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  So I gave up on slrn, this is why Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-03 03:12 +0200
    Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Godzilla <godzilla@lizardboss.invalid> - 2016-10-03 01:29 +0000
      Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-03 03:37 +0200
        Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-03 02:16 +0000
      Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why dyrmak <dyrmak@quelite.terre.invalid> - 2016-10-03 08:26 +0000
    Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-10-03 03:18 +0000
      Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-03 03:39 +0000
        Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-03 04:08 +0000
      Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-10-03 05:24 +0000
      Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-03 10:15 +0200
        Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-03 10:15 -0400
        Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-03 12:25 -0600
        Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-10-03 21:29 +0000
          Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-04 00:06 +0200
            Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-10-03 22:22 +0000
              Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-04 00:25 +0200
                Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-10-03 22:37 +0000
          Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-03 16:42 -0600
            Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-10-04 00:26 +0000
              Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-03 19:28 -0600
                Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-10-04 01:51 +0000
                  Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 18:52 -0700
                  Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-04 12:39 -0600
                    Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-10-04 20:59 +0000
                      Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-04 16:39 -0600
                        Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-10-05 03:12 +0000
                          Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-10-05 19:34 +0000
                            Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-05 14:15 -0600
                            Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 16:41 -0400
                              Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-05 17:59 -0600
                                Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-10-06 01:08 +0000
      Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> - 2016-10-03 23:28 +0000
    Shut Up, Dumb Fuck! John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 02:14 -0700
    Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-03 11:41 +0000
      Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2016-10-03 08:05 -0400
        Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-03 14:15 +0200
          Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-03 12:49 +0000
        Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-10-03 13:27 +0100
        Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-03 12:48 +0000
        Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-03 12:27 -0600
          Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-03 14:55 -0400
            Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-03 13:44 -0600
              Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-03 15:55 -0400
                Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-03 16:44 -0600
      Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-03 14:12 +0200
        Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-03 12:49 +0000
          Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-03 10:17 -0400
            Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-03 14:30 +0000
              Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-03 10:33 -0400
                Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-03 12:29 -0600
                  Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-03 15:09 -0400
          Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-10-03 22:29 +0100
    Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-04 08:22 -0500
      Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-04 15:32 +0200
        Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-04 09:43 -0500
          Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-04 17:24 +0200
            Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-04 12:41 -0600
              Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-04 16:34 -0400
                Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-04 16:40 -0600
                  Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-04 19:04 -0400
                    Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-04 23:49 -0600
                      Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 08:09 -0400
                        Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-05 11:02 -0600
            Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-10-05 17:07 +0100
      Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-10-04 10:35 -0400
        Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-04 16:54 +0200
          Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-04 10:26 -0500
            Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-10-04 19:22 -0400
          Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-10-04 12:41 -0400
            Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-04 21:12 +0200
              Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-10-04 19:18 -0400
                Re: So I gave up on slrn, this is why Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-05 01:55 +0200

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#374337 — So I gave up on slrn, this is why

1. Does not correctly decodes all utf headers
2. Threads are difficult to follow as slrn does not cache articles
3. Does not re-formats articles on 80 characters boundary so looking at
google groups articles is painful
4. all in all text based experience is sub-par to graphical one

So I gave up finally , returned to trusty Claws-Mail ;)
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#374338

On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:12:35 +0200, Melzzzzz,
 published this proof of the Infinite Monkey Theorem:

> 1. Does not correctly decodes all utf headers
> 2. Threads are difficult to follow as slrn does not cache articles

esc 1 esc p will load parent articles.

> 3. Does not re-formats articles on 80 characters boundary so looking at
> google groups articles is painful

hit "w"

> 4. all in all text based experience is sub-par to graphical one

I use pan when I want to show my godzilla x-face.

>
> So I gave up finally , returned to trusty Claws-Mail ;)

That'll work too.

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#374340

On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 01:29:03 -0000 (UTC)
Godzilla <godzilla@lizardboss.invalid> wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:12:35 +0200, Melzzzzz,
>  published this proof of the Infinite Monkey Theorem:
> 
> > 1. Does not correctly decodes all utf headers
> > 2. Threads are difficult to follow as slrn does not cache articles  
> 
> esc 1 esc p will load parent articles.
I know that. It is cumbersome.

