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| Started by | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| First post | 2018-05-12 12:38 +0000 |
| Last post | 2018-05-13 05:17 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 527 — 13 participants |
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Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-12 12:38 +0000
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-12 14:35 +0000
Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-13 00:48 +0000
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-12 19:02 -0700
Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-13 04:28 +0000
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-12 21:42 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-12 22:52 -0700
Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-13 16:58 +0000
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-13 10:13 -0700
Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-13 18:22 +0000
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-13 11:28 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 13:33 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-13 13:43 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 14:16 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-13 16:48 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 17:59 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 18:33 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-13 19:50 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 20:40 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-13 21:49 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 22:46 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 10:15 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-14 11:15 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 11:27 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-14 18:30 +0000
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 13:09 -0700
Does anyone here know of a proud bot owner who'd... Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-05-14 13:36 -0700
Re: Does anyone here know of a proud bot owner who'd... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 14:13 -0700
Re: Does anyone here know of a proud bot owner who'd... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-14 14:45 -0700
Re: Does anyone here know of a proud bot owner who'd... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-14 14:43 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-14 14:42 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 15:22 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-14 15:41 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 16:54 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-14 17:00 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 19:53 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 20:04 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-14 20:22 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 20:34 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-14 20:37 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 20:50 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-14 20:56 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 23:24 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 21:00 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-14 21:18 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 11:01 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-15 11:25 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 11:58 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-15 12:15 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 13:10 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-15 13:47 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-15 13:59 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 14:08 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-15 14:30 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 15:48 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 16:17 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-15 16:26 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-15 17:38 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-15 20:14 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-15 16:18 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 16:43 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-15 16:50 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-15 17:22 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 17:26 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-15 17:36 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 18:05 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 20:55 -0700
Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-13 20:48 +0000
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-13 14:06 -0700
Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-15 18:41 +0000
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 11:58 -0700
Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-15 19:31 +0000
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-15 12:08 -0700
Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-15 19:54 +0000
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 13:07 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-15 13:44 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-15 13:43 -0700
Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-15 21:33 +0000
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-15 14:36 -0700
Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-15 21:53 +0000
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-15 14:56 -0700
Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-16 00:49 +0000
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-15 17:59 -0700
Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-16 01:47 +0000
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 18:52 -0700
Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-16 02:05 +0000
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 19:09 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 01:10 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-15 19:11 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-15 19:07 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-15 19:06 -0700
Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-16 23:20 +0000
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-16 19:47 -0700
Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-17 05:45 +0000
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 06:02 +0000
Re: Observations Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-17 09:01 -0400
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 07:14 -0700
Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-17 15:16 +0000
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 08:46 -0700
Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-17 16:26 +0000
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 09:42 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 10:21 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 09:57 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 10:26 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 10:33 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 11:08 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 14:07 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 14:14 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 14:45 -0700
Re: Observations chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-17 11:57 -0500
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 10:22 -0700
Re: Observations Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-17 13:44 -0400
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 10:52 -0700
Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-17 18:33 +0000
Re: Observations chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-17 14:26 -0500
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 14:13 -0700
Re: Observations Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-17 16:43 -0400
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 14:44 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 14:09 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 14:16 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 14:46 -0700
Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-17 22:29 +0000
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 15:40 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 12:53 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 14:36 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 15:30 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 15:42 -0700
Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-17 23:14 +0000
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 17:07 -0700
Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-18 00:39 +0000
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 18:02 -0700
Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-18 01:17 +0000
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 18:30 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 11:57 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 12:52 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 14:45 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 15:39 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 18:27 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 19:21 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 19:49 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 20:08 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 20:17 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 20:25 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 20:37 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 20:53 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 21:10 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 21:22 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 21:31 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 12:04 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 13:03 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 13:12 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 13:34 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 13:50 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 14:02 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 15:37 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 15:47 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 15:50 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 17:04 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 17:53 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 18:29 -0700
Re: Observations Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-05-19 01:33 +0000
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 18:39 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 19:12 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 20:13 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 23:03 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 08:16 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-19 08:28 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 08:47 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-19 08:50 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 09:00 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-19 09:03 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 09:25 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-19 09:27 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 09:32 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 17:39 -0700
Re: Observations chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-21 07:16 -0500
Re: Observations Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-05-21 09:20 -0400
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 07:23 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 08:41 -0700
Re: Observations chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-22 08:22 -0500
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-21 09:31 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 09:59 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 11:23 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-21 19:28 +0000
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 14:39 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 20:21 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 00:31 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 09:09 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 09:47 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 10:04 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 10:17 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 10:29 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 10:42 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 10:38 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 10:58 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 11:05 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 11:36 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 11:44 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 12:32 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 12:36 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 12:44 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 12:48 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 13:20 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 13:31 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 14:36 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 15:04 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 15:23 -0700
Don't expect a good response. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-05-22 15:12 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 15:53 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 16:46 -0700
innerText Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-05-22 16:59 -0700
Re: innerText Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 17:39 -0700
Re: innerText Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 18:06 -0700
Re: innerText Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-05-23 01:18 +0000
Re: innerText Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 18:21 -0700
Re: innerText Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 18:32 -0700
Re: innerText Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 18:32 -0700
Re: innerText Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 18:49 -0700
Re: innerText RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 20:09 +0000
Why ? What's the goal ? Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-05-22 18:46 -0700
Re: Why ? What's the goal ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 19:10 -0700
Re: Why ? What's the goal ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 19:30 -0700
Re: Why ? What's the goal ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 19:28 -0700
Re: Why ? What's the goal ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 20:37 -0700
Re: innerText Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 17:46 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 18:05 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 19:13 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 19:31 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 07:45 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 08:43 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 09:12 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 09:24 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 09:49 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 12:34 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 12:56 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 13:34 -0700
Tables Within Tables. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-05-23 13:56 -0700
Re: Tables Within Tables. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 14:10 -0700
If not a .CSV file, then what ? Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-05-23 14:47 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 15:19 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 17:59 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 19:14 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 19:42 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 12:23 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? quatloo <quatloo@tribble.net> - 2018-05-24 14:42 -0500
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 13:13 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? quatloo <quatloo@tribble.net> - 2018-05-25 09:21 -0500
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 09:13 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:22 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? quatloo <quatloo@tribble.net> - 2018-05-25 12:08 -0500
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:20 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:28 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:38 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:49 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:56 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:41 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 21:08 -0700
Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-05-25 11:22 -0700
Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 11:50 -0700
Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 11:55 -0700
Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 12:45 -0700
Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 14:12 -0700
Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 14:42 -0700
Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 15:23 -0700
Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 15:39 -0700
Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 16:12 -0700
Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 18:25 -0700
Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 18:56 -0700
Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-26 02:24 +0000
Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 19:35 -0700
Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 19:46 -0700
Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 19:51 -0700
Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 19:05 -0700
Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 15:26 -0700
Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 16:13 -0700
Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 18:42 -0700
Michael's PlanetKilling carbon dioxide. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-05-26 02:27 -0700
Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 15:32 -0700
"trolling and flooding" your way to freedom, divorce. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-05-26 02:12 -0700
Re: "trolling and flooding" your way to freedom, divorce. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 02:36 -0700
Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 12:01 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 11:13 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:14 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 09:17 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:31 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 09:43 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:53 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:18 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:54 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:40 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:11 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:39 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? quatloo <quatloo@tribble.net> - 2018-05-25 12:09 -0500
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:16 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:24 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:43 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:50 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 14:15 -0700
Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-05-26 02:44 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 09:53 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 10:15 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 11:48 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 11:58 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 12:06 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 12:13 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 12:41 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 20:21 +0000
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 14:05 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 14:46 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 16:04 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 16:27 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 16:31 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 16:40 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 16:58 -0700
Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 17:14 -0700
Re: Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 12:27 -0700
Re: Tech question for Carroll Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 12:50 -0700
Re: Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-29 08:52 -0700
Re: Tech question for Carroll Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 09:18 -0700
Re: Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-29 20:41 +0000
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 16:53 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 17:21 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 17:45 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 22:59 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 17:35 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 21:26 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 09:28 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 09:42 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 10:33 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 11:31 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 10:42 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 11:04 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 11:19 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 11:43 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 11:59 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 12:51 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 12:56 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 13:06 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 13:12 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 13:36 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 14:11 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 14:56 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 15:59 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 16:05 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 16:27 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 17:01 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 20:12 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 21:22 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 06:41 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 18:12 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-28 19:06 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 11:48 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 11:55 -0700
Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-29 14:41 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-29 12:12 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 13:13 -0700
Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-29 14:40 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 13:36 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 19:28 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 13:02 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 13:12 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 13:27 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 13:48 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 13:37 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 12:18 -0700
Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 15:56 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 14:23 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 14:48 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 15:30 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 17:43 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:03 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:21 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 13:09 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 14:00 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 16:51 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 20:17 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 20:53 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 21:30 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 21:47 -0700
The head shrinker. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-05-24 22:13 -0700
Re: The head shrinker. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:18 -0700
Re: The head shrinker. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 22:22 -0700
Re: The head shrinker. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:24 -0700
"kinder" is German for "children". Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-05-24 22:39 -0700
Re: "kinder" is German for "children". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 23:26 -0700
Re: "kinder" is German for "children". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 08:58 -0700
Re: "kinder" is German for "children". quatloo <quatloo@tribble.net> - 2018-05-25 09:15 -0500
Re: "kinder" is German for "children". Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 07:35 -0700
Re: "kinder" is German for "children". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 08:55 -0700
Re: "kinder" is German for "children". Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:24 -0700
Re: The head shrinker. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 22:19 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 22:04 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:10 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 22:16 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:22 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:25 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 20:19 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 20:25 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 21:06 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 23:26 -0700
Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 02:35 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 13:16 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 15:30 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 15:44 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 16:32 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 18:53 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 19:28 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 19:42 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 19:57 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:01 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 20:10 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:13 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 20:37 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:44 -0700
Ping Carroll: Why all the trolling? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 19:03 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-23 07:15 -0500
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 07:16 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 07:19 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 07:48 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-23 07:45 -0400
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 04:58 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 12:48 +0000
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 06:17 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 07:19 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 07:35 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 07:53 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 08:17 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 08:52 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 09:22 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 09:34 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 10:01 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 12:36 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 13:28 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 13:39 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 10:09 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 09:38 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 12:37 -0700
Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 13:01 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 14:52 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 10:37 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 17:13 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 17:14 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 10:21 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-19 10:25 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 18:24 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 18:25 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 08:48 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 09:12 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 09:09 -0700
Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 09:16 -0700
Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 09:37 -0700
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-05-12 12:38 +0000 |
| Subject | Observations |
| Message-ID | <x09b0ab.apphoi3@rooftop.invalid> |
After working with vim and sc under linux on the android, I have noticed that, as counterintuitive as it might seem, editing and spreadsheet tasks are actually much *easier* this way than they are with the usual touch-screen interface to typical android apps of those types. All that frustrating touch and hold (and usually try again several times), drag, menu choice, etc., vs simple, precise keyboard navigation and short, powerful commands for cutting, pasting, etc. Much more efficient this way. I had tried a while back to use Excel on my phone. After about 10 minutes, I wanted to throw the phone against a wall. By contrast, SC, with its vi-like navigation, is a pleasure to use on the phone. Vim and SC are the obvious choices for effiency when you have a physical keyboard, but it's not so obvious that they are also the most efficient on a touch screen with a software keyboard.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-05-12 14:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <flocd8For9vU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #451234 |
owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: > After working with vim and sc under linux on the android, I have noticed > that, as counterintuitive as it might seem, editing and spreadsheet > tasks are actually much *easier* this way than they are with the usual > touch-screen interface to typical android apps of those types. All that > frustrating touch and hold (and usually try again several times), drag, > menu choice, etc., vs simple, precise keyboard navigation and short, > powerful commands for cutting, pasting, etc. Much more efficient this > way. I had tried a while back to use Excel on my phone. After about > 10 minutes, I wanted to throw the phone against a wall. By contrast, > SC, with its vi-like navigation, is a pleasure to use on the phone. > > Vim and SC are the obvious choices for effiency when you have a physical > keyboard, but it's not so obvious that they are also the most efficient > on a touch screen with a software keyboard. > > Would be interesting to see a video of you, say, making a 10x10 multiplication table.
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-05-13 00:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lpsb90.89tq3tg@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #451241 |
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: >> After working with vim and sc under linux on the android, I have noticed >> that, as counterintuitive as it might seem, editing and spreadsheet >> tasks are actually much *easier* this way than they are with the usual >> touch-screen interface to typical android apps of those types. All that >> frustrating touch and hold (and usually try again several times), drag, >> menu choice, etc., vs simple, precise keyboard navigation and short, >> powerful commands for cutting, pasting, etc. Much more efficient this >> way. I had tried a while back to use Excel on my phone. After about >> 10 minutes, I wanted to throw the phone against a wall. By contrast, >> SC, with its vi-like navigation, is a pleasure to use on the phone. >> >> Vim and SC are the obvious choices for effiency when you have a physical >> keyboard, but it's not so obvious that they are also the most efficient >> on a touch screen with a software keyboard. >> >> > > Would be interesting to see a video of you, say, making a 10x10 > multiplication table. > https://pewtube.com/user/owl/7hSpJvB?autoplay=off
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-05-12 19:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <flpkldF2rouU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #451264 |
On 5/12/18 5:48 PM, owl wrote:
> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>> After working with vim and sc under linux on the android, I have noticed
>>> that, as counterintuitive as it might seem, editing and spreadsheet
>>> tasks are actually much *easier* this way than they are with the usual
>>> touch-screen interface to typical android apps of those types. All that
>>> frustrating touch and hold (and usually try again several times), drag,
>>> menu choice, etc., vs simple, precise keyboard navigation and short,
>>> powerful commands for cutting, pasting, etc. Much more efficient this
>>> way. I had tried a while back to use Excel on my phone. After about
>>> 10 minutes, I wanted to throw the phone against a wall. By contrast,
>>> SC, with its vi-like navigation, is a pleasure to use on the phone.
>>>
>>> Vim and SC are the obvious choices for effiency when you have a physical
>>> keyboard, but it's not so obvious that they are also the most efficient
>>> on a touch screen with a software keyboard.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Would be interesting to see a video of you, say, making a 10x10
>> multiplication table.
>>
>
> https://pewtube.com/user/owl/7hSpJvB?autoplay=off
Thanks!
Just finished mine and it is uploading... I compare Numbers on iOS and
macOS.
In the video I speculate you might be able to do so better... I think
you did, BUT in my video (which you clearly did not see before you made
yours) I added details to what would make such a table fit what I was
thinking. CLEARLY you did not see this before your video, though I did
not even know you were working on it (you had said I was kill filtered).
Anyway, here is my video... I *completely* screw up near the end as I
try to figure out how to resize my columns to fit the data (it really is
not that hard, but I had never used iOS Numbers other than to
occasionally view and do VERY minor edits to data before this).
<https://youtu.be/SSGza1eIO28>
It is interesting to me how you work to be very efficient, and I commend
that, and I (while still seeking to be efficient) seek to make things
more visually attractive. Many years ago when I was in a Pascal class
and we had the assignment to make a multiplication table I made one that
looked closer to yours -- so not putting you or yours down in any way.
Also: not that either of us were racing, but speed wise:
1) Numbers on macOS: About 1:50 with saving and making look "fancy"
(though I do forget to resize the first column and do that later).
2) vi and sc on Android: About 2:30, nothing fancy (but fit originally
stated criteria just fine).
