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  Does Anybody Still Use IIS Any More? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-11 01:20 +0000
    Re: Does Anybody Still Use IIS Any More? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-10 19:39 -0700
    Re: Does Anybody Still Use IIS Any More? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-14 21:51 +0000
      Re: Does Anybody Still Use IIS Any More? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-14 20:41 -0400
        Re: Does Anybody Still Use IIS Any More? Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-14 20:43 -0400
        Re: Does Anybody Still Use IIS Any More? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-15 04:20 +0000
          Re: Does Anybody Still Use IIS Any More? Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-15 00:41 -0400
          Re: Does Anybody Still Use IIS Any More? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-15 08:35 -0400
            Re: Does Anybody Still Use IIS Any More? Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-04-15 15:24 +0000
              Re: Does Anybody Still Use IIS Any More? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-15 11:56 -0400
                Re: Does Anybody Still Use IIS Any More? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-15 17:56 +0000
                  Re: Does Anybody Still Use IIS Any More? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-15 19:54 -0400
            Re: Does Anybody Still Use IIS Any More? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-16 12:40 +0000
              Re: Does Anybody Still Use IIS Any More? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-16 08:52 -0400
                Re: Does Anybody Still Use IIS Any More? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-17 07:51 +0000
                  Re: Does Anybody Still Use IIS Any More? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-17 08:52 -0400
                    Re: Does Anybody Still Use IIS Any More? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-17 23:25 +0000

#688859 — Does Anybody Still Use IIS Any More?

For a change, a Windows update screwup does little more (or so it
looks) than leave a junk folder behind
<https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/windows-update-drops-empty-intepub-folder-in-system-leaves-users-scratching-heads-after-april-update>.
But it seems the folder name triggers unpleasant memories for some:

    ... this folder is associated with systems with Microsoft’s
    Internet Information Services (IIS) installed. IIS is a web server
    platform with a long history of security vulnerabilities.

Is that how people remember IIS nowadays? As a source of security
vulnerabilities, rather than a useful way to offer Web services on a
Windows platform?

Oh dear, how sad, never mind ...

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#688861

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> For a change, a Windows update screwup does little more (or so it
> looks) than leave a junk folder behind
> <https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/windows-update-drops-empty-intepub-folder-in-system-leaves-users-scratching-heads-after-april-update>.
> But it seems the folder name triggers unpleasant memories for some:
> 
>      ... this folder is associated with systems with Microsoft’s
>      Internet Information Services (IIS) installed. IIS is a web server
>      platform with a long history of security vulnerabilities.
> 
> Is that how people remember IIS nowadays? As a source of security
> vulnerabilities, rather than a useful way to offer Web services on a
> Windows platform?
> 
> Oh dear, how sad, never mind ...
> 
no , none of us live in the past anymore

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#688975

On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 01:20:30 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:

> For a change, a Windows update screwup does little more (or so it
> looks) than leave a junk folder behind
> <https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/windows-update-drops-empty-intepub-folder-in-system-leaves-users-scratching-heads-after-april-update>.

Now Microsoft is saying that empty junk folder is key to some strange
new Windows security feature
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-warning-dont-delete-that-weird-inetpub-folder-already-did-heres-your-fix/>.

What happens if you’ve deleted it? Microsoft says don’t just recreate
it yourself: instead, you must go through the rigmarole of turning IIS
on and off again, to recreate it properly.

You may wonder what Microsoft is up to these days, that it has to
resort to such roundabout and baffling voodoo-black-magic measures all
in the name of “security”.

I expect some at Microsoft are wondering, too.

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#688977

On 4/14/25 17:51, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 01:20:30 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:
> 
>> For a change, a Windows update screwup does little more (or so it
>> looks) than leave a junk folder behind
>> <https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/windows-update-drops-empty-intepub-folder-in-system-leaves-users-scratching-heads-after-april-update>.
> 
> Now Microsoft is saying that empty junk folder is key to some strange
> new Windows security feature
> <https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-warning-dont-delete-that-weird-inetpub-folder-already-did-heres-your-fix/>.
> 
> What happens if you’ve deleted it? Microsoft says don’t just recreate
> it yourself: instead, you must go through the rigmarole of turning IIS
> on and off again, to recreate it properly.
> 
> You may wonder what Microsoft is up to these days, that it has to
> resort to such roundabout and baffling voodoo-black-magic measures all
> in the name of “security”.
> 
> I expect some at Microsoft are wondering, too.

