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Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control

Started byJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
First post2025-03-18 18:12 -0400
Last post2025-03-26 11:09 +1300
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  Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-18 18:12 -0400
    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 09:14 -0700
      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 12:23 -0400
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 13:44 -0400
      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 13:43 -0400
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 19:50 +0000
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Mikey <Mikey.Smith@aol.invalid> - 2025-03-21 15:00 +0000
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-21 19:59 +0000
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 16:45 -0400
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:26 -0400
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 23:53 +0000
              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 20:00 -0400
                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-21 20:27 -0400
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-22 00:45 +0000
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 19:57 -0400
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 21:49 -0400
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 22:29 -0700
                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 16:29 -0400
                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 19:59 -0400
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 20:14 -0400
                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 20:29 -0400
                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 01:59 +0000
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-22 04:54 -0500
                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 09:22 +0000
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-22 19:16 +0000
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 07:40 +0000
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 14:26 -0700
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 17:58 -0400
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 15:52 -0700
              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 20:48 -0400
                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:31 -0400
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-21 16:47 +0000
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 13:00 -0400
              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:29 -0400
                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 12:40 -0700
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 15:56 -0400
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 22:27 -0700
                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 16:36 -0400
                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 14:04 -0700
                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 17:52 -0400
                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-22 19:18 -0400
                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 19:23 -0400
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 19:17 -0700
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 08:18 -0400
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 12:21 +0000
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:00 -0400
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:06 +0000
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:17 -0400
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:22 +0000
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:35 -0400
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:41 +0000
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:54 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:11 +0000
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 21:05 +0000
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:22 -0700
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 17:31 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 22:34 +0000
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 08:53 -0400
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 13:39 +0000
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 10:48 -0400
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 19:59 +0000
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0400
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 23:12 +0000
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:36 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:42 -0700
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 18:57 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 23:20 +0000
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:38 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:46 -0700
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 00:59 +0000
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:17 -0700
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 01:30 +0000
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:58 -0400
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:44 -0700
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:52 -0400
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:16 -0700
                                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:24 -0400
                                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:40 -0700
                                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:45 -0400
                                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:48 -0700
                                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:02 -0400
                                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 21:10 -0700
                                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:26 -0400
                                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-09 18:40 +0000
                                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-09 11:51 -0700
                                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-10 10:07 +1200
                                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-09 18:16 -0400
                                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-10 19:48 +0000
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:08 -0400
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:14 -0700
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 19:29 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:46 -0700
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:09 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-25 06:24 +0000
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 02:31 -0400
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 12:20 -0400
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:13 -0400
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 15:39 -0400
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 15:52 -0400
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:58 +0000
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:11 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 22:12 +0000
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 16:02 -0400
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:09 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 20:25 +0000
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:34 -0400
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:43 -0700
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-03-24 09:09 -0400
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-03-24 20:10 +0000
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 18:33 +0000
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:51 -0400
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:06 +0000
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 15:26 -0400
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:33 +0000
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:44 -0700
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:11 -0400
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0700
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:11 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:13 -0700
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:57 -0400
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:43 -0700
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:54 -0400
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:15 -0700
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:22 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:36 -0700
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:43 -0400
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:49 -0700
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:09 -0400
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 21:11 -0700
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:29 -0400
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Rudy Canoza <rc@j.kone.invalid> - 2025-03-25 02:32 -0400
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 02:41 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 18:27 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 16:55 -0700
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 20:08 -0400
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 17:10 -0700
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 20:21 -0400
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 23:11 -0700
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 02:50 -0400
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-05 16:06 -0400
                                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 16:17 -0400
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-04-05 20:42 -0400
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 07:42 -0400
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 08:07 -0700
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 15:44 -0400
                                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 12:46 -0700
                                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 15:59 -0400
                                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 13:11 -0700
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-07 08:57 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-05 15:49 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 16:16 -0400
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 01:26 +0000
                                                            Re: πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ πŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆJenπŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆ Dershmendenderer πŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸΆη¬›πŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆ <root@127.0.0.1>  - 2025-04-06 03:18 +0000
                                                              Re: πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 03:35 +0000
                                                                Re: πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 04:31 +0000
                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 19:17 -0700
                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-23 03:15 +0000
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-23 18:01 +1300
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-23 18:08 +1300
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-23 05:37 +0000
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:45 -0700
                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 23:33 -0400
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:46 -0700
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:13 -0400
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0700
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 00:52 +0000
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:59 -0700
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:48 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:43 -0700
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:28 -0400
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:44 -0700
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 08:43 -0400
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 08:48 -0400
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 08:12 +0000
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 04:20 -0400
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 18:48 +0000
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 14:54 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-25 17:24 -0700
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 20:33 -0400
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-25 18:03 -0700
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 21:19 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 07:40 +0000
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-26 08:36 -0400
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 20:15 +0000
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-27 10:05 +1300
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 17:43 -0400
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-26 19:05 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 19:17 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-27 02:25 +0000
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 19:49 -0700
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-27 03:30 +0000
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 11:57 -0400
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 20:15 +0000
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 16:18 -0400
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 07:45 +0000
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-27 08:41 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 12:20 -0400
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 00:44 +0000
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 21:20 -0400
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-27 18:26 -0700
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 21:53 -0400
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-27 22:42 -0700
                                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 01:45 -0400
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 07:50 +0000
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 02:08 +0000
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 22:16 -0400
                                                                  Computing chops (was: Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-28 02:40 +0000
                                                                    Re: Computing chops (was: Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control) Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 22:57 -0400
                                                                      Re: Computing chops (was: Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-28 04:48 +0000
                                                                        Re: Computing chops (was: Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control) Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 01:17 -0400
                                                                    Re: Computing chops DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2025-03-27 23:23 -0400
                                                                      Re: Computing chops vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-28 04:36 +0000
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 12:06 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 18:11 +0000
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 00:43 +0000
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 21:18 -0400
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-28 08:26 -0400
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 14:58 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 15:13 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 02:09 +0000
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-21 20:33 -0400
    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 00:00 -0400
      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:06 -0400
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 21:09 -0700
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:25 -0400
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 10:13 -0400
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 10:20 -0400
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 11:01 -0400
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 02:05 +0000
      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 08:47 -0400
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 10:35 -0400
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 10:41 -0400
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 11:04 -0400
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-26 11:09 +1300
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-26 11:16 +1300
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 18:53 +0000
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-26 11:09 +1300

