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  Steam Machines at GameStop Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-10-28 23:25 -0500
    Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 13:41 +0000
      Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-29 10:48 -0400
      Re: Steam Machines at GameStop "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-10-29 19:45 -0400
        Re: Steam Machines at GameStop "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-10-29 20:39 -0400
          Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-29 21:22 -0400
            Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-29 21:39 -0400
              Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-29 21:51 -0400
                Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 09:22 -0400
                  Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 13:29 +0000
                    Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 09:47 -0400
                      Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 13:59 +0000
                        Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 10:14 -0400
                          Re: Steam Machines at GameStop "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-10-30 10:22 -0400
                            Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 10:31 -0400
                              Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-10-30 10:42 -0400
                                Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 10:48 -0400
                                  Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 14:55 +0000
                            Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 14:36 +0000
                              Re: Steam Machines at GameStop "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-10-30 10:47 -0400
                                Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 12:25 -0400
                          Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 14:34 +0000
                            Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 10:37 -0400
                              Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 14:43 +0000
                                Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 12:21 -0400
                                  Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 16:25 +0000
    Re: Steam Machines at GameStop chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-29 09:48 -0500
      Re: Steam Machines at GameStop ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 14:56 +0000
        Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 15:04 +0000
        Re: Steam Machines at GameStop chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-29 13:26 -0500
          Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-10-29 14:33 -0400
            Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-29 16:59 -0400
            Re: Steam Machines at GameStop GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-10-29 19:56 -0600
              Re: Steam Machines at GameStop GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-10-30 15:48 -0600
            Re: Steam Machines at GameStop JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-10-30 11:12 -0500
          Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 18:35 +0000
      Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 15:02 +0000
    Re: Steam Machines at GameStop ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 14:54 +0000
      Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 15:03 +0000

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#329754

On 2015-10-30 10:47 AM, Ezekiel wrote:
> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:d9hdihF2rdcU2@mid.individual.net...
>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:22:35 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>>> "Charmed Tuna" <.m@nsn.s> wrote in message
>>> news:n0vts3$d3q$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 2015-10-30 9:59 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:47:57 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> Or I mistyped it!!  :)  My bad. I meant to type Xbox Live Gold.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I assume that they're competing directly with PS Plus which offers
>>>>>> more of the same thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pretty much.  One's $10/year higher than the other, but overall
>>>>> provides similar benefits.
>>>>
>>>> Well considering how Xbox Live is mandatory to play against others
>>>> online, it's nice that they're offering something back.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> In their quarterly financials this week MSFT said they have 39-million
>>> active users on XBox live. Also interesting was this:
>>>
>>> <quote>
>>> "(Microsoft) will offer an Xbox One bundled with the sci-fi shooter
>>> Gears of War Ultimate, an extra controller, and postapocalyptic
>>> role-playing game Fallout 4 all for just $300. That's an insane deal
>>> considering Fallout 4 is probably the most anticipated release of the
>>> fall.
>>>
>>> Microsoft was able to cut the price of the Xbox One to help it outsell
>>> the PlayStation 4 last November and December, which are the biggest
>>> months of the year for game sales by far. But with Sony cutting the
>>> price of the PS4 to $350, repeating that success may prove difficult for
>>> the Windows company."
>>> </quote>
>>>
>>> That's some severe price competion from both Microsoft and Sony that the
>>> Steam machine must compete against.
>>
>> Wow!  That is some serious price pressure on the gamer market!  Makes the
>> Steam machines even less of a 'deal' than they already are.  Valve has to
>> hope to attract the serious gamers with huge titles as the casual gamer
>> won't be interested at all in their machines.
>>
> 
> Sony and Microsoft have several advantages in this market. Name and brand 
> recognition is one. Both have been making gaming consoles for a very long 
> time. Valve is the new kid on the block and my bet is that most gamers have 
> never heard of them.
> 
> Price wise, MSFT and SNE have the advantage of efficiencies of scale. They 
> can crank out gaming consoles a lot cheaper than someone can make a Steam 
> machine.
> 
> It'll be interesting to see what happens though. Someone at Valve seems to 
> think they can get into this market so time will tell.

