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| Started by | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-07-19 18:14 +0000 |
| Last post | 2018-07-20 13:14 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 370 — 13 participants |
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Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 18:14 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 11:30 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-19 14:38 -0500
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 13:37 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 23:55 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 17:14 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 18:17 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-19 17:18 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 17:45 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 21:42 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 20:23 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Storage Unit <storage.unit@mailinator.com> - 2018-07-21 07:40 -0500
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-21 16:30 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 17:21 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-21 18:27 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 12:24 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 19:45 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-21 20:01 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 20:44 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 14:14 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-22 03:03 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-21 12:42 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-21 12:43 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 13:27 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 17:20 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-21 12:42 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-21 12:53 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-20 07:04 -0500
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 05:29 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 14:53 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-20 10:07 -0500
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 15:19 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-20 10:30 -0500
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 15:36 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-20 10:47 -0500
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 16:08 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 20:50 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-21 15:58 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 09:16 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-21 12:44 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 16:06 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-07-22 13:17 -0400
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-23 07:38 -0500
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-23 05:54 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-23 16:46 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-23 12:08 -0500
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-23 22:26 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-23 16:29 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 11:12 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 11:37 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 11:49 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 12:29 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 12:48 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 12:58 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 13:06 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 13:13 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 13:40 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 13:49 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 15:38 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 15:52 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 15:59 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 16:06 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 16:49 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 16:57 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 17:03 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 17:06 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 17:12 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 17:30 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Kompyler <kompyler@toke.com> - 2018-07-25 21:02 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 15:17 -0600
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 14:19 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Kompyler <kompyler@toke.com> - 2018-07-25 22:34 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 17:08 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-25 18:34 -0400
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 16:05 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-25 17:43 -0400
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 19:30 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 01:45 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Kompyler <kompyler@toke.com> - 2018-07-25 21:03 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Kompyler <kompyler@toke.com> - 2018-07-25 21:01 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 15:03 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 15:06 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-24 14:44 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 16:32 -0600
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-25 05:25 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 05:41 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 06:58 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 10:36 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 11:49 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 13:00 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 13:05 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 15:07 -0600
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 14:16 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 15:19 -0600
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 14:55 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-25 14:50 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 15:02 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-25 18:15 -0400
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 22:58 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 16:40 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-25 19:48 -0400
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 16:57 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-25 20:18 -0400
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 17:39 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 21:18 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 22:55 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-26 06:37 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-26 14:37 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-26 09:35 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-26 12:06 -0500
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 20:07 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-26 13:26 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 13:45 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-27 06:50 -0500
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-27 13:07 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 06:26 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-27 06:37 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-27 13:43 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-27 07:09 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-27 16:12 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 09:19 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-27 11:09 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 11:23 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-27 18:34 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-27 13:08 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 14:52 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 16:51 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-27 19:08 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 19:11 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 19:26 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 20:44 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 22:33 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-28 08:33 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-28 09:03 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-28 09:36 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-28 10:13 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-28 12:47 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-28 09:52 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-28 10:25 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-28 13:01 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-28 13:34 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-28 17:15 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-28 16:02 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-28 16:27 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-28 17:29 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 09:58 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-29 12:21 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 09:55 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 11:44 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-29 12:19 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 12:57 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-29 16:15 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 16:57 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-29 18:28 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 18:42 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 18:45 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-29 19:37 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-29 16:17 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-29 20:43 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 13:53 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 14:52 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-29 16:58 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-30 13:29 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-30 08:32 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-30 09:02 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-29 16:55 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-29 17:13 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 18:27 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 19:01 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-29 19:06 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 19:25 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-29 20:09 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 20:34 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-30 05:01 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-30 05:25 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-30 08:57 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-30 09:42 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-30 12:52 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-30 08:57 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-30 09:09 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-30 09:30 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-30 09:45 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-30 10:06 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-07-30 18:56 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-30 12:48 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-30 13:02 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Kompyler <kompyler@toke.com> - 2018-07-30 20:40 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-30 16:40 -0400
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-30 12:58 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-30 13:13 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-30 13:43 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Kompyler <kompyler@toke.com> - 2018-07-30 20:49 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-30 16:49 -0400
