say for Microshit half the time.

Its interface is clunky, the settings are counter-intuitive and features 
which exist in even the worst mail readers, like HTML composition, are 
noticeably absent.

> As for LibreOffice, in my opinion it's superior to Microshit Office. (Of
> course, that's not setting the bar very high.)

I don't think it's better, but I like it more too.

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Free software advocate
Minds: @silverslimer

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#481580

On 2018-12-18, SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
> On 2018-12-17 3:58 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2018-12-17, SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
>>> On 2018-12-17 11:33 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>>> On 12/17/2018 11:11 AM, fr314159@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If it's Intel or AMD combined with GNU/Linux then it is EXCELLENT.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is LAUGHABLE.  It means crapware like Claws and LibreOffice and
>>>> Thunar and Gambas and gnucash and k3b and nautilus.
>>>>
>>>> Who in their right mind?
>>>
>>> Claws, in particular, is especially awful. You know it's garbage when
>>> Wretched Stallman recommends it.
>> 
>> In what way is Claws "especially awful?" At least it worked, which is more
>> than I say for Microshit half the time.
>
> Its interface is clunky, the settings are counter-intuitive and features 
> which exist in even the worst mail readers, like HTML composition, are 
> noticeably absent.

I think intuitiveness is often overrated. Wordstar was about as intuitive as 
nothing, but once you learned how to use it, it was extremely fast and 
efficient. That said, I was able to learn Claws pretty quickly. There is 
another thing about "intuitivety" (if that's a word) ... what it usually 
really means is that the software is like something you already use and have 
learned (not intuited) in the past. 

>> As for LibreOffice, in my opinion it's superior to Microshit Office. (Of
>> course, that's not setting the bar very high.)
>
> I don't think it's better, but I like it more too.

I found out that (for Windows machines) Lotus SmartSuite 9.8.1 is available 
on Archive.org (the TuCows archive subdivision of the site) as 
freeware/abandonware. This version has the fixes so it will work on Windows 
10 and down. I liked Lotus WordPro a lot. I might even see if it will run 
under Wine. Also includes 1-2-3, Organizer, Approach (maybe a couple other 
applications – I just used WordPro).

-- 
The more I see of Windows, the more I like Linux.

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#481587

On 2018-12-18 11:00 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2018-12-18, SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
>> On 2018-12-17 3:58 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2018-12-17, SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
>>>> On 2018-12-17 11:33 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>>>> On 12/17/2018 11:11 AM, fr314159@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If it's Intel or AMD combined with GNU/Linux then it is EXCELLENT.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It is LAUGHABLE.  It means crapware like Claws and LibreOffice and
>>>>> Thunar and Gambas and gnucash and k3b and nautilus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who in their right mind?
>>>>
>>>> Claws, in particular, is especially awful. You know it's garbage when
>>>> Wretched Stallman recommends it.
>>>
>>> In what way is Claws "especially awful?" At least it worked, which is more
>>> than I say for Microshit half the time.
>>
>> Its interface is clunky, the settings are counter-intuitive and features
>> which exist in even the worst mail readers, like HTML composition, are
>> noticeably absent.
> 
> I think intuitiveness is often overrated. Wordstar was about as intuitive as
> nothing, but once you learned how to use it, it was extremely fast and
> efficient. That said, I was able to learn Claws pretty quickly. There is
> another thing about "intuitivety" (if that's a word) ... what it usually
> really means is that the software is like something you already use and have
> learned (not intuited) in the past.

I agree that it is likely linked to a past software experience but the 
reality is that Claws, for the most part, is completely outdated as 
well. Even if it managed to cater to the people looking for some 
simplicity, it is sorely lacking features that people expect to have in 
their mail client. The omission of HTML, in this day and age, is ridiculous.

>>> As for LibreOffice, in my opinion it's superior to Microshit Office. (Of
>>> course, that's not setting the bar very high.)
>>
>> I don't think it's better, but I like it more too.
> 
> I found out that (for Windows machines) Lotus SmartSuite 9.8.1 is available
> on Archive.org (the TuCows archive subdivision of the site) as
> freeware/abandonware. This version has the fixes so it will work on Windows
> 10 and down. I liked Lotus WordPro a lot. I might even see if it will run
> under Wine. Also includes 1-2-3, Organizer, Approach (maybe a couple other
> applications – I just used WordPro).

I'm surprised that they haven't made it illegal to download the 
abandoned software. I completely expect such behaviour from 
corporations. Still, it's not something I'm likely to every try out. 
LibreOffice does the job for me just fine.

-- 
SilverSlimer
Free software advocate
Minds: @silverslimer

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#481633

On 12/18/18 9:00 PM, RonB wrote:
> On 2018-12-18, SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
>> On 2018-12-17 3:58 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2018-12-17, SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
>>>> On 2018-12-17 11:33 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>>>> On 12/17/2018 11:11 AM, fr314159@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If it's Intel or AMD combined with GNU/Linux then it is EXCELLENT.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It is LAUGHABLE.  It means crapware like Claws and LibreOffice and
>>>>> Thunar and Gambas and gnucash and k3b and nautilus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who in their right mind?
>>>>
>>>> Claws, in particular, is especially awful. You know it's garbage when
>>>> Wretched Stallman recommends it.
>>>
>>> In what way is Claws "especially awful?" At least it worked, which is more
>>> than I say for Microshit half the time.
>>
>> Its interface is clunky, the settings are counter-intuitive and features
>> which exist in even the worst mail readers, like HTML composition, are
>> noticeably absent.
> 
> I think intuitiveness is often overrated. Wordstar was about as intuitive as
> nothing, but once you learned how to use it, it was extremely fast and
> efficient. That said, I was able to learn Claws pretty quickly. There is
> another thing about "intuitivety" (if that's a word) ... what it usually
> really means is that the software is like something you already use and have
> learned (not intuited) in the past.

I think the better focus is discoverability... and having more common 
tasks easier to get to.

>>> As for LibreOffice, in my opinion it's superior to Microshit Office. (Of
>>> course, that's not setting the bar very high.)
>>
>> I don't think it's better, but I like it more too.
> 
> I found out that (for Windows machines) Lotus SmartSuite 9.8.1 is available
> on Archive.org (the TuCows archive subdivision of the site) as
> freeware/abandonware. This version has the fixes so it will work on Windows
> 10 and down. I liked Lotus WordPro a lot. I might even see if it will run
> under Wine. Also includes 1-2-3, Organizer, Approach (maybe a couple other
> applications – I just used WordPro).
> 


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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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