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No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server

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First post2018-09-09 00:32 +0200
Last post2018-09-09 23:54 +0800
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  No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2018-09-09 00:32 +0200
    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 16:06 -0700
    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-09 17:19 +1200
      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 22:36 -0700
        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 10:18 -0700
      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-09-09 11:26 -0400
      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-09 18:17 +0000
        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-09 11:50 -0700
          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server anon <noreply@mixnym.net> - 2018-09-10 15:26 -0500
            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 13:34 -0700
              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 13:57 -0700
            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-10 16:39 -0400
              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 17:34 -0700
                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 17:52 -0700
                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 19:25 -0700
            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server anon <noreply@mixnym.net> - 2018-09-10 16:56 -0500
              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 15:00 -0700
              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-11 13:34 +1200
                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 18:39 -0700
                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 18:54 -0700
                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-11 16:35 +1200
                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 23:49 -0700
                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 03:58 -0700
                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-11 06:51 -0500
                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 05:16 -0700
                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-09-11 08:45 -0400
                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 06:03 -0700
                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-12 08:41 +1200
                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-11 14:42 -0700
                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2018-09-11 16:51 -0500
                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-11 14:55 -0700
                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 15:10 -0700
                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 15:26 -0700
                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 14:54 -0700
                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-11 06:21 -0700
                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-12 08:46 +1200
                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-11 14:47 -0700
                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-12 13:47 +1200
                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-12 06:51 -0700
                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server anon <noreply@mixnym.net> - 2018-09-10 20:39 -0500
                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 00:51 -0700
                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 02:26 -0700
                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-09-10 23:20 -0400
                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 20:27 -0700
                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 20:43 -0700
                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-11 16:30 +1200
                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 22:01 -0700
                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-11 14:59 +0000
                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-09-11 17:08 -0500
                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-12 00:28 +0000
                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-09-11 20:46 -0500
                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-12 18:17 +1200
                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-09-12 19:34 -0500
                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-13 13:59 +0000
                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-09-13 16:57 -0500
                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-13 22:39 +0000
                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2018-09-14 20:13 -0700
                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-09-15 11:54 +0000
                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-09-15 08:41 -0400
                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-15 16:04 +0000
                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-15 15:55 +0000
                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-15 11:33 -0700
                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-12 16:11 +0000
                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-09-12 14:10 -0400
                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 11:30 -0700
                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-12 18:35 +0000
                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 12:00 -0700
                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 20:53 -0700
                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 00:17 -0700
    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 23:54 +0800

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#466762

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2018-09-11 16:35 +1200
Message-ID<pn7gne$u2n$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#466748
On 2018-09-11 01:39:05 +0000, Snit said:
> On 9/10/18 6:34 PM, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2018-09-10 21:56:04 +0000, anon said:
>>> anon formulated the question :
>>>> 
>>>> I was considering switching to apple once.  I had to look something up 
>>>> on the web on a customer's apple computer.  They had an apple hockey 
>>>> puck mouse.  After seeing that absolute cheap piece of junk, I never 
>>>> considered getting an apple again.  I still laugh every time I think of 
>>>> it.  Reminded me of the 1950's toy cars from Japan that were pressed 
>>>> out of Jap beer cans.
>>> 
>>>   What has kept me away from apple was the obvious poor design and 
>>> workmanship of that mouse.  Would Rolls Royce put a vinyl seat in one 
>>> of their cars?  It indicated to me a shoddy product.  I couldn't 
>>> imagine what the insides of the computer was made of.  Chinese 
>>> soldering like Radio Shack products?
>>> 
>>>   It was a sign from God!
>> 
>> There was nothing inherently wrong with the "puck" mouse as such, other 
>> than some people apparently being too stupid to know which way was 
>> "up", despite a cable coming out of the top of it and a physical, 
>> visible button ... probably the same people who complain about USB 
>> socket and cables only going in one way because they're too damn lazy 
>> to simply turn the plug over.  :-\
> 
> I think the puck mouse was absurd... it is not just about knowing which 
> way is "up", it is also about just grabbing it and it being natural. 
> And having cables you can put in either way is a better approach.

There are definitely much worse mice. Those mini-mice you used to get 
to plug into laptops were smaller and far more hopeless to attempt to 
use. Then there's the silly ones shaped like cars, etc.

There are also far worse input devices, such as the silly 
micro-joystick things laptops used to have in the middle of the 
keyboard.



>> There have certainly been worse mice from Apple and other makers. The 
>> silly "squeeze me" button on the later Apple mouse was a much sillier 
>> idea and a complete pain in the backside - I always switched that off 
>> on every Mac I set-up for people. Apple's Magic Mouse can also be a 
>> nuisance since you can't rest your fingers on it without it thinking 
>> you are making touch gestures (another "feature" to always turn off).
> 
> They have not made a decent mouse in a long, long time.

The Mighty Mouse was fine, although people who don't wash their hands 
had problems with the trackball getting gunked up.

The Magic Mouse is okayish, apart form the silly touch gestures. It is 
a bit too low profile and seems to have a tendency to pinch your 
fingers underneath it.