> 
> > 3. Does not re-formats articles on 80 characters boundary so
> > looking at google groups articles is painful  
> 
> hit "w"

I know that. But it does not wraps on 80 characters, rather terminal
wide..
Well, Claws also wraps on window boundary it's just easier to read on
graphical screen.



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#374352

On 2016-10-03, Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 01:29:03 -0000 (UTC)
> Godzilla <godzilla@lizardboss.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:12:35 +0200, Melzzzzz,
>>  published this proof of the Infinite Monkey Theorem:
>> 
>> > 1. Does not correctly decodes all utf headers
>> > 2. Threads are difficult to follow as slrn does not cache articles  
>> 
>> esc 1 esc p will load parent articles.
> I know that. It is cumbersome.
>
>> 
>> > 3. Does not re-formats articles on 80 characters boundary so
>> > looking at google groups articles is painful  
>> 
>> hit "w"
>
> I know that. But it does not wraps on 80 characters, rather terminal
> wide..
> Well, Claws also wraps on window boundary it's just easier to read on
> graphical screen.

It's not for everyone. Playing with the gpg is much easier on
Thunderbird, but in slrn with vim and the shell I have full control. And
so sometimes I choose to reply with slrn even though it takes me a
little longer. 

A lot of reasons for liking slrn are down to my desire to run in the
console and use vim as the editor. For a good while I was using
Thunderbird. After I started sharing shell scripts in usenet posts slrn
felt easier to do that. Now since I am mostly using Git as a shared area
it doesn't matter. And I can remote thunderbird from a central point if
I wanted to. I've done it over SSH over the internet and it is
acceptable. But slrn running in tmux over ssh is very good. 

The next release of slrn does better with utf. I had ran a beta for a
while after running into an issue. I had only seen the problem with one
person. And so I eventually stopped compiling it and just use the older
distro version. 

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#374372

En 24 lignes Godzilla a écrit
dans news:nssc8u$laq$1@dont-email.me
 le lundi, 03 octobre 2016 à 03:29:03 :

> I use pan when I want to show my godzilla x-face.

  Although Pan is nice for showing X-face headers, you can
 very well do it inside slrn, You can even choose one
 for starting a new thread and another one for follows-up!
	    
  The thing that I appreciate most is the ability to use it
 with NO-X... That is a MOST!!!
		  
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#374361

Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> 1. Does not correctly decodes all utf headers

Are you sure that's not a terminal issue?  For example, tin handles
utf8 headers just fine, but xterm does not; mate-terminal is fine:

http://i.imgur.com/EXOURgy.png

> 2. Threads are difficult to follow as slrn does not cache articles

tin threading:

http://i.imgur.com/s1ywne2.png

> 3. Does not re-formats articles on 80 characters boundary so looking at
> google groups articles is painful

<shrug>  I don't mind it on reading, and for replying, I use
vi commandline to run fmt on it.

> 4. all in all text based experience is sub-par to graphical one
>

Not for me.  I hate always having to "go for the mouse."
tin/vim rules for usenet.

> So I gave up finally , returned to trusty Claws-Mail ;)

Don't you have to use a mail-to-news gateway with that? :)

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#374362

On 2016-10-03, Octavian W. Lagrange <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>> 1. Does not correctly decodes all utf headers
>
> Are you sure that's not a terminal issue?  For example, tin handles
> utf8 headers just fine, but xterm does not; mate-terminal is fine:
>
> http://i.imgur.com/EXOURgy.png
>
>> 2. Threads are difficult to follow as slrn does not cache articles
>
> tin threading:
>
> http://i.imgur.com/s1ywne2.png
>
>> 3. Does not re-formats articles on 80 characters boundary so looking at
>> google groups articles is painful
>
><shrug>  I don't mind it on reading, and for replying, I use
> vi commandline to run fmt on it.
>
>> 4. all in all text based experience is sub-par to graphical one
>>
>
> Not for me.  I hate always having to "go for the mouse."
> tin/vim rules for usenet.
>
>> So I gave up finally , returned to trusty Claws-Mail ;)
>
> Don't you have to use a mail-to-news gateway with that? :)

slrn has threads, too. 

pure threads: http://imgur.com/a/avwP1
post - less threads: http://imgur.com/a/avwP1
post - more threads: http://imgur.com/a/avwP1



