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  INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 09:19 -0700
    Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-05-05 16:22 +0000
      Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-05 18:49 +0000
        Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-05 19:50 +0000
          Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-05-06 06:13 +0000
          Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-06 12:12 +0000
            Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-06 12:57 +0000
            The jig is up, once the government gains physical access to your device. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-06 10:13 -0700
        Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-05-06 06:13 +0000
          Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-06 12:16 +0000
            Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 05:58 -0700
    Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-05 12:24 -0400
      Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-07 08:00 -0500
        Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-05-07 09:13 -0700
          Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-07 13:08 -0400
            Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-07 12:25 -0500
              Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-07 10:30 -0700
              Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-05-07 10:47 -0700
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-07 18:03 +0000
                  Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-05-07 12:24 -0700
                    Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 13:12 -0700
                      Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-07 22:09 +0000
                        Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 15:45 -0700
                          Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-07 23:12 +0000
                        Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-07 17:02 -0700
                        Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2018-05-08 15:12 +0200
                    Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-07 22:40 +0000
                      Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-07 23:10 +0000
                        Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-07 23:42 +0000
                          Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 16:55 -0700
                            Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 19:46 -0700
                            Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 01:59 -0700
                            Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-08 12:18 +0000
                              Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 05:36 -0700
                              Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 08:11 -0700
                                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 08:42 -0700
                          Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-08 12:03 +0000
                            Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 05:05 -0700
                            Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-08 07:37 -0500
                              Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 06:24 -0700
                            Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-08 17:25 +0000
                              Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-08 17:44 +0000
                                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-08 17:56 +0000
                                  Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 11:08 -0700
                                  Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-08 18:49 +0000
                                    Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-08 22:45 +0000
                                      Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-09 01:55 +0000
              Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-07 15:22 -0400
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-07 14:50 -0500
          Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-07 12:18 -0500
            Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-07 10:27 -0700
          Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 07:53 -0700
            Compared to SmartPhones, WinIntel is super safe. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-08 08:36 -0700
              Re: Compared to SmartPhones, WinIntel is super safe. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-08 13:47 -0400
            Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-08 17:11 +0000
              Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-05-08 18:21 +0000
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-08 18:40 +0000
                  Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-05-08 18:50 +0000
                  Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 12:59 -0700

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#450512 — INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG!

https://www.heise.de/ct/artikel/Exclusive-Spectre-NG-Multiple-new-Intel-CPU-flaws-revealed-several-serious-4040648.html

"the fixes (or mitigations) will be distributed as (optional) Windows updates. PC manufacturers are simply taking too long to provide BIOS updates. Linux kernel developers are continuously working on hardening measures against Spectre attacks as well."

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#450514

On 2018-05-05, Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://www.heise.de/ct/artikel/Exclusive-Spectre-NG-Multiple-new-Intel-CPU-flaws-revealed-several-serious-4040648.html
>
> "the fixes (or mitigations) will be distributed as (optional) Windows
> updates. PC manufacturers are simply taking too long to provide BIOS
> updates. Linux kernel developers are continuously working on hardening
> measures against Spectre attacks as well."

It's all over the internet... I am bored with this recompiled kernel
with disabled security patches, just for fun. Anyway any program can
take over my system as I am sudoer without password ;))))))))))
I would be root but I like to prevent accidental rewriting of files,
just for that reason I don't log as root.

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#450531

On Sat, 05 May 2018 16:22:49 +0000, Melzzzzz wrote:

> just for that reason I don't log as root.
>

Ha, ha, ha, ha!  Anybody who actually "logs on" to his
own machine is a TOTAL ASSHOLE IDIOT! 

Do you also show your ID card when you enter your own
home?  Ha,  ha, ha, ha, ha!

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#450537

F. Russell <fr@random.info> wrote:
> On Sat, 05 May 2018 16:22:49 +0000, Melzzzzz wrote:
> 
>> just for that reason I don't log as root.
>>
> 
> Ha, ha, ha, ha!  Anybody who actually "logs on" to his
> own machine is a TOTAL ASSHOLE IDIOT! 
> 
> Do you also show your ID card when you enter your own
> home?  Ha,  ha, ha, ha, ha!
> 

Sure, it's called a house key.

