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| Started by | Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2015-09-15 19:04 +0000 |
| Last post | 2015-09-16 15:11 -0500 |
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An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 19:04 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-15 19:48 -0500
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-15 20:57 -0400
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 01:04 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 01:02 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-15 20:11 -0500
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 01:18 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-15 20:26 -0500
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 12:20 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-16 10:12 -0500
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-16 10:43 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 18:25 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-16 21:50 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 22:16 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-16 22:27 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 22:35 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-16 23:08 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 23:18 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-16 23:35 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-09-16 18:46 -0500
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-17 00:22 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 00:44 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-16 18:01 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-17 09:36 +0200
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-09-17 14:06 +0200
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 12:39 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 08:08 -0500
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 10:39 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 10:53 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 10:41 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-09-18 07:52 -0500
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-18 07:57 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-18 17:56 +0200
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-18 09:11 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-09-18 12:39 -0500
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-18 11:17 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-18 12:46 -0400
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-18 10:26 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-18 15:24 +0200
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-18 08:42 -0500
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-18 16:04 +0200
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-18 08:01 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-18 08:05 -0700
Peter Köhlmann thinks UNIX did not exist before OS X Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 10:49 -0700
Snit Michael Glasser lying his ass off (again) Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-17 21:47 +0200
Re: Snit Michael Glasser lying his ass off (again) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 13:04 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-17 11:09 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-09-17 13:13 -0500
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 13:07 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-17 14:03 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-17 03:25 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-09-17 08:02 -0500
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-17 13:45 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 17:14 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-16 17:33 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-17 03:17 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-16 20:50 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-17 09:44 +0200
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 10:52 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-17 21:50 +0200
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 13:04 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 22:49 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 16:05 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-17 19:25 -0500
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 17:33 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-17 14:23 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 10:43 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-17 08:09 -0400
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-17 13:50 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 17:07 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-17 22:03 -0400
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-16 17:24 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-09-17 01:40 +0200
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-09-16 18:46 -0500
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 00:45 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 00:48 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-16 23:55 -0500
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 12:36 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 12:44 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-17 19:01 -0500
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 00:05 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-17 20:36 -0500
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 18:44 -0700
Re: An example of how/why bitter iCultists fail! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 17:55 +0000
Re: An example of how/why bitter iCultists fail! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 18:00 +0000
Re: An example of how/why bitter iCultists fail! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-18 13:56 -0500
Re: An example of how/why bitter iCultists fail! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 19:11 +0000
Re: An example of how/why bitter iCultists fail! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-18 13:13 -0700
Re: An example of how/why bitter iCultists fail! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 20:42 +0000
Re: An example of how/why bitter iCultists fail! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-18 13:59 -0700
Re: An example of how/why bitter iCultists fail! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 21:07 +0000
Re: An example of how/why bitter iCultists fail! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 15:47 -0600
Re: An example of how/why bitter iCultists fail! -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-09-18 17:17 -0700
Re: An example of how/why bitter iCultists fail! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-18 17:40 -0700
Re: An example of how/why bitter iCultists fail! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-18 17:24 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-18 20:55 -0400
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-09-18 07:49 -0500
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 13:09 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-18 09:26 -0400
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-18 10:01 -0400
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 17:42 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 17:58 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-16 18:02 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-16 23:21 -0500
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 12:34 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-17 19:04 -0500
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-16 19:44 -0400
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-09-16 18:48 -0500
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-17 03:32 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-16 20:53 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-17 08:45 -0400
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 12:51 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 11:04 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 10:55 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-17 08:40 -0400
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-17 14:29 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-17 12:35 -0400
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-17 18:51 +0200
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 17:05 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 17:05 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-16 17:22 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-09-17 06:49 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-17 14:05 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-09-17 07:48 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-17 15:35 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-17 12:32 -0400
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-09-17 10:42 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-17 19:54 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 17:09 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-17 19:48 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-09-17 14:59 -0500
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-17 22:15 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 22:19 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-17 22:33 +0000
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 15:54 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 15:55 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-09-17 19:20 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 15:52 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-17 19:24 -0500
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 13:06 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 13:07 -0700
Re: An example of how/why commercial linux desktop fails! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-09-16 15:11 -0500
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-09-18 16:04 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mth5ic$f5n$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #321448 |
chrisv wrote: > Peter Köhlmann wrote: > >>I know how the Unix of that time looked. I worked professionally with Unix >>machines (also with the only Multics machine in germany) and I had a Unix >>machine at home, running a MicroPort Unix. > > Well then, how is that you still don't know how to view a youtube > video? Easy. Snit Michael Glasser is a lying, extremely dishonest swine
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-09-18 08:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D221753C.5C479%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #321451 |
On 9/18/15, 7:04 AM, in article mth5ic$f5n$1@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann"
<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
> chrisv wrote:
>
>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>
>>> I know how the Unix of that time looked. I worked professionally with Unix
>>> machines (also with the only Multics machine in germany) and I had a Unix
>>> machine at home, running a MicroPort Unix.