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#374363

On 2016-10-03, Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
> On 2016-10-03, Octavian W. Lagrange <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
>> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>>> 1. Does not correctly decodes all utf headers
>>
>> Are you sure that's not a terminal issue?  For example, tin handles
>> utf8 headers just fine, but xterm does not; mate-terminal is fine:
>>
>> http://i.imgur.com/EXOURgy.png
>>
>>> 2. Threads are difficult to follow as slrn does not cache articles
>>
>> tin threading:
>>
>> http://i.imgur.com/s1ywne2.png
>>
>>> 3. Does not re-formats articles on 80 characters boundary so looking at
>>> google groups articles is painful
>>
>><shrug>  I don't mind it on reading, and for replying, I use
>> vi commandline to run fmt on it.
>>
>>> 4. all in all text based experience is sub-par to graphical one
>>>
>>
>> Not for me.  I hate always having to "go for the mouse."
>> tin/vim rules for usenet.
>>
>>> So I gave up finally , returned to trusty Claws-Mail ;)
>>
>> Don't you have to use a mail-to-news gateway with that? :)
>
> slrn has threads, too. 
>
> pure threads: http://imgur.com/a/avwP1
> post - less threads: http://imgur.com/a/avwP1
> post - more threads: http://imgur.com/a/avwP1

Video demo of threads in slrn: https://youtu.be/7p2-b4ck8Sg

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#374365

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In article <hjsague03.age@perch.invalid>, Octavian W. Lagrange wrote:

> > Melzzzzz:
> > 2. Threads are difficult to follow as slrn does not cache articles
> 
> tin threading:

> http://i.imgur.com/s1ywne2.png

Sandmania 2.0 threading:

<http://sandman.net/files/sandmania_threading.png>

:-D

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#374370

On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:18:32 +0000 (UTC)
"Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:

> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> > 1. Does not correctly decodes all utf headers  
> 
> Are you sure that's not a terminal issue?  For example, tin handles
> utf8 headers just fine, but xterm does not; mate-terminal is fine:
> 
> http://i.imgur.com/EXOURgy.png

No, I said not all. UTF is handled just fine in gnome-terminal.

> 
> 
> > So I gave up finally , returned to trusty Claws-Mail ;)  
> 
> Don't you have to use a mail-to-news gateway with that? :)
> 
Noooo. I use thunderbird for mail, but nothing beats Claws when it
comes to usenet...


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#374408

On 2016-10-03, Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:18:32 +0000 (UTC)
> "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>> > 1. Does not correctly decodes all utf headers  
>> 
>> Are you sure that's not a terminal issue?  For example, tin handles
>> utf8 headers just fine, but xterm does not; mate-terminal is fine:
>> 
>> http://i.imgur.com/EXOURgy.png
>
> No, I said not all. UTF is handled just fine in gnome-terminal.
>
>> 
>> > So I gave up finally , returned to trusty Claws-Mail ;)  
>> 
>> Don't you have to use a mail-to-news gateway with that? :)
>> 
> Noooo. I use thunderbird for mail, but nothing beats Claws when it
> comes to usenet...

That's pretty glowing. Okay, I'll have to try it out. I'm pretty
die-hard on the console though. So many benefits for remote via ssh,
tmux and slrn plus my choice of editor. Tough to beat that functionality
on the whole. If I had just one machine and used that and only that I
could totally see adopting a gui app. 

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#374488

On 10/03/2016 02:15 AM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:18:32 +0000 (UTC)
> "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>>> 1. Does not correctly decodes all utf headers  
>>
>> Are you sure that's not a terminal issue?  For example, tin handles
>> utf8 headers just fine, but xterm does not; mate-terminal is fine:
>>
>> http://i.imgur.com/EXOURgy.png
> 
> No, I said not all. UTF is handled just fine in gnome-terminal.
> 
>>
>>
>>> So I gave up finally , returned to trusty Claws-Mail ;)  
>>
>> Don't you have to use a mail-to-news gateway with that? :)
>>
> Noooo. I use thunderbird for mail, but nothing beats Claws when it
> comes to usenet...
> 
> 
I've got Claws installed.  I'll have to check out how it presents usenet
posts.