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#450573

On 2018-05-05, owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> F. Russell <fr@random.info> wrote:
>> On Sat, 05 May 2018 16:22:49 +0000, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> 
>>> just for that reason I don't log as root.
>>>
>> 
>> Ha, ha, ha, ha!  Anybody who actually "logs on" to his
>> own machine is a TOTAL ASSHOLE IDIOT! 
>> 
>> Do you also show your ID card when you enter your own
>> home?  Ha,  ha, ha, ha, ha!
>> 
>
> Sure, it's called a house key.
>
You got him ;)

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#450584

On Sat, 05 May 2018 19:50:30 +0000, owl wrote:

> 
> Sure, it's called a house key.
>

Translation:

Even though it is a stupid idea, I always log on to my
machine because I don't know how NOT to log on.
GNU/Linux does not offer a "no log on" option
and I must use what I am given because I don't know
how to do it otherwise.

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#450588

F. Russell <fr@random.info> wrote:
> On Sat, 05 May 2018 19:50:30 +0000, owl wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Sure, it's called a house key.
>>
> 
> Translation:
> 
> Even though it is a stupid idea, I always log on to my
> machine because I don't know how NOT to log on.
> GNU/Linux does not offer a "no log on" option
> and I must use what I am given because I don't know
> how to do it otherwise.
> 

Sure, I could do that, but why not just run Windows 3.1?

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#450611 — The jig is up, once the government gains physical access to your device.

The jig is up, once the government gains physical access to your device.

They famously cracked an iPhone, with help, some years back.

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#450572

On 2018-05-05, F. Russell <fr@random.info> wrote:
> On Sat, 05 May 2018 16:22:49 +0000, Melzzzzz wrote:
>
>> just for that reason I don't log as root.
>>
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha!  Anybody who actually "logs on" to his
> own machine is a TOTAL ASSHOLE IDIOT! 

It is proven superior concept. I am not single user on this desktop.
>
> Do you also show your ID card when you enter your own
> home?  Ha,  ha, ha, ha, ha!

Machine is not single user.
>


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#450585

On Sun, 06 May 2018 06:13:08 +0000, Melzzzzz wrote:

> 
> Machine is not single user.
>

Then you should have said "company system" rather
than "my system."

But then with hardware being so cheap what company
could not afford to provide each employee with his
own machine?

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#450589

On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 5:17:21 AM UTC-7, F. Russell wrote:
> On Sun, 06 May 2018 06:13:08 +0000, Melzzzzz wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Machine is not single user.
> >
> 
> Then you should have said "company system" rather
> than "my system."
> 
> But then with hardware being so cheap what company
> could not afford to provide each employee with his
> own machine?



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My gmail posts go back to 2009 (that I've seen, crackhead's forgeries using gmail only go back to 2012). Notice the posting acct. number on this response matches this post from 2009:

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#450515

On Sat, 5 May 2018 09:19:39 -0700 (PDT), Takuya Saitoh
<taka0038@gmail.com> wrote:

>https://www.heise.de/ct/artikel/Exclusive-Spectre-NG-Multiple-new-Intel-CPU-flaws-revealed-several-serious-4040648.html
>
>"the fixes (or mitigations) will be distributed as (optional) Windows updates. PC manufacturers are simply taking too long to provide BIOS updates. Linux kernel developers are continuously working on hardening measures against Spectre attacks as well."

Hopefully, AMD's stock price will deservedly rise.

In my case, this is the last time I buy Intel's junk.

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#450717

> the bigot and kook Takuya Saitoh wrote:
>>
>>https://www.heise.de/ct/artikel/Exclusive-Spectre-NG-Multiple-new-Intel-CPU-flaws-revealed-several-serious-4040648.html
>>
>>"the fixes (or mitigations) will be distributed as (optional) Windows updates. PC manufacturers are simply taking too long to provide BIOS updates. Linux kernel developers are continuously working on hardening measures against Spectre attacks as well."

Such a complicated world, we live in...

Then there's the greedy businessman, pushing get things out as quickly
as possible, to make more money.  It's no wonder that things go wrong.

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#450725

On Monday, May 7, 2018 at 9:00:55 AM UTC-4, chrisv wrote:

> 
> Such a complicated world, we live in...
> It's no wonder that things go wrong.
> 

Nothing has gone wrong.  Absolutely fucking nothing.

The design of the Intel processor is fantastic.  It pushes current
technology to the limit and squeezes extra performance through the
use of clever devices such as pipelining, hyperthreading, and branch
prediction.  The Intel processor is a wonder to behold.

The problem is with these asshole idiots who, presumably with a LOT
of time on their hands, just continually search for ways to exploit
the hardware.

I have said this before and I will say it again.  Must the architect
be blamed if some asshole idiot devotes many days of scrutinizing
the blueprints to discover some tiny potential hole through which
to gain unauthorized entrance to his building?

These "flaws" are only flaws in retrospect.  If someone uses an
automobile to drive at high speed into a crowd of people, do we
claim that the automobile has a serious design flaw?  No fucking way!