>>
>> Well then, how is that you still don't know how to view a youtube
>> video?
>
> Easy. Snit Michael Glasser is a lying, extremely dishonest swine
Peter Köhlmann <https://goo.gl/sXbJLw>:
-----
| I am one of the few people who literally started working with
| UNIX, PCs, and Macs all on the same day (sometime in Sept.
| 1987).
Pull the other one. At that time there was no OSX. That came 14
years later So you had no "Unix" to play with...
-----
You showed you thought UNIX did not exist before Apple released OS X!
I, on the other hand, in COLA in 1995 spoke of my UNIX use:
<https://goo.gl/TCRJCd>.
In 1987 I got a job where I worked with Macs, PCs, and UNIX machines.
Started using them and learning about them all on the same day.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-09-18 08:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D221762F.5C47F%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #321440 |
On 9/18/15, 6:24 AM, in article mth363$60e$1@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann"
<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>> Who knows what Snit thinks when he says "Unix" ;)
>
> What should he think? He is lying
> By 1987 there was no OpenSource unix around, they were all commercial.
You claim I am lying, but I never said otherwise. But you DID say this:
Peter Köhlmann <https://goo.gl/sXbJLw>:
-----
| I am one of the few people who literally started working with
| UNIX, PCs, and Macs all on the same day (sometime in Sept.
| 1987).
Pull the other one. At that time there was no OSX. That came 14
years later So you had no "Unix" to play with...
-----
You showed you thought UNIX did not exist before Apple released OS X!
I, on the other hand, in COLA in 1995 spoke of my UNIX use:
<https://goo.gl/TCRJCd>.
In 1987 I got a job where I worked with Macs, PCs, and UNIX machines.
Started using them and learning about them all on the same day.
> And they were expensive. Snit Michael Glasser would never have the means to
> buy a MacIntosh then, plus a machine powerful enough to run a Unix of that
> time. The Mac would have been expensive enough, but a Unix machine (with the
> price of a commercial Unix) would have been way past his limited "funds" he
> was leeching off his wife.
You make up stories about my life and about my claims because your claims
are idiotic.
Peter Köhlmann <https://goo.gl/sXbJLw>:
-----
| I am one of the few people who literally started working with
| UNIX, PCs, and Macs all on the same day (sometime in Sept.
| 1987).
Pull the other one. At that time there was no OSX. That came 14
years later So you had no "Unix" to play with...
-----
You showed you thought UNIX did not exist before Apple released OS X!
I, on the other hand, in COLA in 1995 spoke of my UNIX use:
<https://goo.gl/TCRJCd>.
In 1987 I got a job where I worked with Macs, PCs, and UNIX machines.
Started using them and learning about them all on the same day.
> And what would he have used it for? The Unix machines of that time were
> nothing a idiot like that Glasser swine would have had any use for. And he
> could not (and still can't) program his way out of a wet paper bag. So that
> route was also not available to him
You say this as you demonstrate you did not even know UNIX existed until
Apple released OS X!
Peter Köhlmann <https://goo.gl/sXbJLw>:
-----
| I am one of the few people who literally started working with
| UNIX, PCs, and Macs all on the same day (sometime in Sept.
| 1987).
Pull the other one. At that time there was no OSX. That came 14
years later So you had no "Unix" to play with...
-----
> I know how the Unix of that time looked. I worked professionally with Unix
> machines (also with the only Multics machine in germany) and I had a Unix
> machine at home, running a MicroPort Unix.
So how come you did not know UNIX existed before Apple released OS X?
Peter Köhlmann <https://goo.gl/sXbJLw>:
-----
| I am one of the few people who literally started working with
| UNIX, PCs, and Macs all on the same day (sometime in Sept.
| 1987).
Pull the other one. At that time there was no OSX. That came 14
years later So you had no "Unix" to play with...
-----
> Glasser would not have the faintest of clues how to do *anything* with such
> a machine
At least I knew they existed! LOL! You insisted they did not just the other
day!
>> He should be master of command line by now, but he don't know to use it
>> still ;)
>> I first saw AT&T Unix on Motorola workstation and it aint'got GUI, just
>> wyse terminals ;)
>
> Because that was the norm then. X11 was released in September 1987, the
> previous X version X10 was incompatible to it. But it was still commercial,
> and the configuration would have been *way* beyond the capabilities of the
> "worst IT teacher of all time"
I said nothing of using any GUI with UNIX in 1987. You do realize UNIX does
not require any GUI, no less X11. Right? Right? Or no... is even that beyond
you?