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-30 13:53 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-30 14:07 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 09:08 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-31 09:28 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 09:45 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-31 10:34 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 10:54 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-31 13:28 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 13:52 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-31 18:32 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-07-31 20:49 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-31 17:44 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 18:09 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-31 18:38 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 18:56 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-31 19:06 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-08-01 02:47 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 19:58 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-31 20:35 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-31 20:19 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 18:02 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-31 18:35 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 18:55 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-31 19:06 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 19:59 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-31 20:36 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 08:50 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-01 10:55 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 11:28 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-01 11:31 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 11:36 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-01 11:43 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 11:57 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-01 12:05 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 12:15 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-01 12:31 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 12:36 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-01 12:40 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 12:49 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-01 12:54 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 13:18 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-01 13:25 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 13:35 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-01 15:34 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-02 08:29 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-02 09:46 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-31 21:17 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-30 10:22 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-29 18:54 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-28 12:50 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-28 08:58 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-28 08:49 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-28 08:55 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-28 09:05 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 11:39 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-27 12:15 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-27 12:00 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-27 11:42 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 07:13 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-27 12:06 -0500
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 10:11 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-27 12:13 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-27 11:23 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-27 11:06 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 19:16 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-27 12:18 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-27 14:35 -0500
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 19:39 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-27 14:50 -0500
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-07-26 15:04 -0400
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 12:27 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 16:23 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 16:45 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 16:54 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 17:01 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 17:15 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 17:18 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 17:32 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 21:15 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 10:41 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-25 20:19 -0400
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 17:41 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-25 20:57 -0400
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 21:19 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-26 10:16 -0400
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 21:18 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 21:49 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 22:54 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 23:24 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 10:47 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 17:23 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-26 14:24 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-26 09:30 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 09:48 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 11:24 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-26 20:39 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 14:00 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 15:27 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 15:51 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 15:55 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 16:21 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 16:26 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 16:39 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 16:48 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 16:59 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 17:02 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 17:17 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-25 20:22 -0400
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-25 20:21 -0400
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 17:22 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-25 20:27 -0400
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 17:20 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-23 18:17 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 00:57 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-23 23:00 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-23 16:54 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-23 18:19 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-23 20:32 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 19:26 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 12:42 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 12:46 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-24 20:09 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-07-24 09:36 -0400
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 07:13 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-24 15:01 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-24 14:56 -0500
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 13:00 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 13:09 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 15:25 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-20 10:31 -0500
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 15:39 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 09:07 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 16:06 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 20:53 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-20 11:10 -0500
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-20 11:12 -0500
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 16:42 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 12:15 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 11:12 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 20:56 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-21 16:00 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 17:22 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 16:42 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-07-22 13:17 -0400
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-22 10:51 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-23 00:42 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-22 18:24 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-07-20 07:46 -0400
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 13:11 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 15:06 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 15:35 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-20 20:42 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 21:18 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 13:10 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 06:15 -0700
chrisv is an Arse! Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 05:44 -0700
chrisv is a naive socialist SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 15:03 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 12:54 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 15:01 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 15:13 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 15:22 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 15:55 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-20 13:13 -0700
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-20 10:29 -0500
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 15:34 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-20 10:36 -0500
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 15:41 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-20 10:48 -0500
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 16:08 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 20:52 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 16:07 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 20:54 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 16:04 +0000
Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-20 13:09 -0700
Re: More than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-20 10:17 -0500
Re: More than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 15:49 +0000
Re: More than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-20 13:14 -0700
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-30 10:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <32221ace-b87c-490a-8223-946cff80c0ff@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #460354 |
On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 9:45:14 AM UTC-7, Snit wrote: > On 7/30/18 9:30 AM, -hh wrote: > > On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 11:57:54 AM UTC-4, Steve Carroll wrote: > >> On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 6:02:00 AM UTC-6, -hh wrote: > >>> On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 9:27:09 PM UTC-4, Steve Carroll wrote: > >>>> On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 6:13:20 PM UTC-6, -hh wrote: > >>>>> Steve Carroll wrote: > >>>>>> On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 5:02:38 PM UTC-6, -hh wrote: > >>>>>>> On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 1:25:36 PM UTC-4, Steve Carroll wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 10:52:13 AM UTC-6, -hh wrote: > >>>>>>>>> … > >>>>>>>> (snip rehash of 'wager' delusions and material hh couldn't comprehend) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Translation: dodge. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> As I never agreed to enter into a wager that only an idiot would take or suggest, > >>>>>> you're clearly lying... again. > >>>>> > >>>>> Too bad I’ve already moved on from that point > >>>> > >>>> Translation: You're the one dodging... dodging your lies. > >>> > >>> The wager offer revived: > >> > >> I made it clear *I'm* not buying the first time you lied > >> by saying *I* 'dodged'. > > > > Keep on dodging, for what you had snipped: > > > > "Sure as hell are, “Steve”, because unreported doesn’t matter > > unless you have hard data that objectively shows that the > > rate of unreported has materially and significantly changed. > > Because crime is still at decades-long lows." > > > > > >>>>>>> In applied Statistics, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ... even the dimmest are aware that 'you don't know what you don't know', > >>>>>> therefore, stats can't be used as evidence to make claims of how something > >>>>>> is, as opposed to how it appears to be. > >>>>> > >>>>> Flase. That’s what confidence intervals are addressing, > >>>> > >>>> LOL! The intervals are just *estimates* on the data, peabrain. > >>>> Hint: data, in this context is that which has been *observed*. > >>> > >>> By literal definition > >> > >> Very good, "Hugh"... but I'm also not buying your 'stats as reality' > >> argument. > > > > And just where was that claim ever made? Because by definition, > > the field of Statistics is not deterministic, but stochastic. > > Carroll makes things up and posts bizarre accusations to put you on the > defensive and work to keep the light off of his games. > > >> You keep spinning the same story but the facts of common sense > >> don't change. > > > > Common sense also says that if you flip a fair coin a dozen times, > > its not going to come up heads every time. This is an example of > > where stochastic process that's used by Statistics are actually > > reasonably understood...and accepted...by the common man. > > But there is a tiny chance it will land on heads each of those times.. > 1:2^12 times that will happen. Carroll holds on to the 1:4096 as an > excuse to reject evidence. > > > -- > Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They > cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel > somehow superior by attacking the messenger. > > They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. > > <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308> Translation of Larry Washington speak: Larry Washington's awesome "debugging abilities" diverted his attention from an add-on he wants that can be quickly Googled for this application. The only thing inoperative here is Larry Washington. When I got here, I wanted to be trusting and unaffected by herd views. I gave Larry Washington more than an intelligent person should. Only what Larry Washington wants matters to Larry Washington. There is nothing you or I can do to change that. It's a personality defect and it is what it is. I suspect Larry Washington does not even know what is wrong with Larry Washington. For others I'd merely think the comment is questionable. Given that it's Larry Washington I would drop that doubt and go straight to 'drug-induced delusion' because that's most of what Larry Washington does. IOW, there is no reason to respect presumption of innocence. At one point, he said an online denizen was "obsessing" over him, which was defined as replying to his posts. -- What Every Entrepreneur Must Know http://www.5z8.info/--INITIATE-CREDIT-CARD-XFER--_k7s1jt_inject_worm http://www.5z8.info/hackwebcam_e9z2tw_friendster-of-sex Jonas Eklundh Communication
