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  (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-05-09 04:26 +0000
    Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 22:11 -0700
    Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 22:15 -0700
      Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 23:13 -0700
    Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-09 06:48 -0500
      Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 08:11 -0700
        Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-05-09 20:07 +0000
          Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 13:34 -0700
          Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 13:59 -0700
            Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 14:06 -0700
            Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 14:09 -0700
              Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 14:10 -0700
              Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 14:15 -0700
              Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-05-10 07:41 +0000
                Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 07:49 -0700
                  Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 08:12 -0700
                    Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 09:23 -0700
                      Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 09:30 -0700
                        Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 09:34 -0700
                Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-10 10:24 -0500
                  Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 09:24 -0700
                Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 20:17 +0000
                  Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 13:24 -0700
                  Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-10 17:34 -0400
                    Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 14:36 -0700
        Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 14:05 -0700
          Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 14:13 -0700
            Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 14:52 -0700
              Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 16:58 -0700
                Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 17:33 -0700
                  Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 19:45 -0700
                    Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 21:05 -0700
                    Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 23:10 -0700
                  Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 19:57 -0700
              Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-11 09:14 -0700
                Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 09:44 -0700
                  Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-11 09:48 -0700
                    Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 09:59 -0700
                      Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-11 10:17 -0700
                        Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 10:27 -0700
                          Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-11 11:26 -0700
                            Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 09:11 -0700
                              Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-12 11:24 -0700
    Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 20:14 +0000
      Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 13:23 -0700
      Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-05-10 22:55 +0000
        Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 16:05 -0700
        Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 02:58 +0000
          Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-11 07:23 -0400
            Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 05:45 -0700
          Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-11 11:22 -0500
        Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2018-05-11 13:36 +0100

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#451197

On 5/11/18 10:27 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 11:17:35 AM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
> 
> (snip whining)
> 
>> As noted, in a REAL advocacy group they are not afraid to talk about
>> this issue...
> 
> And you're here instead of there because... ?
> 
As I have noted, I enjoy watching the psychology of people here. And, of 
course, I promote actual Linux advocacy for the small amount that does 
happen here.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#451246

On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
> On 5/11/18 10:27 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 11:17:35 AM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
> > 
> > (snip whining)
> > 
> >> As noted, in a REAL advocacy group they are not afraid to talk about
> >> this issue...
> > 
> > And you're here instead of there because... ?
> > 
> As I have noted, I enjoy watching the psychology of people here. 

LOL! Right... you're just "watching". 

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#451254

On 5/12/18 9:11 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
>> On 5/11/18 10:27 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 11:17:35 AM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>> (snip whining)
>>>
>>>> As noted, in a REAL advocacy group they are not afraid to talk about
>>>> this issue...
>>>
>>> And you're here instead of there because... ?
>>>
>> As I have noted, I enjoy watching the psychology of people here.
> 
> LOL! Right... you're just "watching".
> 
> 
I respond, too... and bring up tech topics (and more). Unlike you, 
though, I do not run around obsessing over anyone, begging for 
attention, lying, and trolling.

I will grant it seems you have backed off your contacting of my family 
and co-workers and the like. THAT was far beyond anything at all 
reasonable, even for the mosh-pit of COLA.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#451090

On 2018-05-09, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
> This isn't an exaggeration, they are all applications I run on my gaming 
> desktop.
>
> https://imgur.com/QuhB6zn
>
> It's Windows 10, and we're used to these so-called "inconsistent" 
> interfaces.  As I said before:  big woop.
>
> For those confused by such things, stay away from Windows and Linux.

You must be responding to "Snit" again. Or at least yanking its chain.

-- 
The more I see of Windows, the more I like Linux.

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#451096

On 5/10/18 1:14 PM, RonB wrote:
> On 2018-05-09, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>> This isn't an exaggeration, they are all applications I run on my gaming
>> desktop.
>>
>> https://imgur.com/QuhB6zn
>>
>> It's Windows 10, and we're used to these so-called "inconsistent"
>> interfaces.  As I said before:  big woop.
>>
>> For those confused by such things, stay away from Windows and Linux.
> 
> You must be responding to "Snit" again. Or at least yanking its chain.
> 

He was going out of his way to back what I had noted.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#451124

On Thu, 10 May 2018 20:14:50 +0000, RonB wrote:

> On 2018-05-09, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>> This isn't an exaggeration, they are all applications I run on my
>> gaming desktop.
>>
>> https://imgur.com/QuhB6zn
>>
>> It's Windows 10, and we're used to these so-called "inconsistent"
>> interfaces.  As I said before:  big woop.
>>
>> For those confused by such things, stay away from Windows and Linux.
> 
> You must be responding to "Snit" again. Or at least yanking its chain.

Basically, yes.  Or rather, responding to his assertion that Linux users 
are all agog about making sure that the windows in their desktop 
interfaces are goosestepping smartly about the screen.

Someone else mentions that it isn't uncommon for the Mac to end up 
looking something like the image above, either, so it is ultimately just 
a sad person's excuse to quibble about Linux.

