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| Started by | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| First post | 2025-04-23 09:11 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-04-25 01:27 +0000 |
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Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-23 09:11 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-24 12:43 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-24 09:07 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-25 01:25 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-25 05:12 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-26 02:53 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-04-25 19:27 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-25 15:38 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-26 00:42 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-24 13:31 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-24 09:47 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-25 01:28 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-25 12:06 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-25 23:16 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-26 00:50 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-26 01:21 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-26 03:03 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-26 07:34 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-26 08:04 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-26 03:00 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-26 10:09 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-26 05:53 -0500
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-26 11:02 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-26 23:00 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-27 07:24 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-27 08:50 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-28 12:41 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:50 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-29 13:52 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-27 06:35 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-27 07:18 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-27 08:45 -0500
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-28 11:44 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-28 17:05 -0500
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-28 17:11 -0500
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:51 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-29 09:02 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-29 14:08 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-29 11:07 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-30 10:24 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-30 09:13 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-01 14:15 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 14:42 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-02 15:03 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 20:33 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-05-03 08:18 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 21:34 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 18:43 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 00:17 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 21:47 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 07:43 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 09:13 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 20:16 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-05-02 20:47 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 19:31 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-03 00:13 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 22:16 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-03 10:50 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-03 09:31 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-04 09:51 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 08:23 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-04 13:38 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 18:00 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-05 11:03 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-05 08:40 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-05-04 14:40 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-05-04 11:52 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 20:05 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 04:50 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-05-05 18:50 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 14:55 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 04:29 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-02 15:20 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 11:28 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-03 00:11 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 20:15 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-03 01:02 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 22:24 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-03 10:56 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-05-03 08:29 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-03 10:39 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-04 10:04 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 08:24 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 20:10 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 04:48 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-05 08:36 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 17:06 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-05 14:04 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 18:59 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-05 15:24 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 02:21 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-06 11:00 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 20:58 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-06 19:43 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 00:29 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-08 03:28 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-08 10:02 -0400
Linux again (was: Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-07 04:18 +0000
Re: Linux again (was: Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome) Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 00:56 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 07:13 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 08:04 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 20:43 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 06:54 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-05-07 17:30 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-05-08 07:06 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 06:53 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 06:42 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-06 11:02 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 19:36 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 04:02 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-03 08:16 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 21:23 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-03 19:45 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 02:06 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 07:37 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 18:17 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-01 14:03 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 13:52 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:49 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-26 22:57 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-27 07:33 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-27 08:51 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-28 12:02 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:47 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-04-27 09:12 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-28 01:15 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-28 11:51 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-28 08:37 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:48 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-27 08:49 -0500