3) Numbers on iOS: About 2:50 for "just" the table, but then about
another 3:38 of my futzing around formatting, much of that time just me
failing to find the "auto fit" option from my own ignorance. I am
surprised I was about the same speed as you for the basic table in
iOS... really figured you would kick my butt there. And keep in mind
this was the first time I had really used Numbers on iOS. Also will add
that there are a LOT of quirks to using Numbers on iOS on a tiny screen.
I cannot imagine doing any real work there... even if I can say THIS
task is about as quick as yours, overall this would just SUCK for
anything more complex.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-05-13 04:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <golzkbj8803.uga@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #451267 |
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > On 5/12/18 5:48 PM, owl wrote: >> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>> owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: >>>> After working with vim and sc under linux on the android, I have noticed >>>> that, as counterintuitive as it might seem, editing and spreadsheet >>>> tasks are actually much *easier* this way than they are with the usual >>>> touch-screen interface to typical android apps of those types. All that >>>> frustrating touch and hold (and usually try again several times), drag, >>>> menu choice, etc., vs simple, precise keyboard navigation and short, >>>> powerful commands for cutting, pasting, etc. Much more efficient this >>>> way. I had tried a while back to use Excel on my phone. After about >>>> 10 minutes, I wanted to throw the phone against a wall. By contrast, >>>> SC, with its vi-like navigation, is a pleasure to use on the phone. >>>> >>>> Vim and SC are the obvious choices for effiency when you have a physical >>>> keyboard, but it's not so obvious that they are also the most efficient >>>> on a touch screen with a software keyboard. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Would be interesting to see a video of you, say, making a 10x10 >>> multiplication table. >>> >> >> https://pewtube.com/user/owl/7hSpJvB?autoplay=off > > Thanks! > > Just finished mine and it is uploading... I compare Numbers on iOS and > macOS. > > In the video I speculate you might be able to do so better... I think > you did, BUT in my video (which you clearly did not see before you made > yours) I added details to what would make such a table fit what I was > thinking. CLEARLY you did not see this before your video, though I did > not even know you were working on it (you had said I was kill filtered). > > Anyway, here is my video... I *completely* screw up near the end as I > try to figure out how to resize my columns to fit the data (it really is > not that hard, but I had never used iOS Numbers other than to > occasionally view and do VERY minor edits to data before this). > > <https://youtu.be/SSGza1eIO28> > > It is interesting to me how you work to be very efficient, and I commend > that, and I (while still seeking to be efficient) seek to make things > more visually attractive. Many years ago when I was in a Pascal class > and we had the assignment to make a multiplication table I made one that > looked closer to yours -- so not putting you or yours down in any way. > > Also: not that either of us were racing, but speed wise: > > 1) Numbers on macOS: About 1:50 with saving and making look "fancy" > (though I do forget to resize the first column and do that later). > > 2) vi and sc on Android: About 2:30, nothing fancy (but fit originally > stated criteria just fine). > > 3) Numbers on iOS: About 2:50 for "just" the table, but then about > another 3:38 of my futzing around formatting, much of that time just me > failing to find the "auto fit" option from my own ignorance. I am > surprised I was about the same speed as you for the basic table in > iOS... really figured you would kick my butt there. And keep in mind > this was the first time I had really used Numbers on iOS. Also will add > that there are a LOT of quirks to using Numbers on iOS on a tiny screen. > I cannot imagine doing any real work there... even if I can say THIS > task is about as quick as yours, overall this would just SUCK for > anything more complex. > Ah... but I have a bluetooth keyboard :) https://pewtube.com/user/owl/tNb0H66?autoplay=off So now it's android + vim + sc at about 1:30 (with added label and rows and columns for 1xN and Nx1). I'll have to start keeping the bluetooth keyboard and mouse in the car. (I posted this reply earlier, but it's not showing, so it may duplicate).
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-05-12 21:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <flpu1nF4l75U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #451271 |
On 5/12/18 9:28 PM, owl wrote: > Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >> On 5/12/18 5:48 PM, owl wrote: >>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>>> owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: >>>>> After working with vim and sc under linux on the android, I have noticed >>>>> that, as counterintuitive as it might seem, editing and spreadsheet >>>>> tasks are actually much *easier* this way than they are with the usual >>>>> touch-screen interface to typical android apps of those types. All that >>>>> frustrating touch and hold (and usually try again several times), drag, >>>>> menu choice, etc., vs simple, precise keyboard navigation and short, >>>>> powerful commands for cutting, pasting, etc. Much more efficient this >>>>> way. I had tried a while back to use Excel on my phone. After about >>>>> 10 minutes, I wanted to throw the phone against a wall. By contrast, >>>>> SC, with its vi-like navigation, is a pleasure to use on the phone. >>>>> >>>>> Vim and SC are the obvious choices for effiency when you have a physical >>>>> keyboard, but it's not so obvious that they are also the most efficient >>>>> on a touch screen with a software keyboard. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Would be interesting to see a video of you, say, making a 10x10 >>>> multiplication table. >>>> >>> >>> https://pewtube.com/user/owl/7hSpJvB?autoplay=off >> >> Thanks! >> >> Just finished mine and it is uploading... I compare Numbers on iOS and >> macOS. >> >> In the video I speculate you might be able to do so better... I think >> you did, BUT in my video (which you clearly did not see before you made >> yours) I added details to what would make such a table fit what I was >> thinking. CLEARLY you did not see this before your video, though I did >> not even know you were working on it (you had said I was kill filtered). >> >> Anyway, here is my video... I *completely* screw up near the end as I >> try to figure out how to resize my columns to fit the data (it really is >> not that hard, but I had never used iOS Numbers other than to >> occasionally view and do VERY minor edits to data before this). >> >> <https://youtu.be/SSGza1eIO28> >> >> It is interesting to me how you work to be very efficient, and I commend >> that, and I (while still seeking to be efficient) seek to make things >> more visually attractive. Many years ago when I was in a Pascal class >> and we had the assignment to make a multiplication table I made one that >> looked closer to yours -- so not putting you or yours down in any way. >> >> Also: not that either of us were racing, but speed wise: >> >> 1) Numbers on macOS: About 1:50 with saving and making look "fancy" >> (though I do forget to resize the first column and do that later). >> >> 2) vi and sc on Android: About 2:30, nothing fancy (but fit originally >> stated criteria just fine). >> >> 3) Numbers on iOS: About 2:50 for "just" the table, but then about >> another 3:38 of my futzing around formatting, much of that time just me >> failing to find the "auto fit" option from my own ignorance. I am >> surprised I was about the same speed as you for the basic table in >> iOS... really figured you would kick my butt there. And keep in mind >> this was the first time I had really used Numbers on iOS. Also will add >> that there are a LOT of quirks to using Numbers on iOS on a tiny screen. >> I cannot imagine doing any real work there... even if I can say THIS >> task is about as quick as yours, overall this would just SUCK for >> anything more complex. >> > > Ah... but I have a bluetooth keyboard :) > > https://pewtube.com/user/owl/tNb0H66?autoplay=off > > So now it's android + vim + sc at about 1:30 (with added > label and rows and columns for 1xN and Nx1). :) I was just getting ready to redo mine to see, without going crazy, how fast I can go. I see you have typos so it is not like you rushed like crazy and took 10 takes... maybe I will do the same tomorrow. I am busy tonight. > I'll have to start keeping the bluetooth keyboard and mouse in the car. > > (I posted this reply earlier, but it's not showing, so it may duplicate). I do not think I can add a BlueTooth keyboard to my pod... but the bigger issue is trying to select things without whooshing into nothingness. :) -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-05-12 22:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <flq245F5eptU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #451271 |