In the past few days, I saw the article you just posted and another 
asked people to ignore some 0xxxxxxx error. It's almost as though 
they're turning the operating system into a beta.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#688978

CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>On 4/14/25 17:51, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 01:20:30 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:
>> 
>>> For a change, a Windows update screwup does little more (or so it
>>> looks) than leave a junk folder behind
>>> <https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/windows-update-drops-empty-intepub-folder-in-system-leaves-users-scratching-heads-after-april-update>.
>> 
>> Now Microsoft is saying that empty junk folder is key to some strange
>> new Windows security feature
>> <https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-warning-dont-delete-that-weird-inetpub-folder-already-did-heres-your-fix/>.
>> 
>> What happens if you’ve deleted it? Microsoft says don’t just recreate
>> it yourself: instead, you must go through the rigmarole of turning IIS
>> on and off again, to recreate it properly.
>> 
>> You may wonder what Microsoft is up to these days, that it has to
>> resort to such roundabout and baffling voodoo-black-magic measures all
>> in the name of “security”.
>> 
>> I expect some at Microsoft are wondering, too.
>
>In the past few days, I saw the article you just posted and another 
>asked people to ignore some 0xxxxxxx error. It's almost as though 
>they're turning the operating system into a beta.


M$ is a joke for serious people, it's useful to have a Winblows
license to run fresh hardware that Linux doesn't yet support, but that
time passed and I'm not looking back.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#688979

On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 20:41:07 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> It's almost as though [Microsoft are] turning the [Windows] operating
> system into a beta.

See my entire thread “Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues”.

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#688980

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 20:41:07 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> It's almost as though [Microsoft are] turning the [Windows] operating
>> system into a beta.
>
>See my entire thread “Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues”.


The first time I really got *into* Linux was in 2019, when Win10
turned into a beta test of what would become the 20H2 release, it was
ridiculous, you had a stellar release with 7, the foundation of modern
Winblows, then you had 8.x which was OK, 10 was fine at first, but
then BLAM 1809 started having these bugs that were just too much, I
quit IRC with the message "fuck win10" and installed Linux, not the
first time I'd ever *tried* it, but the first time I made it my OS for
any real length of time.  That led me back here, to COLA, and the rest
is history.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#688984

On 2025-04-15 00:20, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 20:41:07 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> It's almost as though [Microsoft are] turning the [Windows] operating
>> system into a beta.
> 
> See my entire thread “Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues”.

I'm trying to be as objective as possible in referring to Windows, but 
the reality is that there are significant problems with continuing to 
use it even if you're sold on their product(s). Anyone with an AMD 
laptop is not going to have a satisfactory experience as a result of the 
fTPM stuttering. Anyone who buys movies and TV shows or subscribes to a 
streaming service and intends to watch content on an external monitor is 
not likely to be happy that the monitor shuts off as a protection 
against piracy. If the constant updates taking a long time don't bother 
the user, they might be annoyed that these updates introduce new folders 
or bugs that they are asked to simply ignore. If all of the above isn't 
bothersome, the user might be annoyed that the system slows down or 
becomes unstable because the system files managed to corrupt on their 
own requiring an SFC or DISM repair. If nothing else, people might get 
annoyed that their personal photos and videos get locked out because of 
some 0-day the company managed not to protect against or because of bit 
rot. At some point, people need to admit that such things are no longer 
acceptable in 2025 and move on.

Eventually, the amount of compromises you need to make to use Windows 
outweighs the amount of sacrifices you make by moving away from it.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#688988

On Apr 15, 2025 at 8:35:53 AM EDT, "CrudeSausage" <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

> Eventually, the amount of compromises you need to make to use Windows
> outweighs the amount of sacrifices you make by moving away from it.

Which explains why Windows - which 25 years ago had 95% desktop share in the
U.S. - is now down
to 65%.  Macs are up to 23.5%. 

Linux, Chrome and Unknown make up the rest, with roughly 4% each. None of
which were even a blip (or in the case of Chrome, did not exist) 25 years ago.
 