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#688273

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-27 21:53 -0400
Message-ID<k50cujd5v1nqudkuui4k8rfavrife5vbp3@4ax.com>
In reply to#688271
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>> I'm a fairly accomplished computer user, you [pothead] aren't
>> better than me, you aren't so great.  You're just a leftover from
>> times past, which is why you make such idiotic political statements.
>> You're an emotional thinker.
>
>So it is "fairly accomplished"...
>
>...or 'I'm beyond a "power user".'


I stand by what I've claimed.  I am a fairly masterful user of
computers.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#688287

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-03-27 22:42 -0700
Message-ID<vs5cs2$1h3sr$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#688273
On 2025-03-27 18:53, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>> I'm a fairly accomplished computer user, you [pothead] aren't
>>> better than me, you aren't so great.  You're just a leftover from
>>> times past, which is why you make such idiotic political statements.
>>> You're an emotional thinker.
>>
>> So it is "fairly accomplished"...
>>
>> ...or 'I'm beyond a "power user".'
> 
> 
> I stand by what I've claimed.  I am a fairly masterful user of
> computers.
> 

"fairly masterful" is a far cry from "beyond a power user".

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#688289

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-28 01:45 -0400
Message-ID<3qdcujh13hjm94prtb78pjtl7a613p7n82@4ax.com>
In reply to#688287
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>> I'm a fairly accomplished computer user, you [pothead] aren't
>>>> better than me, you aren't so great.  You're just a leftover from
>>>> times past, which is why you make such idiotic political statements.
>>>> You're an emotional thinker.
>>>
>>> So it is "fairly accomplished"...
>>>
>>> ...or 'I'm beyond a "power user".'
>> 
>> I stand by what I've claimed.  I am a fairly masterful user of
>> computers.
>
>"fairly masterful" is a far cry from "beyond a power user".


