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  Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> - 2016-09-14 23:07 +0000
    Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-09-15 00:44 +0000
      Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> - 2016-09-15 14:53 +0000
        Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-09-15 16:19 +0000
          Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> - 2016-09-15 17:03 +0000
          Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-09-15 12:19 -0600
            Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-09-15 18:48 +0000
              Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-09-15 21:17 -0600
      Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-09-15 15:29 +0000
        Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-09-15 16:21 +0000
          Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-09-15 16:36 +0000
            Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-09-15 17:41 +0000
              Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-09-15 18:08 +0000
                Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-09-15 18:47 +0000
                  Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-09-15 19:19 +0000
                    Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-09-15 19:26 +0000
                      Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-09-15 19:56 +0000
                        Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-09-15 20:16 +0000
                          Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-15 15:28 -0500
                          Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 14:10 -0700
                          Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-09-15 21:44 +0000
                            Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-09-16 03:39 +0000
                    Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-09-15 21:21 +0000
                      Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-09-16 00:27 +0200
                      Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-09-15 23:58 +0000
    Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-09-14 20:46 -0400
      Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> - 2016-09-15 14:31 +0000
        Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-09-16 20:15 -0400
          Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> - 2016-09-17 17:25 +0000
            Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-09-17 22:00 -0400
    Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-09-15 02:01 +0000
    re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks "Drummer"<drummer@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 07:00 +0200
    Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-09-18 14:43 -0400
      Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2016-09-18 14:52 -0400
        Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-09-18 16:16 -0400
        Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-09-18 20:05 -0400
          Re: Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 17:12 -0700

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#370938 — Video Demo of GNU/Linux Superiority -- Essential Tasks

When it comes to the performance of a most fundamental task
this video demo shows that GNU/Linux is far superior to that
piece-of-junk OS knows as Microshit.

Happy viewing.

https://vid.me/Ig27

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#370967

On 2016-09-14, Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> wrote:
> When it comes to the performance of a most fundamental task
> this video demo shows that GNU/Linux is far superior to that
> piece-of-junk OS knows as Microshit.
>
> Happy viewing.
>
> https://vid.me/Ig27

Yeah, love the focus feature. And I have a real IBM 3 button mouse. Not
with a wheel. An actual 3 button mouse. 

-- 
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny

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#371120

On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 00:44:08 +0000, Marek Novotny wrote:

> 
> Yeah, love the focus feature.
>

It's more than a matter of personal preference or like vs. dislike.

The clunky Microshit UI actually IMPEDES productivity and
is thus a palpable detriment to human capability.

The GNU/Linux interface has been designed to allow humans
to be more productive and is DEFINITELY superior.

>
> And I have a real IBM 3 button mouse. Not with a wheel. An actual
> 3 button mouse.
>

I need to get one of those.  My pointing device has combination
middle wheel/third button and sometimes it is hard to "click"
on the third button without also rolling the wheel.

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#371147

On 2016-09-15, Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 00:44:08 +0000, Marek Novotny wrote:
>
>> 
>> Yeah, love the focus feature.
>>
>
> It's more than a matter of personal preference or like vs. dislike.
>
> The clunky Microshit UI actually IMPEDES productivity and
> is thus a palpable detriment to human capability.
>
> The GNU/Linux interface has been designed to allow humans
> to be more productive and is DEFINITELY superior.
>
>>
>> And I have a real IBM 3 button mouse. Not with a wheel. An actual
>> 3 button mouse.
>>
>
> I need to get one of those.  My pointing device has combination
> middle wheel/third button and sometimes it is hard to "click"
> on the third button without also rolling the wheel.

They still sell them but they are a little difficult to find. First
laser 3 button mouse I had was on the Amiga and I paid over $100 for
it. The current IBM I have is ugly as hell. I miss the old days 3 button
mice. Small, flat... Long slender buttons. Now the buttons are the shape
of the mouse and run right next to each other... No professionalism
anymore. Just crap.

-- 
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny

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#371167

On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:19:02 +0000, Marek Novotny wrote:

> I miss the old days 3 button
> mice. Small, flat... Long slender buttons. Now the buttons are the shape
> of the mouse and run right next to each other... No professionalism
> anymore. Just crap.
>

True.