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* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 10:49 -0700 |
| Subject | Peter Köhlmann thinks UNIX did not exist before OS X |
| Message-ID | <D2204B22.5C320%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #321233 |
On 9/17/15, 12:36 AM, in article mtdqe5$isu$1@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote: ... >> I am one of the few people who literally started working with UNIX, PCs, >> and Macs all on the same day (sometime in Sept. 1987). > > Pull the other one. At that time there was no OSX. That came 14 years later LOL! Honestly, Peter, UNIX existed LONG before OS X. Apple did not invent UNIX! Here, a post of mine from 1995, to COLA, where I talk about UNIX: <https://goo.gl/c3jR3r>. I guess I should not be surprised to find you thought Apple invented UNIX with OS X. LOL! > So you had no "Unix" to play with Given how OS X did not exist you think I had no UNIX to play with. LOL! No wonder you avoid speaking of technology! Sorry to laugh... but this is just hilarious! You claim to be a programmer (a UNIX one at that if I recall correctly) and you think UNIX did not exist until OS X! > , and the Macs of that time could do > absolutely nothing the other PCs did. It ran 0% of the PC software > > So quit boasting and lying about your "achievements". Its simply pathetic Thanks for boasting about your great knowledge. LOL! -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 21:47 +0200 |
| Subject | Snit Michael Glasser lying his ass off (again) |
| Message-ID | <mtf586$st2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #321315 |
Snit wrote: > On 9/17/15, 12:36 AM, in article mtdqe5$isu$1@dont-email.me, "Peter > Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote: > > ... >>> I am one of the few people who literally started working with UNIX, PCs, >>> and Macs all on the same day (sometime in Sept. 1987). >> >> Pull the other one. At that time there was no OSX. That came 14 years >> later > > LOL! Honestly, Peter, UNIX existed LONG before OS X. Apple did not invent > UNIX! Idiot. I know that, having worked with Unix before 1985 *You* lying imbecile claim to have worked "with UNIX, PCs, and Macs all on the same day (sometime in Sept. 1987)" So come on, you dishonest cretin, show us how MacOS had anything to do with Unix. Hint: It does not. Not at all
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 13:04 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Snit Michael Glasser lying his ass off (again) |
| Message-ID | <D2206ACE.5C396%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #321344 |
On 9/17/15, 12:47 PM, in article mtf586$st2$1@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote: > Snit wrote: > >> On 9/17/15, 12:36 AM, in article mtdqe5$isu$1@dont-email.me, "Peter >> Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote: >> >> ... >>>> I am one of the few people who literally started working with UNIX, PCs, >>>> and Macs all on the same day (sometime in Sept. 1987). >>> >>> Pull the other one. At that time there was no OSX. That came 14 years >>> later >> >> LOL! Honestly, Peter, UNIX existed LONG before OS X. Apple did not invent >> UNIX! > > Idiot. The word you worked hard to make synonymous with your own name. > I know that, having worked with Unix before 1985 Yet you demonstrate, above, that you cannot imagine working on UNIX until Apple released OS X. > *You* lying imbecile claim to have worked "with UNIX, PCs, and Macs all on > the same day (sometime in Sept. 1987)" And I did. > So come on, you dishonest cretin, show us how MacOS had anything to do with > Unix. Hint: It does not. Not at all Are you claiming to have missed how I referenced working on three different types of machines and thought they were all the same ones? -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 11:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <chine.bleu-07C979.11092617092015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu> |
| In reply to | #321233 |
In article <mtdqe5$isu$1@dont-email.me>, Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote: > Pull the other one. At that time there was no OSX. That came 14 years later > > So you had no "Unix" to play with, and the Macs of that time could do > absolutely nothing the other PCs did. It ran 0% of the PC software Apple tried A/UX before OSX. A/UX died a lonely and miserable death. There was a Linux PPC port that limped along; it never got as much love as Linux on a MacIntel. -- :-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' When is a Kenyan not a Kenyan? When he's a Canadian. That's People's Commissioner Siri Cruz now. Punch!
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| From | Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 13:13 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <d60e70Fhc89U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #321325 |
On 17 Sep 2015 11:09, Siri Cruz wrote: > In article <mtdqe5$isu$1@dont-email.me>, > Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote: > >> Pull the other one. At that time there was no OSX. That came 14 years later >> >> So you had no "Unix" to play with, and the Macs of that time could do >> absolutely nothing the other PCs did. It ran 0% of the PC software > > Apple tried A/UX before OSX. A/UX died a lonely and miserable death. There was a > Linux PPC port that limped along; it never got as much love as Linux on a > MacIntel. > A/UX was actually an anomaly at Apple. Designed to move into corporate sales which have really never been a huge part of Apple. I don't know if it failed because it was a bad Unix or because Apple had no idea how to market it. -- Lloyd
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 13:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D2206B76.5C399%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #321329 |
On 9/17/15, 11:13 AM, in article d60e70Fhc89U1@mid.individual.net, "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > On 17 Sep 2015 11:09, Siri Cruz wrote: >> In article <mtdqe5$isu$1@dont-email.me>, >> Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote: >> >>> Pull the other one. At that time there was no OSX. That came 14 years later >>> >>> So you had no "Unix" to play with, and the Macs of that time could do >>> absolutely nothing the other PCs did. It ran 0% of the PC software >> >> Apple tried A/UX before OSX. A/UX died a lonely and miserable death. There >> was a Linux PPC port that limped along; it never got as much love as Linux on >> a MacIntel. >> > A/UX was actually an anomaly at Apple. Designed to move into corporate > sales which have really never been a huge part of Apple. I don't know if > it failed because it was a bad Unix or because Apple had no idea how to > market it. > Or because it was UNIX running on a desktop class machine... when at the time most UNIX systems ran on higher end hardware. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 14:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <chine.bleu-4D2B06.14032617092015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu> |
| In reply to | #321354 |
In article <D2206B76.5C399%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > Or because it was UNIX running on a desktop class machine... when at the > time most UNIX systems ran on higher end hardware. By the time of A/UX the hardware necessary for memory mapping and process isolation was cheap enough to be put into Macs and PCs. What was left was the will and the ATT royalities. -- :-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' When is a Kenyan not a Kenyan? When he's a Canadian. That's People's Commissioner Siri Cruz now. Punch!