The move away from Windows is real, and ongoing.  MS knows this, and is
probably putting less resources into Windows as a result. At least, it
certainly LOOKS that way. 

To be fair, there are obviously many more PCs in use today than 25 years ago.
 So in real numbers, there are many more Windows PCs in use today than 25
years ago.  But the point is, there are now several viable options other than
Windows. 

Which has never been true before.

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#688990

On 2025-04-15 11:24, Tyrone wrote:
> On Apr 15, 2025 at 8:35:53 AM EDT, "CrudeSausage" <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> 
>> Eventually, the amount of compromises you need to make to use Windows
>> outweighs the amount of sacrifices you make by moving away from it.
> 
> Which explains why Windows - which 25 years ago had 95% desktop share in the
> U.S. - is now down
> to 65%.  Macs are up to 23.5%.

I would say that Apple computers having a greater build quality than 
most manufacturers and the fact that Apple devices interoperate well 
with one another might have something to do with that.

> Linux, Chrome and Unknown make up the rest, with roughly 4% each. None of
> which were even a blip (or in the case of Chrome, did not exist) 25 years ago.

There was a very strong interest in Linux between 1998 and 2002, but a 
lot of the people who ended up trying it out didn't stick with it 
because it wasn't as intuitive as they were hoping for.

> The move away from Windows is real, and ongoing.  MS knows this, and is
> probably putting less resources into Windows as a result. At least, it
> certainly LOOKS that way.
> 
> To be fair, there are obviously many more PCs in use today than 25 years ago.
>   So in real numbers, there are many more Windows PCs in use today than 25
> years ago.  But the point is, there are now several viable options other than
> Windows.
> 
> Which has never been true before.

Linux, especially through Ubuntu and Mint, is much more of a option 
today than it used to be. However, machines comes with their own 
operating system and no matter how easy it is to switch to Linux, a lot 
of people find it complicated to do so. They would rather suffer with 
something that works poorly than try something that might work better. 
Only if Windows fails them in a miserable way will they be tempted to 
switch.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#688994

On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 11:56:58 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> There was a very strong interest in Linux between 1998 and 2002, but a
> lot of the people who ended up trying it out didn't stick with it
> because it wasn't as intuitive as they were hoping for.

It has matured a bit in 25 years.  Very few members of Gen Z have any 
knowledge of installing Linux from floppies. Or floppies, for that matter. 
Since Linux phones aren't really feasible they may never have heard of it.

Fedora 42 is out. Among other things they tweaked the emulator from the 
Asahi project and claim the ARM install can run i86 software. It would be 
interesting if they're better at it than Microsoft.

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#689002

On 4/15/25 13:56, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 11:56:58 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> There was a very strong interest in Linux between 1998 and 2002, but a
>> lot of the people who ended up trying it out didn't stick with it
>> because it wasn't as intuitive as they were hoping for.
> 
> It has matured a bit in 25 years.  Very few members of Gen Z have any
> knowledge of installing Linux from floppies. Or floppies, for that matter.
> Since Linux phones aren't really feasible they may never have heard of it.

I actually owned a Linux phone. When it stuttered in streaming content 
from the phone to my car's system through Bluetooth, I knew it had no 
chance. I'm not talking about Android either.

> Fedora 42 is out. Among other things they tweaked the emulator from the
> Asahi project and claim the ARM install can run i86 software. It would be
> interesting if they're better at it than Microsoft.

I liked Fedora, but it broke the NVIDIA driver all the time. That's why 
I'm sticking to Ubuntu on this machine and Linux Mint on my cheap 
MacBook Air. Both make it easy to install the proprietary drivers but 
also make it a part of the system, causing it to be less likely to 
break. Ubuntu 24.10, for now at least, has been quite stellar.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#689021