These "engineers" are always trying to offer newfangled gimmicks
that add nothing to the human-computer interface but in fact
may be a detriment to it.

The basic human-computer interface, involving keyboard and pointing
device, has already reached its pinnacle.  It just cannot be improved
any further, although many vainly make the attempt.

We can liken this to the case of the the average automobile.  The
steering wheel, accelerator pedal, brake pedal, and shift lever represent
the pinnacle of the human-car interface that has been stable for over
a hundred years.  On the personal computer, the keyboard and mouse
represent the same kind of ultimate and stable interface.  No improvements
are possible and it would a waste of time to try.

There may be some exceptions, however.  Sometimes I need to rapidly
position the mouse pointer while entering data.  Since I am right
handed, my mouse is located at my right side and I find it difficult
to reach over with my left hand to use the keypad.  Using the "arrow"
keys for positioning operations while also working the mouse is also
awkward.  In these types of situations there should be some alterations
to the keyboard, perhaps a duplicate keypad/arrowpad on the left side.

Engineers/mathematicians also require a more specialized type of
keyboard where the entry of special symbols can be facilitated.  Such
a keyboard would also aid in programming.  Personally I detest having
to do a Shift-key to enter all those danged parentheses and curly brackets.

Then there is the issue with Unicode characters.  An improved keyboard
could make a big difference here as well.

With GNU/Linux, mapping a newfangled keyboard is far more powerful
than the case with Microshit.  

But overall, the keyboard/mouse interface is the ultimate in the
human interface for the PC.

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#371196

On 09/15/16 10:19, Marek Novotny wrote:
> On 2016-09-15, Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks<am@random.us>  wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 00:44:08 +0000, Marek Novotny wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, love the focus feature.
>>>
>>
>> It's more than a matter of personal preference or like vs. dislike.
>>
>> The clunky Microshit UI actually IMPEDES productivity and
>> is thus a palpable detriment to human capability.
>>
>> The GNU/Linux interface has been designed to allow humans
>> to be more productive and is DEFINITELY superior.
>>
>>>
>>> And I have a real IBM 3 button mouse. Not with a wheel. An actual
>>> 3 button mouse.
>>>
>>
>> I need to get one of those.  My pointing device has combination
>> middle wheel/third button and sometimes it is hard to "click"
>> on the third button without also rolling the wheel.
>
> They still sell them but they are a little difficult to find. First
> laser 3 button mouse I had was on the Amiga and I paid over $100 for
> it. The current IBM I have is ugly as hell. I miss the old days 3 button
> mice. Small, flat... Long slender buttons. Now the buttons are the shape
> of the mouse and run right next to each other... No professionalism
> anymore. Just crap.
>

https://www.amazon.com/HP-Optical-Button-Mouse-accessory/dp/B0002Y5LZ8

About the only one I could find that is a real three-button mouse and is 
USB to boot.

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#371208

On 2016-09-15, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
> On 09/15/16 10:19, Marek Novotny wrote:
>> On 2016-09-15, Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks<am@random.us>  wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 00:44:08 +0000, Marek Novotny wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, love the focus feature.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's more than a matter of personal preference or like vs. dislike.
>>>
>>> The clunky Microshit UI actually IMPEDES productivity and
>>> is thus a palpable detriment to human capability.
>>>
>>> The GNU/Linux interface has been designed to allow humans
>>> to be more productive and is DEFINITELY superior.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> And I have a real IBM 3 button mouse. Not with a wheel. An actual
>>>> 3 button mouse.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I need to get one of those.  My pointing device has combination
>>> middle wheel/third button and sometimes it is hard to "click"
>>> on the third button without also rolling the wheel.
>>
>> They still sell them but they are a little difficult to find. First
>> laser 3 button mouse I had was on the Amiga and I paid over $100 for
>> it. The current IBM I have is ugly as hell. I miss the old days 3 button
>> mice. Small, flat... Long slender buttons. Now the buttons are the shape
>> of the mouse and run right next to each other... No professionalism
>> anymore. Just crap.
>>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/HP-Optical-Button-Mouse-accessory/dp/B0002Y5LZ8
>
> About the only one I could find that is a real three-button mouse and is 
> USB to boot.