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 03:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <anmc93.a3@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #321203 |
Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 00:22:45 +0000, owl wrote: >> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: >>> On 16 Sep 2015 23:35, owl wrote: >>>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Are you really that dumb? >>>> >>>> That's pretty bold, coming from a Mactard. >>>> >>>> >>> You mean a 'mactard' that uses OSX, Linux, Windows 8/10, iOS, Android >>> and Windows Phone? I'd say that makes me much more knowledgeable about >>> the comparisons of the various OS's. >> >> Lloyd, I have currently about 70 different virtual machines composed of >> various OSes including NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Solaris, multiple >> versions of Linux and practically every version of Windows and Windows >> Server ever made. I've got some old SCO Open Server and BeOS disks >> lying around somewhere too. Maybe I'll VM them one day. I am quite >> familiar with the different computing environments that are now (and >> have been) available. I've used Macs at work and *hated* them, because >> I like Unix and OS X just doesn't cut it as a Unix. I've been using >> Linux for about 20 years now, and I haven't found a reason not to like >> it yet. >> >> So if you come from a Windows/Mack environment and dabble with Linux a >> little and then all you do is whine about how it's not dumbed down >> enough for you, then yeah, you're a Mactard. >> >> Oh, and Android, Windows Phone, and iOS are irrelevant to a discussion >> of desktop OSes. > I think you miss my point. I have no issues with Linux from a technical > viewpoint. I'm talking about what it takes to get in accepted in a > commercial/consumer marketplace. Most poor dumb consumers could use Linux just fine right out of the box. All they do is surf the web. Commercial, if you mean corporate, is just a matter of the boss telling them, "This is your new computer system. RTFM." > It doesn't need dumbing down for that > and frankly changing UIs around isn't all that big a deal to me. But the > various distros and UIs make for a terrible marketing problem. Software developers are free to target a few widely used distributions. That's what vmware does, and it's worked out fine for them. They've surely taken plenty of my money over the years in exchange for their excellent product. > I came from a TurboDOS (MP/M alike) background and moved to DOS/Windows > as the changing market killed off the S-100 systems we were building and > selling. Macs didn't come into play until OSX came out in public beta, > never liked previous versions of MacOS at all. Used and loved OS/2 when > those particular wars were going on. > I built and configured Unix systems back in the day too. We didn't do > much Unix business as our target markets were small business and later > schools. At the time Unix just wasn't the right product for much of that. > So I'm not a WinDrone or MacTard, those came much later in my various > careers. OK.