On 2025-04-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-04-15 00:20, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 20:41:07 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> 
>>> It's almost as though [Microsoft are] turning the [Windows] operating
>>> system into a beta.
>> 
>> See my entire thread “Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues”.
>
> I'm trying to be as objective as possible in referring to Windows, but 
> the reality is that there are significant problems with continuing to 
> use it even if you're sold on their product(s). Anyone with an AMD 
> laptop is not going to have a satisfactory experience as a result of the 
> fTPM stuttering. Anyone who buys movies and TV shows or subscribes to a 
> streaming service and intends to watch content on an external monitor is 
> not likely to be happy that the monitor shuts off as a protection 
> against piracy. If the constant updates taking a long time don't bother 
> the user, they might be annoyed that these updates introduce new folders 
> or bugs that they are asked to simply ignore. If all of the above isn't 
> bothersome, the user might be annoyed that the system slows down or 
> becomes unstable because the system files managed to corrupt on their 
> own requiring an SFC or DISM repair. If nothing else, people might get 
> annoyed that their personal photos and videos get locked out because of 
> some 0-day the company managed not to protect against or because of bit 
> rot. At some point, people need to admit that such things are no longer 
> acceptable in 2025 and move on.
>
> Eventually, the amount of compromises you need to make to use Windows 
> outweighs the amount of sacrifices you make by moving away from it.

And now it looks like Microsoft's Recall is back (after a backlash forced 
them to can it about a year ago). Supposedly yo have to "opt in" this time, 
but who trusts Microsoft to keep their word or not change the license 
agreement down the road?

https://arstechnica.com/security/2025/04/microsoft-is-putting-privacy-endangering-recall-back-into-windows-11/

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#689025

On 2025-04-16 08:40, RonB wrote:
> On 2025-04-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-04-15 00:20, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 20:41:07 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's almost as though [Microsoft are] turning the [Windows] operating
>>>> system into a beta.
>>>
>>> See my entire thread “Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues”.
>>
>> I'm trying to be as objective as possible in referring to Windows, but
>> the reality is that there are significant problems with continuing to
>> use it even if you're sold on their product(s). Anyone with an AMD
>> laptop is not going to have a satisfactory experience as a result of the
>> fTPM stuttering. Anyone who buys movies and TV shows or subscribes to a
>> streaming service and intends to watch content on an external monitor is
>> not likely to be happy that the monitor shuts off as a protection
>> against piracy. If the constant updates taking a long time don't bother
>> the user, they might be annoyed that these updates introduce new folders
>> or bugs that they are asked to simply ignore. If all of the above isn't
>> bothersome, the user might be annoyed that the system slows down or
>> becomes unstable because the system files managed to corrupt on their
>> own requiring an SFC or DISM repair. If nothing else, people might get
>> annoyed that their personal photos and videos get locked out because of
>> some 0-day the company managed not to protect against or because of bit
>> rot. At some point, people need to admit that such things are no longer
>> acceptable in 2025 and move on.
>>
>> Eventually, the amount of compromises you need to make to use Windows
>> outweighs the amount of sacrifices you make by moving away from it.
> 
> And now it looks like Microsoft's Recall is back (after a backlash forced
> them to can it about a year ago). Supposedly yo have to "opt in" this time,
> but who trusts Microsoft to keep their word or not change the license
> agreement down the road?
> 
> https://arstechnica.com/security/2025/04/microsoft-is-putting-privacy-endangering-recall-back-into-windows-11/

I can imagine Recall being offered on machines which bundle a processor 
specifically to handle AI demands. However, anyone who doesn't purchase 
such a computer shouldn't be forced to have it running on their machine. 
Either way though, I'm with you: I don't believe that Microsoft will 
keep it disabled by default. I am convinced that they would rather slow 
down the machines of those who don't have such a processor and extract 
more private data than respect the wishes of their users. If there were 
ever a time to consider a migration to Linux, this would be it. Both 
Apple and Microsoft have demonstrated that their data collection is a 
higher priority than our privacy.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#689062