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#466773

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-10 23:49 -0700
Message-ID<52bc5e75-09ce-4d3f-b62b-e6aa4bc8f4ec@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#466762
On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 9:36:01 PM UTC-7, Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-09-11 01:39:05 +0000, Snit said:
> > On 9/10/18 6:34 PM, Your Name wrote:
> >> On 2018-09-10 21:56:04 +0000, anon said:
> >>> anon formulated the question :
> >>>> 
> >>>> I was considering switching to apple once.  I had to look something up 
> >>>> on the web on a customer's apple computer.  They had an apple hockey 
> >>>> puck mouse.  After seeing that absolute cheap piece of junk, I never 
> >>>> considered getting an apple again.  I still laugh every time I think of 
> >>>> it.  Reminded me of the 1950's toy cars from Japan that were pressed 
> >>>> out of Jap beer cans.
> >>> 
> >>>   What has kept me away from apple was the obvious poor design and 
> >>> workmanship of that mouse.  Would Rolls Royce put a vinyl seat in one 
> >>> of their cars?  It indicated to me a shoddy product.  I couldn't 
> >>> imagine what the insides of the computer was made of.  Chinese 
> >>> soldering like Radio Shack products?
> >>> 
> >>>   It was a sign from God!
> >> 
> >> There was nothing inherently wrong with the "puck" mouse as such, other 
> >> than some people apparently being too stupid to know which way was 
> >> "up", despite a cable coming out of the top of it and a physical, 
> >> visible button ... probably the same people who complain about USB 
> >> socket and cables only going in one way because they're too damn lazy 
> >> to simply turn the plug over.  :-\
> > 
> > I think the puck mouse was absurd... it is not just about knowing which 
> > way is "up", it is also about just grabbing it and it being natural. 
> > And having cables you can put in either way is a better approach.
> 
> There are definitely much worse mice. Those mini-mice you used to get 
> to plug into laptops were smaller and far more hopeless to attempt to 
> use. Then there's the silly ones shaped like cars, etc.
> 
> There are also far worse input devices, such as the silly 
> micro-joystick things laptops used to have in the middle of the 
> keyboard.
> 
> 
> 
> >> There have certainly been worse mice from Apple and other makers. The 
> >> silly "squeeze me" button on the later Apple mouse was a much sillier 
> >> idea and a complete pain in the backside - I always switched that off 
> >> on every Mac I set-up for people. Apple's Magic Mouse can also be a 
> >> nuisance since you can't rest your fingers on it without it thinking 
> >> you are making touch gestures (another "feature" to always turn off).
> > 
> > They have not made a decent mouse in a long, long time.
> 
> The Mighty Mouse was fine, although people who don't wash their hands 
> had problems with the trackball getting gunked up.
> 
> The Magic Mouse is okayish, apart form the silly touch gestures. It is 
> a bit too low profile and seems to have a tendency to pinch your 
> fingers underneath it.



The teller of untruths does it every time. Then the flood begins. Because the wimp just has to run to other groups. Now that nobody is replying to Steven Carroll, he's making it sound like he's outsmarted us all -- when in fact, people are just beating him at his own game. 

Steven Carroll has cut down on the zillions of self-serving, insane posts he used to write but he is consistent in the honesty territory. He just uses socks more now to generate those threads. 

The person you are replying to is in my kill file. You've proven nothing. Can you get a little less dense? 

--
"You'll notice how quickly he loses interest when everything is about him. He clearly wants the attention"
Steve Carroll, making the dumbest comment ever uttered.

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#466788

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-11 03:58 -0700
Message-ID<5bbf6fde-0682-4dca-ba5c-2353b3e717ab@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#466773
On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 11:49:23 PM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 9:36:01 PM UTC-7, Your Name wrote:
> > On 2018-09-11 01:39:05 +0000, Snit said:
> > > On 9/10/18 6:34 PM, Your Name wrote:
> > >> On 2018-09-10 21:56:04 +0000, anon said:
> > >>> anon formulated the question :
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> I was considering switching to apple once.  I had to look something up 
> > >>>> on the web on a customer's apple computer.  They had an apple hockey 
> > >>>> puck mouse.  After seeing that absolute cheap piece of junk, I never 
> > >>>> considered getting an apple again.  I still laugh every time I think of 
> > >>>> it.  Reminded me of the 1950's toy cars from Japan that were pressed 
> > >>>> out of Jap beer cans.
> > >>> 
> > >>>   What has kept me away from apple was the obvious poor design and 
> > >>> workmanship of that mouse.  Would Rolls Royce put a vinyl seat in one 
> > >>> of their cars?  It indicated to me a shoddy product.  I couldn't 
> > >>> imagine what the insides of the computer was made of.  Chinese 
> > >>> soldering like Radio Shack products?
> > >>> 
> > >>>   It was a sign from God!
> > >> 
> > >> There was nothing inherently wrong with the "puck" mouse as such, other 
> > >> than some people apparently being too stupid to know which way was 
> > >> "up", despite a cable coming out of the top of it and a physical, 
> > >> visible button ... probably the same people who complain about USB 
> > >> socket and cables only going in one way because they're too damn lazy 
> > >> to simply turn the plug over.  :-\
> > > 
> > > I think the puck mouse was absurd... it is not just about knowing which 
> > > way is "up", it is also about just grabbing it and it being natural. 
> > > And having cables you can put in either way is a better approach.
> > 
> > There are definitely much worse mice. Those mini-mice you used to get 
> > to plug into laptops were smaller and far more hopeless to attempt to 
> > use. Then there's the silly ones shaped like cars, etc.
> > 
> > There are also far worse input devices, such as the silly 
> > micro-joystick things laptops used to have in the middle of the 
> > keyboard.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >> There have certainly been worse mice from Apple and other makers. The 
> > >> silly "squeeze me" button on the later Apple mouse was a much sillier 
> > >> idea and a complete pain in the backside - I always switched that off 
> > >> on every Mac I set-up for people. Apple's Magic Mouse can also be a 
> > >> nuisance since you can't rest your fingers on it without it thinking 
> > >> you are making touch gestures (another "feature" to always turn off).
> > > 
> > > They have not made a decent mouse in a long, long time.
> > 
> > The Mighty Mouse was fine, although people who don't wash their hands 
> > had problems with the trackball getting gunked up.
> > 
> > The Magic Mouse is okayish, apart form the silly touch gestures. It is 
> > a bit too low profile and seems to have a tendency to pinch your 
> > fingers underneath it.
> 
> 
> 
> The teller of untruths does it every time. Then the flood begins. Because the wimp just has to run to other groups. Now that nobody is replying to Steven Carroll, he's making it sound like he's outsmarted us all -- when in fact, people are just beating him at his own game. 
> 
> Steven Carroll has cut down on the zillions of self-serving, insane posts he used to write but he is consistent in the honesty territory. He just uses socks more now to generate those threads. 
> 
> The person you are replying to is in my kill file. You've proven nothing. Can you get a little less dense? 
> 
> --
> "You'll notice how quickly he loses interest when everything is about him. He clearly wants the attention"
> Steve Carroll, making the dumbest comment ever uttered.



Can you cease seeking for my attention? He is as incompetent as flatfish+++. flatfish+++ must know Melzzzzz knows he is just being a moron! 