That pretty much looks identical to my IBM mouse. 

-- 
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny

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#371301

On 09/15/16 12:48, Marek Novotny wrote:
> On 2016-09-15, GreyCloud<mist@cumulus.com>  wrote:
>> On 09/15/16 10:19, Marek Novotny wrote:
>>> On 2016-09-15, Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks<am@random.us>   wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 00:44:08 +0000, Marek Novotny wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, love the focus feature.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's more than a matter of personal preference or like vs. dislike.
>>>>
>>>> The clunky Microshit UI actually IMPEDES productivity and
>>>> is thus a palpable detriment to human capability.
>>>>
>>>> The GNU/Linux interface has been designed to allow humans
>>>> to be more productive and is DEFINITELY superior.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And I have a real IBM 3 button mouse. Not with a wheel. An actual
>>>>> 3 button mouse.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I need to get one of those.  My pointing device has combination
>>>> middle wheel/third button and sometimes it is hard to "click"
>>>> on the third button without also rolling the wheel.
>>>
>>> They still sell them but they are a little difficult to find. First
>>> laser 3 button mouse I had was on the Amiga and I paid over $100 for
>>> it. The current IBM I have is ugly as hell. I miss the old days 3 button
>>> mice. Small, flat... Long slender buttons. Now the buttons are the shape
>>> of the mouse and run right next to each other... No professionalism
>>> anymore. Just crap.
>>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/HP-Optical-Button-Mouse-accessory/dp/B0002Y5LZ8
>>
>> About the only one I could find that is a real three-button mouse and is
>> USB to boot.
>
> That pretty much looks identical to my IBM mouse.
>

I still have an old Logitech three-button mouse, but it uses the old IBM 
pin out, and not USB, nor laser.

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#371126

Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
> On 2016-09-14, Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> wrote:
>> When it comes to the performance of a most fundamental task
>> this video demo shows that GNU/Linux is far superior to that
>> piece-of-junk OS knows as Microshit.
>>
>> Happy viewing.
>>
>> https://vid.me/Ig27
> 
> Yeah, love the focus feature. And I have a real IBM 3 button mouse. Not
> with a wheel. An actual 3 button mouse. 
> 

I've got a couple old 3-button mice without the wheel.

This thing is 99 bucks, but it has a dedicated middle button + the wheel:
http://www.3dconnexion.com/products/cadmouse.html

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#371150

On 2016-09-15, Octavian W. Lagrange <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
> Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
>> On 2016-09-14, Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> wrote:
>>> When it comes to the performance of a most fundamental task
>>> this video demo shows that GNU/Linux is far superior to that
>>> piece-of-junk OS knows as Microshit.
>>>
>>> Happy viewing.
>>>
>>> https://vid.me/Ig27
>> 
>> Yeah, love the focus feature. And I have a real IBM 3 button mouse. Not
>> with a wheel. An actual 3 button mouse. 
>> 
>
> I've got a couple old 3-button mice without the wheel.
>
> This thing is 99 bucks, but it has a dedicated middle button + the wheel:
> http://www.3dconnexion.com/products/cadmouse.html

I hate these. I liked what SGI had and there were others made in that
same style. These new mice drive me up a wall. 

-- 
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny

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#371158

Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
> On 2016-09-15, Octavian W. Lagrange <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
>> Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
>>> On 2016-09-14, Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> wrote:
>>>> When it comes to the performance of a most fundamental task
>>>> this video demo shows that GNU/Linux is far superior to that
>>>> piece-of-junk OS knows as Microshit.
>>>>
>>>> Happy viewing.
>>>>
>>>> https://vid.me/Ig27
>>> 
>>> Yeah, love the focus feature. And I have a real IBM 3 button mouse. Not
>>> with a wheel. An actual 3 button mouse. 
>>> 
>>
>> I've got a couple old 3-button mice without the wheel.
>>
>> This thing is 99 bucks, but it has a dedicated middle button + the wheel:
>> http://www.3dconnexion.com/products/cadmouse.html
> 
> I hate these. I liked what SGI had and there were others made in that
> same style. These new mice drive me up a wall. 
> 

Why do you hate them?  I had been thinking of getting one.