But yet many will do just that.  The designer of the former World Trade
Center was even blamed for incompetence because his skyscraper did
not withstand the impact of a passenger jet.  What lunacy!  No architect
in the world would ever anticipate that some asshole idiot would
fly an airliner into his building.

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#450728

On Mon, 7 May 2018 09:13:00 -0700 (PDT), fr314159@gmail.com wrote:

>On Monday, May 7, 2018 at 9:00:55 AM UTC-4, chrisv wrote:
>
>> 
>> Such a complicated world, we live in...
>> It's no wonder that things go wrong.
>> 
>
>Nothing has gone wrong.  Absolutely fucking nothing.
>
>The design of the Intel processor is fantastic.  It pushes current
>technology to the limit and squeezes extra performance through the
>use of clever devices such as pipelining, hyperthreading, and branch
>prediction.  The Intel processor is a wonder to behold.
>
>The problem is with these asshole idiots who, presumably with a LOT
>of time on their hands, just continually search for ways to exploit
>the hardware.
>
>I have said this before and I will say it again.  Must the architect
>be blamed if some asshole idiot devotes many days of scrutinizing
>the blueprints to discover some tiny potential hole through which
>to gain unauthorized entrance to his building?
>
>These "flaws" are only flaws in retrospect.  If someone uses an
>automobile to drive at high speed into a crowd of people, do we
>claim that the automobile has a serious design flaw?  No fucking way!
>
>But yet many will do just that.  The designer of the former World Trade
>Center was even blamed for incompetence because his skyscraper did
>not withstand the impact of a passenger jet.  What lunacy!  No architect
>in the world would ever anticipate that some asshole idiot would
>fly an airliner into his building.

Good points, all of them.

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#450737

Doomsdrzej wrote:

>Good points, all of them.

Wrong.  

Almost every system needs to fend-off attackers, within reasonable
resource limitations.  Should skyscrapers be able withstand aircraft
smashing into them?  No, but they had better to able to withstand any
expected wind force or seismic event.

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#450741

On 5/7/18 10:25 AM, chrisv wrote:
> Doomsdrzej wrote:
> 
>> Good points, all of them.
> 
> Wrong.
> 
> Almost every system needs to fend-off attackers, within reasonable
> resource limitations.  Should skyscrapers be able withstand aircraft
> smashing into them?  No, but they had better to able to withstand any
> expected wind force or seismic event.
> 
The twin towers were not brought down by wind or seismic events.

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#450747

On Monday, May 7, 2018 at 1:25:24 PM UTC-4, chrisv wrote:

> 
> Almost every system needs to fend-off attackers, within reasonable
> resource limitations.
>

Absolute nonsense.

In the case of buildings, there are only two SPECIAL situations
where attention is actually given to attackers: military encampments
and nuclear power plants.  But for virtually everything else no one
is going to waste even a second of design time to consider how an attacker
could possibly exploit the design.

You have obviously never designed anything of significance or
complexity.  All designs are directed toward fulfilling certain
goals and standards and nothing more -- and the vague and even
outlandish notion of a criminal attack is never included.

Then how do we deal with these attackers?

The Internet needs to be completely redesigned, client-side
scripting needs to be completely abolished, and software needs
to be employed by informed users only.

That's how.

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#450750

fr314159@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, May 7, 2018 at 1:25:24 PM UTC-4, chrisv wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Almost every system needs to fend-off attackers, within reasonable
>> resource limitations.
>>
> 
> Absolute nonsense.
> 
> In the case of buildings, there are only two SPECIAL situations
> where attention is actually given to attackers: military encampments
> and nuclear power plants.  But for virtually everything else no one
> is going to waste even a second of design time to consider how an attacker
> could possibly exploit the design.
> 

https://hiddendoorstore.com/steel-reinforced-front-doors/

> You have obviously never designed anything of significance or
> complexity.  All designs are directed toward fulfilling certain
> goals and standards and nothing more -- and the vague and even
> outlandish notion of a criminal attack is never included.
> 

LOL.

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#450758

On Monday, May 7, 2018 at 2:03:56 PM UTC-4, owl wrote:

> 
> https://hiddendoorstore.com/steel-reinforced-front-doors/
> 

Hey idiot.  That's called a RETROFIT.  It's not part of the
original design.

In fact, most current home designs feature sliding glass panel
doors which can be defeated in less than a minute with a simple
screwdriver.  In a home developers mind, looks are foremost and
security is absent totally.

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