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-29 18:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fs79ehFrmgrU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #460247 |
On 7/29/18 5:13 PM, -hh wrote: > > Steve Carroll wrote: >> On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 5:02:38 PM UTC-6, -hh wrote: >>> On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 1:25:36 PM UTC-4, Steve Carroll wrote: >>>> On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 10:52:13 AM UTC-6, -hh wrote: >>>>> … >>>> (snip rehash of 'wager' delusions and material hh couldn't comprehend) >>> >>> Translation: dodge. >> >> As I never agreed to enter into a wager that only an idiot would take or suggest, >> you're clearly lying... again. > > Too bad I’ve already moved on from that point, as illustrated by how it wasn’t > mentioned in what you deleted. As such, you’re just trying to dodge again. Carroll will dodge points, and change the topic --generally to some meta-debate about how you presented your view poorly based on how HE did not understand what was being said, or just as often DID understand but cannot refute. From then on he will declare victory on the topic and insist he proved you wrong and likely even dishonest. Later his "convenient friends" such as the current GasPipe and Kompyler will show up and pretend he is right and he will then say that since there is a consensus this proves him right again. All the while he has dodged the topic. >>> In applied Statistics, >> >> ... even the dimmest are aware that 'you don't know what you don't know', >> therefore, stats can't be used as evidence to make claims of how something >> is, as opposed to how it appears to be. > > Flase. That’s what confidence intervals are addressing, He is claiming your stats, the best evidence shown, should not count because he does not accept them. He NEVER will accept them... they go against his wishes. He pretends the goal is to get him to be honest about the evidence... and if you fail to get him to be honest that is YOUR failure. ... >>>> Even if they were all on line watch every single day they're still *way* >>>> understaffed and I suspect you're aware of that fact. >>> >>> Actually, since most illegal immigration is NOT coming across the southern >>> US border, they're adequate, but misallocated. > > Gosh, “Steve” dodged addressing this one. Of course he did. Surprising he did not snip it and hope you forgot the point he avoided. He will NEVER address it. It is interesting watching him do this with others. > FYI, here’s a cite thst shows that the cross-over was back in ~2007 and 60% by 2013. > Some reports put the “overstay” number today as high as 80%: > > <https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/06/us/politics/undocumented-illegal-immigrants.html> Thank you... I did not know that and was thinking it was only something like 40%. Wait! You just provided evidence for something that went against my views and, gasp, I of course *accepted* it like an adult. This is a great example of what Carroll refuses to do. >>>>> This makes the “record lows” reports even more reliable. >>>> >>>> So what? >>> >>> Because it means that your emotions-tugging hair on fire "CRISIS!!" is a lie. >> >> Despite your mislabeling of common sense, how do you propose to prove >> it makes them "reliable" enough to unequivocally state how a condition is, >> as opposed to the appearance indicted by the stats? > > Again, it’s the underlying math. Metrics like Confidence Interval provide the > weight to how strong & reliable a particular conclusion is...which is how > data uncertainties are addressed. Carroll has played these games with me with other polls and with scientific evidence. Heck, even with guilt of breaking a crime... he pretended for a LONG time that I since I noted the logical possibility of error in a claim I made, this somehow proved I was wrong even though he could not find that theoretical error. >>>> The idea that border crime stats are as reliable as non-border >>>> is silly. >>> >>> Your claim, never mine. >> >> Gee, another lie by "Hugh". Fact: Slimer made the claim, > > Still not my claim ... and you’re still trying to defend it. Carroll is splitting hairs: since he is merely defending the claim that someone else made he insists it is not "his" claim. But it is his claim in the since that he is defending it! It is like if I noted man-made global climate change is well supported... it is not as though I am the first to make this claim but it is still mine! >> you're the idiot who >> is pretending you can prove he's wrong by using stats... but you can't. > > Except for how it’s already been proven... To Carroll it is YOUR responsibility to get him to accept evidence. If you fail then it is not, in his mind, his own fault -- it is yours. He takes NO responsibility for his own comments or views. >>> I merely pointed out that immigration is a Federal >>> jurisdiction and not State, so context matters. >> >> You foolishly tried to used stats to prove Slimer was wrong... but the best you >> can do is say the stats don't back his position. Period... and yo know it. > > The stars don’t back his position by showing that he’s pissing into an ocean which > makes his (& your) so-called crisis functionally insignificant. Ah, and Carroll uses the "and you know it" nonsense. Yes, you MUST know that his unsupported crap is true because he says it. Yes, there is the logical possibility that the best evidence shown (your stats) are wrong... but that does not suggest they ARE wrong. >>>> The reality of the terrain alone blows that idea apart. >>> >>> Terrain is relevant primarily in that ocean borders aren't walked across, which >>> means that the land-based southern border crossings are constrained to the >>> US Southwest. Nevertheless, the vast majority of illegals do not walk across >>> the SW border, but arrive legally on Tourist Visas (and never leave). > > Again, more silence from “Steve”. It is surprising he did not snip it. >>>> What's at stake for the drug lords, gangs, etc., provides the means and opportunity >>>> for corruption to be *much* higher than 'normal' in an enforcement agency. >>> >>> Which is relevenat ... how? >> >> For undermining the 'reliability' of your stats being evidence to prove that >> Slimer is wrong, obviously. > > Interesting claim. Where’s any prooof? So Carroll's wild guesses "undermine" evidence. And if you do not accept that you MUST be wrong. Welcome to his world. >>>> You don't know what you don't know and stats don't help, certainly not >>>> enough to make a solid claim that border crime *is* lower than non-border >>>> crime. There's no way you could possibly know that and the things in play >>>> underscore how ludicrous it is to rely on stats for an accurate answer. >>> >>> Its damn trivial to prove. >>> >>> First, the average number of deportations of illegal immigrants per prior cite >>> was ~357K/yr. Since the US population is ~326M, that's a per capita rate of >>> 1.1 per 100,000... >> >> Great... but still irrelevant to not knowing what you don't know. > > The logic you’re trying to use is that of uncertainties, which here includes > numbers like the US population. The problem with your approach is that > the numbers don’t change fast enough to make a statistically significant > difference. For example, the US population isn’t going to become 3.3 Billion > within the next week...month...or even decade, in order to bring the numbers > closer to what you need them to be. The fact things are not known perfectly should not stop us from using the best data we have. But for Carroll it does... when it does not fit his biases, at least. >>> Next, note this: >>> >>> "The total median U.S. State crime rates in 2016 for violent crimes is 370.3 per >>> 100,000 inhabitants, and property crime rates are 2,582.1" >>> <https://muninetguide.com/u-s-state-crime-rates/> >> >> Same as above. > > Yup! Same games by Carroll. I will say, it is fun to see someone else debate him. >>> That means that violent crimes are more than 300x more common and >>> property crimes are more than 2000x more common than illegal immigrant >>> deportations. >> >> No it doesn't, egghead, it only means the *rate* iis. > > And the population that the rate is based on isn’t changing by enough to make a damn difference. Notice how Carroll uses name calling -- in this case "egghead"... trying to put you down for being KNOWLEDGEABLE. To Carroll, knowledge is a bad thing. >> Again, the simple concept of not knowing what you don't know eludes you... can't measure >> what you can't see. You've fallen into the 'rate is reality' fallacy of statistics. > > No, it just shows how ignorant you are of this analytical field: there is no ‘black swan’ of a > billion illegal immigrants hiding out in west Texas to alter the data. Carroll lives in a black and white world... either there is PERFECT knowledge or you know NOTHING. No gray are for him. >>>>>> This is how we can guarantee that all stats on border crime are a 100% accurate >>>>>> reflection of the conditions of the ground. >>>>> >>>>> Goal post move “Steve”, as 100% accuracy was never a claim nor a requirement. >>>>> >>>>> There’s no evidence that the statistical confidence has declined, and in some >>>>> areas, there’s reasons to logically expect that they’ve improved. But that doesn’t suit >>>>> your partisan, emotions-driven agenda of Fascism. >>>> >>>> Nah... it's called realism and emotions have nothing to do with it. >>> >>> Where "real" has no actual objective data as evidence to substantiate your claims. > > Bump. What is "real" to Carroll is NOT what the data and evidence show, but what fits his black and white and biased world view. >>>> Those with emotions-driven agendas are often found in the 'stats' crowd, >>>> who are certain there numbers tell the story so they defend them beyond >>>> all logical reasoning. Stats have their place, but that place can't tell how >>>> something *is* when it comes to things like crime, they only tell you how >>>> things *appear* to be. Only a fool would suggest otherwise. >>> >>> Even if you want to continue to claim without any substantiation >> >> Bzzzzzt! It;s up to you to prove your stats are telling the entire story. > > You’re trying to move the goalposts to this “entire story”, which is to change > the criteria so that it’s impossible to ever satisfy. The numbers, with cites, are > already adequately illustrated that the immigrantion is only 3% magnitude vs > violent crime, and less than 0.05% of property crimes. These numbers prove that > despite your agenda, it’s just not a huge “hair on fire” crisis. Correct. And Carroll will do ANYTHING to move goal posts away from that. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-28 12:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fs3votF520pU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #460017 |