On 5/12/18 9:28 PM, owl wrote: > Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >> On 5/12/18 5:48 PM, owl wrote: >>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>>> owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: >>>>> After working with vim and sc under linux on the android, I have noticed >>>>> that, as counterintuitive as it might seem, editing and spreadsheet >>>>> tasks are actually much *easier* this way than they are with the usual >>>>> touch-screen interface to typical android apps of those types. All that >>>>> frustrating touch and hold (and usually try again several times), drag, >>>>> menu choice, etc., vs simple, precise keyboard navigation and short, >>>>> powerful commands for cutting, pasting, etc. Much more efficient this >>>>> way. I had tried a while back to use Excel on my phone. After about >>>>> 10 minutes, I wanted to throw the phone against a wall. By contrast, >>>>> SC, with its vi-like navigation, is a pleasure to use on the phone. >>>>> >>>>> Vim and SC are the obvious choices for effiency when you have a physical >>>>> keyboard, but it's not so obvious that they are also the most efficient >>>>> on a touch screen with a software keyboard. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Would be interesting to see a video of you, say, making a 10x10 >>>> multiplication table. >>>> >>> >>> https://pewtube.com/user/owl/7hSpJvB?autoplay=off >> >> Thanks! >> >> Just finished mine and it is uploading... I compare Numbers on iOS and >> macOS. >> >> In the video I speculate you might be able to do so better... I think >> you did, BUT in my video (which you clearly did not see before you made >> yours) I added details to what would make such a table fit what I was >> thinking. CLEARLY you did not see this before your video, though I did >> not even know you were working on it (you had said I was kill filtered). >> >> Anyway, here is my video... I *completely* screw up near the end as I >> try to figure out how to resize my columns to fit the data (it really is >> not that hard, but I had never used iOS Numbers other than to >> occasionally view and do VERY minor edits to data before this). >> >> <https://youtu.be/SSGza1eIO28> >> >> It is interesting to me how you work to be very efficient, and I commend >> that, and I (while still seeking to be efficient) seek to make things >> more visually attractive. Many years ago when I was in a Pascal class >> and we had the assignment to make a multiplication table I made one that >> looked closer to yours -- so not putting you or yours down in any way. >> >> Also: not that either of us were racing, but speed wise: >> >> 1) Numbers on macOS: About 1:50 with saving and making look "fancy" >> (though I do forget to resize the first column and do that later). >> >> 2) vi and sc on Android: About 2:30, nothing fancy (but fit originally >> stated criteria just fine). >> >> 3) Numbers on iOS: About 2:50 for "just" the table, but then about >> another 3:38 of my futzing around formatting, much of that time just me >> failing to find the "auto fit" option from my own ignorance. I am >> surprised I was about the same speed as you for the basic table in >> iOS... really figured you would kick my butt there. And keep in mind >> this was the first time I had really used Numbers on iOS. Also will add >> that there are a LOT of quirks to using Numbers on iOS on a tiny screen. >> I cannot imagine doing any real work there... even if I can say THIS >> task is about as quick as yours, overall this would just SUCK for >> anything more complex. >> > > Ah... but I have a bluetooth keyboard :) > > https://pewtube.com/user/owl/tNb0H66?autoplay=off > > So now it's android + vim + sc at about 1:30 (with added > label and rows and columns for 1xN and Nx1). > > I'll have to start keeping the bluetooth keyboard and mouse in the car. > > (I posted this reply earlier, but it's not showing, so it may duplicate). OK, took the time tonight... one and done. No Bluetooth keyboard (but I was wrong to say they do not support them... they do: <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202041>). Without my "extra" formatting: 1:00 Naming, resizing, shading every other row: 0:37 Total would be: 1:37 (I talk a bit between them) Not bad... and faster and easier than I expected... and that was with continuing to make a couple of mistakes. <https://youtu.be/ymUT2wB4FHQ> Again, though, while we may be working on the same task the tools we are using are so different that there really is no reasonable comparison. Both are spreadsheets (well, vi is not but you are creating data for sc) but of completely different types and with very different benefits and weaknesses. Fun to see the comparison though. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-05-13 16:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <asb90803.ahuoy5@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #451276 |
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > On 5/12/18 9:28 PM, owl wrote: >> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>> On 5/12/18 5:48 PM, owl wrote: >>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>>>> owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> After working with vim and sc under linux on the android, I have noticed >>>>>> that, as counterintuitive as it might seem, editing and spreadsheet >>>>>> tasks are actually much *easier* this way than they are with the usual >>>>>> touch-screen interface to typical android apps of those types. All that >>>>>> frustrating touch and hold (and usually try again several times), drag, >>>>>> menu choice, etc., vs simple, precise keyboard navigation and short, >>>>>> powerful commands for cutting, pasting, etc. Much more efficient this >>>>>> way. I had tried a while back to use Excel on my phone. After about >>>>>> 10 minutes, I wanted to throw the phone against a wall. By contrast, >>>>>> SC, with its vi-like navigation, is a pleasure to use on the phone. >>>>>> >>>>>> Vim and SC are the obvious choices for effiency when you have a physical >>>>>> keyboard, but it's not so obvious that they are also the most efficient >>>>>> on a touch screen with a software keyboard. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Would be interesting to see a video of you, say, making a 10x10 >>>>> multiplication table. >>>>> >>>> >>>> https://pewtube.com/user/owl/7hSpJvB?autoplay=off >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Just finished mine and it is uploading... I compare Numbers on iOS and >>> macOS. >>> >>> In the video I speculate you might be able to do so better... I think >>> you did, BUT in my video (which you clearly did not see before you made >>> yours) I added details to what would make such a table fit what I was >>> thinking. CLEARLY you did not see this before your video, though I did >>> not even know you were working on it (you had said I was kill filtered). >>> >>> Anyway, here is my video... I *completely* screw up near the end as I >>> try to figure out how to resize my columns to fit the data (it really is >>> not that hard, but I had never used iOS Numbers other than to >>> occasionally view and do VERY minor edits to data before this). >>> >>> <https://youtu.be/SSGza1eIO28> >>> >>> It is interesting to me how you work to be very efficient, and I commend >>> that, and I (while still seeking to be efficient) seek to make things >>> more visually attractive. Many years ago when I was in a Pascal class >>> and we had the assignment to make a multiplication table I made one that >>> looked closer to yours -- so not putting you or yours down in any way. >>> >>> Also: not that either of us were racing, but speed wise: >>> >>> 1) Numbers on macOS: About 1:50 with saving and making look "fancy" >>> (though I do forget to resize the first column and do that later). >>> >>> 2) vi and sc on Android: About 2:30, nothing fancy (but fit originally >>> stated criteria just fine). >>> >>> 3) Numbers on iOS: About 2:50 for "just" the table, but then about >>> another 3:38 of my futzing around formatting, much of that time just me >>> failing to find the "auto fit" option from my own ignorance. I am >>> surprised I was about the same speed as you for the basic table in >>> iOS... really figured you would kick my butt there. And keep in mind >>> this was the first time I had really used Numbers on iOS. Also will add >>> that there are a LOT of quirks to using Numbers on iOS on a tiny screen. >>> I cannot imagine doing any real work there... even if I can say THIS >>> task is about as quick as yours, overall this would just SUCK for >>> anything more complex. >>> >> >> Ah... but I have a bluetooth keyboard :) >> >> https://pewtube.com/user/owl/tNb0H66?autoplay=off >> >> So now it's android + vim + sc at about 1:30 (with added >> label and rows and columns for 1xN and Nx1). >> >> I'll have to start keeping the bluetooth keyboard and mouse in the car. >> >> (I posted this reply earlier, but it's not showing, so it may duplicate). > > OK, took the time tonight... one and done. No Bluetooth keyboard (but I > was wrong to say they do not support them... they do: > <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202041>). > > Without my "extra" formatting: 1:00 > Naming, resizing, shading every other row: 0:37 > Total would be: 1:37 (I talk a bit between them) > > Not bad... and faster and easier than I expected... and that was with > continuing to make a couple of mistakes. > > <https://youtu.be/ymUT2wB4FHQ> > > Again, though, while we may be working on the same task the tools we are > using are so different that there really is no reasonable comparison. > Both are spreadsheets (well, vi is not but you are creating data for sc) > but of completely different types and with very different benefits and > weaknesses. > > Fun to see the comparison though. > This is similar: https://imgur.com/a/abEsU8Y ----- blah.sc ----- set color format a:k 4 0 0 leftstring e0="Multiplication Table" fill b1:k1 1 1 fill a2:a11 1 1 let b2=b$1*$a2 copy c2:k2 b2:b2 copy b3:b11 b2:k2 color a0:k11 4 merge "|./alt b 2 k 11" ------------------- Creation speed would be however fast I could type that. The "alt" script that is called with "merge" sets alternating line colors for a range, similar to your light and dark shading. It is available to any sc spreadsheet, so I don't count the code for "alt" as code that needs to be typed for this particular sheet.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-05-13 10:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <flra2dFe712U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #451280 |