I think that what Valve did with Linux gaming is pretty cool. Their move
to port Steam over (as well as their games) allowed third-parties to
finally see Linux as a potential gaming platform. The fact that they're
still pushing the Steambox is evidence that they have no idea how little
they have though. It's nice that Valve made a few decent games over the
years, but it is a small amount compared to what the others have made
and their belief that they're good enough to sell a Steam machine is
similar to Nokia's belief that they can sell an N-Gage. Do any of you
remember how successful the N-Gage was?


-- 
Charmed Tuna

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#329724

On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:14:33 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:

> On 2015-10-30 9:59 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:47:57 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2015-10-30 9:29 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:22:10 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-10-29 9:58 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:51:36 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-10-29 9:46 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:39:36 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-10-29 9:35 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:22:09 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-10-29 8:39 PM, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:d9fqgeFlbv0U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 19:45:09 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:d9elveFc42lU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:25:20 -0500, Nobody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gamestop.com/steammachine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just in time for the Xmas shopping season!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you can at least pre-order them according to your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>> PS Plus is a PS4 thing. Why would they provide Xbox games? I must be
>>>>> misreading your paragraph.
>>>>
>>>> Or I mistyped it!!  :)  My bad. I meant to type Xbox Live Gold.
>>>
>>> I assume that they're competing directly with PS Plus which offers
>>> more of the same thing.
>> 
>> Pretty much.  One's $10/year higher than the other, but overall
>> provides similar benefits.
> 
> Well considering how Xbox Live is mandatory to play against others
> online, it's nice that they're offering something back.

That's true though I don't play online against others.  But I have been 
getting 2 games free a month for the Xbone, now I'll get 4 with the Xbox 
360 compatibility.  And they have sales of some pretty good stuff at 
pretty good discounts just for members.  Overall a good value.

As is PS Plus from Sony.




-- 
Lloyd

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#329726

On 2015-10-30 10:34 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:14:33 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-10-30 9:59 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:47:57 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-10-30 9:29 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:22:10 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-10-29 9:58 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:51:36 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2015-10-29 9:46 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:39:36 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-10-29 9:35 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:22:09 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-10-29 8:39 PM, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:d9fqgeFlbv0U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 19:45:09 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:d9elveFc42lU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:25:20 -0500, Nobody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gamestop.com/steammachine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just in time for the Xmas shopping season!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you can at least pre-order them according to your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS Plus is a PS4 thing. Why would they provide Xbox games? I must be
>>>>>> misreading your paragraph.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or I mistyped it!!  :)  My bad. I meant to type Xbox Live Gold.
>>>>
>>>> I assume that they're competing directly with PS Plus which offers
>>>> more of the same thing.
>>>
>>> Pretty much.  One's $10/year higher than the other, but overall
>>> provides similar benefits.
>>
>> Well considering how Xbox Live is mandatory to play against others
>> online, it's nice that they're offering something back.
> 
> That's true though I don't play online against others. 

Neither do I. I was active in playing against others in NHL 2K9 though.
That year, I was one of the top players in the world (under the name
CellFish).

> But I have been 
> getting 2 games free a month for the Xbone, now I'll get 4 with the Xbox 
> 360 compatibility.  And they have sales of some pretty good stuff at 
> pretty good discounts just for members.  Overall a good value.
> 
> As is PS Plus from Sony.

The Steambox will counter by providing you with two free games a month
as well... 80s-style platformers you wouldn't pay a dime for.