Can UTF-8 characters be concatenated into a string with a logical connection to the "real" world; that is the question posed recently by those astonished at the fire-hose of nonsense from assorted google-posters and basement-dwelling ultra-cranks. For most I would merely suspect it is doubtful. However, given that it's flatfish+++ I would drop that step and go straight to 'bullshit' because that's most of what he does. IOW, he's earned it. 

Too much glue for you, flatfish+++. 

--
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https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.lang.c/KDQrv8appR8
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.lang.c/KDQrv8appR8
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.os.linux.advocacy/smzXrBhsWf4
Jonas Eklundh Communication AB

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#466793

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-09-11 06:51 -0500
Message-ID<ctafpdt3e0r58dukcnc4g7vgmiaqgi6une@4ax.com>
In reply to#466762
Your Name wrote:

> some thing wrote:
>> 
>> I think the puck mouse was absurd... it is not just about knowing which 
>> way is "up", it is also about just grabbing it and it being natural. 
>> And having cables you can put in either way is a better approach.
>
>There are definitely much worse mice. Those mini-mice you used to get 
>to plug into laptops were smaller and far more hopeless to attempt to 
>use. Then there's the silly ones shaped like cars, etc.
>
>There are also far worse input devices, such as the silly 
>micro-joystick things laptops used to have in the middle of the 
>keyboard.
 
>> They have not made a decent mouse in a long, long time.
>
>The Mighty Mouse was fine, although people who don't wash their hands 
>had problems with the trackball getting gunked up.
>
>The Magic Mouse is okayish, apart form the silly touch gestures. It is 
>a bit too low profile and seems to have a tendency to pinch your 
>fingers underneath it.

As long as it's something as easily replaceable as a mouse, I can
forgive any sort of bold experiment.  Choice is good!

-- 
"The longer messages are encoded to try to make sure only those who
troll can read them, but they are too dim to figure out if they share
their public key ANYONE who cares can read them."  -  some thing,
putting its ignorance on display

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#466796

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-11 05:16 -0700
Message-ID<328c812f-8dc6-4dca-8165-0262ff2a1c6d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#466793
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 4:51:16 AM UTC-7, chrisv wrote:
> Your Name wrote:
> 
> > some thing wrote:
> >> 
> >> I think the puck mouse was absurd... it is not just about knowing which 
> >> way is "up", it is also about just grabbing it and it being natural. 
> >> And having cables you can put in either way is a better approach.
> >
> >There are definitely much worse mice. Those mini-mice you used to get 
> >to plug into laptops were smaller and far more hopeless to attempt to 
> >use. Then there's the silly ones shaped like cars, etc.
> >
> >There are also far worse input devices, such as the silly 
> >micro-joystick things laptops used to have in the middle of the 
> >keyboard.
>  
> >> They have not made a decent mouse in a long, long time.
> >
> >The Mighty Mouse was fine, although people who don't wash their hands 
> >had problems with the trackball getting gunked up.
> >
> >The Magic Mouse is okayish, apart form the silly touch gestures. It is 
> >a bit too low profile and seems to have a tendency to pinch your 
> >fingers underneath it.
> 
> As long as it's something as easily replaceable as a mouse, I can
> forgive any sort of bold experiment.  Choice is good!
> 
> -- 
> "The longer messages are encoded to try to make sure only those who
> troll can read them, but they are too dim to figure out if they share
> their public key ANYONE who cares can read them."  -  some thing,
> putting its ignorance on display



Sandman fabricates stories.  Here is a list of names Jonas Eklundh has admitted he attributes to Klaus Schadenfreude "Cactus Pete", "Donald", "Donald Miller", "Horace McSwain", "Hymen", "meat", "Mike Weaver", "Modena IV Drid", "Omar Murad Asfour", "Rhino Plastee", "Soapy", "SopwithCamel", "Sunny Day", "Takuya Saitoh", "The Letter Q", "tmelmosfire", "zevon". And the herd is stupid enough to believe him. 

Please give a single time of a profitable business that has earned its position by not giving a shit about its customers and products. 

Doomsdrzej just wiped the floor with Klaus Schadenfreude. Nearly all people in this forum do programming either as a hobby or as a job, so I am skeptical Doomsdrzej thinks of writing macros to be "impossible". 



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#466798

FromDFS <nospam@nospam.com>
Date2018-09-11 08:45 -0400
Message-ID<0OOlD.6988$fE2.4033@fx30.iad>
In reply to#466793
On 9/11/2018 7:51 AM, shitv wrote:

> "The longer messages are encoded to try to make sure only those who
> troll can read them, but they are too dim to figure out if they share
> their public key ANYONE who cares can read them."  -  some thing,
> putting its ignorance on display


"3 of 5 cs 4 of 5 is actually a very small difference" - turd, putting 
his idiocy, innumeracy and poor keyboard skills on display

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#466800

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-11 06:03 -0700
Message-ID<4a5f4f7f-99b8-4fdb-b107-7936e00ca0bb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#466798
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 5:45:51 AM UTC-7, DFS wrote:
> On 9/11/2018 7:51 AM, shitv wrote:
> 
> > "The longer messages are encoded to try to make sure only those who
> > troll can read them, but they are too dim to figure out if they share
> > their public key ANYONE who cares can read them."  -  some thing,
> > putting its ignorance on display
> 
> 
> "3 of 5 cs 4 of 5 is actually a very small difference" - turd, putting 
> his idiocy, innumeracy and poor keyboard skills on display



Facts about Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll

Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll is a nearly 60 year old guy who is single, broke and has no skills. He blames Peter the Klöwn for his loss of his wife and girlfriend. Steven is jealous of what Peter the Klöwn has and in a narcissistic rage repeatedly works to take it away from him. For over 10 years he has failed at even this. Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll is an utter failure in life.

Of his online life Steven says

    I've been booted off by past providers before because people
    complain about me and all my bullshit. I don't want to lose my ISP
    *again* but I still need my army of sock puppets so I continually
    search usenet for whatever servers I haven't yet been booted
    from.
    