On 5/13/18 9:58 AM, owl wrote: > Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >> On 5/12/18 9:28 PM, owl wrote: >>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>>> On 5/12/18 5:48 PM, owl wrote: >>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>>>>> owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>> After working with vim and sc under linux on the android, I have noticed >>>>>>> that, as counterintuitive as it might seem, editing and spreadsheet >>>>>>> tasks are actually much *easier* this way than they are with the usual >>>>>>> touch-screen interface to typical android apps of those types. All that >>>>>>> frustrating touch and hold (and usually try again several times), drag, >>>>>>> menu choice, etc., vs simple, precise keyboard navigation and short, >>>>>>> powerful commands for cutting, pasting, etc. Much more efficient this >>>>>>> way. I had tried a while back to use Excel on my phone. After about >>>>>>> 10 minutes, I wanted to throw the phone against a wall. By contrast, >>>>>>> SC, with its vi-like navigation, is a pleasure to use on the phone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Vim and SC are the obvious choices for effiency when you have a physical >>>>>>> keyboard, but it's not so obvious that they are also the most efficient >>>>>>> on a touch screen with a software keyboard. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Would be interesting to see a video of you, say, making a 10x10 >>>>>> multiplication table. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://pewtube.com/user/owl/7hSpJvB?autoplay=off >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Just finished mine and it is uploading... I compare Numbers on iOS and >>>> macOS. >>>> >>>> In the video I speculate you might be able to do so better... I think >>>> you did, BUT in my video (which you clearly did not see before you made >>>> yours) I added details to what would make such a table fit what I was >>>> thinking. CLEARLY you did not see this before your video, though I did >>>> not even know you were working on it (you had said I was kill filtered). >>>> >>>> Anyway, here is my video... I *completely* screw up near the end as I >>>> try to figure out how to resize my columns to fit the data (it really is >>>> not that hard, but I had never used iOS Numbers other than to >>>> occasionally view and do VERY minor edits to data before this). >>>> >>>> <https://youtu.be/SSGza1eIO28> >>>> >>>> It is interesting to me how you work to be very efficient, and I commend >>>> that, and I (while still seeking to be efficient) seek to make things >>>> more visually attractive. Many years ago when I was in a Pascal class >>>> and we had the assignment to make a multiplication table I made one that >>>> looked closer to yours -- so not putting you or yours down in any way. >>>> >>>> Also: not that either of us were racing, but speed wise: >>>> >>>> 1) Numbers on macOS: About 1:50 with saving and making look "fancy" >>>> (though I do forget to resize the first column and do that later). >>>> >>>> 2) vi and sc on Android: About 2:30, nothing fancy (but fit originally >>>> stated criteria just fine). >>>> >>>> 3) Numbers on iOS: About 2:50 for "just" the table, but then about >>>> another 3:38 of my futzing around formatting, much of that time just me >>>> failing to find the "auto fit" option from my own ignorance. I am >>>> surprised I was about the same speed as you for the basic table in >>>> iOS... really figured you would kick my butt there. And keep in mind >>>> this was the first time I had really used Numbers on iOS. Also will add >>>> that there are a LOT of quirks to using Numbers on iOS on a tiny screen. >>>> I cannot imagine doing any real work there... even if I can say THIS >>>> task is about as quick as yours, overall this would just SUCK for >>>> anything more complex. >>>> >>> >>> Ah... but I have a bluetooth keyboard :) >>> >>> https://pewtube.com/user/owl/tNb0H66?autoplay=off >>> >>> So now it's android + vim + sc at about 1:30 (with added >>> label and rows and columns for 1xN and Nx1). >>> >>> I'll have to start keeping the bluetooth keyboard and mouse in the car. >>> >>> (I posted this reply earlier, but it's not showing, so it may duplicate). >> >> OK, took the time tonight... one and done. No Bluetooth keyboard (but I >> was wrong to say they do not support them... they do: >> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202041>). >> >> Without my "extra" formatting: 1:00 >> Naming, resizing, shading every other row: 0:37 >> Total would be: 1:37 (I talk a bit between them) >> >> Not bad... and faster and easier than I expected... and that was with >> continuing to make a couple of mistakes. >> >> <https://youtu.be/ymUT2wB4FHQ> >> >> Again, though, while we may be working on the same task the tools we are >> using are so different that there really is no reasonable comparison. >> Both are spreadsheets (well, vi is not but you are creating data for sc) >> but of completely different types and with very different benefits and >> weaknesses. >> >> Fun to see the comparison though. >> > > This is similar: > > https://imgur.com/a/abEsU8Y I would argue not quite as pretty, but really that is largely a matter of color choice and the like... if you wanted you could use any colors you wanted. Even fonts... > ----- blah.sc ----- > set color > format a:k 4 0 0 > leftstring e0="Multiplication Table" > fill b1:k1 1 1 > fill a2:a11 1 1 > let b2=b$1*$a2 > copy c2:k2 b2:b2 > copy b3:b11 b2:k2 > color a0:k11 4 > merge "|./alt b 2 k 11" > ------------------- > > Creation speed would be however fast I could type that. The "alt" > script that is called with "merge" sets alternating line colors for a > range, similar to your light and dark shading. It is available to any > sc spreadsheet, so I don't count the code for "alt" as code that needs > to be typed for this particular sheet. Is "alt" something you wrote? As far as speed, even though I could claim a "win" based on times alone (from the videos), as I said the tools and techniques we are using as so different that such a comparison is really pretty silly. I am NOT in any way trying to suggest that overall Numbers on iOS is a fast and efficient tool, esp. on a 4 inch screen! It is clearly a graphical tool and there are some pretty obvious limitations to that (like how when I select things I end up losing the table outside the screen area). I will say once I played with Numbers a bit on my iPod I found I could do this a LOT faster than I thought I would be able to. Still some quirks about selecting ranges which I do not get (could even be fat fingering from the small screen with tiny targets). -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-05-13 18:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <zb9008tat.huo4@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #451281 |
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 5/13/18 9:58 AM, owl wrote:
>> Creation speed would be however fast I could type that. The "alt"
>> script that is called with "merge" sets alternating line colors for a
>> range, similar to your light and dark shading. It is available to any
>> sc spreadsheet, so I don't count the code for "alt" as code that needs
>> to be typed for this particular sheet.
>
> Is "alt" something you wrote?
>
Yes. This is a modified version that allows you to specify
the alternating colors:
#!/bin/bash
for i in $(seq ${2} ${4}); do
if [ $((i%2)) -eq 0 ];then
echo "color ${1}${i}:${3}${i} ${5}"
else
echo "color ${1}${i}:${3}${i} ${6}"
fi
done
So in this sheet it would be called like this:
merge "|./alt2 b 2 k 11 7 5"
It could also be called manually from within any sheet, or
tied to a hotkey toggle. Such a script could have added
parsing complexity that allowed calling it a simpler fashion,
such as:
./alt b2 k11 7 5
or
./alt b2:k11 red:black black:green
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-05-13 11:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <flredvFf5i8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #451283 |
On 5/13/18 11:22 AM, owl wrote:
> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 5/13/18 9:58 AM, owl wrote:
>
>>> Creation speed would be however fast I could type that. The "alt"
>>> script that is called with "merge" sets alternating line colors for a
>>> range, similar to your light and dark shading. It is available to any
>>> sc spreadsheet, so I don't count the code for "alt" as code that needs
>>> to be typed for this particular sheet.