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-28 11:45 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-27 06:33 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-27 07:31 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-27 08:53 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-27 08:51 -0500
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 07:33 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-28 08:45 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-28 17:42 -0500
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-28 18:51 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-29 02:26 +0000
Re: Evolution (was Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:54 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-28 12:33 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:56 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-29 13:59 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-10 01:06 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 07:27 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-28 12:14 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:53 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-29 14:01 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-10 01:05 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-26 08:15 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-26 23:03 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-27 06:46 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-27 07:41 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-27 14:30 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 02:51 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-28 08:33 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-27 06:45 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-27 08:15 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 07:35 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-27 14:41 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 07:42 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-28 11:40 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 12:25 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-28 08:49 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 18:03 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 20:01 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-28 16:47 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-29 06:15 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-29 09:23 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-29 14:21 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-29 11:24 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-29 21:11 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-29 17:33 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-29 22:14 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-29 19:37 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 00:25 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-30 00:30 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-29 18:22 -0700
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-30 01:39 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-30 08:53 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-01 13:54 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 13:28 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 00:09 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 21:45 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-02 15:31 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 11:41 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-30 10:15 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-30 09:07 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-29 21:03 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 22:56 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 19:48 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-30 10:13 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 22:51 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 03:49 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 22:49 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 19:45 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-03 05:27 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-03 08:18 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 06:58 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 08:14 -0400
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 04:41 +0000
Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-30 10:11 +0000
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-05-03 10:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <YUpRP.53707$0jW7.6686@fx09.iad> |
| In reply to | #689917 |
On 2025-05-03 06:56, Borax Man wrote: < snipped for brevity > >> For someone with very basic needs, there is absolutely no reason why >> Linux wouldn't be better than MacOS. Browsers boot up faster, as do the >> photo viewing and management programs. Additionally, you can update it >> for as long as you wish to keep the hardware, it only gets discarded >> when it becomes irreparable or a chore to use. The thought that one >> would have to get rid of their machine because a company like Microsoft >> or Apple is no longer willing to supply updates, preventing users from >> even using a browser is just ridiculous. Heck, it's inhumane. >> > > That was exactly our rationale. $2000 for Apple, or about $600 for a > decent refurbished Thinkpad, to do the EXACT SAME THING. It was a > no-brainer really. > > And yes, the "on site tech support" is a feature, and does matter. She > wanted to play "Carmen San Deigo", on the laptop, knowing how the system > worked, it was easy for me to install DosBox and set up a script which > went straight into the game from an icon. The "How do I" question gets > an answer. Playing DOS games is incredibly easy in Linux considering how many tools they make available for that. Heck, even playing Windows games is easy. Even if they were purchased on a service like GOG, you can use Heroic Games Launcher to log in and play there. Right now, it has a minimal audio issue, but you can use the "add automatically to Steam" feature to load the game through the latter where no issues exist. As for my own needs with laptop, they haven't changed since 2015. I still rip DVDs and Blu-Rays and I still use the same software that is available in Linux. The 2021 computer does it faster than the 2015 machine, but it still results in the same thing. It wasn't that slow on the 2015 machine anyway. Using an old computer for my needs would be just fine. >> I actually counted the cost of computers for a typical user. If you >> bought a machine in 2020 for $2,000 and used it until 2025, you would >> have essentially paid $400 a year for hardware that does exactly the >> same thing you were doing twenty years earlier, except faster. Perhaps >> that $400 number doesn't affect others, but I find that it's a high >> price to pay for the luxury of browsing and sending a few e-mails. At >> some point, it only makes sense to reject the idea that a new machine >> needs to be purchased so often. Heck, five years is conservative; a lot >> of people replace them a lot earlier than that. That's just how long I >> usually keep my hardware. I'm going to try to go for a decade this time. > > If you don't play games or do video editing, you could get easily 5 > years out of a computer these days. Now with phones, its harder, you > don't have a viable option. You could video edit with older machines too, but I guess the people doing that are incredibly impatient and will be glad to shell out another $4k on an Apple machine that saves them thirty seconds from the previous one. I'm not that kind of person. I'll just wait those thirty seconds. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage KDE & LibreOffice supporter John 14:6