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#371173

On 2016-09-15, Octavian W. Lagrange <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
> Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
>> On 2016-09-15, Octavian W. Lagrange <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
>>> Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2016-09-14, Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> wrote:
>>>>> When it comes to the performance of a most fundamental task
>>>>> this video demo shows that GNU/Linux is far superior to that
>>>>> piece-of-junk OS knows as Microshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy viewing.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://vid.me/Ig27
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah, love the focus feature. And I have a real IBM 3 button mouse. Not
>>>> with a wheel. An actual 3 button mouse. 
>>>> 
>>>
>>> I've got a couple old 3-button mice without the wheel.
>>>
>>> This thing is 99 bucks, but it has a dedicated middle button + the wheel:
>>> http://www.3dconnexion.com/products/cadmouse.html
>> 
>> I hate these. I liked what SGI had and there were others made in that
>> same style. These new mice drive me up a wall. 
>> 
>
> Why do you hate them?  I had been thinking of getting one.

I hate this new concept of *design* where the whole mouse is one
continuous shape. In the old days, you could feel, easily where the
button was and was not. Not just the center, but left and right as well. 

-- 
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny

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#371190

Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
> On 2016-09-15, Octavian W. Lagrange <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
>> Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
>>> On 2016-09-15, Octavian W. Lagrange <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-09-14, Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> wrote:
>>>>>> When it comes to the performance of a most fundamental task
>>>>>> this video demo shows that GNU/Linux is far superior to that
>>>>>> piece-of-junk OS knows as Microshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Happy viewing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://vid.me/Ig27
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah, love the focus feature. And I have a real IBM 3 button mouse. Not
>>>>> with a wheel. An actual 3 button mouse. 
>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> I've got a couple old 3-button mice without the wheel.
>>>>
>>>> This thing is 99 bucks, but it has a dedicated middle button + the wheel:
>>>> http://www.3dconnexion.com/products/cadmouse.html
>>> 
>>> I hate these. I liked what SGI had and there were others made in that
>>> same style. These new mice drive me up a wall. 
>>> 
>>
>> Why do you hate them?  I had been thinking of getting one.
> 
> I hate this new concept of *design* where the whole mouse is one
> continuous shape. In the old days, you could feel, easily where the
> button was and was not. Not just the center, but left and right as well. 
> 

Still, I would think that the functional benefit of having the scroll
wheel separated from the middle button should outweigh any dissatisfaction
with the aesthetics.

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#371207

On 2016-09-15, Octavian W. Lagrange <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
> Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
>> I hate this new concept of *design* where the whole mouse is one
>> continuous shape. In the old days, you could feel, easily where the
>> button was and was not. Not just the center, but left and right as well. 
>
> Still, I would think that the functional benefit of having the scroll
> wheel separated from the middle button should outweigh any dissatisfaction
> with the aesthetics.

It does seem that the center is the center of the universe now. What's
the first app most people reach for these days? I'll bet it is the
browser. And you'll want that wheel, huh? I get it. Just miss the old
days when it comes to mice. 

-- 
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny

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#371209

Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
> On 2016-09-15, Octavian W. Lagrange <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
>> Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
>>> I hate this new concept of *design* where the whole mouse is one
>>> continuous shape. In the old days, you could feel, easily where the
>>> button was and was not. Not just the center, but left and right as well. 
>>
>> Still, I would think that the functional benefit of having the scroll
>> wheel separated from the middle button should outweigh any dissatisfaction
>> with the aesthetics.
> 
> It does seem that the center is the center of the universe now. What's
> the first app most people reach for these days? I'll bet it is the
> browser. And you'll want that wheel, huh? I get it. Just miss the old
> days when it comes to mice. 
> 

Of course it goes without saying that web browsing benefits greatly from
the wheel, but the wheel is also good for scrolling in terminals that
support it.  But middle-click paste is a much smoother operation without
a wheel, so the idea of separating the wheel from the middle button
seems like the best of both worlds. 

Also, blender makes heavy use of both the middle button and the scroll
wheel for separate navigation functions, and it was actually some blender
forum where I first saw mention of this mouse.