On 7/28/18 9:52 AM, -hh wrote: > Steve Carroll wrote: >> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 8:08:43 PM UTC-6, -hh wrote: >>> Steve Carroll wrote: >>>> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 2:08:28 PM UTC-6, -hh wrote: >>>>> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 2:34:37 PM UTC-4, SilverSlimer wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 11:09:45 -0700, -hh wrote: >>>> >>>> (snip) >>>> >>>>>>> Well, would you be willing to make a welch-proof wager on next >>>>>>> quarter's GDP being greater than 4% again? Keeping it simple, >>>>>>> how just it being a simple honor bet with a $100 investment? >>>>>>> We'll just need an adequate third party to hold the money from both >>>>>>> both of us and be the arbiter to prevent welching...any volunteers >>>>>>> from the audience care to step up? >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not wagering anything. I watch the news, I don't participate in it. >>>>> >>>>> Well, the wager offer was merely to test if you really have an >>>>> opinion, or are just bullshitting...its clearly the latter. >>>> >>>> LOL! Let's not take into consideration that any number of things could >>>> happen in the world that have *nothing* to do with Trump and call this >>>> "wager", 'opinion resolve'. Yeah, this makes all the sense in the world ;) >>> >>> Oh, I’m more than willing to take your money too, “Steve”. >> >> ??? Have you been taking reading lessons from Snit? > > Deflection attempt. > >>>> (snip goofy argument based on reported crime that doesn't take into account >>>> *massive* amounts of unreported crime that every border crime agency will >>>> freely admit overwhelms them. IOW, the ol' PC statistics game at work again) >>> >>> Dodge. >> >> Yeah... *I'm* the one dodging reality here <eyeroll>. > > Sure as hell are, “Steve”, because unreported doesn’t matter unless you have > hard data that objectively shows that the rate of unreported has materially and > significantly changed. Because crime is still at decades-long lows. > >>>> Meanwhile... as tons of illegal immigrants swarm across the southern >>>> U.S. border and the drugs flow free, somewhere... >>> >>> More innuendo with no factual confirmation at any level. Simply a propaganda >>> play on emotions. >> >> Sure... and we all know there is a border agent every 500 feet along that >> 2000 mile stretch so there are no crimes that ever go unreported. > > Considering that there’s something like 2x to 3x more border agents today than > there were ~20 years ago, the rate of unreporteds should be expected to be lower > today than prior. This makes the “record lows” reports even more reliable. > >> This is how we can guarantee that all stats on border crime are a 100% accurate >> reflection of the conditions of the ground. > > Goal post move “Steve”, as 100% accuracy was never a claim nor a requirement. > > There’s no evidence that the statistical confidence has declined, and in some > areas, there’s reasons to logically expect that they’ve improved. But that doesn’t suit > your partisan, emotions-driven agenda of Fascism. > > > -hh > Carroll repeatedly just jumps to pushing ideas on others which are not their own... and pushing them to defend them. When they reject HIS straw men he moves to meta-debate nonsense about how it is the other person's fault HE acted so poorly. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-28 08:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fs3i63F23c2U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #459928 |
On 7/27/18 7:08 PM, -hh wrote: > Steve Carroll wrote: >> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 2:08:28 PM UTC-6, -hh wrote: >>> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 2:34:37 PM UTC-4, SilverSlimer wrote: >>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 11:09:45 -0700, -hh wrote: >> >> (snip) >> >>>>> Well, would you be willing to make a welch-proof wager on next >>>>> quarter's GDP being greater than 4% again? Keeping it simple, >>>>> how just it being a simple honor bet with a $100 investment? >>>>> We'll just need an adequate third party to hold the money from both >>>>> both of us and be the arbiter to prevent welching...any volunteers >>>>> from the audience care to step up? >>>> >>>> I'm not wagering anything. I watch the news, I don't participate in it. >>> >>> Well, the wager offer was merely to test if you really have an >>> opinion, or are just bullshitting...its clearly the latter. >> >> LOL! Let's not take into consideration that any number of things could >> happen in the world that have *nothing* to do with Trump and call this >> "wager", 'opinion resolve'. Yeah, this makes all the sense in the world ;) > > Oh, I’m more than willing to take your money too, “Steve”. > >> (snip goofy argument based on reported crime that doesn't take into account >> *massive* amounts of unreported crime that every border crime agency will >> freely admit overwhelms them. IOW, the ol' PC statistics game at work again) > > Dodge. > >> Meanwhile... as tons of illegal immigrants swarm across the southern >> U.S. border and the drugs flow free, somewhere... > > More innuendo with no factual confirmation at any level. Simply a propaganda play on emotions. > >> ... until we get some relief from the chaotic immigration mess we find ourselves mired in. > > The only chaos is from more racially motivated bigotry, because some of the modern immigrants > aren’t white. It’s xenophobia trying to invoke the Chinese Exclusion Act all over again. > > -hh > You are doing a good job of pointing out Carroll's games. He works to twist your views, avoids arguments which he cannot refute, does not speak in detail of his own views, etc. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-28 08:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fs3hktF1vp4U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #459908 |
On 7/27/18 2:52 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: > On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 2:08:28 PM UTC-6, -hh wrote: >> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 2:34:37 PM UTC-4, SilverSlimer wrote: >>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 11:09:45 -0700, -hh wrote: > > (snip) > >>>> Well, would you be willing to make a welch-proof wager on next >>>> quarter's GDP being greater than 4% again? Keeping it simple, >>>> how just it being a simple honor bet with a $100 investment? >>>> We'll just need an adequate third party to hold the money from both >>>> both of us and be the arbiter to prevent welching...any volunteers >>>> from the audience care to step up? >>> >>> I'm not wagering anything. I watch the news, I don't participate in it. >> >> Well, the wager offer was merely to test if you really have an >> opinion, or are just bullshitting...its clearly the latter. > > LOL! Let's not take into consideration that any number of things could > happen in the world that have *nothing* to do with Trump and call this > "wager", 'opinion resolve'. Yeah, this makes all the sense in the world ;) You repeatedly dance around stating your views in any detail, and then when there is a misunderstanding you insist on not focusing on the corrections and moving on, but on finding "blame"... which to you is ALWAYS the other person. This, of course, kills the conversation and pulls more attention away from your actual opinions. Some recent examples: * you have accused Politifact as to having a liberal bias. When asked about what fact checkers you think do not have a liberal bias... you have nothing. Not ONE source. * When it is noted that the likely outcome of Trump's policies will be bad, including growing income inequality, increased shootings and other violent crime, increases in general civil unrest, increased pollution, reduction of equal rights, etc... you have little or nothing to say on those topics. * When you spoke of people not wanting to have or not wanting to enforce border laws, you were asked whom has said such a thing. You could not name a single person. * When you are corrected on your incorrect (and frankly bizarre) claims about my beliefs you cannot move forward, you just insist on playing the blame game. * When it is noted how your comment "I *do* like the ideas of trying to get along with enemies" is clearly contradictory to your own actions, you do not do as your comment suggested and try to get along, you go into attack mode again. > (snip goofy argument And this. You focus on the meta-debates and the arguments and then snip the actual discussion of the topic. You have no real opinions you can share... no real knowledge. You just like to tear others down, often pushing false claims onto them as a part of your attack. > based on reported crime that doesn't take into account > *massive* amounts of unreported crime that every border crime agency will > freely admit overwhelms them. IOW, the ol' PC statistics game at work again) > > Meanwhile... as tons of illegal immigrants swarm across the southern > U.S. border Tons? The numbers have been mostly going down for many years: <https://www.factcheck.org/2018/04/the-stats-on-border-apprehensions/> ----- We can look at the yearly totals — by fiscal year — going all the way back to 1960. Those figures show a peak of 1,643,679 apprehensions in fiscal 2000, with a similar high in 1986. Again, there has been fluctuation since 2000, but a general downward trend since the mid-2000s. In fiscal 2016, President Barack Obama’s last full fiscal year in office, total apprehensions on the Southwest border were 408,870. That number went down to 303,916 for fiscal 2017. Compared with the peak of 1.6 million in 2000, that’s an 82 percent drop. ----- Now that is looking at apprehensions... a proxy for crossings (because we do not have actual stats on that), but that is not the only way to look at the data. We can also look at the number of illegal immigrants living in the US (after all, does it matter if the cross the border illegally or do so legally and then illegally stay here?) <http://www.pewresearch.org/?p=290401> ----- Earlier Center research found that a rising share of unauthorized immigrants have lived in the U.S. for a decade or more, as new illegal immigration has slowed. In 2014, 66% of unauthorized immigrants had lived in the U.S. for at least 10 years, compared with 41% in 2005. Only 14% in 2014 had lived in the U.S. for less than five years, compared with 31% in 2005. ----- Under Obama we had a lower number than any time since 2005. The numbers were already going down! Remember, Trump lies about this, as he does about pretty much everything: <https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/aug/03/donald-trump/false-trumps-claim-about-illegal-immigration-under> OR <https://goo.gl/WBwfC5> ----- Referring to border apprehensions, Trump said, "The border is down 78 percent. Under past administrations, the border didn’t go down, it went up." Calculations of the latest figures available from U.S. Customs and Border Protection do not show a 78 percent decline in apprehensions. The closest number to that would be based on cherry-picked numbers of the highest number of apprehensions in November to the lowest number, in April. Though there have been fluctuations over the years in the number of apprehensions, they certainly have gone down under past administrations. We rate Trump’s claim False. ----- > and the drugs flow free, somewhere... many places, actually > are statistics in waiting. There they will sit until we get some relief from > the chaotic immigration mess we find ourselves mired in. The 'stats' > morons just don't get that there are only so many dollars and personnel > to go around... they have a vested interest in *not* getting... to be "right". No idea what you mean but that last part. What the right wing has done is get people to focus on those who are not in the US legally, many who came here legally and have been here for a decade or more. Yes, this is a problem -- but a very small one compared to the massive income redistribution to the wealthy and our ignoring of man-made global climate change and so many other things. And the idea that we should round up and deport all of these people who have been here, in the US, as contributing members of our society is just madness... and WOULD not happen if their skin color was lighter and they spoke English with a European or American accent. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-28 08:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d2982e9e-154d-47f9-95b4-6f345dee7874@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #459987 |
On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 9:49:53 AM UTC-6, Snit wrote: > On 7/27/18 2:52 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: > > On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 2:08:28 PM UTC-6, -hh wrote: > >> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 2:34:37 PM UTC-4, SilverSlimer wrote: > >>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 11:09:45 -0700, -hh wrote: > > > > (snip) > > > >>>> Well, would you be willing to make a welch-proof wager on next > >>>> quarter's GDP being greater than 4% again? Keeping it simple, > >>>> how just it being a simple honor bet with a $100 investment? > >>>> We'll just need an adequate third party to hold the money from both > >>>> both of us and be the arbiter to prevent welching...any volunteers > >>>> from the audience care to step up? > >>> > >>> I'm not wagering anything. I watch the news, I don't participate in it. > >> > >> Well, the wager offer was merely to test if you really have an > >> opinion, or are just bullshitting...its clearly the latter. > > > > LOL! Let's not take into consideration that any number of things could > > happen in the world that have *nothing* to do with Trump and call this > > "wager", 'opinion resolve'. Yeah, this makes all the sense in the world ;) > > You repeatedly dance around stating your views in any detail Bull. But that delusion aside, you need detail to realize this wager is as absurd as most of what you write?!