'K ...

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#688290

FromChris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-28 07:50 +0000
Message-ID<vs5kci$299p9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#688273
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>> I'm a fairly accomplished computer user, you [pothead] aren't
>>> better than me, you aren't so great.  You're just a leftover from
>>> times past, which is why you make such idiotic political statements.
>>> You're an emotional thinker.
>> 
>> So it is "fairly accomplished"...
>> 
>> ...or 'I'm beyond a "power user".'
> 
> 
> I stand by what I've claimed.  I am a fairly masterful user of
> computers.

That's literally not standing by what you've claimed. You're simply rowing
back your unsubstantiated claims of prowess. 

Well done for the humility. 

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#688275

Frompothead <pothead@snakebite.com>
Date2025-03-28 02:08 +0000
Message-ID<vs50ba$1jm54$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#688270
On 2025-03-28, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>On 2025-03-27, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Realistically, Joel would be fine using a Celeron with no more than 8GB 
>>>>of RAM.
>>>
>>> Ridiculous, that would function more or less, but not very *well*.
>>>
>>Some people should not be allowed anywhere near a computer.
>>You are one of them.
>
>
> That's just spew, I'm a fairly accomplished computer user, you aren't
> better than me, you aren't so great.  You're just a leftover from
> times past, which is why you make such idiotic political statements.
> You're an emotional thinker.
>
Sugar, I was using computers before you were able to poop in your diaper.
I started out feeding punched cards into an IBM 3505/3525 card reader/punch.

You consider yourself an accomplished computer user?
Like snit you have no clue.



-- 
pothead
Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
Treat it accordingly
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

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#688278

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-27 22:16 -0400
Message-ID<ag1cujltldqvanvj765gg6hso19j8d8kjm@4ax.com>
In reply to#688275
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>On 2025-03-28, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>On 2025-03-27, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Realistically, Joel would be fine using a Celeron with no more than 8GB 
>>>>>of RAM.
>>>>
>>>> Ridiculous, that would function more or less, but not very *well*.
>>>>
>>>Some people should not be allowed anywhere near a computer.
>>>You are one of them.
>>
>> That's just spew, I'm a fairly accomplished computer user, you aren't
>> better than me, you aren't so great.  You're just a leftover from
>> times past, which is why you make such idiotic political statements.
>> You're an emotional thinker.
>>
>Sugar, I was using computers before you were able to poop in your diaper.
>I started out feeding punched cards into an IBM 3505/3525 card reader/punch.
>
>You consider yourself an accomplished computer user?
>Like snit you have no clue.


I would absolutely compete with you, I'm perhaps younger but I'm not
that young, I have a long history with computer use.  You're not
better than me.  You're just a relic, in truth.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#688279 — Computing chops (was: Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control)

Fromvallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
Date2025-03-28 02:40 +0000
SubjectComputing chops (was: Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control)
Message-ID<m4mggtFj02cU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#688278
On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 22:16:06 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
<ag1cujltldqvanvj765gg6hso19j8d8kjm@4ax.com>:

> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>On 2025-03-28, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>On 2025-03-27, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Realistically, Joel would be fine using a Celeron with no more than
>>>>>>8GB of RAM.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ridiculous, that would function more or less, but not very *well*.
>>>>>
>>>>Some people should not be allowed anywhere near a computer.
>>>>You are one of them.
>>>
>>> That's just spew, I'm a fairly accomplished computer user, you aren't
>>> better than me, you aren't so great.  You're just a leftover from
>>> times past, which is why you make such idiotic political statements.
>>> You're an emotional thinker.
>>>
>>Sugar, I was using computers before you were able to poop in your
>>diaper.
>>I started out feeding punched cards into an IBM 3505/3525 card
>>reader/punch.
>>
>>You consider yourself an accomplished computer user?
>>Like snit you have no clue.
> 
> 
> I would absolutely compete with you, I'm perhaps younger but I'm not
> that young, I have a long history with computer use.  You're not better
> than me.  You're just a relic, in truth.

Now now, let's not devolve into a pissing contest/cat fight/whatever this
is turning into.