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#371210

On 2016-09-15, Octavian W. Lagrange <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
> Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:

// snip

>> It does seem that the center is the center of the universe now. What's
>> the first app most people reach for these days? I'll bet it is the
>> browser. And you'll want that wheel, huh? I get it. Just miss the old
>> days when it comes to mice. 
>
> Of course it goes without saying that web browsing benefits greatly from
> the wheel, but the wheel is also good for scrolling in terminals that
> support it.  But middle-click paste is a much smoother operation without
> a wheel, so the idea of separating the wheel from the middle button
> seems like the best of both worlds. 
>
> Also, blender makes heavy use of both the middle button and the scroll
> wheel for separate navigation functions, and it was actually some blender
> forum where I first saw mention of this mouse.

Ah well then you have a purpose in mind. How's Blender? Still
interesting? 

-- 
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny

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#371214

Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
> On 2016-09-15, Octavian W. Lagrange <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
>> Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
> 
> // snip
> 
>>> It does seem that the center is the center of the universe now. What's
>>> the first app most people reach for these days? I'll bet it is the
>>> browser. And you'll want that wheel, huh? I get it. Just miss the old
>>> days when it comes to mice. 
>>
>> Of course it goes without saying that web browsing benefits greatly from
>> the wheel, but the wheel is also good for scrolling in terminals that
>> support it.  But middle-click paste is a much smoother operation without
>> a wheel, so the idea of separating the wheel from the middle button
>> seems like the best of both worlds. 
>>
>> Also, blender makes heavy use of both the middle button and the scroll
>> wheel for separate navigation functions, and it was actually some blender
>> forum where I first saw mention of this mouse.
> 
> Ah well then you have a purpose in mind. How's Blender? Still
> interesting? 
> 

It's a fun app.  I need to alter my approach to learning it though.
I've just been dabbling with it, thinking of "how do i do x?" then
looking around for how to do x.  That sometimes is successful, but
for the most part it leaves me with huge holes in my understanding
of what's going on.  I bought a book, but finding the discipline
to go through it and all the tutorials online is a different matter.
It also doesn't help that it includes two different render engines,
each with its own set of options.

Also, i'm afraid it's going to take a render farm to do anything
really fun animation-wise.  This laptop takes 10-20 minutes to
render a single frame with anything approaching decent detail,
so I haven't even bothered try video rendering yet.  The animated
stuff I've posted so far was sort of a preview, and not actually
rendered.

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#371218

On 2016-09-15, Octavian W. Lagrange <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
> Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
>> On 2016-09-15, Octavian W. Lagrange <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
>>> Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
>> 
>> // snip
>> 
>>>> It does seem that the center is the center of the universe now. What's
>>>> the first app most people reach for these days? I'll bet it is the
>>>> browser. And you'll want that wheel, huh? I get it. Just miss the old
>>>> days when it comes to mice. 
>>>
>>> Of course it goes without saying that web browsing benefits greatly from
>>> the wheel, but the wheel is also good for scrolling in terminals that
>>> support it.  But middle-click paste is a much smoother operation without
>>> a wheel, so the idea of separating the wheel from the middle button
>>> seems like the best of both worlds. 
>>>
>>> Also, blender makes heavy use of both the middle button and the scroll
>>> wheel for separate navigation functions, and it was actually some blender
>>> forum where I first saw mention of this mouse.
>> 
>> Ah well then you have a purpose in mind. How's Blender? Still
>> interesting? 
>> 
>
> It's a fun app.  I need to alter my approach to learning it though.
> I've just been dabbling with it, thinking of "how do i do x?" then
> looking around for how to do x.  That sometimes is successful, but
> for the most part it leaves me with huge holes in my understanding
> of what's going on.  I bought a book, but finding the discipline
> to go through it and all the tutorials online is a different matter.
> It also doesn't help that it includes two different render engines,
> each with its own set of options.
>
> Also, i'm afraid it's going to take a render farm to do anything
> really fun animation-wise.  This laptop takes 10-20 minutes to
> render a single frame with anything approaching decent detail,
> so I haven't even bothered try video rendering yet.  The animated
> stuff I've posted so far was sort of a preview, and not actually
> rendered.