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-28 09:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fs3ii6F23c2U9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #459991 |
On 7/27/18 2:52 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: > On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 2:08:28 PM UTC-6, -hh wrote: >> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 2:34:37 PM UTC-4, SilverSlimer wrote: >>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 11:09:45 -0700, -hh wrote: > > (snip) > >>>> Well, would you be willing to make a welch-proof wager on next >>>> quarter's GDP being greater than 4% again? Keeping it simple, >>>> how just it being a simple honor bet with a $100 investment? >>>> We'll just need an adequate third party to hold the money from both >>>> both of us and be the arbiter to prevent welching...any volunteers >>>> from the audience care to step up? >>> >>> I'm not wagering anything. I watch the news, I don't participate in it. >> >> Well, the wager offer was merely to test if you really have an >> opinion, or are just bullshitting...its clearly the latter. > > LOL! Let's not take into consideration that any number of things could > happen in the world that have *nothing* to do with Trump and call this > "wager", 'opinion resolve'. Yeah, this makes all the sense in the world ;) You repeatedly dance around stating your views in any detail, and then when there is a misunderstanding you insist on not focusing on the corrections and moving on, but on finding "blame"... which to you is ALWAYS the other person. This, of course, kills the conversation and pulls more attention away from your actual opinions. Some recent examples: * you have accused Politifact as to having a liberal bias. When asked about what fact checkers you think do not have a liberal bias... you have nothing. Not ONE source. * When it is noted that the likely outcome of Trump's policies will be bad, including growing income inequality, increased shootings and other violent crime, increases in general civil unrest, increased pollution, reduction of equal rights, etc... you have little or nothing to say on those topics. * When you spoke of people not wanting to have or not wanting to enforce border laws, you were asked whom has said such a thing. You could not name a single person. * When you are corrected on your incorrect (and frankly bizarre) claims about my beliefs you cannot move forward, you just insist on playing the blame game. * When it is noted how your comment "I *do* like the ideas of trying to get along with enemies" is clearly contradictory to your own actions, you do not do as your comment suggested and try to get along, you go into attack mode again. > (snip goofy argument And this. You focus on the meta-debates and the arguments and then snip the actual discussion of the topic. You have no real opinions you can share... no real knowledge. You just like to tear others down, often pushing false claims onto them as a part of your attack. > based on reported crime that doesn't take into account > *massive* amounts of unreported crime that every border crime agency will > freely admit overwhelms them. IOW, the ol' PC statistics game at work again) > > Meanwhile... as tons of illegal immigrants swarm across the southern > U.S. border Tons? The numbers have been mostly going down for many years: <https://www.factcheck.org/2018/04/the-stats-on-border-apprehensions/> ----- We can look at the yearly totals — by fiscal year — going all the way back to 1960. Those figures show a peak of 1,643,679 apprehensions in fiscal 2000, with a similar high in 1986. Again, there has been fluctuation since 2000, but a general downward trend since the mid-2000s. In fiscal 2016, President Barack Obama’s last full fiscal year in office, total apprehensions on the Southwest border were 408,870. That number went down to 303,916 for fiscal 2017. Compared with the peak of 1.6 million in 2000, that’s an 82 percent drop. ----- Now that is looking at apprehensions... a proxy for crossings (because we do not have actual stats on that), but that is not the only way to look at the data. We can also look at the number of illegal immigrants living in the US (after all, does it matter if the cross the border illegally or do so legally and then illegally stay here?) <http://www.pewresearch.org/?p=290401> ----- Earlier Center research found that a rising share of unauthorized immigrants have lived in the U.S. for a decade or more, as new illegal immigration has slowed. In 2014, 66% of unauthorized immigrants had lived in the U.S. for at least 10 years, compared with 41% in 2005. Only 14% in 2014 had lived in the U.S. for less than five years, compared with 31% in 2005. ----- Under Obama we had a lower number than any time since 2005. The numbers were already going down! Remember, Trump lies about this, as he does about pretty much everything: <https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/aug/03/donald-trump/false-trumps-claim-about-illegal-immigration-under> OR <https://goo.gl/WBwfC5> ----- Referring to border apprehensions, Trump said, "The border is down 78 percent. Under past administrations, the border didn’t go down, it went up." Calculations of the latest figures available from U.S. Customs and Border Protection do not show a 78 percent decline in apprehensions. The closest number to that would be based on cherry-picked numbers of the highest number of apprehensions in November to the lowest number, in April. Though there have been fluctuations over the years in the number of apprehensions, they certainly have gone down under past administrations. We rate Trump’s claim False. ----- > and the drugs flow free, somewhere... many places, actually > are statistics in waiting. There they will sit until we get some relief from > the chaotic immigration mess we find ourselves mired in. The 'stats' > morons just don't get that there are only so many dollars and personnel > to go around... they have a vested interest in *not* getting... to be "right". No idea what you mean but that last part. What the right wing has done is get people to focus on those who are not in the US legally, many who came here legally and have been here for a decade or more. Yes, this is a problem -- but a very small one compared to the massive income redistribution to the wealthy and our ignoring of man-made global climate change and so many other things. And the idea that we should round up and deport all of these people who have been here, in the US, as contributing members of our society is just madness... and WOULD not happen if their skin color was lighter and they spoke English with a European or American accent. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-27 11:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d448a0f2-38f2-4094-90b3-072d96448123@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #459828 |
On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 11:09:48 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote: > On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 12:12:55 PM UTC-4, SilverSlimer wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 07:09:16 -0700, -hh wrote: > > > > snip > > > > > >> >> So far, his decisions on trade have been excellent ... > > >> > > > >> > Disagree, because tariffs have never proven to be of a net benefit > > >> > from a national macroeconomic perspective - - and the reason for > > >> > these qualifiers is because in the short term, the government picking > > >> > the winners & losers can be good for an individual company or segment > > >> > for some limited period of time. > > >> > > >> 4.1% GDP speaks for itself as does the "impossible" deletion of tariff > > >> deal with the European Union. > > > > > > That GDP does speak ... but the analysis of it has noted that this > > > quarter is being distorted because of the tariff threats: > > > > > > "The trend is particularly clear in exports of soybeans, which were up > > > more than 50 percent in May from a year earlier. Those buyers presumably > > > didn’t want more soybeans than usual — they just wanted them sooner. > > > Exports will almost certainly slump in the third and fourth quarters, > > > and will turn into a drag on overall G.D.P. growth." > > > > > > <https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/27/business/economy/economy-gdp.html> > > > > > > As such, this quarter's 4% is a not-sustainable anomaly. > > > > Wow, New York Times found a way to put a negative spin on something Trump > > did? Say it ain't so! > > Well, would you be willing to make a welch-proof wager on next > quarter's GDP being greater than 4% again? Keeping it simple, > how just it being a simple honor bet with a $100 investment? > We'll just need an adequate third party to hold the money from > both of us and be the arbiter to prevent welching...any volunteers > from the audience care to step up? > > > > These are the guys who have been downplaying every one of his moves > > since he was sworn in and been wrong about every one of them. I should > > definitely believe them _this_ time. > > Fallacy alert: an Ad Hominem. > > > > >> >> and I agree with him