Some examples where Steven has been booted

X10 Hosting booted Steven for inappropriate activity
http://tinyurl.com/z92qmz4

Comcast booted Steven for inappropriate activity 
http://tinyurl.com/h75nh9l

FreeHostingEU booted Steven for copyright infringement http://devsite.eu.pn

AwardSpace (atwebpages.com) booted Steven for breaking terms of service
http://demsites.atwebpages.com/pokeman

Imgur took down an image for breaking terms of service http://imgur.com/yv2XppE

Had a GigaNews account which was removed for harassing Peter the Klöwn

Stopped posting from his fretwizzen Google account since shortly after I complained. Seems he lost that too.

His wife booted Steven to the curb for cheating on her


    
Only site Steven Petruzzellis has pointed to that has ever been available
http://web.archive.org/web/20161019062351/http://www.oldneighborhoodrestaurant.net/
https://goo.gl/DMno6J

Made by the Go Daddy Website builder and is utter crap. Later he denied he said he was merely taking credit for someone else's work but Steven is the contact person http://tinyurl.com/hcw6dul
http://web.archive.org/web/20161202192456/http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820

He also bragged he was working on an update and showed it here https://vid.me/u6RK

The business still failed.

He likely went to the Go Daddy Website Builder after he failed to get WordPress installed.

https://mu.wordpress.org/forums/topic/13879


This is why Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll attacks Peter the Klöwn. 


Steven Petruzzellis was is divorced because his wife caught him screwing another woman.

Peter the Klöwn is married and by all appearances happily so. 
He never complains about his wife in COLA.


Steven Petruzzellis is living on charity of a friend in a single room.

Peter the Klöwn does not live in a mansion or even a high end home but has a house and a yard.


Steven Petruzzellis has two kids but no respect. He repeatedly called Ryan his "little screwup" and refers to his son Steve as a "dick" and worse. He says at least one of them likely hacked his computer and is a "mentally deficient child." He mocks his possible future daughter-in-law as someone who takes too many selfies and is focused only on herself

Peter the Klöwn has two kids (or more) and never speaks poorly of them in public. 
No reason to think they are not a happy family.


Steven Petruzzellis claims to be a stay at home dad who pays thousands of dollars for day care. Steven has no job and no purpose in life. Steven has given up and now seeks a mother-figure to date. 

Peter the Klöwn has his own business doing technical work and also teaches. 
Peter the Klöwn offers a true contribution to society. 
Teachers are truly under appreciated.

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#466861

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2018-09-12 08:41 +1200
Message-ID<pn999m$ol$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#466793
On 2018-09-11 11:51:14 +0000, chrisv said:
> Your Name wrote:
>> some thing wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think the puck mouse was absurd... it is not just about knowing which
>>> way is "up", it is also about just grabbing it and it being natural.
>>> And having cables you can put in either way is a better approach.
>> 
>> There are definitely much worse mice. Those mini-mice you used to get
>> to plug into laptops were smaller and far more hopeless to attempt to
>> use. Then there's the silly ones shaped like cars, etc.
>> 
>> There are also far worse input devices, such as the silly
>> micro-joystick things laptops used to have in the middle of the
>> keyboard.
>> 
>>> They have not made a decent mouse in a long, long time.
>> 
>> The Mighty Mouse was fine, although people who don't wash their hands
>> had problems with the trackball getting gunked up.
>> 
>> The Magic Mouse is okayish, apart form the silly touch gestures. It is
>> a bit too low profile and seems to have a tendency to pinch your
>> fingers underneath it.
> 
> As long as it's something as easily replaceable as a mouse, I can
> forgive any sort of bold experiment.  Choice is good!

Buy the Mac Mini ... it doesn't come with any mouse at all.  :-)

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#466868

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-09-11 14:42 -0700
Message-ID<fvqr6bFtqbdU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#466861
On 9/11/18 1:41 PM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-09-11 11:51:14 +0000, chrisv said:
>> Your Name wrote:
>>> some thing wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think the puck mouse was absurd... it is not just about knowing which
>>>> way is "up", it is also about just grabbing it and it being natural.
>>>> And having cables you can put in either way is a better approach.
>>>
>>> There are definitely much worse mice. Those mini-mice you used to get
>>> to plug into laptops were smaller and far more hopeless to attempt to
>>> use. Then there's the silly ones shaped like cars, etc.
>>>
>>> There are also far worse input devices, such as the silly
>>> micro-joystick things laptops used to have in the middle of the
>>> keyboard.
>>>
>>>> They have not made a decent mouse in a long, long time.
>>>
>>> The Mighty Mouse was fine, although people who don't wash their hands
>>> had problems with the trackball getting gunked up.
>>>
>>> The Magic Mouse is okayish, apart form the silly touch gestures. It is
>>> a bit too low profile and seems to have a tendency to pinch your
>>> fingers underneath it.
>>
>> As long as it's something as easily replaceable as a mouse, I can
>> forgive any sort of bold experiment.  Choice is good!
> 
> Buy the Mac Mini ... it doesn't come with any mouse at all.  :-)
> 
Have a couple in my house. :)

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#466873

FromRene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca>
Date2018-09-11 16:51 -0500
Message-ID<fvqrnjFttbqU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#466868
On 09/11/2018 4:42 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 9/11/18 1:41 PM, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2018-09-11 11:51:14 +0000, chrisv said:
>>> Your Name wrote:
>>>> some thing wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the puck mouse was absurd... it is not just about knowing 
>>>>> which
>>>>> way is "up", it is also about just grabbing it and it being natural.
>>>>> And having cables you can put in either way is a better approach.
>>>>
>>>> There are definitely much worse mice. Those mini-mice you used to get
>>>> to plug into laptops were smaller and far more hopeless to attempt to
>>>> use. Then there's the silly ones shaped like cars, etc.
>>>>
>>>> There are also far worse input devices, such as the silly
>>>> micro-joystick things laptops used to have in the middle of the
>>>> keyboard.
>>>>
>>>>> They have not made a decent mouse in a long, long time.
>>>>
>>>> The Mighty Mouse was fine, although people who don't wash their hands
>>>> had problems with the trackball getting gunked up.
>>>>
>>>> The Magic Mouse is okayish, apart form the silly touch gestures. It is
>>>> a bit too low profile and seems to have a tendency to pinch your
>>>> fingers underneath it.
>>>
>>> As long as it's something as easily replaceable as a mouse, I can
>>> forgive any sort of bold experiment.  Choice is good!
>>
>> Buy the Mac Mini ... it doesn't come with any mouse at all.  :-)
>>
> Have a couple in my house. :)
> 