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#374556

Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:18:32 +0000 (UTC)
> "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>> > 1. Does not correctly decodes all utf headers  
>> 
>> Are you sure that's not a terminal issue?  For example, tin handles
>> utf8 headers just fine, but xterm does not; mate-terminal is fine:
>> 
>> http://i.imgur.com/EXOURgy.png
> 
> No, I said not all. UTF is handled just fine in gnome-terminal.
> 

That's why I asked.  xterm handles *some* utf8 too, just not nearly
as much as mate-terminal, which is superb in that respect.

So you ran slrn under gnome-terminal?  Why not Konsole?

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#374569

On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 21:29:13 +0000 (UTC)
"Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:

> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:18:32 +0000 (UTC)
> > "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
> >   
> >> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:  
> >> > 1. Does not correctly decodes all utf headers    
> >> 
> >> Are you sure that's not a terminal issue?  For example, tin handles
> >> utf8 headers just fine, but xterm does not; mate-terminal is fine:
> >> 
> >> http://i.imgur.com/EXOURgy.png  
> > 
> > No, I said not all. UTF is handled just fine in gnome-terminal.
> >   
> 
> That's why I asked.  xterm handles *some* utf8 too, just not nearly
> as much as mate-terminal, which is superb in that respect.
> 
> So you ran slrn under gnome-terminal?  Why not Konsole?
> 

Because I use Gnome desktop?

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#374573

Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 21:29:13 +0000 (UTC)
> "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>> > On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:18:32 +0000 (UTC)
>> > "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
>> >   
>> >> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:  
>> >> > 1. Does not correctly decodes all utf headers    
>> >> 
>> >> Are you sure that's not a terminal issue?  For example, tin handles
>> >> utf8 headers just fine, but xterm does not; mate-terminal is fine:
>> >> 
>> >> http://i.imgur.com/EXOURgy.png  
>> > 
>> > No, I said not all. UTF is handled just fine in gnome-terminal.
>> >   
>> 
>> That's why I asked.  xterm handles *some* utf8 too, just not nearly
>> as much as mate-terminal, which is superb in that respect.
>> 
>> So you ran slrn under gnome-terminal?  Why not Konsole?
>> 
> 
> Because I use Gnome desktop?
> 

I thought you were a KDE man. 

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#374576

On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 22:22:45 +0000 (UTC)
"Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:

> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 21:29:13 +0000 (UTC)
> > "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
> >   
> >> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:  
> >> > On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:18:32 +0000 (UTC)
> >> > "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
> >> >     
> >> >> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:    
> >> >> > 1. Does not correctly decodes all utf headers      
> >> >> 
> >> >> Are you sure that's not a terminal issue?  For example, tin
> >> >> handles utf8 headers just fine, but xterm does not;
> >> >> mate-terminal is fine:
> >> >> 
> >> >> http://i.imgur.com/EXOURgy.png    
> >> > 
> >> > No, I said not all. UTF is handled just fine in gnome-terminal.
> >> >     
> >> 
> >> That's why I asked.  xterm handles *some* utf8 too, just not nearly
> >> as much as mate-terminal, which is superb in that respect.
> >> 
> >> So you ran slrn under gnome-terminal?  Why not Konsole?
> >>   
> > 
> > Because I use Gnome desktop?
> >   
> 
> I thought you were a KDE man. 
> 

I switch between the three (Gnome, KDE, XFCE)... Now I am in Gnome
phase ;)

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#374581

Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 22:22:45 +0000 (UTC)
> "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>> > On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 21:29:13 +0000 (UTC)
>> > "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
>> >   
>> >> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:  
>> >> > On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:18:32 +0000 (UTC)
>> >> > "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >     
>> >> >> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:    
>> >> >> > 1. Does not correctly decodes all utf headers      
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Are you sure that's not a terminal issue?  For example, tin
>> >> >> handles utf8 headers just fine, but xterm does not;
>> >> >> mate-terminal is fine:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> http://i.imgur.com/EXOURgy.png    
>> >> > 
>> >> > No, I said not all. UTF is handled just fine in gnome-terminal.
>> >> >     
>> >> 
>> >> That's why I asked.  xterm handles *some* utf8 too, just not nearly
>> >> as much as mate-terminal, which is superb in that respect.
>> >> 
>> >> So you ran slrn under gnome-terminal?  Why not Konsole?
>> >>   
>> > 
>> > Because I use Gnome desktop?
>> >   
>> 
>> I thought you were a KDE man. 
>> 
> 
> I switch between the three (Gnome, KDE, XFCE)... Now I am in Gnome
> phase ;)
> 

While in gnome phase, careful not to get lured into Mate, else you'll be 
stuck there for long time.