-- 
Charmed Tuna

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#329731

On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:37:32 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:

> On 2015-10-30 10:34 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:14:33 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2015-10-30 9:59 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:47:57 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-10-30 9:29 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:22:10 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-10-29 9:58 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:51:36 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-10-29 9:46 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:39:36 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-10-29 9:35 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:22:09 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-10-29 8:39 PM, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:d9fqgeFlbv0U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 19:45:09 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:d9elveFc42lU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:25:20 -0500, Nobody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gamestop.com/steammachine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just in time for the Xmas shopping season!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you can at least pre-order them according to your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS Plus is a PS4 thing. Why would they provide Xbox games? I must
>>>>>>> be misreading your paragraph.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or I mistyped it!!  :)  My bad. I meant to type Xbox Live Gold.
>>>>>
>>>>> I assume that they're competing directly with PS Plus which offers
>>>>> more of the same thing.
>>>>
>>>> Pretty much.  One's $10/year higher than the other, but overall
>>>> provides similar benefits.
>>>
>>> Well considering how Xbox Live is mandatory to play against others
>>> online, it's nice that they're offering something back.
>> 
>> That's true though I don't play online against others.
> 
> Neither do I. I was active in playing against others in NHL 2K9 though.
> That year, I was one of the top players in the world (under the name
> CellFish).
> 
>> But I have been getting 2 games free a month for the Xbone, now I'll
>> get 4 with the Xbox 360 compatibility.  And they have sales of some
>> pretty good stuff at pretty good discounts just for members.  Overall a
>> good value.
>> 
>> As is PS Plus from Sony.
> 
> The Steambox will counter by providing you with two free games a month
> as well... 80s-style platformers you wouldn't pay a dime for.

Hold on there pard!!  :)

I love platformers!



-- 
Lloyd

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#329751

On 2015-10-30 10:43 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:37:32 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-10-30 10:34 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:14:33 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-10-30 9:59 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:47:57 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-10-30 9:29 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:22:10 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2015-10-29 9:58 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:51:36 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-10-29 9:46 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:39:36 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-10-29 9:35 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:22:09 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-10-29 8:39 PM, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:d9fqgeFlbv0U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 19:45:09 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:d9elveFc42lU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:25:20 -0500, Nobody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gamestop.com/steammachine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just in time for the Xmas shopping season!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you can at least pre-order them according to your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PS Plus is a PS4 thing. Why would they provide Xbox games? I must
>>>>>>>> be misreading your paragraph.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or I mistyped it!!  :)  My bad. I meant to type Xbox Live Gold.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I assume that they're competing directly with PS Plus which offers
>>>>>> more of the same thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pretty much.  One's $10/year higher than the other, but overall
>>>>> provides similar benefits.
>>>>
>>>> Well considering how Xbox Live is mandatory to play against others
>>>> online, it's nice that they're offering something back.
>>>
>>> That's true though I don't play online against others.
>>
>> Neither do I. I was active in playing against others in NHL 2K9 though.
>> That year, I was one of the top players in the world (under the name
>> CellFish).
>>
>>> But I have been getting 2 games free a month for the Xbone, now I'll
>>> get 4 with the Xbox 360 compatibility.  And they have sales of some
>>> pretty good stuff at pretty good discounts just for members.  Overall a
>>> good value.
>>>
>>> As is PS Plus from Sony.
>>
>> The Steambox will counter by providing you with two free games a month
>> as well... 80s-style platformers you wouldn't pay a dime for.
> 
> Hold on there pard!!  :)
> 
> I love platformers!

Which is fine except that my comment was sarcastic; they won't even give
players that much.


-- 
Charmed Tuna

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#329755

On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 12:21:07 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:

> On 2015-10-30 10:43 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:37:32 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2015-10-30 10:34 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:14:33 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-10-30 9:59 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:47:57 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-10-30 9:29 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:22:10 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-10-29 9:58 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:51:36 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-10-29 9:46 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:39:36 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-10-29 9:35 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:22:09 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-10-29 8:39 PM, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:d9fqgeFlbv0U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 19:45:09 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:d9elveFc42lU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:25:20 -0500, Nobody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gamestop.com/steammachine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just in time for the Xmas shopping season!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you can at least pre-order them according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your link.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PS Plus is a PS4 thing. Why would they provide Xbox games? I
>>>>>>>>> must be misreading your paragraph.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or I mistyped it!!  :)  My bad. I meant to type Xbox Live Gold.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I assume that they're competing directly with PS Plus which offers
>>>>>>> more of the same thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pretty much.  One's $10/year higher than the other, but overall
>>>>>> provides similar benefits.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well considering how Xbox Live is mandatory to play against others
>>>>> online, it's nice that they're offering something back.
>>>>
>>>> That's true though I don't play online against others.
>>>
>>> Neither do I. I was active in playing against others in NHL 2K9
>>> though.
>>> That year, I was one of the top players in the world (under the name
>>> CellFish).
>>>
>>>> But I have been getting 2 games free a month for the Xbone, now I'll
>>>> get 4 with the Xbox 360 compatibility.  And they have sales of some
>>>> pretty good stuff at pretty good discounts just for members.  Overall
>>>> a good value.
>>>>
>>>> As is PS Plus from Sony.
>>>
>>> The Steambox will counter by providing you with two free games a month
>>> as well... 80s-style platformers you wouldn't pay a dime for.
>> 
>> Hold on there pard!!  :)
>> 
>> I love platformers!
> 
> Which is fine except that my comment was sarcastic; they won't even give
> players that much.

If they are going to be successful they need to look at what's already 
working.  Even the consoles have difficulty selling just the machine 
which is why almost all the units sold include at least one great game 
and sometimes two.  The reality is that the only console only sales are 
to replace completely shot consoles.

But based solely on the sparse ads about Steam Machines, it doesn't 
appear that even one great game will come with them, nor is it clear that 
the Steam Controller will either.




-- 
Lloyd

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#329410

Nobody wrote:

>http://www.gamestop.com/steammachine
>
>Just in time for the Xmas shopping season!

You mean that they are actually going to put them out there and let
the market decide?  Imagine the "confusion" over yet another gaming
platform.

This would never gotten past the "committee".  They would have
declared that it's "junk" and "not a good deal", and it would have
never seen the light of day.

-- 
"Its too little too late as usual. Apple own the market."  -
"Hadron", on Android's chances in the tablet market.

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#329412

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:48:32 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> Nobody wrote:
> 
>>http://www.gamestop.com/steammachine
>>
>>Just in time for the Xmas shopping season!
> 
> You mean that they are actually going to put them out there and let the
> market decide?  Imagine the "confusion" over yet another gaming
> platform.
> 
> This would never gotten past the "committee".  They would have declared
> that it's "junk" and "not a good deal", and it would have never seen the
> light of day.

The "Committee" was preoccupied with finding a larger supply of lemons 
and sour grapes from their produce providers.

-- 
Zero tolerance for WinDrones and iCultists

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#329418

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:56:04 +0000, ronb wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:48:32 -0500, chrisv wrote:
> 
>> Nobody wrote:
>> 
>>>http://www.gamestop.com/steammachine
>>>
>>>Just in time for the Xmas shopping season!
>> 
>> You mean that they are actually going to put them out there and let the
>> market decide?  Imagine the "confusion" over yet another gaming
>> platform.
>> 
>> This would never gotten past the "committee".  They would have declared
>> that it's "junk" and "not a good deal", and it would have never seen
>> the light of day.
> 
> The "Committee" was preoccupied with finding a larger supply of lemons
> and sour grapes from their produce providers.

some more of your idiocy.  Steam Machines are facing one huge uphill 
battle to garner enough sales going against the much better priced 
consoles and the broad range of Windows PC gamers.  And on Windows, Steam 
is just as available.




-- 
Lloyd

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#329523

ronb wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>> Nobody wrote:
>> 
>>>http://www.gamestop.com/steammachine
>>>
>>>Just in time for the Xmas shopping season!
>> 
>> You mean that they are actually going to put them out there and let the
>> market decide?  Imagine the "confusion" over yet another gaming
>> platform.
>> 
>> This would never gotten past the "committee".  They would have declared
>> that it's "junk" and "not a good deal", and it would have never seen the
>> light of day.
>
>The "Committee" was preoccupied with finding a larger supply of lemons 
>and sour grapes from their produce providers.