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| From | Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-04 10:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn101eets.be1.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> |
| In reply to | #689928 |
On 2025-05-03, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > On 2025-05-03 06:56, Borax Man wrote: > >< snipped for brevity > > >>> For someone with very basic needs, there is absolutely no reason why >>> Linux wouldn't be better than MacOS. Browsers boot up faster, as do the >>> photo viewing and management programs. Additionally, you can update it >>> for as long as you wish to keep the hardware, it only gets discarded >>> when it becomes irreparable or a chore to use. The thought that one >>> would have to get rid of their machine because a company like Microsoft >>> or Apple is no longer willing to supply updates, preventing users from >>> even using a browser is just ridiculous. Heck, it's inhumane. >>> >> >> That was exactly our rationale. $2000 for Apple, or about $600 for a >> decent refurbished Thinkpad, to do the EXACT SAME THING. It was a >> no-brainer really. >> >> And yes, the "on site tech support" is a feature, and does matter. She >> wanted to play "Carmen San Deigo", on the laptop, knowing how the system >> worked, it was easy for me to install DosBox and set up a script which >> went straight into the game from an icon. The "How do I" question gets >> an answer. > > Playing DOS games is incredibly easy in Linux considering how many tools > they make available for that. Heck, even playing Windows games is easy. > Even if they were purchased on a service like GOG, you can use Heroic > Games Launcher to log in and play there. Right now, it has a minimal > audio issue, but you can use the "add automatically to Steam" feature to > load the game through the latter where no issues exist. As for my own > needs with laptop, they haven't changed since 2015. I still rip DVDs and > Blu-Rays and I still use the same software that is available in Linux. > The 2021 computer does it faster than the 2015 machine, but it still > results in the same thing. It wasn't that slow on the 2015 machine > anyway. Using an old computer for my needs would be just fine. > >>> I actually counted the cost of computers for a typical user. If you >>> bought a machine in 2020 for $2,000 and used it until 2025, you would >>> have essentially paid $400 a year for hardware that does exactly the >>> same thing you were doing twenty years earlier, except faster. Perhaps >>> that $400 number doesn't affect others, but I find that it's a high >>> price to pay for the luxury of browsing and sending a few e-mails. At >>> some point, it only makes sense to reject the idea that a new machine >>> needs to be purchased so often. Heck, five years is conservative; a lot >>> of people replace them a lot earlier than that. That's just how long I >>> usually keep my hardware. I'm going to try to go for a decade this time. >> >> If you don't play games or do video editing, you could get easily 5 >> years out of a computer these days. Now with phones, its harder, you >> don't have a viable option. > > You could video edit with older machines too, but I guess the people > doing that are incredibly impatient and will be glad to shell out > another $4k on an Apple machine that saves them thirty seconds from the > previous one. I'm not that kind of person. I'll just wait those thirty > seconds. > DosBox covers most DOS games, and its generally quite good. Almost as good as the real hardware. For windows, I have some games like Simcity 4 that work with Wine/Lutris, but not so much under Windows. In fact, I got DOOM 2016 working under Linux, where I couldn't get Windows 7 installed on it at all.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-05-04 08:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <U%IRP.309$mVWd.241@fx44.iad> |
| In reply to | #689954 |
On 2025-05-04 06:04, Borax Man wrote: > On 2025-05-03, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> On 2025-05-03 06:56, Borax Man wrote: >> >> < snipped for brevity > >> >>>> For someone with very basic needs, there is absolutely no reason why >>>> Linux wouldn't be better than MacOS. Browsers boot up faster, as do the >>>> photo viewing and management programs. Additionally, you can update it >>>> for as long as you wish to keep the hardware, it only gets discarded >>>> when it becomes irreparable or a chore to use. The thought that one >>>> would have to get rid of their machine because a company like Microsoft >>>> or Apple is no longer willing to supply updates, preventing users from >>>> even using a browser is just ridiculous. Heck, it's inhumane. >>>> >>> >>> That was exactly our rationale. $2000 for Apple, or about $600 for a >>> decent refurbished Thinkpad, to do the EXACT SAME THING. It was a >>> no-brainer really. >>> >>> And yes, the "on site tech support" is a feature, and does matter. She >>> wanted to play "Carmen San Deigo", on the laptop, knowing how the system >>> worked, it was easy for me to install DosBox and set up a script which >>> went straight into the game from an icon. The "How do I" question gets >>> an answer. >> >> Playing DOS games is incredibly easy in Linux considering how many tools >> they make available for that. Heck, even playing Windows games is easy. >> Even if they were purchased on a service like GOG, you can use Heroic >> Games Launcher to log in and play there. Right now, it has a minimal >> audio issue, but you can use the "add automatically to Steam" feature to >> load the game through the latter where no issues exist. As for my own >> needs with laptop, they haven't changed since 2015. I still rip DVDs and >> Blu-Rays and I still use the same software that is available in Linux. >> The 2021 computer does it faster than the 2015 machine, but it still >> results in the same thing. It wasn't that slow on the 2015 machine >> anyway. Using an old computer for my needs would be just fine. >> >>>> I actually counted the cost of computers for a typical user. If you >>>> bought a machine in 2020 for $2,000 and used it until 2025, you would >>>> have essentially paid $400 a year for hardware that does exactly the >>>> same thing you were doing twenty years earlier, except faster. Perhaps >>>> that $400 number doesn't affect others, but I find that it's a high >>>> price to pay for the luxury of browsing and sending a few e-mails. At >>>> some point, it only makes sense to reject the idea that a new machine >>>> needs to be purchased so often. Heck, five years is conservative; a lot >>>> of people replace them a lot earlier than that. That's just how long I >>>> usually keep my hardware. I'm going to try to go for a decade this time. >>> >>> If you don't play games or do video editing, you could get easily 5 >>> years out of a computer these days. Now with phones, its harder, you >>> don't have a viable option. >> >> You could video edit with older machines too, but I guess the people >> doing that are incredibly impatient and will be glad to shell out >> another $4k on an Apple machine that saves them thirty seconds from the >> previous one. I'm not that kind of person. I'll just wait those thirty >> seconds. >> > DosBox covers most DOS games, and its generally quite good. Almost as > good as the real hardware. > > For windows, I have some games like Simcity 4 that work with > Wine/Lutris, but not so much under Windows. > > In fact, I got DOOM 2016 working under Linux, where I couldn't get > Windows 7 installed on it at all. DOOM 2016 was a damned good game. However, Doom Eternal was a masterpiece. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage KDE & LibreOffice supporter John 14:6
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-04 20:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7pvtdFjq4qU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #689954 |
On Sun, 4 May 2025 10:04:44 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: > DosBox covers most DOS games, and its generally quite good. Almost as > good as the real hardware. It is handy. The version of dbVista we used was old and the administration tool used ncurses. I think it was Windows 7 that dropped ANSI.sys required to handle the curses escape sequences. DosBox to the rescue.