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| From | Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 08:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <d5vrvnFcoaaU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #321219 |
On 17 Sep 2015 03:25, owl wrote: > Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 00:22:45 +0000, owl wrote: > >>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: >>>> On 16 Sep 2015 23:35, owl wrote: >>>>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Are you really that dumb? >>>>> >>>>> That's pretty bold, coming from a Mactard. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> You mean a 'mactard' that uses OSX, Linux, Windows 8/10, iOS, Android >>>> and Windows Phone? I'd say that makes me much more knowledgeable about >>>> the comparisons of the various OS's. >>> >>> Lloyd, I have currently about 70 different virtual machines composed of >>> various OSes including NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Solaris, multiple >>> versions of Linux and practically every version of Windows and Windows >>> Server ever made. I've got some old SCO Open Server and BeOS disks >>> lying around somewhere too. Maybe I'll VM them one day. I am quite >>> familiar with the different computing environments that are now (and >>> have been) available. I've used Macs at work and *hated* them, because >>> I like Unix and OS X just doesn't cut it as a Unix. I've been using >>> Linux for about 20 years now, and I haven't found a reason not to like >>> it yet. >>> >>> So if you come from a Windows/Mack environment and dabble with Linux a >>> little and then all you do is whine about how it's not dumbed down >>> enough for you, then yeah, you're a Mactard. >>> >>> Oh, and Android, Windows Phone, and iOS are irrelevant to a discussion >>> of desktop OSes. > >> I think you miss my point. I have no issues with Linux from a technical >> viewpoint. I'm talking about what it takes to get in accepted in a >> commercial/consumer marketplace. > > Most poor dumb consumers could use Linux just fine right out of the > box. All they do is surf the web. Commercial, if you mean corporate, > is just a matter of the boss telling them, "This is your new computer > system. RTFM." > For the consumer, I don't disagree much. But for them Ubuntu and Mint mean 2 different OS's even though they really aren't. IOW, confusion for them. And in the commercial market place you idea is just wrong. It isn't that easy. I remember the shift from DOS to Windows in the business world. Lots of issues and workarounds as the changes were made. >> It doesn't need dumbing down for that >> and frankly changing UIs around isn't all that big a deal to me. But the >> various distros and UIs make for a terrible marketing problem. > > Software developers are free to target a few widely used distributions. > That's what vmware does, and it's worked out fine for them. They've > surely taken plenty of my money over the years in exchange for their > excellent product. > Based on what you've said about your background, I'm not surprised you think that way. Developers/geeks/techs are not in marketing/sales for a reason. And that reason is they don't understand what it takes to get that great idea across to the market that really doesn't care about all those tech reasons the product is great. > > -- Lloyd
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 13:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fdsam83.jfid@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #321277 |
Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > On 17 Sep 2015 03:25, owl wrote: >> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 00:22:45 +0000, owl wrote: >> >>>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: >>>>> On 16 Sep 2015 23:35, owl wrote: >>>>>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Are you really that dumb? >>>>>> >>>>>> That's pretty bold, coming from a Mactard. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> You mean a 'mactard' that uses OSX, Linux, Windows 8/10, iOS, Android >>>>> and Windows Phone? I'd say that makes me much more knowledgeable about >>>>> the comparisons of the various OS's. >>>> >>>> Lloyd, I have currently about 70 different virtual machines composed of >>>> various OSes including NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Solaris, multiple >>>> versions of Linux and practically every version of Windows and Windows >>>> Server ever made. I've got some old SCO Open Server and BeOS disks >>>> lying around somewhere too. Maybe I'll VM them one day. I am quite >>>> familiar with the different computing environments that are now (and >>>> have been) available. I've used Macs at work and *hated* them, because >>>> I like Unix and OS X just doesn't cut it as a Unix. I've been using >>>> Linux for about 20 years now, and I haven't found a reason not to like >>>> it yet. >>>> >>>> So if you come from a Windows/Mack environment and dabble with Linux a >>>> little and then all you do is whine about how it's not dumbed down >>>> enough for you, then yeah, you're a Mactard. >>>> >>>> Oh, and Android, Windows Phone, and iOS are irrelevant to a discussion >>>> of desktop OSes. >> >>> I think you miss my point. I have no issues with Linux from a technical >>> viewpoint. I'm talking about what it takes to get in accepted in a >>> commercial/consumer marketplace. >> >> Most poor dumb consumers could use Linux just fine right out of the >> box. All they do is surf the web. Commercial, if you mean corporate, >> is just a matter of the boss telling them, "This is your new computer >> system. RTFM." >> > For the consumer, I don't disagree much. But for them Ubuntu and Mint > mean 2 different OS's even though they really aren't. IOW, confusion for > them. > And in the commercial market place you idea is just wrong. It isn't that > easy. I remember the shift from DOS to Windows in the business world. > Lots of issues and workarounds as the changes were made. So? The shift took place, because management made the decision. The workers either made the transition to Windows or they made the transition to new employment. >>> It doesn't need dumbing down for that >>> and frankly changing UIs around isn't all that big a deal to me. But the >>> various distros and UIs make for a terrible marketing problem. >> >> Software developers are free to target a few widely used distributions. >> That's what vmware does, and it's worked out fine for them. They've >> surely taken plenty of my money over the years in exchange for their >> excellent product. >> > Based on what you've said about your background, I'm not surprised you > think that way. Developers/geeks/techs are not in marketing/sales for a > reason. And that reason is they don't understand what it takes to get that > great idea across to the market that really doesn't care about all those > tech reasons the product is great. >> >> When it comes to an OS gaining popularity, developers *are* the market. Without them there will be no eventual consumer or business uptake. And you seem not to have grasped the fact that VMware has been able to successfully target desktop Linux for years despite the runaway distro count. How? They basically "support" Ubuntu, Redhat (and friends), and SuSE. If you're running anything else, you're on your own.