Well, that's too bad, because we all know that bickering committees
are the best way to determine which products are produced and offered
to the public.  Bickering committees are best at allocating resources,
and best at determining the proper levels of choice, quality, and
prices.

We can't just the *market* decide those things, can we???

-- 
"Clearly I meant the the number are culled forcibly if necessary by
elected committee and then YOU have the choice."  -  "OSS Culling
Committee" chairman "Hadron" Quark

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#329527

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:26:58 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> ronb wrote:
> 
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> Nobody wrote:
>>> 
>>>>http://www.gamestop.com/steammachine
>>>>
>>>>Just in time for the Xmas shopping season!
>>> 
>>> You mean that they are actually going to put them out there and let the
>>> market decide?  Imagine the "confusion" over yet another gaming
>>> platform.
>>> 
>>> This would never gotten past the "committee".  They would have declared
>>> that it's "junk" and "not a good deal", and it would have never seen the
>>> light of day.
>>
>>The "Committee" was preoccupied with finding a larger supply of lemons 
>>and sour grapes from their produce providers.
> 
> Well, that's too bad, because we all know that bickering committees
> are the best way to determine which products are produced and offered
> to the public.  Bickering committees are best at allocating resources,
> and best at determining the proper levels of choice, quality, and
> prices.
> 
> We can't just the *market* decide those things, can we???

The public at large will speak with their wallets.

It will be interesting to see the excuses from the Linux community emerge
should these Steam Boxen fail to sell.

So who are you pathetic Linux cult klowns going to blame should that
happen?
Sony?
Microsoft?
Nintendo?
The EPO?

Hey, why not blame Apple. Why should it matter that they don't even have a
game console. Blame them anyways.


-- 
You Ain't The Biggest Fish In The Crotch.

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#329566

On 2015-10-29 2:33 PM, Big Fish in a Small Crotch wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:26:58 -0500, chrisv wrote:
> 
>> ronb wrote:
>>
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nobody wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.gamestop.com/steammachine
>>>>>
>>>>> Just in time for the Xmas shopping season!
>>>>
>>>> You mean that they are actually going to put them out there and let the
>>>> market decide?  Imagine the "confusion" over yet another gaming
>>>> platform.
>>>>
>>>> This would never gotten past the "committee".  They would have declared
>>>> that it's "junk" and "not a good deal", and it would have never seen the
>>>> light of day.
>>>
>>> The "Committee" was preoccupied with finding a larger supply of lemons 
>>> and sour grapes from their produce providers.
>>
>> Well, that's too bad, because we all know that bickering committees
>> are the best way to determine which products are produced and offered
>> to the public.  Bickering committees are best at allocating resources,
>> and best at determining the proper levels of choice, quality, and
>> prices.
>>
>> We can't just the *market* decide those things, can we???
> 
> The public at large will speak with their wallets.
> 
> It will be interesting to see the excuses from the Linux community emerge
> should these Steam Boxen fail to sell.
> 
> So who are you pathetic Linux cult klowns going to blame should that
> happen?
> Sony?
> Microsoft?
> Nintendo?
> The EPO?
> 
> Hey, why not blame Apple. Why should it matter that they don't even have a
> game console. Blame them anyways.

It definitely won't be Linux-based SteamOS's fault. It doesn't matter
that AMD cards perform poorly under them or that NVIDIA chips are
routinely outperformed in Windows than in Linux. It's clearly never
Linux's fault.