While pothead's politics are atrocious, they do know a thing or two
about computers.  You, I'm not so sure about -- after all, you think
you're Jesus.

Meanwhile:  what was the last large software project either
of you compiled?

ObLinux:

For me, it was Pan, preceded by a few minutes by Linux 6.14.

(ng snecked)

-- 
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
   OS: Linux 6.14.0 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G
   "Life is like a Car-wash and I'm on a bicycle."

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#688280 — Re: Computing chops (was: Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control)

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-27 22:57 -0400
SubjectRe: Computing chops (was: Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control)
Message-ID<sp3cujdaaao501s59sq1t2sl498hjrp1r6@4ax.com>
In reply to#688279
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 22:16:06 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
><ag1cujltldqvanvj765gg6hso19j8d8kjm@4ax.com>:
>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>On 2025-03-28, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>>On 2025-03-27, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Realistically, Joel would be fine using a Celeron with no more than
>>>>>>>8GB of RAM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ridiculous, that would function more or less, but not very *well*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Some people should not be allowed anywhere near a computer.
>>>>>You are one of them.
>>>>
>>>> That's just spew, I'm a fairly accomplished computer user, you aren't
>>>> better than me, you aren't so great.  You're just a leftover from
>>>> times past, which is why you make such idiotic political statements.
>>>> You're an emotional thinker.
>>>>
>>>Sugar, I was using computers before you were able to poop in your
>>>diaper.
>>>I started out feeding punched cards into an IBM 3505/3525 card
>>>reader/punch.
>>>
>>>You consider yourself an accomplished computer user?
>>>Like snit you have no clue.
>> 
>> I would absolutely compete with you, I'm perhaps younger but I'm not
>> that young, I have a long history with computer use.  You're not better
>> than me.  You're just a relic, in truth.
>
>Now now, let's not devolve into a pissing contest/cat fight/whatever this
>is turning into.
>
>While pothead's politics are atrocious, they do know a thing or two
>about computers.  You, I'm not so sure about -- after all, you think
>you're Jesus.


What does my identity have to do with what I know about computers? I'm
as good as the next computer nerd, we're all skilled.


>Meanwhile:  what was the last large software project either
>of you compiled?
>
>ObLinux:
>
>For me, it was Pan, preceded by a few minutes by Linux 6.14.
>
>(ng snecked)


I just use Linux effectively, I don't have to compile things from
source as a general rule.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#688283 — Re: Computing chops (was: Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control)

Fromvallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
Date2025-03-28 04:48 +0000
SubjectRe: Computing chops (was: Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control)
Message-ID<m4mo04Fj02cU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#688280
On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 22:57:50 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
<sp3cujdaaao501s59sq1t2sl498hjrp1r6@4ax.com>:

> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 22:16:06 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>><ag1cujltldqvanvj765gg6hso19j8d8kjm@4ax.com>:
>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>On 2025-03-28, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>>>On 2025-03-27, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Realistically, Joel would be fine using a Celeron with no more
>>>>>>>>than 8GB of RAM.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ridiculous, that would function more or less, but not very *well*.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Some people should not be allowed anywhere near a computer.
>>>>>>You are one of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's just spew, I'm a fairly accomplished computer user, you
>>>>> aren't better than me, you aren't so great.  You're just a leftover
>>>>> from times past, which is why you make such idiotic political
>>>>> statements. You're an emotional thinker.
>>>>>
>>>>Sugar, I was using computers before you were able to poop in your
>>>>diaper.
>>>>I started out feeding punched cards into an IBM 3505/3525 card
>>>>reader/punch.
>>>>
>>>>You consider yourself an accomplished computer user?
>>>>Like snit you have no clue.
>>> 
>>> I would absolutely compete with you, I'm perhaps younger but I'm not
>>> that young, I have a long history with computer use.  You're not
>>> better than me.  You're just a relic, in truth.
>>
>>Now now, let's not devolve into a pissing contest/cat fight/whatever
>>this is turning into.
>>
>>While pothead's politics are atrocious, they do know a thing or two
>>about computers.  You, I'm not so sure about -- after all, you think
>>you're Jesus.
> 
> 
> What does my identity have to do with what I know about computers? I'm
> as good as the next computer nerd, we're all skilled.
> 
> 
>>Meanwhile:  what was the last large software project either of you
>>compiled?
>>
>>ObLinux:
>>
>>For me, it was Pan, preceded by a few minutes by Linux 6.14.
>>
>>(ng snecked)
> 
> 
> I just use Linux effectively, I don't have to compile things from source
> as a general rule.