that immigration needs to be limited to the > > >> >> legal process and that illegals should never be let in. > > >> > > > >> > It already is that way. > > >> > > >> Say that to the Americans on the Southern border who have to live with > > >> higher crime rates ... > > > > > > Ironic how it wasn't so long ago that all things on crime pointed to > > > that southern border city known as "Chicago" & its gun control laws. /S > > > > Are California and Florida in the South of the United States? You're > > moving goal posts. > > So? You still haven't provided any data to substantiate your claim. > > > > > How about you provide (cite) some actual research statistics that > > > materially support your claim that the Southwest has chronically higher > > > crime rates *AND* that its being conducted by illegals. > > > > I never said that "the Southwest has chronically higher crime rates > > conducted by illegals." That's your spin on "Say that to the Americans on > > the Southern border who have to live with higher crime rates." In other > > words, you're lying about what I said, Snit Huntzinger. > > While you're trying to run away from your claim, you should realize > that the USA's southern border only has a land bridge to another > country to facilitate easy crossings in the Southwest (California, > Arizona, NM, Texas): Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi and Florida > only have WATER. > > > > Not bothering with the rest. > > Because you can't dispute that Constitutionally, rights are rights, > so your claim about the quantity doesn't matter. > > Because you can't dispute that your "by millions per year" claim > is a gross exaggeration. > > Because you can't dispute that US Foreign Policy has fucked up > many of the countries that these refugees are trying to escape from. > > Because you can't dispute that it *still* wasn't the EPA who created > the pollution in the first place. > > Pathetic & lying loser you are, "Slimer". > > -hh For all the gloating Desk Rabbit's done on this topic, the 'SEO Consultant' doesn't understand how to do this. It really takes a couple seconds to highlight a selection and 'print' it. Desk Rabbit's reverse compiled Ubuntu with (it appears) a Markv model to automate texts which are made to sound like a response from Klaus Schadenfreude's. You've proven that it is Desk Rabbit. -- Do not click this link!!! https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/RSikBcWxBLo Jonas Eklundh
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-27 12:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fs19bdFfvbnU12@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #459828 |
On 7/27/18 11:09 AM, -hh wrote: > On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 12:12:55 PM UTC-4, SilverSlimer wrote: >> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 07:09:16 -0700, -hh wrote: >> >> snip > >> >>>>>> So far, his decisions on trade have been excellent ... >>>>> >>>>> Disagree, because tariffs have never proven to be of a net benefit >>>>> from a national macroeconomic perspective - - and the reason for >>>>> these qualifiers is because in the short term, the government picking >>>>> the winners & losers can be good for an individual company or segment >>>>> for some limited period of time. >>>> >>>> 4.1% GDP speaks for itself as does the "impossible" deletion of tariff >>>> deal with the European Union. >>> >>> That GDP does speak ... but the analysis of it has noted that this >>> quarter is being distorted because of the tariff threats: >>> >>> "The trend is particularly clear in exports of soybeans, which were up >>> more than 50 percent in May from a year earlier. Those buyers presumably >>> didn’t want more soybeans than usual — they just wanted them sooner. >>> Exports will almost certainly slump in the third and fourth quarters, >>> and will turn into a drag on overall G.D.P. growth." >>> >>> <https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/27/business/economy/economy-gdp.html> >>> >>> As such, this quarter's 4% is a not-sustainable anomaly. >> >> Wow, New York Times found a way to put a negative spin on something Trump >> did? Say it ain't so! > > Well, would you be willing to make a welch-proof wager on next > quarter's GDP being greater than 4% again? Keeping it simple, > how just it being a simple honor bet with a $100 investment? > We'll just need an adequate third party to hold the money from > both of us and be the arbiter to prevent welching...any volunteers > from the audience care to step up? > > >> These are the guys who have been downplaying every one of his moves >> since he was sworn in and been wrong about every one of them. I should >> definitely believe them _this_ time. > > Fallacy alert: an Ad Hominem. > > >>>>>> and I agree with him that immigration needs to be limited to the >>>>>> legal process and that illegals should never be let in. >>>>> >>>>> It already is that way. >>>> >>>> Say that to the Americans on the Southern border who have to live with >>>> higher crime rates ... >>> >>> Ironic how it wasn't so long ago that all things on crime pointed to >>> that southern border city known as "Chicago" & its gun control laws. /S >> >> Are California and Florida in the South of the United States? You're >> moving goal posts. > > So? You still haven't provided any data to substantiate your claim. > > >>> How about you provide (cite) some actual research statistics that >>> materially support your claim that the Southwest has chronically higher >>> crime rates *AND* that its being conducted by illegals. >> >> I never said that "the Southwest has chronically higher crime rates >> conducted by illegals." That's your spin on "Say that to the Americans on >> the Southern border who have to live with higher crime rates." In other >> words, you're lying about what I said, Snit Huntzinger. > > While you're trying to run away from your claim, you should realize > that the USA's southern border only has a land bridge to another > country to facilitate easy crossings in the Southwest (California, > Arizona, NM, Texas): Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi and Florida > only have WATER. > > >> Not bothering with the rest. > > Because you can't dispute that Constitutionally, rights are rights, > so your claim about the quantity doesn't matter. > > Because you can't dispute that your "by millions per year" claim > is a gross exaggeration. > > Because you can't dispute that US Foreign Policy has fucked up > many of the countries that these refugees are trying to escape from. > > Because you can't dispute that it *still* wasn't the EPA who created > the pollution in the first place. > > Pathetic & lying loser you are, "Slimer". > > -hh > Well stated! -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-27 12:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fs18fbFfvc7U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #459805 |
On 7/27/18 9:12 AM, SilverSlimer wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 07:09:16 -0700, -hh wrote: > > snip > > >>>>> So far, his decisions on trade have been excellent ... >>>> >>>> Disagree, because tariffs have never proven to be of a net benefit >>>> from a national macroeconomic perspective - - and the reason for >>>> these qualifiers is because in the short term, the government picking >>>> the winners & losers can be good for an individual company or segment >>>> for some limited period of time. >>> >>> 4.1% GDP speaks for itself as does the "impossible" deletion of tariff >>> deal with the European Union. >> >> That GDP does speak ... but the analysis of it has noted that this >> quarter is being distorted because of the tariff threats: >> >> "The trend is particularly clear in exports of soybeans, which were up >> more than 50 percent in May from a year earlier. Those buyers presumably >> didn’t want more soybeans than usual — they just wanted them sooner. >> Exports will almost certainly slump in the third and fourth quarters, >> and will turn into a drag on overall G.D.P. growth." >> >> <https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/27/business/economy/economy-gdp.html> >> >> As such, this quarter's 4% is a not-sustainable anomaly. > > Wow, New York Times found a way to put a negative spin on something Trump > did? Say it ain't so! > > These are the guys who have been downplaying every one of his moves since > he was sworn in and been wrong about every one of them. I should > definitely believe them _this_ time. > >>>>> and I agree with him that immigration needs to be limited to the >>>>> legal process and that illegals should never be let in. >>>> >>>> It already is that way. >>> >>> Say that to the Americans on the Southern border who have to live with >>> higher crime rates ... >> >> Ironic how it wasn't so long ago that all things on crime pointed to >> that southern border city known as "Chicago" & its gun control laws. /S > > Are California and Florida in the South of the United States? You're > moving goal posts. > >> How about you provide (cite) some actual research statistics that >> materially support your claim that the Southwest has chronically higher >> crime rates *AND* that its being conducted by illegals. > > I never said that "the Southwest has chronically higher crime rates > conducted by illegals." That's your spin on "Say that to the Americans on > the Southern border who have to live with higher crime rates." In other > words, you're lying about what I said, Snit Huntzinger. > > Not bothering with the rest. > So you did not mean to suggest they have higher crime rates tied to the illegal aliens being discussed? LOL! -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-27 11:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fs17dhFfvbnU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #459786 |