On 2025-04-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-04-16 08:40, RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-04-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2025-04-15 00:20, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 20:41:07 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's almost as though [Microsoft are] turning the [Windows] operating
>>>>> system into a beta.
>>>>
>>>> See my entire thread “Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues”.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to be as objective as possible in referring to Windows, but
>>> the reality is that there are significant problems with continuing to
>>> use it even if you're sold on their product(s). Anyone with an AMD
>>> laptop is not going to have a satisfactory experience as a result of the
>>> fTPM stuttering. Anyone who buys movies and TV shows or subscribes to a
>>> streaming service and intends to watch content on an external monitor is
>>> not likely to be happy that the monitor shuts off as a protection
>>> against piracy. If the constant updates taking a long time don't bother
>>> the user, they might be annoyed that these updates introduce new folders
>>> or bugs that they are asked to simply ignore. If all of the above isn't
>>> bothersome, the user might be annoyed that the system slows down or
>>> becomes unstable because the system files managed to corrupt on their
>>> own requiring an SFC or DISM repair. If nothing else, people might get
>>> annoyed that their personal photos and videos get locked out because of
>>> some 0-day the company managed not to protect against or because of bit
>>> rot. At some point, people need to admit that such things are no longer
>>> acceptable in 2025 and move on.
>>>
>>> Eventually, the amount of compromises you need to make to use Windows
>>> outweighs the amount of sacrifices you make by moving away from it.
>> 
>> And now it looks like Microsoft's Recall is back (after a backlash forced
>> them to can it about a year ago). Supposedly yo have to "opt in" this time,
>> but who trusts Microsoft to keep their word or not change the license
>> agreement down the road?
>> 
>> https://arstechnica.com/security/2025/04/microsoft-is-putting-privacy-endangering-recall-back-into-windows-11/
>
> I can imagine Recall being offered on machines which bundle a processor 
> specifically to handle AI demands. However, anyone who doesn't purchase 
> such a computer shouldn't be forced to have it running on their machine. 
> Either way though, I'm with you: I don't believe that Microsoft will 
> keep it disabled by default. I am convinced that they would rather slow 
> down the machines of those who don't have such a processor and extract 
> more private data than respect the wishes of their users. If there were 
> ever a time to consider a migration to Linux, this would be it. Both 
> Apple and Microsoft have demonstrated that their data collection is a 
> higher priority than our privacy.

Big Brother needs to be fed more and more information. Can't have "thought 
crimes" going unpunished.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#689079

On 2025-04-17 03:51, RonB wrote:
> On 2025-04-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-04-16 08:40, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2025-04-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2025-04-15 00:20, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 20:41:07 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's almost as though [Microsoft are] turning the [Windows] operating
>>>>>> system into a beta.
>>>>>
>>>>> See my entire thread “Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues”.
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to be as objective as possible in referring to Windows, but
>>>> the reality is that there are significant problems with continuing to
>>>> use it even if you're sold on their product(s). Anyone with an AMD
>>>> laptop is not going to have a satisfactory experience as a result of the
>>>> fTPM stuttering. Anyone who buys movies and TV shows or subscribes to a
>>>> streaming service and intends to watch content on an external monitor is
>>>> not likely to be happy that the monitor shuts off as a protection
>>>> against piracy. If the constant updates taking a long time don't bother
>>>> the user, they might be annoyed that these updates introduce new folders
>>>> or bugs that they are asked to simply ignore. If all of the above isn't
>>>> bothersome, the user might be annoyed that the system slows down or
>>>> becomes unstable because the system files managed to corrupt on their
>>>> own requiring an SFC or DISM repair. If nothing else, people might get
>>>> annoyed that their personal photos and videos get locked out because of
>>>> some 0-day the company managed not to protect against or because of bit
>>>> rot. At some point, people need to admit that such things are no longer
>>>> acceptable in 2025 and move on.
>>>>
>>>> Eventually, the amount of compromises you need to make to use Windows
>>>> outweighs the amount of sacrifices you make by moving away from it.
>>>
>>> And now it looks like Microsoft's Recall is back (after a backlash forced
>>> them to can it about a year ago). Supposedly yo have to "opt in" this time,
>>> but who trusts Microsoft to keep their word or not change the license
>>> agreement down the road?
>>>
>>> https://arstechnica.com/security/2025/04/microsoft-is-putting-privacy-endangering-recall-back-into-windows-11/
>>
>> I can imagine Recall being offered on machines which bundle a processor
>> specifically to handle AI demands. However, anyone who doesn't purchase
>> such a computer shouldn't be forced to have it running on their machine.
>> Either way though, I'm with you: I don't believe that Microsoft will
>> keep it disabled by default. I am convinced that they would rather slow
>> down the machines of those who don't have such a processor and extract
>> more private data than respect the wishes of their users. If there were
>> ever a time to consider a migration to Linux, this would be it. Both
>> Apple and Microsoft have demonstrated that their data collection is a
>> higher priority than our privacy.
> 
> Big Brother needs to be fed more and more information. Can't have "thought
> crimes" going unpunished.