Wellugh, okay.

I hate to say it, but I don't think you _need_ 32GB of RAM -- you just
have it because RAM was cheap and it made sense to buy matched RAM.

My number-crunching colo server that I bought for HA experiments has
32GB.

-- 
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
   OS: Linux 6.14.0 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G
   "Help beautify our dumps. Throw away something pretty."

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#688285 — Re: Computing chops (was: Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control)

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-28 01:17 -0400
SubjectRe: Computing chops (was: Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control)
Message-ID<d2ccuj9cqe9vkcrjfntjnmlu66593i5sm1@4ax.com>
In reply to#688283
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:

>>>Meanwhile:  what was the last large software project either of you
>>>compiled?
>>>
>>>ObLinux:
>>>
>>>For me, it was Pan, preceded by a few minutes by Linux 6.14.
>>>
>>>(ng snecked)
>> 
>> I just use Linux effectively, I don't have to compile things from source
>> as a general rule.
>
>Wellugh, okay.
>
>I hate to say it, but I don't think you _need_ 32GB of RAM -- you just
>have it because RAM was cheap and it made sense to buy matched RAM.
>
>My number-crunching colo server that I bought for HA experiments has
>32GB.


My shit would work with 16 GB, I realize, but it'd use swap a lot,
with 32 GB it takes a while to use any swap, and when it does it's not
much.  That tells me it's the right amount, regardless of what the
Apple dummies' imaginations told them to spew, in their attempts to
best me intellectually.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#688281 — Re: Computing chops

FromDFS <nospam@dfs.com>
Date2025-03-27 23:23 -0400
SubjectRe: Computing chops
Message-ID<vs54no$1mnr1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#688279
On 3/27/2025 10:40 PM, vallor wrote:


> Meanwhile:  what was the last large software project either
> of you compiled?
> 
> ObLinux:
> 
> For me, it was Pan, preceded by a few minutes by Linux 6.14.
> 
> (ng snecked)


What's the largest program you ever wrote, by LOC?

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#688282 — Re: Computing chops

Fromvallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
Date2025-03-28 04:36 +0000
SubjectRe: Computing chops
Message-ID<m4mn9oFj02cU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#688281
On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 23:23:37 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
<vs54no$1mnr1$1@dont-email.me>:

> On 3/27/2025 10:40 PM, vallor wrote:
> 
> 
>> Meanwhile:  what was the last large software project either of you
>> compiled?
>> 
>> ObLinux:
>> 
>> For me, it was Pan, preceded by a few minutes by Linux 6.14.
>> 
>> (ng snecked)
> 
> 
> What's the largest program you ever wrote, by LOC?

Beats the snot out of me.

It was certainly in perl, though, so you can start laughing now...

One of the largest C programs I ever wrote was a curses
tool that allowed students to sign up for accounts on
our (then) new student-access Linux host.  (Think: _lots_
of input validation.)  That was in 1992.

Students would fill out the form, then I'd run the data through
awk to format it for input on the HP3000 to verify the entries against
student records.  Then I'd take the results and mass-add all the students.
I think perl4 was involved in there somewhere.

My most recent "big" C project was to generate MD5 hashes of ASCII
representations of the entire IPv4 address space (except
for multicast addresses).  There was also a tool to do a lookup
from the hashes and give the IP address.  (If you want to know what
that was for, I'll tell you.)  That was a while ago though -- lately
I haven't been doing much, but there's a couple of C programs on my
github, which are just screwing around.  Example:

https://github.com/vallor/subfactorial

(That was a Farley Fud "challenge", if you remember.)

-- 
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
   OS: Linux 6.14.0 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G
   "NUMBER CRUNCHING: Jumping on a Computer."