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| From | Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 17:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d60an8Fga3eU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #321282 |
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 13:45:52 +0000, owl wrote: > Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: >> On 17 Sep 2015 03:25, owl wrote: >>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 00:22:45 +0000, owl wrote: >>> >>>>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 16 Sep 2015 23:35, owl wrote: >>>>>>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Are you really that dumb? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's pretty bold, coming from a Mactard. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> You mean a 'mactard' that uses OSX, Linux, Windows 8/10, iOS, >>>>>> Android and Windows Phone? I'd say that makes me much more >>>>>> knowledgeable about the comparisons of the various OS's. >>>>> >>>>> Lloyd, I have currently about 70 different virtual machines composed >>>>> of various OSes including NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Solaris, >>>>> multiple versions of Linux and practically every version of Windows >>>>> and Windows Server ever made. I've got some old SCO Open Server and >>>>> BeOS disks lying around somewhere too. Maybe I'll VM them one day. >>>>> I am quite familiar with the different computing environments that >>>>> are now (and have been) available. I've used Macs at work and >>>>> *hated* them, because I like Unix and OS X just doesn't cut it as a >>>>> Unix. I've been using Linux for about 20 years now, and I haven't >>>>> found a reason not to like it yet. >>>>> >>>>> So if you come from a Windows/Mack environment and dabble with Linux >>>>> a little and then all you do is whine about how it's not dumbed down >>>>> enough for you, then yeah, you're a Mactard. >>>>> >>>>> Oh, and Android, Windows Phone, and iOS are irrelevant to a >>>>> discussion of desktop OSes. >>> >>>> I think you miss my point. I have no issues with Linux from a >>>> technical viewpoint. I'm talking about what it takes to get in >>>> accepted in a commercial/consumer marketplace. >>> >>> Most poor dumb consumers could use Linux just fine right out of the >>> box. All they do is surf the web. Commercial, if you mean corporate, >>> is just a matter of the boss telling them, "This is your new computer >>> system. RTFM." >>> >> For the consumer, I don't disagree much. But for them Ubuntu and Mint >> mean 2 different OS's even though they really aren't. IOW, confusion >> for them. > >> And in the commercial market place you idea is just wrong. It isn't >> that easy. I remember the shift from DOS to Windows in the business >> world. Lots of issues and workarounds as the changes were made. > > So? The shift took place, because management made the decision. The > workers either made the transition to Windows or they made the > transition to new employment. > > >>>> It doesn't need dumbing down for that >>>> and frankly changing UIs around isn't all that big a deal to me. But >>>> the various distros and UIs make for a terrible marketing problem. >>> >>> Software developers are free to target a few widely used >>> distributions. >>> That's what vmware does, and it's worked out fine for them. They've >>> surely taken plenty of my money over the years in exchange for their >>> excellent product. >>> >> Based on what you've said about your background, I'm not surprised you >> think that way. Developers/geeks/techs are not in marketing/sales for >> a reason. And that reason is they don't understand what it takes to get >> that great idea across to the market that really doesn't care about all >> those tech reasons the product is great. >>> >>> >>> > When it comes to an OS gaining popularity, developers *are* the market. > Without them there will be no eventual consumer or business uptake. > And you seem not to have grasped the fact that VMware has been able to > successfully target desktop Linux for years despite the runaway distro > count. How? They basically "support" Ubuntu, Redhat (and friends), > and SuSE. If you're running anything else, you're on your own. Developers are certainly a part of the market, at minimum they provide the product. The rest of the story is in marketing and sales no matter how much the developers hate that. -- Lloyd
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-16 17:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D21F587C.5BC61%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #321200 |
On 9/16/15, 5:22 PM, in article adfmn8v.dj@rooftop.invalid, "owl" <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: > Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: >> On 16 Sep 2015 23:35, owl wrote: >>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>>> Are you really that dumb? >>> >>> That's pretty bold, coming from a Mactard. >>> >>> >> You mean a 'mactard' that uses OSX, Linux, Windows 8/10, iOS, Android and >> Windows Phone? I'd say that makes me much more knowledgeable about the >> comparisons of the various OS's. > > Lloyd, I have currently about 70 different virtual machines composed > of various OSes including NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Solaris, multiple > versions of Linux and practically every version of Windows and Windows > Server ever made. I've got some old SCO Open Server and BeOS disks lying > around somewhere too. Maybe I'll VM them one day. I am quite familiar > with the different computing environments that are now (and have been) > available. I've used Macs at work and *hated* them, because I like Unix > and OS X just doesn't cut it as a Unix. It is a UNIX. It does have a different focus than most other flavors of UNIX. If you come to it expecting it to be just like others UNIX systems you will be in for a shock. > I've been using Linux for about 20 years now, and I haven't found a reason not > to like it yet. Use what you like. > So if you come from a Windows/Mack environment and dabble with Linux a little > and then all you do is whine about how it's not dumbed down enough for you, > then yeah, you're a Mactard. First: Mack makes trucks and the like, not computers. Second, if you are going to claim something is "dumbed down", speak of tasks it does not do as well. There are some for OS X - no doubt... but you show no signs of understanding what they are. > Oh, and Android, Windows Phone, and iOS are irrelevant to a discussion of > desktop OSes. > -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 03:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <afp11.903f@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #321206 |