A couple Mini's.
Or a couple mouses? :-)

Rene

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#466875

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-09-11 14:55 -0700
Message-ID<fvqrtqFtv3bU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#466873
On 9/11/18 2:51 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> On 09/11/2018 4:42 PM, Snit wrote:
>> On 9/11/18 1:41 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2018-09-11 11:51:14 +0000, chrisv said:
>>>> Your Name wrote:
>>>>> some thing wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the puck mouse was absurd... it is not just about knowing 
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> way is "up", it is also about just grabbing it and it being natural.
>>>>>> And having cables you can put in either way is a better approach.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are definitely much worse mice. Those mini-mice you used to get
>>>>> to plug into laptops were smaller and far more hopeless to attempt to
>>>>> use. Then there's the silly ones shaped like cars, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are also far worse input devices, such as the silly
>>>>> micro-joystick things laptops used to have in the middle of the
>>>>> keyboard.
>>>>>
>>>>>> They have not made a decent mouse in a long, long time.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Mighty Mouse was fine, although people who don't wash their hands
>>>>> had problems with the trackball getting gunked up.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Magic Mouse is okayish, apart form the silly touch gestures. It is
>>>>> a bit too low profile and seems to have a tendency to pinch your
>>>>> fingers underneath it.
>>>>
>>>> As long as it's something as easily replaceable as a mouse, I can
>>>> forgive any sort of bold experiment.  Choice is good!
>>>
>>> Buy the Mac Mini ... it doesn't come with any mouse at all.  :-)
>>>
>> Have a couple in my house. :)
>>
> 
> A couple Mini's.
> Or a couple mouses? :-)
> 
> Rene
> 

A couple Minis... one mini mouse. :)

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#466879

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-11 15:10 -0700
Message-ID<400daded-d85a-45a0-98b6-b45f2330a75c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#466875
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 2:55:09 PM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> On 9/11/18 2:51 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> > On 09/11/2018 4:42 PM, Snit wrote:
> >> On 9/11/18 1:41 PM, Your Name wrote:
> >>> On 2018-09-11 11:51:14 +0000, chrisv said:
> >>>> Your Name wrote:
> >>>>> some thing wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think the puck mouse was absurd... it is not just about knowing 
> >>>>>> which
> >>>>>> way is "up", it is also about just grabbing it and it being natural.
> >>>>>> And having cables you can put in either way is a better approach.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are definitely much worse mice. Those mini-mice you used to get
> >>>>> to plug into laptops were smaller and far more hopeless to attempt to
> >>>>> use. Then there's the silly ones shaped like cars, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are also far worse input devices, such as the silly
> >>>>> micro-joystick things laptops used to have in the middle of the
> >>>>> keyboard.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> They have not made a decent mouse in a long, long time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Mighty Mouse was fine, although people who don't wash their hands
> >>>>> had problems with the trackball getting gunked up.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Magic Mouse is okayish, apart form the silly touch gestures. It is
> >>>>> a bit too low profile and seems to have a tendency to pinch your
> >>>>> fingers underneath it.
> >>>>
> >>>> As long as it's something as easily replaceable as a mouse, I can
> >>>> forgive any sort of bold experiment.  Choice is good!
> >>>
> >>> Buy the Mac Mini ... it doesn't come with any mouse at all.  :-)
> >>>
> >> Have a couple in my house. :)
> >>
> > 
> > A couple Mini's.
> > Or a couple mouses? :-)
> > 
> > Rene
> > 
> 
> A couple Minis... one mini mouse. :)
> 
> -- 
> Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
> cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
> somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
> 
> They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
> 
> <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>



I am well aware the posts I link to from this group is merely tenderfoot level; that said, it works. He would have to be afflicted with intense madness to be unsure of if he "never had" developed a website. Sound like anyone in here? When Desk 'Super Troll' Rabbit can not be consistent with his story and makes use of make-believe, self-esteem protecting BS later, it's completely clear what his ploy is. Desk 'Super Troll' Rabbit is far too idiotic to write a good script. The only scripting he's capable of doing is simple stuff I did years ago. 

A shadow of false cognition, projected quickly, at the wrong time. Now Snit Glasser on the other end of the phone doesn't matter. All that matters is Desk 'Super Troll' Rabbit gets to deliver his flood. So how to win? Don't pay attention the post. Honest discussion isn't part of trick and never was planned to be. 

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#466885

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-11 15:26 -0700
Message-ID<351fc84a-6651-4cc7-8521-bdc4c597ae9a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#466875
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 2:55:09 PM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> On 9/11/18 2:51 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> > On 09/11/2018 4:42 PM, Snit wrote:
> >> On 9/11/18 1:41 PM, Your Name wrote:
> >>> On 2018-09-11 11:51:14 +0000, chrisv said:
> >>>> Your Name wrote:
> >>>>> some thing wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think the puck mouse was absurd... it is not just about knowing 
> >>>>>> which
> >>>>>> way is "up", it is also about just grabbing it and it being natural.
> >>>>>> And having cables you can put in either way is a better approach.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are definitely much worse mice. Those mini-mice you used to get
> >>>>> to plug into laptops were smaller and far more hopeless to attempt to
> >>>>> use. Then there's the silly ones shaped like cars, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are also far worse input devices, such as the silly
> >>>>> micro-joystick things laptops used to have in the middle of the
> >>>>> keyboard.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> They have not made a decent mouse in a long, long time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Mighty Mouse was fine, although people who don't wash their hands
> >>>>> had problems with the trackball getting gunked up.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Magic Mouse is okayish, apart form the silly touch gestures. It is
> >>>>> a bit too low profile and seems to have a tendency to pinch your
> >>>>> fingers underneath it.
> >>>>
> >>>> As long as it's something as easily replaceable as a mouse, I can
> >>>> forgive any sort of bold experiment.  Choice is good!
> >>>
> >>> Buy the Mac Mini ... it doesn't come with any mouse at all.  :-)
> >>>
> >> Have a couple in my house. :)
> >>
> > 
> > A couple Mini's.
> > Or a couple mouses? :-)
> > 
> > Rene
> > 
> 
> A couple Minis... one mini mouse. :)
> 
> -- 
> Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
> cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
> somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
> 
> They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
> 
> <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>



No no. Sockboy never agreed to stop accusing good people of being like him. He lied about his trolling just as you would expect. 