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 04:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn101ggon.aov8.ronb02NOSPAM@3020m.home> |
| In reply to | #689954 |
On 2025-05-04, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote: > On 2025-05-03, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> On 2025-05-03 06:56, Borax Man wrote: >> >>< snipped for brevity > >> >>>> For someone with very basic needs, there is absolutely no reason why >>>> Linux wouldn't be better than MacOS. Browsers boot up faster, as do the >>>> photo viewing and management programs. Additionally, you can update it >>>> for as long as you wish to keep the hardware, it only gets discarded >>>> when it becomes irreparable or a chore to use. The thought that one >>>> would have to get rid of their machine because a company like Microsoft >>>> or Apple is no longer willing to supply updates, preventing users from >>>> even using a browser is just ridiculous. Heck, it's inhumane. >>>> >>> >>> That was exactly our rationale. $2000 for Apple, or about $600 for a >>> decent refurbished Thinkpad, to do the EXACT SAME THING. It was a >>> no-brainer really. >>> >>> And yes, the "on site tech support" is a feature, and does matter. She >>> wanted to play "Carmen San Deigo", on the laptop, knowing how the system >>> worked, it was easy for me to install DosBox and set up a script which >>> went straight into the game from an icon. The "How do I" question gets >>> an answer. >> >> Playing DOS games is incredibly easy in Linux considering how many tools >> they make available for that. Heck, even playing Windows games is easy. >> Even if they were purchased on a service like GOG, you can use Heroic >> Games Launcher to log in and play there. Right now, it has a minimal >> audio issue, but you can use the "add automatically to Steam" feature to >> load the game through the latter where no issues exist. As for my own >> needs with laptop, they haven't changed since 2015. I still rip DVDs and >> Blu-Rays and I still use the same software that is available in Linux. >> The 2021 computer does it faster than the 2015 machine, but it still >> results in the same thing. It wasn't that slow on the 2015 machine >> anyway. Using an old computer for my needs would be just fine. >> >>>> I actually counted the cost of computers for a typical user. If you >>>> bought a machine in 2020 for $2,000 and used it until 2025, you would >>>> have essentially paid $400 a year for hardware that does exactly the >>>> same thing you were doing twenty years earlier, except faster. Perhaps >>>> that $400 number doesn't affect others, but I find that it's a high >>>> price to pay for the luxury of browsing and sending a few e-mails. At >>>> some point, it only makes sense to reject the idea that a new machine >>>> needs to be purchased so often. Heck, five years is conservative; a lot >>>> of people replace them a lot earlier than that. That's just how long I >>>> usually keep my hardware. I'm going to try to go for a decade this time. >>> >>> If you don't play games or do video editing, you could get easily 5 >>> years out of a computer these days. Now with phones, its harder, you >>> don't have a viable option. >> >> You could video edit with older machines too, but I guess the people >> doing that are incredibly impatient and will be glad to shell out >> another $4k on an Apple machine that saves them thirty seconds from the >> previous one. I'm not that kind of person. I'll just wait those thirty >> seconds. >> > DosBox covers most DOS games, and its generally quite good. Almost as > good as the real hardware. > > For windows, I have some games like Simcity 4 that work with > Wine/Lutris, but not so much under Windows. > > In fact, I got DOOM 2016 working under Linux, where I couldn't get > Windows 7 installed on it at all. I'm not a game player, but I use DOSBox-X for WordStar 7, dBase (rarely now) and a screenwriting program called ScriptThing for DOS. All work well. I have tried the Zork text games in DOSBox-X, but I'm not bright enough to get far in these. -- Jesus sat with sinners: He didn't sin with them. Know the difference.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 08:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Tg2SP.78081$f6Vd.69306@fx11.iad> |
| In reply to | #689988 |
On 2025-05-05 00:48, RonB wrote: > On 2025-05-04, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote: >> On 2025-05-03, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>> On 2025-05-03 06:56, Borax Man wrote: >>> >>> < snipped for brevity > >>> >>>>> For someone with very basic needs, there is absolutely no reason why >>>>> Linux wouldn't be better than MacOS. Browsers boot up faster, as do the >>>>> photo viewing and management programs. Additionally, you can update it >>>>> for as long as you wish to keep the hardware, it only gets discarded >>>>> when it becomes irreparable or a chore to use. The thought that one >>>>> would have to get rid of their machine because a company like Microsoft >>>>> or Apple is no longer willing to supply updates, preventing users from >>>>> even using a browser is just ridiculous. Heck, it's inhumane. >>>>> >>>> >>>> That was exactly our rationale. $2000 for Apple, or about $600 for a >>>> decent refurbished Thinkpad, to do the EXACT SAME THING. It was a >>>> no-brainer really. >>>> >>>> And yes, the "on site tech support" is a feature, and does matter. She >>>> wanted to play "Carmen San Deigo", on the laptop, knowing how the system >>>> worked, it was easy for me to install DosBox and set up a script which >>>> went straight into the game from an icon. The "How do I" question gets >>>> an answer. >>> >>> Playing DOS games is incredibly easy in Linux considering how many tools >>> they make available for that. Heck, even playing Windows games is easy. >>> Even if they were purchased on a service like GOG, you can use Heroic >>> Games Launcher to log in and play there. Right now, it has a minimal >>> audio issue, but you can use the "add automatically to