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > On 9/16/15, 5:22 PM, in article adfmn8v.dj@rooftop.invalid, "owl" > <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: >> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: >>> On 16 Sep 2015 23:35, owl wrote: >>>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >> >>>>> Are you really that dumb? >>>> >>>> That's pretty bold, coming from a Mactard. >>>> >>>> >>> You mean a 'mactard' that uses OSX, Linux, Windows 8/10, iOS, Android and >>> Windows Phone? I'd say that makes me much more knowledgeable about the >>> comparisons of the various OS's. >> >> Lloyd, I have currently about 70 different virtual machines composed >> of various OSes including NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Solaris, multiple >> versions of Linux and practically every version of Windows and Windows >> Server ever made. I've got some old SCO Open Server and BeOS disks lying >> around somewhere too. Maybe I'll VM them one day. I am quite familiar >> with the different computing environments that are now (and have been) >> available. I've used Macs at work and *hated* them, because I like Unix >> and OS X just doesn't cut it as a Unix. > It is a UNIX. T minus 9 days and counting... > It does have a different focus than most other flavors of > UNIX. If you come to it expecting it to be just like others UNIX systems you > will be in for a shock. Right. OS X doesn't cut it as a Unix. I think I said that. >> I've been using Linux for about 20 years now, and I haven't found a reason not >> to like it yet. > Use what you like. I do. So nice of you to approve. >> So if you come from a Windows/Mack environment and dabble with Linux a little >> and then all you do is whine about how it's not dumbed down enough for you, >> then yeah, you're a Mactard. > First: Mack makes trucks and the like, not computers. You could have just said, "Ouch!" > Second, if you are > going to claim something is "dumbed down", speak of tasks it does not do as > well. There are some for OS X - no doubt... but you show no signs of > understanding what they are. OS X doesn't do case-sensitive file systems -- pretty much the norm for any real Unix -- very well at all. It's also apparently horrible with X11 -- again, something expected to work under a Unix just utterly fails on OS X. Both of these failures are design decisions made so as not to "confuse" the poor dumb Mactard. That is called "dumbing down" the system.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-16 20:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D21F8695.5C235%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #321217 |
On 9/16/15, 8:17 PM, in article afp11.903f@rooftop.invalid, "owl" <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: > Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >> On 9/16/15, 5:22 PM, in article adfmn8v.dj@rooftop.invalid, "owl" >> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: > >>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: >>>> On 16 Sep 2015 23:35, owl wrote: >>>>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>>> Are you really that dumb? >>>>> >>>>> That's pretty bold, coming from a Mactard. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> You mean a 'mactard' that uses OSX, Linux, Windows 8/10, iOS, Android and >>>> Windows Phone? I'd say that makes me much more knowledgeable about the >>>> comparisons of the various OS's. >>> >>> Lloyd, I have currently about 70 different virtual machines composed >>> of various OSes including NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Solaris, multiple >>> versions of Linux and practically every version of Windows and Windows >>> Server ever made. I've got some old SCO Open Server and BeOS disks lying >>> around somewhere too. Maybe I'll VM them one day. I am quite familiar >>> with the different computing environments that are now (and have been) >>> available. I've used Macs at work and *hated* them, because I like Unix >>> and OS X just doesn't cut it as a Unix. > >> It is a UNIX. > > T minus 9 days and counting... > >> It does have a different focus than most other flavors of >> UNIX. If you come to it expecting it to be just like others UNIX systems you >> will be in for a shock. > > Right. OS X doesn't cut it as a Unix. I think I said that. It does cut it as a UNIX. And even if the new version is never certified it will still be UNIX-like. >>> I've been using Linux for about 20 years now, and I haven't found a reason >>> not to like it yet. >>> >> Use what you like. >> > I do. So nice of you to approve. > >>> So if you come from a Windows/Mack environment and dabble with Linux a >>> little and then all you do is whine about how it's not dumbed down enough >>> for you, then yeah, you're a Mactard. >>> >> First: Mack makes trucks and the like, not computers. >> > You could have just said, "Ouch!" I prefer to stay on topic. >> Second, if you are going to claim something is "dumbed down", speak of tasks >> it does not do as well. There are some for OS X - no doubt... but you show no >> signs of understanding what they are. >> > OS X doesn't do case-sensitive file systems -- pretty much the norm for any > real Unix -- very well at all. OS X does support case sensitive file systems... it is not the norm for it, though. Thankfully. I am happy Apple is ahead of other UNIX flavors there. > It's also apparently horrible with X11 -- Does not ship with it and no use for most users. Why would any but a tiny fraction of users care about X11? And X11 is not a part of UNIX. > again, something expected to work under a Unix just utterly fails on OS X. Expected by whom? Not the openfoundation, clearly. > Both of these failures are design decisions made so as not to "confuse" the > poor dumb Mactard. That is called "dumbing down" the system. What failures? What tasks are not being done as well. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 09:44 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mtdqsp$ln8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #321221 |