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#688240

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-27 12:06 -0400
Message-ID<4qtaujdqobro4ic6p7ttqb5at9f5vv6jk5@4ax.com>
In reply to#688226
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> 32
>>>> GB is about right, for how I use a PC.
>>> 
>>> I have a mac with 32GB - not my choice - and use much more resource
>>> demanding apps than you which I almost never use all of it. 
>> 
>> You have concluded this all from reading my Usenet posts, you must be
>> psychic, heh.
>
>Nope. You've given enough info to confirm that you're not a power user so a
>basic spec machine will be fine for your *needs*. Whether you want more is
>up to you. 


You're a fucking moron, I'm beyond a "power user".  You just ASSume
shit, about me and my computer.  And wrongly.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#688245

FromChris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-27 18:11 +0000
Message-ID<vs44d0$qq8d$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#688240
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>> 32
>>>>> GB is about right, for how I use a PC.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a mac with 32GB - not my choice - and use much more resource
>>>> demanding apps than you which I almost never use all of it. 
>>> 
>>> You have concluded this all from reading my Usenet posts, you must be
>>> psychic, heh.
>> 
>> Nope. You've given enough info to confirm that you're not a power user so a
>> basic spec machine will be fine for your *needs*. Whether you want more is
>> up to you. 
> 
> 
> You're a fucking moron, I'm beyond a "power user".  You just ASSume
> shit, about me and my computer.  And wrongly.

Am assuming nothing. Just going by your "internet presence" list of apps.
lol. 

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#688265

Frompothead <pothead@snakebite.com>
Date2025-03-28 00:43 +0000
Message-ID<vs4rat$1f84f$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#688240
On 2025-03-27, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> 32
>>>>> GB is about right, for how I use a PC.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a mac with 32GB - not my choice - and use much more resource
>>>> demanding apps than you which I almost never use all of it. 
>>> 
>>> You have concluded this all from reading my Usenet posts, you must be
>>> psychic, heh.
>>
>>Nope. You've given enough info to confirm that you're not a power user so a
>>basic spec machine will be fine for your *needs*. Whether you want more is
>>up to you. 
>
>
> You're a fucking moron, I'm beyond a "power user".  You just ASSume
> shit, about me and my computer.  And wrongly.
>

You can't be serious Joel.
You have flip flopped between Windows and Linux for years.
You screwed up your last PC build.
You claimed that Microsoft had somehow infected your computer so it could not
be registered.

You are a total incompetent just like your motel room fruitcake buddy snit Michael
Glasser of Prescott Arizona.

BTW where is that idiot snit?
Is he in jail again for spousal abuse?


-- 
pothead
Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
Treat it accordingly
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

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#688269

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-27 21:18 -0400
Message-ID<fitbuj57poqevgs2it5mqm120o56ungesg@4ax.com>
In reply to#688265
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>> I'm beyond a "power user".  You just ASSume
>> shit, about me and my computer.  And wrongly.
>
>You can't be serious Joel.
>You have flip flopped between Windows and Linux for years.


Not exactly, no.  I switched to Linux in 2019 because Win10 was in
beta-test mode.  I used Windows on the new computer because it was so
state-of-the-art at first, but I've loved switching it to Linux.


>You screwed up your last PC build.


Not significantly.


>You claimed that Microsoft had somehow infected your computer so it could not
>be registered.


I made an error and have admitted it was incorrect and humiliating.


>You are a total incompetent just like your motel room fruitcake buddy snit Michael
>Glasser of Prescott Arizona.
>
>BTW where is that idiot snit?
>Is he in jail again for spousal abuse?


Take meds.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#688294

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2025-03-28 08:26 -0400
Message-ID<YzwFP.1474689$_N6e.1228836@fx17.iad>
In reply to#688265
On 2025-03-27 20:43, pothead wrote:
> On 2025-03-27, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> 32
>>>>>> GB is about right, for how I use a PC.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a mac with 32GB - not my choice - and use much more resource
>>>>> demanding apps than you which I almost never use all of it.
>>>>
>>>> You have concluded this all from reading my Usenet posts, you must be
>>>> psychic, heh.
>>>
>>> Nope. You've given enough info to confirm that you're not a power user so a
>>> basic spec machine will be fine for your *needs*. Whether you want more is
>>> up to you.
>>
>>
>> You're a fucking moron, I'm beyond a "power user".  You just ASSume
>> shit, about me and my computer.  And wrongly.
>>
> 
> You can't be serious Joel.
> You have flip flopped between Windows and Linux for years.
> You screwed up your last PC build.
> You claimed that Microsoft had somehow infected your computer so it could not
> be registered.
> 
> You are a total incompetent just like your motel room fruitcake buddy snit Michael
> Glasser of Prescott Arizona.
> 
> BTW where is that idiot snit?
> Is he in jail again for spousal abuse?