I think the point is more than to get innocent posters to listen to him. The point is likely to piss me off for spraying outside groups he knows I frequent. This is merely an amusement of mine. Sockboy claims to be the Linux professor. Let's see him put up a variant but lacking the sorting constructs.

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#466874

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-11 14:54 -0700
Message-ID<4aa0d05a-8d4a-4ed5-88ec-b2ef5e099a61@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#466868
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 2:42:39 PM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> On 9/11/18 1:41 PM, Your Name wrote:
> > On 2018-09-11 11:51:14 +0000, chrisv said:
> >> Your Name wrote:
> >>> some thing wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I think the puck mouse was absurd... it is not just about knowing which
> >>>> way is "up", it is also about just grabbing it and it being natural.
> >>>> And having cables you can put in either way is a better approach.
> >>>
> >>> There are definitely much worse mice. Those mini-mice you used to get
> >>> to plug into laptops were smaller and far more hopeless to attempt to
> >>> use. Then there's the silly ones shaped like cars, etc.
> >>>
> >>> There are also far worse input devices, such as the silly
> >>> micro-joystick things laptops used to have in the middle of the
> >>> keyboard.
> >>>
> >>>> They have not made a decent mouse in a long, long time.
> >>>
> >>> The Mighty Mouse was fine, although people who don't wash their hands
> >>> had problems with the trackball getting gunked up.
> >>>
> >>> The Magic Mouse is okayish, apart form the silly touch gestures. It is
> >>> a bit too low profile and seems to have a tendency to pinch your
> >>> fingers underneath it.
> >>
> >> As long as it's something as easily replaceable as a mouse, I can
> >> forgive any sort of bold experiment.  Choice is good!
> > 
> > Buy the Mac Mini ... it doesn't come with any mouse at all.  :-)
> > 
> Have a couple in my house. :)
> 
> -- 
> Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
> cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
> somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
> 
> They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
> 
> <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>



At one point, Snit 'The Shill' Glasser said a legitimate denizen was "obsessing" over him, which was shown to be merely responding to any name he uses. 

With all the bragging Snit 'The Shill' Glasser's done on this topic, the 'Growth Hacker' does not know how to do this. It seriously takes a couple seconds to click and drag across a paragraph and 'translate' it. 

HA! Over and over, the refrain is he wants to "talk tech", but Snit 'The Shill' Glasser spends most of his time whining about "obsession". You're like a shark in a goldfish bowl. We all see you there and thinking you are being clever. And you're so brain-dead you keep doing it. 

I reported him years ago. As expected, it did not a thing to thwart the bozo. 

Pay for a record check on Snit 'The Shill' Glasser and you will find that he was in a correctional facility for a long time. The probes don't go into that degree of specificity and court records need to be subpoenaed. 

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#466804

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-09-11 06:21 -0700
Message-ID<fvptrnFnrb9U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#466762
On 9/10/18 9:35 PM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-09-11 01:39:05 +0000, Snit said:
>> On 9/10/18 6:34 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2018-09-10 21:56:04 +0000, anon said:
>>>> anon formulated the question :
>>>>>
>>>>> I was considering switching to apple once.  I had to look something 
>>>>> up on the web on a customer's apple computer.  They had an apple 
>>>>> hockey puck mouse.  After seeing that absolute cheap piece of junk, 
>>>>> I never considered getting an apple again.  I still laugh every 
>>>>> time I think of it.  Reminded me of the 1950's toy cars from Japan 
>>>>> that were pressed out of Jap beer cans.
>>>>
>>>>   What has kept me away from apple was the obvious poor design and 
>>>> workmanship of that mouse.  Would Rolls Royce put a vinyl seat in 
>>>> one of their cars?  It indicated to me a shoddy product.  I couldn't 
>>>> imagine what the insides of the computer was made of.  Chinese 
>>>> soldering like Radio Shack products?
>>>>
>>>>   It was a sign from God!
>>>
>>> There was nothing inherently wrong with the "puck" mouse as such, 
>>> other than some people apparently being too stupid to know which way 
>>> was "up", despite a cable coming out of the top of it and a physical, 
>>> visible button ... probably the same people who complain about USB 
>>> socket and cables only going in one way because they're too damn lazy 
>>> to simply turn the plug over.  :-\
>>
>> I think the puck mouse was absurd... it is not just about knowing 
>> which way is "up", it is also about just grabbing it and it being 
>> natural. And having cables you can put in either way is a better 
>> approach.
> 
> There are definitely much worse mice. Those mini-mice you used to get to 
> plug into laptops were smaller and far more hopeless to attempt to use. 
> Then there's the silly ones shaped like cars, etc.
> 
> There are also far worse input devices, such as the silly micro-joystick 
> things laptops used to have in the middle of the keyboard.

The small ones were made to be more portable than fully functional... I 
can excuse that. But sure, there are worse mice. Apple makes horrid mice 
-- but not the worst in the world. :)

>>> There have certainly been worse mice from Apple and other makers. The 
>>> silly "squeeze me" button on the later Apple mouse was a much sillier 
>>> idea and a complete pain in the backside - I always switched that off 
>>> on every Mac I set-up for people. Apple's Magic Mouse can also be a 
>>> nuisance since you can't rest your fingers on it without it thinking 
>>> you are making touch gestures (another "feature" to always turn off).
>>
>> They have not made a decent mouse in a long, long time.
> 
> The Mighty Mouse was fine, although people who don't wash their hands 
> had problems with the trackball getting gunked up.
> 
> The Magic Mouse is okayish, apart form the silly touch gestures. It is a 
> bit too low profile and seems to have a tendency to pinch your fingers 
> underneath it.