Snit wrote: > On 9/16/15, 8:17 PM, in article afp11.903f@rooftop.invalid, "owl" > <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: > >> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>> On 9/16/15, 5:22 PM, in article adfmn8v.dj@rooftop.invalid, "owl" >>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: >> >>>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: >>>>> On 16 Sep 2015 23:35, owl wrote: >>>>>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Are you really that dumb? >>>>>> >>>>>> That's pretty bold, coming from a Mactard. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> You mean a 'mactard' that uses OSX, Linux, Windows 8/10, iOS, Android >>>>> and >>>>> Windows Phone? I'd say that makes me much more knowledgeable about >>>>> the comparisons of the various OS's. >>>> >>>> Lloyd, I have currently about 70 different virtual machines composed >>>> of various OSes including NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Solaris, multiple >>>> versions of Linux and practically every version of Windows and Windows >>>> Server ever made. I've got some old SCO Open Server and BeOS disks >>>> lying >>>> around somewhere too. Maybe I'll VM them one day. I am quite familiar >>>> with the different computing environments that are now (and have been) >>>> available. I've used Macs at work and *hated* them, because I like >>>> Unix and OS X just doesn't cut it as a Unix. >> >>> It is a UNIX. >> >> T minus 9 days and counting... >> >>> It does have a different focus than most other flavors of >>> UNIX. If you come to it expecting it to be just like others UNIX systems >>> you will be in for a shock. >> >> Right. OS X doesn't cut it as a Unix. I think I said that. > > It does cut it as a UNIX. And even if the new version is never certified > it will still be UNIX-like. > >>>> I've been using Linux for about 20 years now, and I haven't found a >>>> reason not to like it yet. >>>> >>> Use what you like. >>> >> I do. So nice of you to approve. >> >>>> So if you come from a Windows/Mack environment and dabble with Linux a >>>> little and then all you do is whine about how it's not dumbed down >>>> enough for you, then yeah, you're a Mactard. >>>> >>> First: Mack makes trucks and the like, not computers. >>> >> You could have just said, "Ouch!" > > I prefer to stay on topic. > >>> Second, if you are going to claim something is "dumbed down", speak of >>> tasks it does not do as well. There are some for OS X - no doubt... but >>> you show no signs of understanding what they are. >>> >> OS X doesn't do case-sensitive file systems -- pretty much the norm for >> any real Unix -- very well at all. > > OS X does support case sensitive file systems... it is not the norm for > it, though. Thankfully. I am happy Apple is ahead of other UNIX flavors > there. It does *NOT* work with case sensitive FS. Try to install OSX that way. You will be in for a rude shock Another point where OSX is way behind all other Unix With more recent OSX versions apple has also removed the possibility to easily set up persistent NFS shares Another point all other Unix do simple and elegant, and where OSX fails >> It's also apparently horrible with X11 -- > > Does not ship with it and no use for most users. Why would any but a tiny > fraction of users care about X11? And X11 is not a part of UNIX. It is part of every other unix out there. Score another point for OSX being a "bad unix" >> again, something expected to work under a Unix just utterly fails on OS >> X. > > Expected by whom? Not the openfoundation, clearly. No. They simply wanted the check from apple. Everything else meant nothing to them. Unix users have different expectations >> Both of these failures are design decisions made so as not to "confuse" >> the >> poor dumb Mactard. That is called "dumbing down" the system. > > What failures? What tasks are not being done as well. > All tasks you need X11 for. Which are quite a number. VNC as "Ersatz-X" does not nearly cut it. It is a bad "solution" to a common problem
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 10:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D2204C0A.5C322%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #321234 |
On 9/17/15, 12:44 AM, in article mtdqsp$ln8$1@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote: ... >> OS X does support case sensitive file systems... it is not the norm for >> it, though. Thankfully. I am happy Apple is ahead of other UNIX flavors >> there. > > It does *NOT* work with case sensitive FS. <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201711> Well that was easy to prove you wrong! And as much as you want to claim OS X is not UNIX, it is the most popular UNIX on the planet. If Apple does not certify the next version it will still be the most popular UNIX-like OS on the planet. Love how that clearly bothers you. :) But still not as much fun as you showing you think UNIX did not exist until Apple released OS X. THAT was just precious! -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 21:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mtf5ee$st2$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #321316 |
Snit wrote: > On 9/17/15, 12:44 AM, in article mtdqsp$ln8$1@dont-email.me, "Peter > Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote: > > ... >>> OS X does support case sensitive file systems... it is not the norm for >>> it, though. Thankfully. I am happy Apple is ahead of other UNIX flavors >>> there. >> >> It does *NOT* work with case sensitive FS. > > <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201711> > > Well that was easy to prove you wrong! Problem is: You did not. Try to *install* *OSX* on a case-sensitive volume. You will fail miserably OSX can work with such a volume, but not run from such a volume. Big difference. And it shows again that you can't read at all
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