Steam" feature to >>> load the game through the latter where no issues exist. As for my own >>> needs with laptop, they haven't changed since 2015. I still rip DVDs and >>> Blu-Rays and I still use the same software that is available in Linux. >>> The 2021 computer does it faster than the 2015 machine, but it still >>> results in the same thing. It wasn't that slow on the 2015 machine >>> anyway. Using an old computer for my needs would be just fine. >>> >>>>> I actually counted the cost of computers for a typical user. If you >>>>> bought a machine in 2020 for $2,000 and used it until 2025, you would >>>>> have essentially paid $400 a year for hardware that does exactly the >>>>> same thing you were doing twenty years earlier, except faster. Perhaps >>>>> that $400 number doesn't affect others, but I find that it's a high >>>>> price to pay for the luxury of browsing and sending a few e-mails. At >>>>> some point, it only makes sense to reject the idea that a new machine >>>>> needs to be purchased so often. Heck, five years is conservative; a lot >>>>> of people replace them a lot earlier than that. That's just how long I >>>>> usually keep my hardware. I'm going to try to go for a decade this time. >>>> >>>> If you don't play games or do video editing, you could get easily 5 >>>> years out of a computer these days. Now with phones, its harder, you >>>> don't have a viable option. >>> >>> You could video edit with older machines too, but I guess the people >>> doing that are incredibly impatient and will be glad to shell out >>> another $4k on an Apple machine that saves them thirty seconds from the >>> previous one. I'm not that kind of person. I'll just wait those thirty >>> seconds. >>> >> DosBox covers most DOS games, and its generally quite good. Almost as >> good as the real hardware. >> >> For windows, I have some games like Simcity 4 that work with >> Wine/Lutris, but not so much under Windows. >> >> In fact, I got DOOM 2016 working under Linux, where I couldn't get >> Windows 7 installed on it at all. > > I'm not a game player, but I use DOSBox-X for WordStar 7, dBase (rarely now) > and a screenwriting program called ScriptThing for DOS. All work well. > > I have tried the Zork text games in DOSBox-X, but I'm not bright enough to > get far in these. The text games required a level of patience most people don't have nowadays. They also more or less demanded that you create maps, take notes and so on. My nerd cousin could do it, but no one else was willing to. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage KDE & LibreOffice supporter John 14:6
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 17:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7s9frFgvlU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #689997 |
On Mon, 5 May 2025 08:36:03 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > The text games required a level of patience most people don't have > nowadays. They also more or less demanded that you create maps, take > notes and so on. My nerd cousin could do it, but no one else was willing > to. I didn't have the patience back in the day either. I remember one based on 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy'. I didn't care that much for the book and I never got further than a bulldozer driving through Ford Prefect's house or something like that. https://www.myabandonware.com/game/the-hitchhiker-s-guide-to-the- galaxy-42#download I think I had a low rent version of Zork on CP/M and never got far in that one either.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 14:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <_47SP.53276$XRRd.49895@fx10.iad> |
| In reply to | #690001 |
On 2025-05-05 13:06, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 5 May 2025 08:36:03 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> The text games required a level of patience most people don't have >> nowadays. They also more or less demanded that you create maps, take >> notes and so on. My nerd cousin could do it, but no one else was willing >> to. > > I didn't have the patience back in the day either. I remember one based on > 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy'. I didn't care that much for the > book and I never got further than a bulldozer driving through Ford > Prefect's house or something like that. I wasn't a big fan of the book either and thought the movie was awful. The TV show seemed to be okay from the limited exposure I got to it. Either way, you were at the very beginning of the story. I only checked out the story because I was told that it was science fiction genius, but I guess it was a very different time when that applied. > https://www.myabandonware.com/game/the-hitchhiker-s-guide-to-the- > galaxy-42#download > > I think I had a low rent version of Zork on CP/M and never got far in that > one either. I don't think I've ever even played Zork. I played all sorts of other text adventures, but they were never my thing. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage KDE & LibreOffice supporter John 14:6
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 18:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7sg4mF1lm0U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #690002 |
On Mon, 5 May 2025 14:04:42 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > I wasn't a big fan of the book either and thought the movie was awful. > The TV show seemed to be okay from the limited exposure I got to it. > Either way, you were at the very beginning of the story. I only checked > out the story because I was told that it was science fiction genius, but > I guess it was a very different time when that applied. I enjoyed Terry Pratchett's books and Tolkein was okay but most British sci-fi doesn't do it for me like Gaiman's 'Good Omens' or the whole 'Doctor Who' thing. I think it's the attempts at humor. Benny Hill, Doc Martin, Monty Python, and so forth didn't impress me either. There seems to be a tendency to take what might be a funny gag and beat it to death.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 15:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Hf8SP.123705$eDv2.30202@fx17.iad> |