To be fair, in part my distaste for it comes from my uncommon desires in 
a mouse. I use an eight button mouse so I have "back" and "forward" 
buttons, a "hide / show" button, a "hide app" button, etc.


-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#466862

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2018-09-12 08:46 +1200
Message-ID<pn99j9$1c2$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#466804
On 2018-09-11 13:21:59 +0000, Snit said:
> On 9/10/18 9:35 PM, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2018-09-11 01:39:05 +0000, Snit said:
>>> On 9/10/18 6:34 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>> On 2018-09-10 21:56:04 +0000, anon said:
>>>>> anon formulated the question :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I was considering switching to apple once.  I had to look something up 
>>>>>> on the web on a customer's apple computer.  They had an apple hockey 
>>>>>> puck mouse.  After seeing that absolute cheap piece of junk, I never 
>>>>>> considered getting an apple again.  I still laugh every time I think of 
>>>>>> it.  Reminded me of the 1950's toy cars from Japan that were pressed 
>>>>>> out of Jap beer cans.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   What has kept me away from apple was the obvious poor design and 
>>>>> workmanship of that mouse.  Would Rolls Royce put a vinyl seat in one 
>>>>> of their cars?  It indicated to me a shoddy product.  I couldn't 
>>>>> imagine what the insides of the computer was made of.  Chinese 
>>>>> soldering like Radio Shack products?
>>>>> 
>>>>>   It was a sign from God!
>>>> 
>>>> There was nothing inherently wrong with the "puck" mouse as such, other 
>>>> than some people apparently being too stupid to know which way was 
>>>> "up", despite a cable coming out of the top of it and a physical, 
>>>> visible button ... probably the same people who complain about USB 
>>>> socket and cables only going in one way because they're too damn lazy 
>>>> to simply turn the plug over.  :-\
>>> 
>>> I think the puck mouse was absurd... it is not just about knowing which 
>>> way is "up", it is also about just grabbing it and it being natural. 
>>> And having cables you can put in either way is a better approach.
>> 
>> There are definitely much worse mice. Those mini-mice you used to get 
>> to plug into laptops were smaller and far more hopeless to attempt to 
>> use. Then there's the silly ones shaped like cars, etc.
>> 
>> There are also far worse input devices, such as the silly 
>> micro-joystick things laptops used to have in the middle of the 
>> keyboard.
> 
> The small ones were made to be more portable than fully functional... I 
> can excuse that.

Portable, yes. Usable, not really ... unless you've got the hands of a 
four year old.



> But sure, there are worse mice. Apple makes horrid mice -- but not the 
> worst in the world. :)
> 
>>>> There have certainly been worse mice from Apple and other makers. The 
>>>> silly "squeeze me" button on the later Apple mouse was a much sillier 
>>>> idea and a complete pain in the backside - I always switched that off 
>>>> on every Mac I set-up for people. Apple's Magic Mouse can also be a 
>>>> nuisance since you can't rest your fingers on it without it thinking 
>>>> you are making touch gestures (another "feature" to always turn off).
>>> 
>>> They have not made a decent mouse in a long, long time.
>> 
>> The Mighty Mouse was fine, although people who don't wash their hands 
>> had problems with the trackball getting gunked up.
>> 
>> The Magic Mouse is okayish, apart form the silly touch gestures. It is 
>> a bit too low profile and seems to have a tendency to pinch your 
>> fingers underneath it.
> 
> To be fair, in part my distaste for it comes from my uncommon desires 
> in a mouse. I use an eight button mouse so I have "back" and "forward" 
> buttons, a "hide / show" button, a "hide app" button, etc.

Apple's Magic Mouse (and a couple of copy-cat mice) has sort-of 
infinite "buttons" thanks to it's silly touch sensitive top and gesture 
controls ... as long as you can remember what the 
ten-finger-tap-and-swipe actually does, don't accidentally do a 
nine-finger-tap-and-swipe, and can set it up in a way that ignores 
simply resting your fingers on it.

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#466870

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-09-11 14:47 -0700
Message-ID<fvqrfeFtsl8U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#466862
On 9/11/18 1:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
...
>>> There are also far worse input devices, such as the silly 
>>> micro-joystick things laptops used to have in the middle of the 
>>> keyboard.
>>
>> The small ones were made to be more portable than fully functional... 
>> I can excuse that.
> 
> Portable, yes. Usable, not really ... unless you've got the hands of a 
> four year old.

They are not as good as a full size one... but they fit easily into a 
bag. My wife uses one, sometimes, with her laptop.

>> But sure, there are worse mice. Apple makes horrid mice -- but not the 
>> worst in the world. :)
>>
>>>>> There have certainly been worse mice from Apple and other makers. 
>>>>> The silly "squeeze me" button on the later Apple mouse was a much 
>>>>> sillier idea and a complete pain in the backside - I always 
>>>>> switched that off on every Mac I set-up for people. Apple's Magic 
>>>>> Mouse can also be a nuisance since you can't rest your fingers on 
>>>>> it without it thinking you are making touch gestures (another 
>>>>> "feature" to always turn off).
>>>>
>>>> They have not made a decent mouse in a long, long time.
>>>
>>> The Mighty Mouse was fine, although people who don't wash their hands 
>>> had problems with the trackball getting gunked up.
>>>
>>> The Magic Mouse is okayish, apart form the silly touch gestures. It 
>>> is a bit too low profile and seems to have a tendency to pinch your 
>>> fingers underneath it.
>>
>> To be fair, in part my distaste for it comes from my uncommon desires 
>> in a mouse. I use an eight button mouse so I have "back" and "forward" 
>> buttons, a "hide / show" button, a "hide app" button, etc.
> 
> Apple's Magic Mouse (and a couple of copy-cat mice) has sort-of infinite 
> "buttons" thanks to it's silly touch sensitive top and gesture controls 
> ... as long as you can remember what the ten-finger-tap-and-swipe 
> actually does, don't accidentally do a nine-finger-tap-and-swipe, and 
> can set it up in a way that ignores simply resting your fingers on it.

