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  More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 16:03 -0800
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 17:36 -0800
      Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 19:25 -0800
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-03 19:24 -0700
      Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 19:23 -0800
      Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-04 17:09 -0700
        Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-05 13:02 -0700
          Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-06 16:32 -0700
            Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-06 19:53 -0700
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 02:33 +0000
      Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 03:10 +0000
        Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-04 06:49 -0800
          These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 07:08 -0800
            Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 07:34 -0800
              I always knew that Steve Carroll was tard.  Thanks for proving it, once again. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 13:12 -0800
            Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-04 14:52 -0800
              Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 16:15 -0800
                Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 17:26 -0800
                  Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-05 09:32 -0500
            the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 02:21 -0800
              Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-05 11:39 +0100
                Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-05 07:18 -0800
                  Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 07:47 -0800
                    Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-05 17:49 +0100
                      Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 08:57 -0800
                      Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 22:23 +0000
                Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 22:16 +0000
                  Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-05 14:53 -0800
          Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 17:55 +0000
            Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 18:23 +0000
              Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 19:00 +0000
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 19:28 +0000
                  Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 20:19 +0000
                    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 20:34 +0000
                      Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 20:53 +0000
                        Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 22:08 +0000
                  Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 13:13 -0800
                    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-04 16:18 -0500
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 12:06 -0800
            Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-04 14:30 -0800
              Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 22:47 +0000
            Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-04 17:12 -0700
              Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-04 20:38 -0500
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-04 21:26 -0500
      Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 21:25 -0800
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-04 14:21 -0600

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#330944

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> owl wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>> > owl wrote:
>> >> > [...]
>> >> There are no "Native Americans."
>> > 
>> > The conventional definition is that the indigenous population
>> > when the Continent was discovered by the Europeans.
>> > 
>> > However, the more recent pushback against this is that these
>> > peoples themselves had migrated across the Bering Sea, so they 
>> > supposedly don't "count".  
>> 
>> Exactly.
>> 
>> > However, the flaw in this logic, stems from how all Europeans
>> > also were migrants from Africa, so extending this to its rational
>> > conclusion would mean that everyone in the world would have to
>> > back to the Rift Valley, leaving 98% of the world unpopulated
>> > by humans.
>> 
>> How is that a "flaw"?  Being an inconvenient fact does not
>> make it a flaw.
> 
> It is flawed because the underlying motivation behind the claimed
> logic is really to try to devise an excuse for why to deny a 
> land claim to the Native Americans, while ignoring how their own 
> land claim is weaker still.  
> 

Motivation has no bearing if the facts are sound.  And you haven't
proved the motivation, just assumed it.

>> > In any case, an alternate interpretation of 'native' and one
>> > which has greater validity is that whoever was already present
>> > during the US Revolutionary War are whose descendants today
>> > have the sole right to the land ... and the litmus test here
>> > is actually quite straightforward:  one requires [an ancestor]
>> > who has been confirmed as valid by the DAR (Daughters of the
>> > American Revolution).  
>> > 
>> > So unless you can prove your family has been in the USA for at
>> > least seven (7) generations ... stop being a hypocrite & leave. 
>> 
>> Any definition of "Native Americans" as a peoples would allow Neil
>> Armstrong's descendants to be considered "Lunar Natives" since he "got
>> there first."  
> 
> Only if Neil stayed on the Moon & raised a family there.
> 

Not necessary.  He planted a flag on or outpost. 

>> The only definition of "Native American" that makes any sense
>> is "born in America."  If you were born here, you are a native.
>> If you weren't, you're not.
> 
> Historically, the law has been that birth geographically in the 
> USA automatically grants citizenship rights.  Similarly, there's
> laws for how an immigrant can become a naturalized citizen, but
> these laws have a long history of being rife with racially and
> religiously based prejudices which make them in many instances 
> to have been extremely unjust.  
> 

Irrelevant to the question of "Native American."

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#330969

On 11/04/15 10:55, owl wrote:
> -hh<recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>  wrote:
>> owl wrote:
>>>> "owl"<owl@rooftop.invalid>  wrote:
>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>>   "John Gohde"<john.h.gohde@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about sending all of these people home and out of
>>>>>>> the United States for good?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds good. Let's start with the Europeans! Give the land
>>>>>> back to the natives and get rid of all the illegal aliens!
>>>>>
>>>>> What "natives"?
>>>
>>> There are no "Native Americans."
>>
>> The conventional definition is that the indigenous population
>> when the Continent was discovered by the Europeans.
>>
>> However, the more recent pushback against this is that these
>> peoples themselves had migrated across the Bering Sea, so they
>> supposedly don't "count".
>>
>
> Exactly.
>
>> However, the flaw in this logic, stems from how all Europeans
>> also were migrants from Africa, so extending this to its rational
>> conclusion would mean that everyone in the world would have to
>> back to the Rift Valley, leaving 98% of the world unpopulated
>> by humans.
>>
>
> How is that a "flaw"?  Being an inconvenient fact does not
> make it a flaw.
>
>> In any case, an alternate interpretation of 'native' and one
>> which has greater validity is that whoever was already present
>> during the US Revolutionary War are whose descendants today
>> have the sole right to the land ... and the litmus test here
>> is actually quite straightforward:  one requires a descendant
>> who has been confirmed as valid by the DAR (Daughters of the
>> American Revolution).
>>
>> So unless you can prove your family has been in the USA for at
>> least seven (7) generations ... stop being a hypocrite&  leave.
>>
>
> Any definition of "Native Americans" as a peoples would allow Neil
> Armstrong's descendants to be considered "Lunar Natives" since he "got
> there first."  The only definition of "Native American" that makes any
> sense is "born in America."  If you were born here, you are a native.
> If you weren't, you're not.
>

That's the way I also look at it.