On 7/27/18 6:43 AM, SilverSlimer wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 06:37:30 -0700, -hh wrote: > >> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 9:07:15 AM UTC-4, SilverSlimer wrote: >>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 06:50:13 -0500, chrisv wrote: >>> >>>> RonB wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Frankly I have been shocked at how much power he has wielded. I >>>>>> didn't know that all of these things were his decision to make. >>>>> >>>>> Examples? >>>> >>>> Trade. Immigration. Environment. >>> >>> I want to live in a society where the elected leader of a country has a >>> final say over all three domains. >> >> YMMV; I'd much prefer a more deliberative process where decisions are >> primarily made by group consensus and include checks-&-balances to >> minimize the risks of bad (& corrupt) individuals. > > Notice my deliberate use of the adjective _final_. Not sure how you think that changes things. The authoritarian controller you picture has to pick from approved choices or something? >>> So far, his decisions on trade have been excellent ... >> >> Disagree, because tariffs have never proven to be of a net benefit from >> a national macroeconomic perspective - - and the reason for these >> qualifiers is because in the short term, the government picking the >> winners & losers can be good for an individual company or segment for >> some limited period of time. > > 4.1% GDP speaks for itself as does the "impossible" deletion of tariff > deal with the European Union. No, the GDP is not the whole story. Look at income inequality and redistribution of money to the very rich. To be fair this has been getting worse under BOTH parties since the '80s. >>> and I agree with him that immigration needs to be limited to the legal >>> process and that illegals should never be let in. >> >> It already is that way. > > Say that to the Americans on the Southern border who have to live with > higher crime rates and compete with illegals for jobs. Who are you finding who is disagreeing that we need a legal process? Anyone other than your own straw man? >>> People tend to forget that deportations cost the taxpayer quite a bit >>> so these people should be prevented from even entering the nation. >> >> People also tend to forget that Constitutionally, even non-citizens have >> rights, including to request asylum. Similarly, they also like to try >> to forget that the USA's immigration policies have often been very >> deeply rooted in racism ... which Constitutionally is supposed to be >> illegal. > > I doubt that the people responsible for giving non-citizens rights knew > that it would be taken advantage of, continuously, by millions every year. Ah, so you do not want them to have rights... because it costs a LITTLE compared to the redistribution of money to the very rich. IF you were consistent (and you are not) you would say this means the very rich should ALSO not have rights (which NOBODY thinks should be the case). But you want the poor who do less harm to have fewer rights than the rich who do more harm (and notice in BOTH cases I am talking about SOME of the poor or rich, not all). As noted, you want special entitlements for the rich. Thanks for the fine example of what I have noted about you. >>> As for the environment, I'm weary of organizations like the EPA which >>> actually _cause_ problems to give themselves a reason for existing >>> <https://www.newsweek.com/epa-causes-massive-colorado-spill-1-million- >>> gallons-mining-waste-turns-river-361019>. >> >> Incorrect. That claim is bullshit because it wasn't the EPA who >> originally created the pollution. The site has a long history of >> pollution, and the property owners materially contributed to the 2015 >> spill by failing to maintain the existing drainage system. > > The claim that the claim is bullshit is bullshit. Ah, such a strong refutation. LOL! -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-27 07:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e954326f-6a0c-49ee-9a45-6e33901b172d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #459783 |
On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 6:37:33 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote: > On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 9:07:15 AM UTC-4, SilverSlimer wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 06:50:13 -0500, chrisv wrote: > > > > > RonB wrote: > > > > > >>> Frankly I have been shocked at how much power he has wielded. I > > >>> didn't know that all of these things were his decision to make. > > >> > > >> Examples? > > > > > > Trade. Immigration. Environment. > > > > I want to live in a society where the elected leader of a country has a > > final say over all three domains. > > YMMV; I'd much prefer a more deliberative process where decisions > are primarily made by group consensus and include checks-&-balances > to minimize the risks of bad (& corrupt) individuals. > > > So far, his decisions on trade have been excellent ... > > Disagree, because tariffs have never proven to be of a net benefit > from a national macroeconomic perspective - - and the reason for these > qualifiers is because in the short term, the government picking the > winners & losers can be good for an individual company or segment > for some limited period of time. > > > and I agree with him that immigration needs to be limited > > to the legal process and that illegals should never be let in. > > It already is that way. > > > People tend to forget that deportations cost the taxpayer quite a > > bit so these people should be prevented from even entering the nation. > > People also tend to forget that Constitutionally, even non-citizens > have rights, including to request asylum. Similarly, they also like > to try to forget that the USA's immigration policies have often been > very deeply rooted in racism ... which Constitutionally is supposed > to be illegal. > > > As for the environment, I'm weary of organizations like the EPA which > > actually _cause_ problems to give themselves a reason for existing > > <https://www.newsweek.com/epa-causes-massive-colorado-spill-1-million- > > gallons-mining-waste-turns-river-361019>. > > Incorrect. That claim is bullshit because it wasn't the EPA who > originally created the pollution. The site has a long history > of pollution, and the property owners materially contributed to the > 2015 spill by failing to maintain the existing drainage system. > > > -hh My view is much more sophisticated. I shan't ask Steven Carroll how any part of Michael Glasser Snit's body tastes no matter how habitually Steven Carroll kisses it. If Steven Carroll calls having his ass handed to him by numerous people (and completely ruining his reputation and any reason for people to trust anything he has to say - for the rest of time) effective 'trolling', then fine... he is a crack troll. I can not agree with that definition, I use another term. I call him an out-and-out moron. Technologies change. Could be the ubiquity of a website is getting past its prime. Just look at your junk and look at Michael Glasser Snit's, there is nothing for anyone to learn from an idiot like Steven Carroll. But knock yourself out, let him keep making an ignoramus of himself. It is not like anyone believes him. -- Do not click this link!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZNxaaKD7-c http://www.5z8.info/hack-outlook_c6c9in_michaelangelo-virus http://tinyurl.com/kmqe66h Jonas Eklundh Communication
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-07-27 12:06 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <t0kmld1k01j90nkosgmle4cdp87gsoadt2@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #459783 |
-hh wrote: > SilverSlimer wrote: >> >> chrisv wrote: >>> >>> Trade. Immigration. Environment. >> >> I want to live in a society where the elected leader of a country has a >> final say over all three domains. > >YMMV; I'd much prefer a more deliberative process where decisions >are primarily made by group consensus and include checks-&-balances >to minimize the risks of bad (& corrupt) individuals. Slimer would be playing a different tune, if the elected leader of the country was doing things that he didn't like. >> So far, his decisions on trade have been excellent ... Figures. But even most right-wingers are smart-enough to know that trade wars don't produce winners. -- "Wow... Peter denies desktop Linux has double clicking. That is just AMAZING!" - some thing, lying shamelessly (but no one can quote it lying)