>>
>> Is "alt" something you wrote?
>>
>
> Yes. This is a modified version that allows you to specify
> the alternating colors:
>
> #!/bin/bash
> for i in $(seq ${2} ${4}); do
> if [ $((i%2)) -eq 0 ];then
> echo "color ${1}${i}:${3}${i} ${5}"
> else
> echo "color ${1}${i}:${3}${i} ${6}"
> fi
> done
>
> So in this sheet it would be called like this:
>
> merge "|./alt2 b 2 k 11 7 5"
>
> It could also be called manually from within any sheet, or
> tied to a hotkey toggle. Such a script could have added
> parsing complexity that allowed calling it a simpler fashion,
> such as:
>
> ./alt b2 k11 7 5
> or
> ./alt b2:k11 red:black black:green
>
Makes sense. One of the big benefits of what you are doing is the tie to
a programming language. I *can* use AppleScript (and to some extent
JavaScript) with Numbers but it is, well, pretty crappy. :)
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-05-13 13:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <36ddc416-e279-4ebb-98d0-cc938b8b1595@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451285 |
On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 12:28:18 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
> On 5/13/18 11:22 AM, owl wrote:
> > Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >> On 5/13/18 9:58 AM, owl wrote:
> >
> >>> Creation speed would be however fast I could type that. The "alt"
> >>> script that is called with "merge" sets alternating line colors for a
> >>> range, similar to your light and dark shading. It is available to any
> >>> sc spreadsheet, so I don't count the code for "alt" as code that needs
> >>> to be typed for this particular sheet.
> >>
> >> Is "alt" something you wrote?
> >>
> >
> > Yes. This is a modified version that allows you to specify
> > the alternating colors:
> >
> > #!/bin/bash
> > for i in $(seq ${2} ${4}); do
> > if [ $((i%2)) -eq 0 ];then
> > echo "color ${1}${i}:${3}${i} ${5}"
> > else
> > echo "color ${1}${i}:${3}${i} ${6}"
> > fi
> > done
> >
> > So in this sheet it would be called like this:
> >
> > merge "|./alt2 b 2 k 11 7 5"
> >
> > It could also be called manually from within any sheet, or
> > tied to a hotkey toggle. Such a script could have added
> > parsing complexity that allowed calling it a simpler fashion,
> > such as:
> >
> > ./alt b2 k11 7 5
> > or
> > ./alt b2:k11 red:black black:green
> >
> Makes sense. One of the big benefits of what you are doing is the tie to
> a programming language. I *can* use AppleScript (and to some extent
> JavaScript) with Numbers but it is, well, pretty crappy. :)
No, you can't do anything in JS, it's *way* too difficult!
<https://streamable.com/vqzvj>
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-05-13 13:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <flrmalFgtabU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #451295 |
On 5/13/18 1:33 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 12:28:18 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
>> On 5/13/18 11:22 AM, owl wrote:
>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>> On 5/13/18 9:58 AM, owl wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Creation speed would be however fast I could type that. The "alt"
>>>>> script that is called with "merge" sets alternating line colors for a
>>>>> range, similar to your light and dark shading. It is available to any
>>>>> sc spreadsheet, so I don't count the code for "alt" as code that needs
>>>>> to be typed for this particular sheet.
>>>>
>>>> Is "alt" something you wrote?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes. This is a modified version that allows you to specify
>>> the alternating colors:
>>>
>>> #!/bin/bash
>>> for i in $(seq ${2} ${4}); do
>>> if [ $((i%2)) -eq 0 ];then
>>> echo "color ${1}${i}:${3}${i} ${5}"
>>> else
>>> echo "color ${1}${i}:${3}${i} ${6}"
>>> fi
>>> done
>>>
>>> So in this sheet it would be called like this:
>>>
>>> merge "|./alt2 b 2 k 11 7 5"
>>>
>>> It could also be called manually from within any sheet, or
>>> tied to a hotkey toggle. Such a script could have added
>>> parsing complexity that allowed calling it a simpler fashion,
>>> such as:
>>>
>>> ./alt b2 k11 7 5
>>> or
>>> ./alt b2:k11 red:black black:green
>>>
>> Makes sense. One of the big benefits of what you are doing is the tie to
>> a programming language. I *can* use AppleScript (and to some extent
>> JavaScript) with Numbers but it is, well, pretty crappy. :)
>
> No, you can't do anything in JS, it's *way* too difficult!
>
> <https://streamable.com/vqzvj>
>
I meant using it with Numbers... not JavaScript in general.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-05-13 14:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6fb07470-e4b9-4382-b1b2-ae959f42b407@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451297 |
On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 2:43:04 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
> On 5/13/18 1:33 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 12:28:18 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
> >> On 5/13/18 11:22 AM, owl wrote:
> >>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 5/13/18 9:58 AM, owl wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> Creation speed would be however fast I could type that. The "alt"
> >>>>> script that is called with "merge" sets alternating line colors for a
> >>>>> range, similar to your light and dark shading. It is available to any
> >>>>> sc spreadsheet, so I don't count the code for "alt" as code that needs
> >>>>> to be typed for this particular sheet.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is "alt" something you wrote?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Yes. This is a modified version that allows you to specify
> >>> the alternating colors:
> >>>
> >>> #!/bin/bash
> >>> for i in $(seq ${2} ${4}); do
> >>> if [ $((i%2)) -eq 0 ];then
> >>> echo "color ${1}${i}:${3}${i} ${5}"
> >>> else
> >>> echo "color ${1}${i}:${3}${i} ${6}"
> >>> fi
> >>> done
> >>>
> >>> So in this sheet it would be called like this:
> >>>
> >>> merge "|./alt2 b 2 k 11 7 5"
> >>>
> >>> It could also be called manually from within any sheet, or
> >>> tied to a hotkey toggle. Such a script could have added
> >>> parsing complexity that allowed calling it a simpler fashion,
> >>> such as:
> >>>
> >>> ./alt b2 k11 7 5
> >>> or
> >>> ./alt b2:k11 red:black black:green
> >>>
> >> Makes sense. One of the big benefits of what you are doing is the tie to
> >> a programming language. I *can* use AppleScript (and to some extent
> >> JavaScript) with Numbers but it is, well, pretty crappy. :)
> >
> > No, you can't do anything in JS, it's *way* too difficult!
> >
> > <https://streamable.com/vqzvj>
> >
> I meant using it with Numbers... not JavaScript in general.