Please don't give him the impression that we miss him.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#688128

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2025-03-25 14:58 -0400
Message-ID<H1DEP.256590$D_V4.199143@fx39.iad>
In reply to#688125
On 2025-03-25 14:48, Chris wrote:
> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Take a look at my Cinnamon taskbar:  https://i.imgur.com/yPGDm6a.png
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So nothing a Mac Mini with a base configuration couldn't easily handle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Incorrect, I use beyond 16 GB RAM and even puke out a little over 32
>>>>>> at times having these tiny uses of swap.
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny you won't show it, huh?
>>>>
>>>> I'm including the use of cache in overall RAM use, the use of swap
>>>> when all 32 GB is used up to demonstrate that I really need the
>>>> resources I've provided my system.
>>>
>>> Not at all. It just means the OS is being efficient and using the fastest
>>> local storage available to it as much as possible. RAM is mostly used for
>>> caches.
>>>
>>> If you were brave enough to show your memory usage you'd see it for
>>> yourself.
>>
>>
>> I have been monitoring it for months, I know how it goes.  I have
>> reached the point of the OS using swap, when main RAM and cache
>> saturated the 32 GB.
> 
> That doesn't actually mean you *need* 32GB.

Whether he needs it or not, 32GB is going to be a minimum before we know 
it. I imagine that people in 1995 were telling others that they didn't 
*need* 16MB too.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#688129

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-25 15:13 -0400
Message-ID<ctv5ujhv047vhsar1r444j1543n25md1gh@4ax.com>
In reply to#688128
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>On 2025-03-25 14:48, Chris wrote:
>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Take a look at my Cinnamon taskbar:  https://i.imgur.com/yPGDm6a.png
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So nothing a Mac Mini with a base configuration couldn't easily handle.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Incorrect, I use beyond 16 GB RAM and even puke out a little over 32
>>>>>>> at times having these tiny uses of swap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Funny you won't show it, huh?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm including the use of cache in overall RAM use, the use of swap
>>>>> when all 32 GB is used up to demonstrate that I really need the
>>>>> resources I've provided my system.
>>>>
>>>> Not at all. It just means the OS is being efficient and using the fastest
>>>> local storage available to it as much as possible. RAM is mostly used for
>>>> caches.
>>>>
>>>> If you were brave enough to show your memory usage you'd see it for
>>>> yourself.
>>>
>>> I have been monitoring it for months, I know how it goes.  I have
>>> reached the point of the OS using swap, when main RAM and cache
>>> saturated the 32 GB.
>> 
>> That doesn't actually mean you *need* 32GB.
>
>Whether he needs it or not, 32GB is going to be a minimum before we know 
>it. I imagine that people in 1995 were telling others that they didn't 
>*need* 16MB too.


My motherboard has four RAM slots.  I used two of them, initially, to
have 16 GB, so adding another 16 seems rather an obvious thing, the
prices had declined a lot, I had nothing to lose.  The notion that I
could've added less than another 16 is weird, having two pair of the 8
GB sticks gives me a nice round 32 GB, enough for almost anyone these
days, and enough for me right now.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#688158

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-03-26 02:09 +0000
Message-ID<m4h5v8F4mfhU5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#688128
On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 14:58:47 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> Whether he needs it or not, 32GB is going to be a minimum before we know
> it. I imagine that people in 1995 were telling others that they didn't
> *need* 16MB too.

I've burned through 16GB on Windows boxes. Admittedly 'ng start' is a hog 
of the first water. Running the published app with nginx was much less 
memory intensive.

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