| In reply to | #690005 |
On 2025-05-05 14:59, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 5 May 2025 14:04:42 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> I wasn't a big fan of the book either and thought the movie was awful. >> The TV show seemed to be okay from the limited exposure I got to it. >> Either way, you were at the very beginning of the story. I only checked >> out the story because I was told that it was science fiction genius, but >> I guess it was a very different time when that applied. > > I enjoyed Terry Pratchett's books and Tolkein was okay but most British > sci-fi doesn't do it for me like Gaiman's 'Good Omens' or the whole > 'Doctor Who' thing. I think it's the attempts at humor. Benny Hill, Doc > Martin, Monty Python, and so forth didn't impress me either. There seems > to be a tendency to take what might be a funny gag and beat it to death. Monty Python's highlights are funny, but their shows are not. Stick to the highlights no matter what. As for Benny Hill, I grew up with reruns of it on French antenna TV here in Quebec. I loved it as a kid and didn't mind the parts where the women showed their breasts either. I hated the Good Omens TV series though. I imagine that I wouldn't have been fond of the book either. Speaking of garbage, the movie Here deserves a mention. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage KDE & LibreOffice supporter John 14:6
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 02:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7ta0oF5cn9U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #690006 |
On Mon, 5 May 2025 15:24:23 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > Speaking of garbage, the movie Here deserves a mention. I hadn't heard of it and after reading the Wiki article that's just as well. That set off a side trip and I was surprised to find how few of Tom Hanks' movies I've seen considering how prolific he is.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 11:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fupSP.1574$v2h6.1247@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #690009 |
On 2025-05-05 22:21, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 5 May 2025 15:24:23 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> Speaking of garbage, the movie Here deserves a mention. > > I hadn't heard of it and after reading the Wiki article that's just as > well. That set off a side trip and I was surprised to find how few of Tom > Hanks' movies I've seen considering how prolific he is. My habit is that if Tom Hanks is in it, it's probably a good movie. This one was unfortunate because the idea behind it was decent. The storylines within are the problem. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage KDE & LibreOffice supporter John 14:6
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 20:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn101ktv1.2ogq.ronb02NOSPAM@3020m.home> |
| In reply to | #690017 |
On 2025-05-06, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > On 2025-05-05 22:21, rbowman wrote: >> On Mon, 5 May 2025 15:24:23 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> Speaking of garbage, the movie Here deserves a mention. >> >> I hadn't heard of it and after reading the Wiki article that's just as >> well. That set off a side trip and I was surprised to find how few of Tom >> Hanks' movies I've seen considering how prolific he is. > > My habit is that if Tom Hanks is in it, it's probably a good movie. This > one was unfortunate because the idea behind it was decent. The > storylines within are the problem. The last Tom Hanks movie I saw was "Sully" (because my wife's father piloted his own plane and my wife wanted to see it). I've heard his voice in a couple Toy Stories and Cars movies but I think the last Tom Hanks movie I watched of my volition was "Catch Me If You Can." I hated "Cast Away," so I think that kind of turned me away from Tom Hanks' movies. I liked his earlier, comedy stuff, a couple of his romantic comedies (with Meg Ryan) and "Green Mile." Also "Joe Vs the Volcano." -- Jesus sat with sinners: He didn't sin with them. Know the difference.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 19:43 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <A8xSP.20432$ujgb.17768@fx15.iad> |
| In reply to | #690024 |
On 2025-05-06 16:58, RonB wrote: > On 2025-05-06, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> On 2025-05-05 22:21, rbowman wrote: >>> On Mon, 5 May 2025 15:24:23 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> >>>> Speaking of garbage, the movie Here deserves a mention. >>> >>> I hadn't heard of it and after reading the Wiki article that's just as >>> well. That set off a side trip and I was surprised to find how few of Tom >>> Hanks' movies I've seen considering how prolific he is. >> >> My habit is that if Tom Hanks is in it, it's probably a good movie. This >> one was unfortunate because the idea behind it was decent. The >> storylines within are the problem. > > The last Tom Hanks movie I saw was "Sully" (because my wife's father piloted > his own plane and my wife wanted to see it). I've heard his voice in a > couple Toy Stories and Cars movies but I think the last Tom Hanks movie I > watched of my volition was "Catch Me If You Can." I hated "Cast Away," so I > think that kind of turned me away from Tom Hanks' movies. I liked his > earlier, comedy stuff, a couple of his romantic comedies (with Meg Ryan) and > "Green Mile." Also "Joe Vs the Volcano." I didn't mind Cast Away, I loved The Green Mile, I liked The Terminal, and I loved Forrest Gump. Perhaps I haven't been exposed to his garbage enough. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage KDE & LibreOffice supporter John 14:6
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-08 00:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn101nung.54eb.ronb02NOSPAM@3020m.home> |