-- 
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

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#330992

On Wed, 04 Nov 2015 18:30:49 -0700, Snit wrote:

> On 11/4/15, 5:12 PM, in article
> Euqdnb8UtbF9A6fLnZ2dnUU7-KGdnZ2d@bresnan.com, "GreyCloud" <cumulus@mist.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>>> In any case, an alternate interpretation of 'native' and one
>>>> which has greater validity is that whoever was already present
>>>> during the US Revolutionary War are whose descendants today
>>>> have the sole right to the land ... and the litmus test here
>>>> is actually quite straightforward:  one requires a descendant
>>>> who has been confirmed as valid by the DAR (Daughters of the
>>>> American Revolution).
>>>> 
>>>> So unless you can prove your family has been in the USA for at
>>>> least seven (7) generations ... stop being a hypocrite&  leave.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Any definition of "Native Americans" as a peoples would allow Neil
>>> Armstrong's descendants to be considered "Lunar Natives" since he "got
>>> there first."  The only definition of "Native American" that makes any
>>> sense is "born in America."  If you were born here, you are a native.
>>> If you weren't, you're not.
>>> 
>> 
>> That's the way I also look at it.
> 
> I live right next to a Native American Nation. 
Last week it was Muslims who were your best friends.
Now it's native Americans.
What next snit?
The blind?
Downtrodden?

You are such a lying fool and anyone who believes your convenient friends
who come and go as required are real is an idiot.

So where is Onion Knight these days snit?
Larry Washington?
Walmart Jeremy?

What an ass you are snit.

-- 
You Ain't The Biggest Fish In The Crotch.

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#331008

On 2015-11-04 8:38 PM, Big Fish in a Small Crotch wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Nov 2015 18:30:49 -0700, Snit wrote:
> 
>> On 11/4/15, 5:12 PM, in article
>> Euqdnb8UtbF9A6fLnZ2dnUU7-KGdnZ2d@bresnan.com, "GreyCloud" <cumulus@mist.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> In any case, an alternate interpretation of 'native' and one
>>>>> which has greater validity is that whoever was already present
>>>>> during the US Revolutionary War are whose descendants today
>>>>> have the sole right to the land ... and the litmus test here
>>>>> is actually quite straightforward:  one requires a descendant
>>>>> who has been confirmed as valid by the DAR (Daughters of the
>>>>> American Revolution).
>>>>>
>>>>> So unless you can prove your family has been in the USA for at
>>>>> least seven (7) generations ... stop being a hypocrite&  leave.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any definition of "Native Americans" as a peoples would allow Neil
>>>> Armstrong's descendants to be considered "Lunar Natives" since he "got
>>>> there first."  The only definition of "Native American" that makes any
>>>> sense is "born in America."  If you were born here, you are a native.
>>>> If you weren't, you're not.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's the way I also look at it.
>>
>> I live right next to a Native American Nation. 
> Last week it was Muslims who were your best friends.
> Now it's native Americans.
> What next snit?
> The blind?
> Downtrodden?

Lepers.

< snip >


-- 
Slimer

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#330802

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 11:33:53 AM UTC+9, owl wrote:
> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> > On 11/3/15, 5:03 PM, in article
> > 23f053c6-2a5e-489f-b358-b43731b67078@googlegroups.com, "John Gohde"
> > <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns
> >> English at home
> >> 
> >> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/3/more-350-languages-spoken-us/
> >> 
> >> "More than 350 languages are spoken at home in the U.S., the Census Bureau
> >> reported Tuesday, and residents in the country's biggest cities are drifting
> >> away from speaking English at home.
> >> 
> >> A staggering 54 percent of residents in the Los Angeles metropolitan region
> >> speak a language other than English at home, as does 38 percent of the New
> >> York City area, 37 percent of Houston, 51 percent of Miami, 40 percent of San
> >> Francisco, and 36 percent of Washington, D.C."
> >> ======
> >> 
> >> How about sending all of these people home and out of the United States for
> >> good?
> > 
> > Sounds good. Let's start with the Europeans! Give the land back to the
> > natives and get rid of all the illegal aliens!
> > 
> 
> What "natives"?

The Vikings of course.  They are the descendants of Neanderthals and came to America even before Columbus and took the best girls with them to breed their "superman" race.  That's why the most beautiful girls are still found in Northern Europe.  Sadly, they become ridden with diseases after shifting to modern city dwellers like this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Fredriksson#Cancer

Muzzies are good only as their Slaves:

Slaves had no legal rights except as property of the owner. They could be bought and sold and the slave-owner could treat them as he or she pleased. If a slave-owner killed one of his own slaves it was not regarded as murder. If a free-man killed a slave belonging to someone else he had to pay the price of a slave as a compensation. The price would be about the same as for a farm animal.

When a woman slave had a child it became the property of her owner. If she was sold while pregnant, the child would become the property of her new owner.

SOURCE: http://www.viking.no/e/life/ewomen.htm

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#330892

On 2015-11-04, John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> wrote:
> More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home

    The key phrase here is "at home".

    Why are you so keen to interfere with what people do in their own home?

[deletia]

    That kind of nonsense is unAmerican.

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