-- 
Charmed Tuna

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#329637

On 10/29/15 12:33, Big Fish in a Small Crotch wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:26:58 -0500, chrisv wrote:
>
>> ronb wrote:
>>
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nobody wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.gamestop.com/steammachine
>>>>>
>>>>> Just in time for the Xmas shopping season!
>>>>
>>>> You mean that they are actually going to put them out there and let the
>>>> market decide?  Imagine the "confusion" over yet another gaming
>>>> platform.
>>>>
>>>> This would never gotten past the "committee".  They would have declared
>>>> that it's "junk" and "not a good deal", and it would have never seen the
>>>> light of day.
>>>
>>> The "Committee" was preoccupied with finding a larger supply of lemons
>>> and sour grapes from their produce providers.
>>
>> Well, that's too bad, because we all know that bickering committees
>> are the best way to determine which products are produced and offered
>> to the public.  Bickering committees are best at allocating resources,
>> and best at determining the proper levels of choice, quality, and
>> prices.
>>
>> We can't just the *market* decide those things, can we???
>
> The public at large will speak with their wallets.
>
> It will be interesting to see the excuses from the Linux community emerge
> should these Steam Boxen fail to sell.
>

They will if the word Linux is on the box.
The kiss of death.

> So who are you pathetic Linux cult klowns going to blame should that
> happen?
> Sony?
> Microsoft?
> Nintendo?
> The EPO?
>
> Hey, why not blame Apple. Why should it matter that they don't even have a
> game console. Blame them anyways.
>
>


-- 
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

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#329862

On 10/29/15 19:59, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 19:56:20 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:
>
>> On 10/29/15 12:33, Big Fish in a Small Crotch wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:26:58 -0500, chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.gamestop.com/steammachine
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just in time for the Xmas shopping season!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean that they are actually going to put them out there and let
>>>>>> the market decide?  Imagine the "confusion" over yet another gaming
>>>>>> platform.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This would never gotten past the "committee".  They would have
>>>>>> declared that it's "junk" and "not a good deal", and it would have
>>>>>> never seen the light of day.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "Committee" was preoccupied with finding a larger supply of
>>>>> lemons and sour grapes from their produce providers.
>>>>
>>>> Well, that's too bad, because we all know that bickering committees
>>>> are the best way to determine which products are produced and offered
>>>> to the public.  Bickering committees are best at allocating resources,
>>>> and best at determining the proper levels of choice, quality, and
>>>> prices.
>>>>
>>>> We can't just the *market* decide those things, can we???
>>>
>>> The public at large will speak with their wallets.
>>>
>>> It will be interesting to see the excuses from the Linux community
>>> emerge should these Steam Boxen fail to sell.
>>>
>>>
>> They will if the word Linux is on the box.
>> The kiss of death.
>>
> I doubt the word will appear.  It will say SteamOS and the word Linux
> most likely will be buried inside some 'readme' or TOS.
>
Then they understand the situation then.  :-))



-- 
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

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#329758

On 2015-10-29, Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:26:58 -0500, chrisv wrote:
>
>> ronb wrote:
>> 
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nobody wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>http://www.gamestop.com/steammachine
>>>>>
>>>>>Just in time for the Xmas shopping season!
>>>> 
>>>> You mean that they are actually going to put them out there and let the
>>>> market decide?  Imagine the "confusion" over yet another gaming
>>>> platform.
>>>> 
>>>> This would never gotten past the "committee".  They would have declared
>>>> that it's "junk" and "not a good deal", and it would have never seen the
>>>> light of day.
>>>
>>>The "Committee" was preoccupied with finding a larger supply of lemons 
>>>and sour grapes from their produce providers.
>> 
>> Well, that's too bad, because we all know that bickering committees
>> are the best way to determine which products are produced and offered
>> to the public.  Bickering committees are best at allocating resources,
>> and best at determining the proper levels of choice, quality, and
>> prices.
>> 
>> We can't just the *market* decide those things, can we???
>
> The public at large will speak with their wallets.
>
> It will be interesting to see the excuses from the Linux community emerge
> should these Steam Boxen fail to sell.

    I already don't expect them to sell.

    They are expensive low profile machines.
 
    Much like a Mac, they are more expensive than they need to be.