-- 
-v

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#451125

On 5/10/18 3:55 PM, vallor wrote:
> On Thu, 10 May 2018 20:14:50 +0000, RonB wrote:
> 
>> On 2018-05-09, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>> This isn't an exaggeration, they are all applications I run on my
>>> gaming desktop.
>>>
>>> https://imgur.com/QuhB6zn
>>>
>>> It's Windows 10, and we're used to these so-called "inconsistent"
>>> interfaces.  As I said before:  big woop.
>>>
>>> For those confused by such things, stay away from Windows and Linux.
>>
>> You must be responding to "Snit" again. Or at least yanking its chain.
> 
> Basically, yes.  Or rather, responding to his assertion that Linux users
> are all agog about making sure that the windows in their desktop
> interfaces are goosestepping smartly about the screen.

What many Linux users want is better productivity, efficiency, and 
error-reduction. To get this, yes, it helps to have better use of 
consistency, though windows looking the same is really not that big of a 
part of that equation. To share with you what I shared with Carroll when 
he made up a story about macOS being as poorly done as Linux distos 
(Carroll snipped this, knowing he had no good counter and being unable 
to admit he was wrong or ignorant about this topic):

-----
While the macOS environment is FAR from perfect in this area, there are 
times you want inconsistency. The real issue is the proper use of 
consistency (and inconsistency if you will). It is doing so with purpose 
and based on what the research shows works. Still, you are right to note 
macOS is far from perfect here... for example file dialogs (open and 
save) are FAIRLY consistent but far from perfect even with Apple 
programs (heck, look at the ones from iMovie to see a fine bit of 
insanity). The iMovie UI disaster is one reason I prefer other video 
editing tools.

Still, even with iMovie (what I consider to be a pretty big "error" in 
terms of UI), the level of consistency with the rest of the system is 
pretty amazing. Just some things:

* Menu names and placements. The menu, of course, is where macOS menus 
almost always are, and the terms are the same: without even looking, if 
you are familiar with macOS, you know where the "Preferences" are and 
that they are called that and not "options" or the like, you know where 
"Quit" is and what it will be called (and that you can opt to quit 
keeping windows or not), you know the Share menu item will give you 
options where it makes sense to share your video, you know where to find 
the version information.

* With all or at least most of that, you know the hot keys. For example,
you know what hot key will take you to preferences or to do even rather 
"obscure" things like get to Emoji and symbols if you are adding text.

* You know what the Share icon will look like and (at least roughly) 
what it will do.

* You know that the file dialogs, as "odd" as some are (Import Media), 
will have the "action" button on the far right and the "no action" 
option to the left of that.

* You know that when you go to import an image you will be able to look 
for it by Album or People or Places or the like.

Now iMovie does have an inconsistent color -- a darker theme. This makes 
sense though given the context (though carrying this over the the file 
dialogs seems odd). The fact Photos does NOT have this except for in its 
Edit mode is rather absurd, really. That is a case where an inconsistent 
UI (or at least the option for one) would be a benefit and Apple fails 
to provide it (or if they do I am not aware of it).
-----

> Someone else mentions that it isn't uncommon for the Mac to end up
> looking something like the image above, either, so it is ultimately just
> a sad person's excuse to quibble about Linux.

A *real* advocate would not feel the need to lash out with insults, as 
you just did, instead of just admitting you are not really familiar with 
this area. No harm in that. There are many areas I am not as well versed 
on as you, I am sure.

Bottom line: your ignorance in this area makes you feel insecure so you 
lash out. As I showed, real advocates have no such need.


-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#451128

On 2018-05-10, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 10 May 2018 20:14:50 +0000, RonB wrote:
>
>> On 2018-05-09, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>> This isn't an exaggeration, they are all applications I run on my
>>> gaming desktop.
>>>
>>> https://imgur.com/QuhB6zn
>>>
>>> It's Windows 10, and we're used to these so-called "inconsistent"
>>> interfaces.  As I said before:  big woop.
>>>
>>> For those confused by such things, stay away from Windows and Linux.
>> 
>> You must be responding to "Snit" again. Or at least yanking its chain.
>
> Basically, yes.  Or rather, responding to his assertion that Linux users 
> are all agog about making sure that the windows in their desktop 
> interfaces are goosestepping smartly about the screen.
>
> Someone else mentions that it isn't uncommon for the Mac to end up 
> looking something like the image above, either, so it is ultimately just 
> a sad person's excuse to quibble about Linux.

Nothing EVER changes with "Snit." He's the most monotonous drone who ever 
lived. I guess he doesn't even notice that the Windows UI (since Windows 8) 
isn't even consistent with itself (and that's before you install a single 
application).

-- 
The more I see of Windows, the more I like Linux.