| In reply to | #690030 |
On 2025-05-06, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > On 2025-05-06 16:58, RonB wrote: >> On 2025-05-06, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>> On 2025-05-05 22:21, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Mon, 5 May 2025 15:24:23 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>> >>>>> Speaking of garbage, the movie Here deserves a mention. >>>> >>>> I hadn't heard of it and after reading the Wiki article that's just as >>>> well. That set off a side trip and I was surprised to find how few of Tom >>>> Hanks' movies I've seen considering how prolific he is. >>> >>> My habit is that if Tom Hanks is in it, it's probably a good movie. This >>> one was unfortunate because the idea behind it was decent. The >>> storylines within are the problem. >> >> The last Tom Hanks movie I saw was "Sully" (because my wife's father piloted >> his own plane and my wife wanted to see it). I've heard his voice in a >> couple Toy Stories and Cars movies but I think the last Tom Hanks movie I >> watched of my volition was "Catch Me If You Can." I hated "Cast Away," so I >> think that kind of turned me away from Tom Hanks' movies. I liked his >> earlier, comedy stuff, a couple of his romantic comedies (with Meg Ryan) and >> "Green Mile." Also "Joe Vs the Volcano." > > I didn't mind Cast Away, I loved The Green Mile, I liked The Terminal, > and I loved Forrest Gump. Perhaps I haven't been exposed to his garbage > enough. Not that Tom Hanks is a bad actor. And his choice of music in his movies is almost always very good (at least in the movies I've seen). But he's another comedic actor who, apparently, wanted to be taken "seriously" so, in my opinion, he picks morose movies. (Kind of like Bill Murray in later acting career.) I'm guessing it's a personal thing for me, but some of these actors seem to overdo it. I expected more out of "Forrest Gump" (because of the hype) than what it delivered. That's probably on me for expecting too much, I might like it more if I watched it again. (I really don't want to, though.) Different tastes, I guess. -- Jesus sat with sinners: He didn't sin with them. Know the difference.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-08 03:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m82mmnF1dksU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #690080 |
Semi back on topic: https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/07/mobile_browser_data_collection/ My Fedora box (KDE/Wayland) doesn't have Chrome so I wouldn't be missing anything. Ubuntu does have Chrome but I chiefly use Brave and Tor with Firefox for limited use. For some reason Khan Academy doesn't like Brave even if I turn the shields off.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-05-08 10:02 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ZP2TP.18178$FH88.6491@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #690088 |
On 2025-05-07 23:28, rbowman wrote: > Semi back on topic: > > https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/07/mobile_browser_data_collection/ > > My Fedora box (KDE/Wayland) doesn't have Chrome so I wouldn't be missing > anything. Ubuntu does have Chrome but I chiefly use Brave and Tor with > Firefox for limited use. For some reason Khan Academy doesn't like Brave > even if I turn the shields off. It's a compatibility issue with Brave and little more. You're best off reporting the site to Brave so they can fix it. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage KDE & LibreOffice supporter John 14:6
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2025-05-07 04:18 +0000 |
| Subject | Linux again (was: Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome) |
| Message-ID | <m8057oFge6fU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #690024 |
On Tue, 6 May 2025 20:58:19 -0000 (UTC), RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote in <slrn101ktv1.2ogq.ronb02NOSPAM@3020m.home>: > On 2025-05-06, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> On 2025-05-05 22:21, rbowman wrote: >>> On Mon, 5 May 2025 15:24:23 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> >>>> Speaking of garbage, the movie Here deserves a mention. >>> >>> I hadn't heard of it and after reading the Wiki article that's just as >>> well. That set off a side trip and I was surprised to find how few of >>> Tom Hanks' movies I've seen considering how prolific he is. >> >> My habit is that if Tom Hanks is in it, it's probably a good movie. >> This one was unfortunate because the idea behind it was decent. The >> storylines within are the problem. > > The last Tom Hanks movie I saw was "Sully" (because my wife's father > piloted his own plane and my wife wanted to see it). I've heard his > voice in a couple Toy Stories and Cars movies but I think the last Tom > Hanks movie I watched of my volition was "Catch Me If You Can." I hated > "Cast Away," so I think that kind of turned me away from Tom Hanks' > movies. I liked his earlier, comedy stuff, a couple of his romantic > comedies (with Meg Ryan) and "Green Mile." Also "Joe Vs the Volcano." Yeah, well, Joe didn't run Linux. (I run joe(1) on Linux all the time, though, it is my editor of choice.) Speaking of Linux: $ tail linux-6.14.5/uname.out linux-6.15-rc5/uname.out ==> linux-6.14.5/uname.out <== Linux lm 6.14.5 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri May 2 19:09:34 PDT 2025 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux ==> linux-6.15-rc5/uname.out <== Linux mintvirt 6.15.0-rc5 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun May 4 20:13:31 PDT 2025 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux ObLinux: Compilation times for kernels are in the uname structure, and printed with "uname -a". ...and I swear the tagline below came up at random. -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.14.5 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G "Volcano -- a mountain with hiccups."