[deletia]

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#329528

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:26:58 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> ronb wrote:
> 
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> Nobody wrote:
>>> 
>>>>http://www.gamestop.com/steammachine
>>>>
>>>>Just in time for the Xmas shopping season!
>>> 
>>> You mean that they are actually going to put them out there and let
>>> the market decide?  Imagine the "confusion" over yet another gaming
>>> platform.
>>> 
>>> This would never gotten past the "committee".  They would have
>>> declared that it's "junk" and "not a good deal", and it would have
>>> never seen the light of day.
>>
>>The "Committee" was preoccupied with finding a larger supply of lemons
>>and sour grapes from their produce providers.
> 
> Well, that's too bad, because we all know that bickering committees are
> the best way to determine which products are produced and offered to the
> public.  Bickering committees are best at allocating resources,
> and best at determining the proper levels of choice, quality, and
> prices.
> 
> We can't just the *market* decide those things, can we???

The 'market' has been deciding for all these years.  But you know it 
costs real money for them to bring the Steam Machines to market, right?  
So do you think one person decided if that was the right thing to do?  
Or, and this is more likely, a 'committee' decided on whether there was a 
real market and if so, is it big enough and profitable enough to invest 
in.

That's how businesses bigger than the mom and pop ones do things.  Not 
some pie in the sky crap you linux loons think exists.

The good part for those hardware makers that are taking the chance on 
Steam boxes is they can be repurposed as Windows machines at the drop of 
a dime if things don't pan out.  IOW, the risk for the mfgs isn't all 
that great after all.




-- 
Lloyd

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#329416

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:48:32 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> Nobody wrote:
> 
>>http://www.gamestop.com/steammachine
>>
>>Just in time for the Xmas shopping season!
> 
> You mean that they are actually going to put them out there and let the
> market decide?  Imagine the "confusion" over yet another gaming
> platform.
>
It very well might offer plenty of 'confusion'.  
 
> This would never gotten past the "committee".  They would have declared
> that it's "junk" and "not a good deal", and it would have never seen the
> light of day.

A niche player within an already niche market has to take those chances.  
I applaud them for having the guts to try.  When the dust settles after 
the holiday buying season we'll see if the gamble paid off.  I wonder 
what the cut-line is for sales that they have decided will tell them the 
success or failure of the project?

While I find the gaming consoles to be more than good enough, I know lots 
of younger folks that are always looking for more and better ways to get 
their gaming fix.

For the holidays this is the way things look:
Microsoft will bring some Xbox 360 compatibility to the Xbox One.  That 
should result in moving some die hard Xbox 360 owners to the Xbox One.  
How many remains to be seen.

Windows PC Gaming is still the elephant in that room.  I don't expect the 
Steam Machines to really impact that much.  My reasoning is that the 
Windows PC gaming community is a very broad one, ranging from the casual 
gamers that can use almost any Windows machine to play on, to those that 
are more 'into' it and will opt for more powerful machines.  That's a 
huge spread!

Steam Machines has to hope they can attract many of those Windows PC 
gamers.  That is not going to be easy!  Based only on what I've seen it 
appears that the entry price is going to be a bit on the high side @$650 
for a machine that won't do anything but run SteamOS out of the box.  
Given that consoles are around the $400 mark with at least one game 
included, that could be off putting.





-- 
Lloyd

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#329411

On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:25:20 -0500, Nobody wrote:

> http://www.gamestop.com/steammachine
> 
> 
> Just in time for the Xmas shopping season!

Sold by Alienware, a division of Dell. (Steam Machines also available on 
Dell's website.)

-- 
Zero tolerance for WinDrones and iCultists

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#329417

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:54:44 +0000, ronb wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:25:20 -0500, Nobody wrote:
> 
>> http://www.gamestop.com/steammachine
>> 
>> 
>> Just in time for the Xmas shopping season!
> 
> Sold by Alienware, a division of Dell. (Steam Machines also available on
> Dell's website.)

That's only one brand, there are supposed to be others too.



-- 
Lloyd

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