The worst part of this is that they will insist that our data, whether 
personal documents, photos or browsing history, be stored on their 
cloud. Meanwhile, to gather and keep that information, they will need to 
build humongous facilities necessitating their own power plants. With 
each nuclear facility they will build to accomplish that, they will only 
make their nations weaker since there will suddenly be so many more 
vulnerabilities for a foreign nation to target. To say the least, this 
won't end well. I can only hope that the people will rise up and reject 
this tyranny before any of that happens, but I have no faith in the 
people's ability to see obstacles three feet ahead of them.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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On 2025-04-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-04-17 03:51, RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-04-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2025-04-16 08:40, RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2025-04-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-04-15 00:20, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 20:41:07 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's almost as though [Microsoft are] turning the [Windows] operating
>>>>>>> system into a beta.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See my entire thread “Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues”.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm trying to be as objective as possible in referring to Windows, but
>>>>> the reality is that there are significant problems with continuing to
>>>>> use it even if you're sold on their product(s). Anyone with an AMD
>>>>> laptop is not going to have a satisfactory experience as a result of the
>>>>> fTPM stuttering. Anyone who buys movies and TV shows or subscribes to a
>>>>> streaming service and intends to watch content on an external monitor is
>>>>> not likely to be happy that the monitor shuts off as a protection
>>>>> against piracy. If the constant updates taking a long time don't bother
>>>>> the user, they might be annoyed that these updates introduce new folders
>>>>> or bugs that they are asked to simply ignore. If all of the above isn't
>>>>> bothersome, the user might be annoyed that the system slows down or
>>>>> becomes unstable because the system files managed to corrupt on their
>>>>> own requiring an SFC or DISM repair. If nothing else, people might get
>>>>> annoyed that their personal photos and videos get locked out because of
>>>>> some 0-day the company managed not to protect against or because of bit
>>>>> rot. At some point, people need to admit that such things are no longer
>>>>> acceptable in 2025 and move on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eventually, the amount of compromises you need to make to use Windows
>>>>> outweighs the amount of sacrifices you make by moving away from it.
>>>>
>>>> And now it looks like Microsoft's Recall is back (after a backlash forced
>>>> them to can it about a year ago). Supposedly yo have to "opt in" this time,
>>>> but who trusts Microsoft to keep their word or not change the license
>>>> agreement down the road?
>>>>
>>>> https://arstechnica.com/security/2025/04/microsoft-is-putting-privacy-endangering-recall-back-into-windows-11/
>>>
>>> I can imagine Recall being offered on machines which bundle a processor
>>> specifically to handle AI demands. However, anyone who doesn't purchase
>>> such a computer shouldn't be forced to have it running on their machine.
>>> Either way though, I'm with you: I don't believe that Microsoft will
>>> keep it disabled by default. I am convinced that they would rather slow
>>> down the machines of those who don't have such a processor and extract
>>> more private data than respect the wishes of their users. If there were
>>> ever a time to consider a migration to Linux, this would be it. Both
>>> Apple and Microsoft have demonstrated that their data collection is a
>>> higher priority than our privacy.
>> 
>> Big Brother needs to be fed more and more information. Can't have "thought
>> crimes" going unpunished.
>
> The worst part of this is that they will insist that our data, whether 
> personal documents, photos or browsing history, be stored on their 
> cloud. Meanwhile, to gather and keep that information, they will need to 
> build humongous facilities necessitating their own power plants. With 
> each nuclear facility they will build to accomplish that, they will only 
> make their nations weaker since there will suddenly be so many more 
> vulnerabilities for a foreign nation to target. To say the least, this 
> won't end well. I can only hope that the people will rise up and reject 
> this tyranny before any of that happens, but I have no faith in the 
> people's ability to see obstacles three feet ahead of them.

As far as I can, I am rejecting it. I eschew AI and refuse to store anything 
important in any cloud. (I do upload some files so others can download them, 
like screenshots or short screencasts but these are not important files to 
me.) 

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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