You also cannot, at least with the Apple driver, set it up to work 
differently in different programs. I do that with the middle button, the 
"next" / "previous" buttons, and the "hide" button. Similar meaning but 
different key strokes.

     <https://youtu.be/V791-XhhOxY>




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#466901

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2018-09-12 13:47 +1200
Message-ID<pn9r85$q31$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#466870
On 2018-09-11 21:47:25 +0000, Snit said:
> On 9/11/18 1:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
> ...
>>>>>> There have certainly been worse mice from Apple and other makers. The 
>>>>>> silly "squeeze me" button on the later Apple mouse was a much sillier 
>>>>>> idea and a complete pain in the backside - I always switched that off 
>>>>>> on every Mac I set-up for people. Apple's Magic Mouse can also be a 
>>>>>> nuisance since you can't rest your fingers on it without it thinking 
>>>>>> you are making touch gestures (another "feature" to always turn off).
>>>>> 
>>>>> They have not made a decent mouse in a long, long time.
>>>> 
>>>> The Mighty Mouse was fine, although people who don't wash their hands 
>>>> had problems with the trackball getting gunked up.
>>>> 
>>>> The Magic Mouse is okayish, apart form the silly touch gestures. It is 
>>>> a bit too low profile and seems to have a tendency to pinch your 
>>>> fingers underneath it.
>>> 
>>> To be fair, in part my distaste for it comes from my uncommon desires 
>>> in a mouse. I use an eight button mouse so I have "back" and "forward" 
>>> buttons, a "hide / show" button, a "hide app" button, etc.
>> 
>> Apple's Magic Mouse (and a couple of copy-cat mice) has sort-of 
>> infinite "buttons" thanks to it's silly touch sensitive top and gesture 
>> controls ... as long as you can remember what the 
>> ten-finger-tap-and-swipe actually does, don't accidentally do a 
>> nine-finger-tap-and-swipe, and can set it up in a way that ignores 
>> simply resting your fingers on it.
> 
> You also cannot, at least with the Apple driver, set it up to work 
> differently in different programs. I do that with the middle button, 
> the "next" / "previous" buttons, and the "hide" button. Similar meaning 
> but different key strokes.
> 
>      <https://youtu.be/V791-XhhOxY>

I don't know if Better Touch Tool can do per-app settings.
<https://folivora.ai>

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#466957

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-09-12 06:51 -0700
Message-ID<fvsjulFa7mqU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#466901
On 9/11/18 6:47 PM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-09-11 21:47:25 +0000, Snit said:
>> On 9/11/18 1:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
>> ...
>>>>>>> There have certainly been worse mice from Apple and other makers. 
>>>>>>> The silly "squeeze me" button on the later Apple mouse was a much 
>>>>>>> sillier idea and a complete pain in the backside - I always 
>>>>>>> switched that off on every Mac I set-up for people. Apple's Magic 
>>>>>>> Mouse can also be a nuisance since you can't rest your fingers on 
>>>>>>> it without it thinking you are making touch gestures (another 
>>>>>>> "feature" to always turn off).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They have not made a decent mouse in a long, long time.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Mighty Mouse was fine, although people who don't wash their 
>>>>> hands had problems with the trackball getting gunked up.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Magic Mouse is okayish, apart form the silly touch gestures. It 
>>>>> is a bit too low profile and seems to have a tendency to pinch your 
>>>>> fingers underneath it.
>>>>
>>>> To be fair, in part my distaste for it comes from my uncommon 
>>>> desires in a mouse. I use an eight button mouse so I have "back" and 
>>>> "forward" buttons, a "hide / show" button, a "hide app" button, etc.
>>>
>>> Apple's Magic Mouse (and a couple of copy-cat mice) has sort-of 
>>> infinite "buttons" thanks to it's silly touch sensitive top and 
>>> gesture controls ... as long as you can remember what the 
>>> ten-finger-tap-and-swipe actually does, don't accidentally do a 
>>> nine-finger-tap-and-swipe, and can set it up in a way that ignores 
>>> simply resting your fingers on it.
>>
>> You also cannot, at least with the Apple driver, set it up to work 
>> differently in different programs. I do that with the middle button, 
>> the "next" / "previous" buttons, and the "hide" button. Similar 
>> meaning but different key strokes.
>>
>>      <https://youtu.be/V791-XhhOxY>
> 
> I don't know if Better Touch Tool can do per-app settings.
> <https://folivora.ai>
> 
> 
I did not know that... thanks. Might look into it.

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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

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#466749

Fromanon <noreply@mixnym.net>
Date2018-09-10 20:39 -0500
Message-ID<pn76ca$72d$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#466747
Your Name used his keyboard to write :
> On 2018-09-10 21:56:04 +0000, anon said:
>> anon formulated the question :
>>> 
>>> I was considering switching to apple once.  I had to look 
>>> something up on the web on a customer's apple computer.  They had 
>>> an apple hockey puck mouse.  After seeing that absolute cheap 
>>> piece of junk, I never considered getting an apple again.  I still 
>>> laugh every time I think of it.  Reminded me of the 1950's toy 
>>> cars from Japan that were pressed out of Jap beer cans.
>> 
>>   What has kept me away from apple was the obvious poor design and 
>> workmanship of that mouse.  Would Rolls Royce put a vinyl seat in 
>> one of their cars?  It indicated to me a shoddy product.  I 
>> couldn't imagine what the insides of the computer was made of.  
>> Chinese soldering like Radio Shack products?
>> 
>>   It was a sign from God!
>
> There was nothing inherently wrong with the "puck" mouse as such, 
> other than some people apparently being too stupid to know which way 
> was "up", despite a cable coming out of the top of it and a physical, 
> visible button ... probably the same people who complain about USB 
> socket and cables only going in one way because they're too damn lazy 
> to simply turn the plug over.  :-\
>
> There have certainly been worse mice from Apple and other makers. The 
> silly "squeeze me" button on the later Apple mouse was a much sillier 
> idea and a complete pain in the backside - I always switched that off 
> on every Mac I set-up for people. Apple's Magic Mouse can also be a 
> nuisance since you can't rest your fingers on it without it thinking 
> you are making touch gestures (another "feature" to always turn off).

  It was a plastic piece of junk!

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