One of the "big benefits" of what he's doing is he's not locked
into what you're locked into. Using Python, JS or whatever... he
can expand the usefulness in a way you can't with just AS. Apple's
answer to this was to open things up with JS.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-05-13 16:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fls17aFj4jaU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #451304 |
On 5/13/18 2:16 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 2:43:04 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
>> On 5/13/18 1:33 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 12:28:18 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
>>>> On 5/13/18 11:22 AM, owl wrote:
>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/13/18 9:58 AM, owl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Creation speed would be however fast I could type that. The "alt"
>>>>>>> script that is called with "merge" sets alternating line colors for a
>>>>>>> range, similar to your light and dark shading. It is available to any
>>>>>>> sc spreadsheet, so I don't count the code for "alt" as code that needs
>>>>>>> to be typed for this particular sheet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is "alt" something you wrote?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. This is a modified version that allows you to specify
>>>>> the alternating colors:
>>>>>
>>>>> #!/bin/bash
>>>>> for i in $(seq ${2} ${4}); do
>>>>> if [ $((i%2)) -eq 0 ];then
>>>>> echo "color ${1}${i}:${3}${i} ${5}"
>>>>> else
>>>>> echo "color ${1}${i}:${3}${i} ${6}"
>>>>> fi
>>>>> done
>>>>>
>>>>> So in this sheet it would be called like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> merge "|./alt2 b 2 k 11 7 5"
>>>>>
>>>>> It could also be called manually from within any sheet, or
>>>>> tied to a hotkey toggle. Such a script could have added
>>>>> parsing complexity that allowed calling it a simpler fashion,
>>>>> such as:
>>>>>
>>>>> ./alt b2 k11 7 5
>>>>> or
>>>>> ./alt b2:k11 red:black black:green
>>>>>
>>>> Makes sense. One of the big benefits of what you are doing is the tie to
>>>> a programming language. I *can* use AppleScript (and to some extent
>>>> JavaScript) with Numbers but it is, well, pretty crappy. :)
>>>
>>> No, you can't do anything in JS, it's *way* too difficult!
>>>
>>> <https://streamable.com/vqzvj>
>>>
>> I meant using it with Numbers... not JavaScript in general.
>
> One of the "big benefits" of what he's doing is he's not locked
> into what you're locked into.
He or I can use other tools if we want. Neither of us is locked in.
> Using Python, JS or whatever... he
> can expand the usefulness in a way you can't with just AS. Apple's
> answer to this was to open things up with JS.
For their scripting, yes, though unless things have changed there are
still things AppleScript can do that JavaScript cannot.
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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-05-13 17:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a9876e8c-a0db-425d-8b54-898e26177042@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451312 |
On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 5:49:02 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
> On 5/13/18 2:16 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 2:43:04 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
> >> On 5/13/18 1:33 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 12:28:18 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
> >>>> On 5/13/18 11:22 AM, owl wrote:
> >>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 5/13/18 9:58 AM, owl wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Creation speed would be however fast I could type that. The "alt"
> >>>>>>> script that is called with "merge" sets alternating line colors for a
> >>>>>>> range, similar to your light and dark shading. It is available to any
> >>>>>>> sc spreadsheet, so I don't count the code for "alt" as code that needs
> >>>>>>> to be typed for this particular sheet.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Is "alt" something you wrote?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes. This is a modified version that allows you to specify
> >>>>> the alternating colors:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> #!/bin/bash
> >>>>> for i in $(seq ${2} ${4}); do
> >>>>> if [ $((i%2)) -eq 0 ];then
> >>>>> echo "color ${1}${i}:${3}${i} ${5}"
> >>>>> else
> >>>>> echo "color ${1}${i}:${3}${i} ${6}"
> >>>>> fi
> >>>>> done
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So in this sheet it would be called like this:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> merge "|./alt2 b 2 k 11 7 5"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It could also be called manually from within any sheet, or
> >>>>> tied to a hotkey toggle. Such a script could have added
> >>>>> parsing complexity that allowed calling it a simpler fashion,
> >>>>> such as:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ./alt b2 k11 7 5
> >>>>> or
> >>>>> ./alt b2:k11 red:black black:green
> >>>>>
> >>>> Makes sense. One of the big benefits of what you are doing is the tie to
> >>>> a programming language. I *can* use AppleScript (and to some extent
> >>>> JavaScript) with Numbers but it is, well, pretty crappy. :)
> >>>
> >>> No, you can't do anything in JS, it's *way* too difficult!
> >>>
> >>> <https://streamable.com/vqzvj>
> >>>
> >> I meant using it with Numbers... not JavaScript in general.
> >
> > One of the "big benefits" of what he's doing is he's not locked
> > into what you're locked into.
>
> He or I can use other tools if we want. Neither of us is locked in.
That depends on the task. For creating multiplication tables AS is fine,
for doing what I was talking about earlier (and below), not so much.
> > Using Python, JS or whatever... he
> > can expand the usefulness in a way you can't with just AS. Apple's
> > answer to this was to open things up with JS.
>
> For their scripting, yes, though unless things have changed there are
> still things AppleScript can do that JavaScript cannot.
Earlier, I was talking about using GoogleSheets as a means of
performing CRUD operations without a database so a client who
only knew how to update a GoogleSheet could use it for data on
their website. I previously showed how you can write to a sheet
(and it was a lot faster than I though it would be); this one reads
and filters out records that are not females who are 25 and older
with certain education levels.
<https://streamable.com/tj6sl>
Forget the filtering, how would you grab any kind of GoogleSheet
data with AS? I'm sure it can be done... but how would you do it in
a way that was conducive to putting it into a table on a client's site?
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-05-13 18:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f2ae3cd7-acef-4530-8c62-7a742bb0e892@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451315 |
On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 5:59:59 PM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 5:49:02 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
> > On 5/13/18 2:16 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 2:43:04 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
> > >> On 5/13/18 1:33 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > >>> On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 12:28:18 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
> > >>>> On 5/13/18 11:22 AM, owl wrote:
> > >>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 5/13/18 9:58 AM, owl wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Creation speed would be however fast I could type that. The "alt"
> > >>>>>>> script that is called with "merge" sets alternating line colors for a
> > >>>>>>> range, similar to your light and dark shading. It is available to any
> > >>>>>>> sc spreadsheet, so I don't count the code for "alt" as code that needs
> > >>>>>>> to be typed for this particular sheet.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Is "alt" something you wrote?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Yes. This is a modified version that allows you to specify
> > >>>>> the alternating colors:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> #!/bin/bash
> > >>>>> for i in $(seq ${2} ${4}); do
> > >>>>> if [ $((i%2)) -eq 0 ];then
> > >>>>> echo "color ${1}${i}:${3}${i} ${5}"
> > >>>>> else
> > >>>>> echo "color ${1}${i}:${3}${i} ${6}"
> > >>>>> fi
> > >>>>> done
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> So in this sheet it would be called like this:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> merge "|./alt2 b 2 k 11 7 5"
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It could also be called manually from within any sheet, or
> > >>>>> tied to a hotkey toggle. Such a script could have added
> > >>>>> parsing complexity that allowed calling it a simpler fashion,
> > >>>>> such as:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ./alt b2 k11 7 5
> > >>>>> or
> > >>>>> ./alt b2:k11 red:black black:green
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> Makes sense. One of the big benefits of what you are doing is the tie to
> > >>>> a programming language. I *can* use AppleScript (and to some extent
> > >>>> JavaScript) with Numbers but it is, well, pretty crappy. :)
> > >>>
> > >>> No, you can't do anything in JS, it's *way* too difficult!
> > >>>
> > >>> <https://streamable.com/vqzvj>
> > >>>
> > >> I meant using it with Numbers... not JavaScript in general.
> > >
> > > One of the "big benefits" of what he's doing is he's not locked
> > > into what you're locked into.
> >
> > He or I can use other tools if we want. Neither of us is locked in.
>
> That depends on the task. For creating multiplication tables AS is fine,
> for doing what I was talking about earlier (and below), not so much.
>
> > > Using Python, JS or whatever... he
> > > can expand the usefulness in a way you can't with just AS. Apple's
> > > answer to this was to open things up with JS.
> >
> > For their scripting, yes, though unless things have changed there are
> > still things AppleScript can do that JavaScript cannot.
>
> Earlier, I was talking about using GoogleSheets as a means of
> performing CRUD operations without a database so a client who
> only knew how to update a GoogleSheet could use it for data on
> their website. I previously showed how you can write to a sheet
> (and it was a lot faster than I though it would be); this one reads
> and filters out records that are not females who are 25 and older
> with certain education levels.
>
> <https://streamable.com/tj6sl>
>
> Forget the filtering, how would you grab any kind of GoogleSheet
> data with AS? I'm sure it can be done... but how would you do it in
> a way that was conducive to putting it into a table on a client's site?