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#451142

On Fri, 11 May 2018 02:58:04 -0000 (UTC), RonB
<ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 2018-05-10, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 May 2018 20:14:50 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-05-09, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>> This isn't an exaggeration, they are all applications I run on my
>>>> gaming desktop.
>>>>
>>>> https://imgur.com/QuhB6zn
>>>>
>>>> It's Windows 10, and we're used to these so-called "inconsistent"
>>>> interfaces.  As I said before:  big woop.
>>>>
>>>> For those confused by such things, stay away from Windows and Linux.
>>> 
>>> You must be responding to "Snit" again. Or at least yanking its chain.
>>
>> Basically, yes.  Or rather, responding to his assertion that Linux users 
>> are all agog about making sure that the windows in their desktop 
>> interfaces are goosestepping smartly about the screen.
>>
>> Someone else mentions that it isn't uncommon for the Mac to end up 
>> looking something like the image above, either, so it is ultimately just 
>> a sad person's excuse to quibble about Linux.
>
>Nothing EVER changes with "Snit." He's the most monotonous drone who ever 
>lived. I guess he doesn't even notice that the Windows UI (since Windows 8) 
>isn't even consistent with itself (and that's before you install a single 
>application).

He prefers to be called "Michael Glasser of Prescott, Arizona," quotes
included. 

In fact, I'm fairly sure that there was a 800-post thread in which he
argued the merits of calling him by that name because of how it
improved productivity and error-reduction.

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#451148

On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 4:24:00 AM UTC-7, Doomsdrzej wrote:
> On Fri, 11 May 2018 02:58:04 -0000 (UTC), RonB
> <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >On 2018-05-10, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 10 May 2018 20:14:50 +0000, RonB wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2018-05-09, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
> >>>> This isn't an exaggeration, they are all applications I run on my
> >>>> gaming desktop.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://imgur.com/QuhB6zn
> >>>>
> >>>> It's Windows 10, and we're used to these so-called "inconsistent"
> >>>> interfaces.  As I said before:  big woop.
> >>>>
> >>>> For those confused by such things, stay away from Windows and Linux.
> >>> 
> >>> You must be responding to "Snit" again. Or at least yanking its chain.
> >>
> >> Basically, yes.  Or rather, responding to his assertion that Linux users 
> >> are all agog about making sure that the windows in their desktop 
> >> interfaces are goosestepping smartly about the screen.
> >>
> >> Someone else mentions that it isn't uncommon for the Mac to end up 
> >> looking something like the image above, either, so it is ultimately just 
> >> a sad person's excuse to quibble about Linux.
> >
> >Nothing EVER changes with "Snit." He's the most monotonous drone who ever 
> >lived. I guess he doesn't even notice that the Windows UI (since Windows 8) 
> >isn't even consistent with itself (and that's before you install a single 
> >application).
> 
> He prefers to be called "Michael Glasser of Prescott, Arizona," quotes
> included. 
> 
> In fact, I'm fairly sure that there was a 800-post thread in which he
> argued the merits of calling him by that name because of how it
> improved productivity and error-reduction.



Michael P. must know Fred Moore knows he is just trolling! 

Michael P.'s posts are nothing but an incomprehensible brain dump. Lines of text containing blips and bloops. 



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#451177

RonB wrote:

>the Windows UI (since Windows 8) 
>isn't even consistent with itself (and that's before you install a single 
>application).

The sheep must think that it's OK, if Micro$oft does it.  Whether it's
having '.' on your path, or ribbons in your applications, or needing
to use two, radically-different, UI's.

Maybe it's the fact that they don't have any choice in the matter,
that placates the sheep.  Freedom seems to frighten them.

-- 
"No one cares about ribbons etc when it comes to real work and data
analysis. Most of your gripes are minor annoyances at most."    -
Hadron "inconsistency is OK if Microsoft does it" Quark

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#451147

On 10/5/2018 23:55 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, vallor posted:

> On Thu, 10 May 2018 20:14:50 +0000, RonB wrote:
>
>> On 2018-05-09, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>> This isn't an exaggeration, they are all applications I run on my
>>> gaming desktop.
>>>
>>> https://imgur.com/QuhB6zn
>>>
>>> It's Windows 10, and we're used to these so-called "inconsistent"
>>> interfaces.  As I said before:  big woop.
>>>
>>> For those confused by such things, stay away from Windows and Linux.
>> 
>> You must be responding to "Snit" again. Or at least yanking its chain.
>
> Basically, yes.  Or rather, responding to his assertion that Linux users 
> are all agog about making sure that the windows in their desktop 
> interfaces are goosestepping smartly about the screen.
>
> Someone else mentions that it isn't uncommon for the Mac to end up 
> looking something like the image above, either, so it is ultimately just 
> a sad person's excuse to quibble about Linux.

If that image above is Win10, IMO it looks like a clusterfuck. Desktop
full of icons, programs all open on ONE screen, & Win 10 is *supposed*
to be an OS made by "professionals"? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Here's more from the "professional" OS makers:

Wanted that Windows 10 update but have an Intel SSD? Computer says no
600p and Pro 6000p devices beset by 'incompatibility issues'.
The Register - May 10 2018.


-- 
"Threatening an atheist with hellfire, 
is no more effective than a hippie 
threatening to punch him in his aura."

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