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-07 00:56 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Linux again (was: Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome) |
| Message-ID | <topl1ktkd78uvornfbtfese1gjadl6cgth@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #690039 |
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: >On Tue, 6 May 2025 20:58:19 -0000 (UTC), RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> >wrote in <slrn101ktv1.2ogq.ronb02NOSPAM@3020m.home>: >> On 2025-05-06, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>> On 2025-05-05 22:21, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Mon, 5 May 2025 15:24:23 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>> >>>>> Speaking of garbage, the movie Here deserves a mention. >>>> >>>> I hadn't heard of it and after reading the Wiki article that's just as >>>> well. That set off a side trip and I was surprised to find how few of >>>> Tom Hanks' movies I've seen considering how prolific he is. >>> >>> My habit is that if Tom Hanks is in it, it's probably a good movie. >>> This one was unfortunate because the idea behind it was decent. The >>> storylines within are the problem. >> >> The last Tom Hanks movie I saw was "Sully" (because my wife's father >> piloted his own plane and my wife wanted to see it). I've heard his >> voice in a couple Toy Stories and Cars movies but I think the last Tom >> Hanks movie I watched of my volition was "Catch Me If You Can." I hated >> "Cast Away," so I think that kind of turned me away from Tom Hanks' >> movies. I liked his earlier, comedy stuff, a couple of his romantic >> comedies (with Meg Ryan) and "Green Mile." Also "Joe Vs the Volcano." > >Yeah, well, Joe didn't run Linux. (I run joe(1) on Linux all the time, >though, it is my editor of choice.) > >Speaking of Linux: > >$ tail linux-6.14.5/uname.out linux-6.15-rc5/uname.out >==> linux-6.14.5/uname.out <== >Linux lm 6.14.5 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri May 2 19:09:34 PDT 2025 x86_64 x86_64 >x86_64 GNU/Linux > >==> linux-6.15-rc5/uname.out <== >Linux mintvirt 6.15.0-rc5 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun May 4 20:13:31 PDT 2025 >x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux > >ObLinux: >Compilation times for kernels are in the uname structure, and printed >with "uname -a". > > ...and I swear the tagline below came up at random. Joe's Own Editor is a great piece of software, I don't have much use for it as it happens, but I have it among the good products installed. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 07:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn101jdkq.1rij.ronb02NOSPAM@3020m.home> |
| In reply to | #690005 |
On 2025-05-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Mon, 5 May 2025 14:04:42 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> I wasn't a big fan of the book either and thought the movie was awful. >> The TV show seemed to be okay from the limited exposure I got to it. >> Either way, you were at the very beginning of the story. I only checked >> out the story because I was told that it was science fiction genius, but >> I guess it was a very different time when that applied. > > I enjoyed Terry Pratchett's books and Tolkein was okay but most British > sci-fi doesn't do it for me like Gaiman's 'Good Omens' or the whole > 'Doctor Who' thing. I think it's the attempts at humor. Benny Hill, Doc > Martin, Monty Python, and so forth didn't impress me either. There seems > to be a tendency to take what might be a funny gag and beat it to death. I never read any of Terry Pratchett's stuff (didn't even know he was English) but I've heard of him. I did like Monty Python and some of the Doctor Who shows (the episode's writer made a huge difference to me, pretty much anything Steven Moffett wrote I liked — the rest, not so much). I don't know who Doc Martin is, but I was never a fan of Benny Hill. Monty Python's Life of Brian from 46 years ago (man, I'm old)... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chnlQQCsTVw (Stan wants to be a woman named Loretta — back then it was funny joke, now it's just a sad joke.) -- Jesus sat with sinners: He didn't sin with them. Know the difference.
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