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#374586

On 10/03/2016 03:29 PM, Octavian W. Lagrange wrote:
> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:18:32 +0000 (UTC)
>> "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>>>> 1. Does not correctly decodes all utf headers  
>>>
>>> Are you sure that's not a terminal issue?  For example, tin handles
>>> utf8 headers just fine, but xterm does not; mate-terminal is fine:
>>>
>>> http://i.imgur.com/EXOURgy.png
>>
>> No, I said not all. UTF is handled just fine in gnome-terminal.
>>
> 
> That's why I asked.  xterm handles *some* utf8 too, just not nearly
> as much as mate-terminal, which is superb in that respect.
> 
> So you ran slrn under gnome-terminal?  Why not Konsole?
> 

On Xterm... there is the Tektronix 4014 mode.  Have you ever tried it?
Somewhere around here I still have the tech manual for a newer model
that is compatible with the 4014.

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#374623

GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
> On 10/03/2016 03:29 PM, Octavian W. Lagrange wrote:
>> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:18:32 +0000 (UTC)
>>> "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 1. Does not correctly decodes all utf headers  
>>>>
>>>> Are you sure that's not a terminal issue?  For example, tin handles
>>>> utf8 headers just fine, but xterm does not; mate-terminal is fine:
>>>>
>>>> http://i.imgur.com/EXOURgy.png
>>>
>>> No, I said not all. UTF is handled just fine in gnome-terminal.
>>>
>> 
>> That's why I asked.  xterm handles *some* utf8 too, just not nearly
>> as much as mate-terminal, which is superb in that respect.
>> 
>> So you ran slrn under gnome-terminal?  Why not Konsole?
>> 
> 
> On Xterm... there is the Tektronix 4014 mode.  Have you ever tried it?
> Somewhere around here I still have the tech manual for a newer model
> that is compatible with the 4014.
> 

That stuff was before my time, but I just tried an xterm in Tektronix
mode and fiddled with some plotutils things:

http://i.imgur.com/tWsJqAL.png

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#374635

On 10/03/2016 06:26 PM, Octavian W. Lagrange wrote:
> GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
>> On 10/03/2016 03:29 PM, Octavian W. Lagrange wrote:
>>> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:18:32 +0000 (UTC)
>>>> "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 1. Does not correctly decodes all utf headers  
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure that's not a terminal issue?  For example, tin handles
>>>>> utf8 headers just fine, but xterm does not; mate-terminal is fine:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/EXOURgy.png
>>>>
>>>> No, I said not all. UTF is handled just fine in gnome-terminal.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's why I asked.  xterm handles *some* utf8 too, just not nearly
>>> as much as mate-terminal, which is superb in that respect.
>>>
>>> So you ran slrn under gnome-terminal?  Why not Konsole?
>>>
>>
>> On Xterm... there is the Tektronix 4014 mode.  Have you ever tried it?
>> Somewhere around here I still have the tech manual for a newer model
>> that is compatible with the 4014.
>>
> 
> That stuff was before my time, but I just tried an xterm in Tektronix
> mode and fiddled with some plotutils things:
> 
> http://i.imgur.com/tWsJqAL.png
> 
> 

Allaright!  Very nice to see it can still be done.
I used a tektronix system with a color terminal around the late 80s and
wrote a few graphics images for automated testing purposes.  I designed
it to help guide an electronics tech to the node that needed to be
probed.  We couldn't use a bed of nails approach due to the coating on
the boards.  They were rugged terminals but sure were expensive.
The last one was around $5500.  All the commands were escape sequences.
Is this what you used, or was it another program?

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