I used to use Maxxon Cinema 4D back in the G4/G5 era. I had to come up
with creative ways to do this. I was just screwing around with basic
shapes and started making something that looked like a Jet Engine. So I
kept at it and made a jet engine, then copied it and made a jet to go
with it. 

Anyway, I wanted to fly it but that would be a bit much on the 867 MHz
G4 at the time. I found a very nice plugin for After Effects called 
tsunami which makes the process of making fairly real water scenes
simple enough. I took a 2d picture of the San Francisco skyline such
that you're facing that. Made the water under the view. Then rendered
what looks like you heading towards the city. The water movement under
gave the perception of moving. I rendered about 30 seconds of that. Then
placed that already rendered scene back into After Effects and placed my
3D jet into the scene and simply moved it slowly giving the perception
of altitude. So the jet was only rendered once for one frame and
superimposed on a rendered scene. 

You'll have to think in those kinds of ways. How to cheat a little and
get the same result. It's fun for a while. I wanted to enter a contest
once where I was making something similar to the 20th Century Fox
spotline demo you watch before a movie starts. I had it all done in wire
frame and let a machine run for a week and it was going no where. The
contest came and went and I had almost nothing. Today I would have done
live action and superimposed the search light after. 

Again, think in those terms. Use less polygons to do the same job. Do
the minimum needed to get what you visually want. 

-- 
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny

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#371223

> "owl" wrote:
>>
>> Also, i'm afraid it's going to take a render farm to do anything
>> really fun animation-wise.  This laptop takes 10-20 minutes to
>> render a single frame with anything approaching decent detail,
>> so I haven't even bothered try video rendering yet.  The animated
>> stuff I've posted so far was sort of a preview, and not actually
>> rendered.

Reminds me of a cool ray-tracing program way back in the early (7.16
MHz 68000) Amiga days.  It produced really cool images (for the time)
but rendering an image was definitely an overnight thing.

-- 
"Not much choice... you get to pick crappy window manager behind
curtain A, or you get to pick crappy window manager behind curtain B,
etc."  -  some POS that calls itself "GreyCloud"

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#371242

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 2:34:13 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
> On 9/15/16, 1:16 PM, in article
> EPKdnfeF680QnEbKnZ2dnUU7-RXNnZ2d@giganews.com, "Marek Novotny"
> <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
> 
> >> Also, i'm afraid it's going to take a render farm to do anything
> >> really fun animation-wise.  This laptop takes 10-20 minutes to
> >> render a single frame with anything approaching decent detail,
> >> so I haven't even bothered try video rendering yet.  The animated
> >> stuff I've posted so far was sort of a preview, and not actually
> >> rendered.
> > 
> > I used to use Maxxon Cinema 4D back in the G4/G5 era. I had to come up
> > with creative ways to do this. I was just screwing around with basic
> > shapes and started making something that looked like a Jet Engine. So I
> > kept at it and made a jet engine, then copied it and made a jet to go
> > with it. 
> > 
> > Anyway, I wanted to fly it but that would be a bit much on the 867 MHz
> > G4 at the time. I found a very nice plugin for After Effects called
> > tsunami which makes the process of making fairly real water scenes
> > simple enough. 
> 
> This might help explain why, when given a task about a chart, you thought in
> terms of After Effects.

Anyone with a clue realizes it wasn't a "task about a chart", it was a 'task about animation', (one you claimed was for a ad); that the animation is a chart is incidental, crackhead.

> A shame you never did much with it... it was an
> interesting idea but you blew it with actually getting anything done.

As usual, you're obviously *way* overmedicated ;)

> The sad thing is it was a question of what LINUX could do and you had to
> leave Linux behind.

LOL! That you believe what you did for this animated ad is indicative of 'what the Mac can do' merely underscores how clueless you are about OS X (and Linux). Take a look at this video:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTGReMEkuzY>

I own Motion, while that video took ~17 minutes to impart the information, what the guy is doing there would take about 2. With 10 more minutes anyone with a clue could make your 'solution' look like what it is. In other words, if he actually exists (and we all know he doesn't) your "client" got burned... badly.

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