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-27 10:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3a9d4772-b0ed-40a9-8ffe-312a8105d4a9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #459814 |
On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 11:06:12 AM UTC-6, chrisv wrote: > -hh wrote: > > > SilverSlimer wrote: > >> > >> chrisv wrote: > >>> > >>> Trade. Immigration. Environment. > >> > >> I want to live in a society where the elected leader of a country has a > >> final say over all three domains. > > > >YMMV; I'd much prefer a more deliberative process where decisions > >are primarily made by group consensus and include checks-&-balances > >to minimize the risks of bad (& corrupt) individuals. > > Slimer would be playing a different tune, if the elected leader of the > country was doing things that he didn't like. > > >> So far, his decisions on trade have been excellent ... > > Figures. But even most right-wingers are smart-enough to know that > trade wars don't produce winners. Neither does losing them... hint: we've *been* in a trade war for a long time.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-27 12:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fs197fFfvc7U8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #459814 |
On 7/27/18 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote: > -hh wrote: > >> SilverSlimer wrote: >>> >>> chrisv wrote: >>>> >>>> Trade. Immigration. Environment. >>> >>> I want to live in a society where the elected leader of a country has a >>> final say over all three domains. >> >> YMMV; I'd much prefer a more deliberative process where decisions >> are primarily made by group consensus and include checks-&-balances >> to minimize the risks of bad (& corrupt) individuals. > > Slimer would be playing a different tune, if the elected leader of the > country was doing things that he didn't like. He DID play a different tune when the elected leader was black. The fact the number of illegal immigrants went down and the fact the GDP did well under Obama is something he never speaks highly of. >>> So far, his decisions on trade have been excellent ... > > Figures. But even most right-wingers are smart-enough to know that > trade wars don't produce winners. Sadly there is too much truth to that. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-27 11:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fs1686FfvbnU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #459783 |
On 7/27/18 6:37 AM, -hh wrote: ... >>> Trade. Immigration. Environment. >>> >> I want to live in a society where the elected leader of a country has a >> final say over all three domains. >> > YMMV; I'd much prefer a more deliberative process where decisions > are primarily made by group consensus and include checks-&-balances > to minimize the risks of bad (& corrupt) individuals. Ditto. Conservatives TEND to back authoritarian states... where freedom is limited. >> So far, his decisions on trade have been excellent ... > > Disagree, because tariffs have never proven to be of a net benefit > from a national macroeconomic perspective - - and the reason for these > qualifiers is because in the short term, the government picking the > winners & losers can be good for an individual company or segment > for some limited period of time. His trade wars are pretty much universally seen as a horrible mistake. >> and I agree with him that immigration needs to be limited >> to the legal process and that illegals should never be let in. > It already is that way. > >> People tend to forget that deportations cost the taxpayer quite a >> bit so these people should be prevented from even entering the nation. > > People also tend to forget that Constitutionally, even non-citizens > have rights, including to request asylum. Similarly, they also like > to try to forget that the USA's immigration policies have often been > very deeply rooted in racism ... which Constitutionally is supposed > to be illegal. Excellent points. And they seem to not know that many people HERE illegally came here LEGALLY. Also that the number of people here illegally has been going down since well before Trump got into office. >> As for the environment, I'm weary of organizations like the EPA which >> actually_cause_ problems to give themselves a reason for existing >> <https://www.newsweek.com/epa-causes-massive-colorado-spill-1-million- >> gallons-mining-waste-turns-river-361019>. > > Incorrect. That claim is bullshit because it wasn't the EPA who > originally created the pollution. The site has a long history > of pollution, and the property owners materially contributed to the > 2015 spill by failing to maintain the existing drainage system. Keep in mind Slimer denies man-made global climate change. He knows NOTHING about the topic. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-27 11:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fs159fFfvc7U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #459776 |
On 7/27/18 6:07 AM, SilverSlimer wrote: >> Trade. Immigration. Environment. >> > I want to live in a society where the elected leader of a country has a > final say over all three domains. So far, his decisions on trade have > been excellent and I agree with him that immigration needs to be limited > to the legal process and that illegals should never be let in. Many come to the US *legally*, working for people such as Trump. > People > tend to forget that deportations cost the taxpayer quite a bit so these > people should be prevented from even entering the nation. What people? > As for the environment, I'm weary of organizations like the EPA which > actually_cause_ problems to give themselves a reason for existing > <https://www.newsweek.com/epa-causes-massive-colorado-spill-1-million- > gallons-mining-waste-turns-river-361019>. It's hard to take_anything_ > they say seriously after such acts. You deny man-made global climate change... which pretty much speaks for itself. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-27 19:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pjfr3a$d75$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #459766 |
On 2018-07-27, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: > RonB wrote: > >>> Frankly I have been shocked at how much power he has wielded. I >>> didn't know that all of these things were his decision to make. >> >> Examples? > > Trade. Immigration. Environment. Those are words, not examples. Kind of the same vague crap we get with "Russian collusion." In other words the intent is to elicit an emotional response, not make a reasoned argument. I happen to believe, 1) That NAFTA and GATT is unfair to U.S. workers and have driven U.S. jobs overseas, 2) That we DO need to control our borders and not allow illegal aliens to swamp our country and 3) That shutting down whole swaths of land or industries for something like snail darters, or the bogus "man-made global warming" is a good thing. But what EXACTLY has Trump done on these issues? Simply naming the issues is not making an argument. -- The more I see of Windows, the more I like Linux.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-27 12:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fs19feFfvc7U12@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #459854 |
On 7/27/18 12:16 PM, RonB wrote: > On 2018-07-27, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: >> RonB wrote: >> >>>> Frankly I have been shocked at how much power he has wielded. I >>>> didn't know that all of these things were his decision to make. >>> >>> Examples? >> >> Trade. Immigration. Environment. > > Those are words, not examples. Kind of the same vague crap we get with > "Russian collusion." In other words the intent is to elicit an emotional > response, not make a reasoned argument. > > I happen to believe, 1) That NAFTA and GATT is unfair to U.S. workers and > have driven U.S. jobs overseas, 2) That we DO need to control our borders > and not allow illegal aliens to swamp our country and 3) That shutting down > whole swaths of land or industries for something like snail darters, or the > bogus "man-made global warming" is a good thing. But what EXACTLY has Trump > done on these issues? Simply naming the issues is not making an argument. > You say we need to control our borders as if someone disagrees. Weird. And then you deny basic science... as I have noted conservatives tend to do. Thanks, I guess, for proving me right again. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-07-27 14:35 -0500 |
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| In reply to | #459854 |
RonB wrote: > chrisv wrote: >> >>>> Frankly I have been shocked at how much power he has wielded. I >>>> didn't know that all of these things were his decision to make. >>> >>> Examples? >> >> Trade. Immigration. Environment. > >Those are words, not examples. The are perfect exemples. You presume to tell me what "these things" I was talking about, above? -- 'Unfortunately I believed the COLA gang when they said "it all just works".' - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark
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