Where did you learn to program?
Generally, I wouldn't call something like vallor's comments a delusion right up until you disprove it and he responds with the nothing but repetition because even he knows the details are wrong.
The guy is as loved as pork pie in a mosque -- and with good cause. vallor's behavior is totally false. There can be zero question that as soon as any recent 'plonkee' does one thing to frighten the feeble milksop's feelings that they will be reblocked.
--
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-05-13 19:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <flsbqpFl5nqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #451315 |
On 5/13/18 5:59 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: ... >>>>>> Makes sense. One of the big benefits of what you are doing is the tie to >>>>>> a programming language. I *can* use AppleScript (and to some extent >>>>>> JavaScript) with Numbers but it is, well, pretty crappy. :) >>>>> >>>>> No, you can't do anything in JS, it's *way* too difficult! >>>>> >>>>> <https://streamable.com/vqzvj> >>>>> >>>> I meant using it with Numbers... not JavaScript in general. >>> >>> One of the "big benefits" of what he's doing is he's not locked >>> into what you're locked into. >> >> He or I can use other tools if we want. Neither of us is locked in. > > That depends on the task. For creating multiplication tables AS is fine, > for doing what I was talking about earlier (and below), not so much. What I am noting is I am not even "locked in" to Numbers. I also use Excel and could use sc if I wanted. Years ago I *did* use sc (or something like it... I think called vc or something like that) on UNIX and also used the spreadsheet on AppleWorks. Now I use mostly Numbers and sometimes Excel. >>> Using Python, JS or whatever... he >>> can expand the usefulness in a way you can't with just AS. Apple's >>> answer to this was to open things up with JS. >> >> For their scripting, yes, though unless things have changed there are >> still things AppleScript can do that JavaScript cannot. > > Earlier, I was talking about using GoogleSheets as a means of > performing CRUD operations without a database so a client who > only knew how to update a GoogleSheet could use it for data on > their website. I previously showed how you can write to a sheet > (and it was a lot faster than I though it would be); this one reads > and filters out records that are not females who are 25 and older > with certain education levels. > > <https://streamable.com/tj6sl> > > Forget the filtering, how would you grab any kind of GoogleSheet > data with AS? I'm sure it can be done... but how would you do it in > a way that was conducive to putting it into a table on a client's site? Don't know. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-05-13 20:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2279f7e6-693d-4d66-a8ab-9bcb52de84c1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451318 |
On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 8:50:04 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote: > On 5/13/18 5:59 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: > ... > > >>>>>> Makes sense. One of the big benefits of what you are doing is the tie to > >>>>>> a programming language. I *can* use AppleScript (and to some extent > >>>>>> JavaScript) with Numbers but it is, well, pretty crappy. :) > >>>>> > >>>>> No, you can't do anything in JS, it's *way* too difficult! > >>>>> > >>>>> <https://streamable.com/vqzvj> > >>>>> > >>>> I meant using it with Numbers... not JavaScript in general. > >>> > >>> One of the "big benefits" of what he's doing is he's not locked > >>> into what you're locked into. > >> > >> He or I can use other tools if we want. Neither of us is locked in. > > > > That depends on the task. For creating multiplication tables AS is fine, > > for doing what I was talking about earlier (and below), not so much. > > What I am noting is I am not even "locked in" to Numbers. I also use > Excel and could use sc if I wanted. Years ago I *did* use sc (or > something like it... I think called vc or something like that) on UNIX > and also used the spreadsheet on AppleWorks. Now I use mostly Numbers > and sometimes Excel. I'm talking about 'using' spreadsheets with external programmatic influences, the context that you brought up when you wrote "the tie to a programming language" (this is the context that' I've addressed for the past couple of posts). Unless you've learned languages that enable you to do that, you won't be able to do it so 'locked out' is probably a better term. Why is AppleScript "pretty crappy" for working with Numbers? > >>> Using Python, JS or whatever... he > >>> can expand the usefulness in a way you can't with just AS. Apple's > >>> answer to this was to open things up with JS. > >> > >> For their scripting, yes, though unless things have changed there are > >> still things AppleScript can do that JavaScript cannot. > > > > Earlier, I was talking about using GoogleSheets as a means of > > performing CRUD operations without a database so a client who > > only knew how to update a GoogleSheet could use it for data on > > their website. I previously showed how you can write to a sheet > > (and it was a lot faster than I though it would be); this one reads > > and filters out records that are not females who are 25 and older > > with certain education levels. > > > > <https://streamable.com/tj6sl> > > > > Forget the filtering, how would you grab any kind of GoogleSheet > > data with AS? I'm sure it can be done... but how would you do it in > > a way that was conducive to putting it into a table on a client's site? > > Don't know. I don't, either... but it'd be interesting to see someone who knows AppleScript well interact with it. Have you ever done any scripting in AS that incorporates any of the Google APIs?
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-05-13 21:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <flsiqkFmfpbU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #451320 |
On 5/13/18 8:40 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: > On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 8:50:04 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote: >> On 5/13/18 5:59 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: >> ... >> >>>>>>>> Makes sense. One of the big benefits of what you are doing is the tie to >>>>>>>> a programming language. I *can* use AppleScript (and to some extent >>>>>>>> JavaScript) with Numbers but it is, well, pretty crappy. :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, you can't do anything in JS, it's *way* too difficult! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://streamable.com/vqzvj> >>>>>>> >>>>>> I meant using it with Numbers... not JavaScript in general. >>>>> >>>>> One of the "big benefits" of what he's doing is he's not locked >>>>> into what you're locked into. >>>> >>>> He or I can use other tools if we want. Neither of us is locked in. >>> >>> That depends on the task. For creating multiplication tables AS is fine, >>> for doing what I was talking about earlier (and below), not so much. >> >> What I am noting is I am not even "locked in" to Numbers. I also use >> Excel and could use sc if I wanted. Years ago I *did* use sc (or >> something like it... I think called vc or something like that) on UNIX >> and also used the spreadsheet on AppleWorks. Now I use mostly Numbers >> and sometimes Excel. > > I'm talking about 'using' spreadsheets with external programmatic > influences, the context that you brought up when you wrote "the tie > to a programming language" (this is the context that' I've addressed > for the past couple of posts). Unless you've learned languages that > enable you to do that, you won't be able to do it so 'locked out' is > probably a better term. Why is AppleScript "pretty crappy" for > working with Numbers? It is slow and clunky, at best. Does not help that the person scripting it (me) is pretty clueless about it... but even when I have read about others who know it much better that is the general consensus. >>>>> Using Python, JS or whatever... he >>>>> can expand the usefulness in a way you can't with just AS. Apple's >>>>> answer to this was to open things up with JS. >>>> >>>> For their scripting, yes, though unless things have changed there are >>>> still things AppleScript can do that JavaScript cannot. >>> >>> Earlier, I was talking about using GoogleSheets as a means of >>> performing CRUD operations without a database so a client who >>> only knew how to update a GoogleSheet could use it for data on >>> their website. I previously showed how you can write to a sheet >>> (and it was a lot faster than I though it would be); this one reads >>> and filters out records that are not females who are 25 and older >>> with certain education levels. >>> >>> <https://streamable.com/tj6sl> >>> >>> Forget the filtering, how would you grab any kind of GoogleSheet >>> data with AS? I'm sure it can be done... but how would you do it in >>> a way that was conducive to putting it into a table on a client's site? >> >> Don't know. > > I don't, either... but it'd be interesting to see someone who knows > AppleScript well interact with it. Have you ever done any scripting > in AS that incorporates any of the Google APIs? Nope. If Sandman was around he would be able to speak of that MUCH better than I can -- don't know if he has done that specifically, but he knows AppleScript FAR better than I do, and knows programming in general... was going to say far better than I do, but that would imply I am a programmer at all. :) -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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